Talk:The twelve pillars of wisdom

What's a good Category for this? Financial Planning? CyberBob 17:00, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

This page is also a dead-end (no link to other wiki pages) and an orphan (no links from other pages to it), so once we figure out where it fits we should link to/from it. CyberBob 17:03, 9 June 2008 (EDT)


 * I put it in the "Book Reviews" category. It's not a perfect fit, but I think it's close enough, at least for now. Ken Schwartz 18:07, 9 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Book Reviews category? Hmmm, didn't even consider that one. In fact, I only put the Bookbox on the right-hand side to try and make clear where the twelve pillars originated, and to somehow make this page seem less like a big text-grab from the book. Maybe mikenz can flesh it out into a real review, or at least link it to an actual review of the book. CyberBob 18:18, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Bob, you've raised two issues here:
 * Is this article appropriate for the "Book Reviews" category? I don't know, but "Book Reviews" already has "Meet the Bogleheads published authors in finance" as a subcategory! (As an aside, I've proposed on that category's talk page changing the name to the more formal "Bogleheads Authors.")
 * The text grab: As you commented, this article is nothing more than an extended quotation from a copyrighted book. I'm sure Bogle would happily grant his permission if we asked, since he doubtlessly desires as wide a dissemination of his 12 Pillars as possible. I doubt it's even worth wasting his time with an inquiry. However, we do need to keep copyright issues in our minds. Ken Schwartz 18:28, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

I think there is too much text under each pillar. Listing the 12 pillars is OK but more copying and pasting doesn't look like "fair use" to me. The copyright of the book actually belongs to Richard D. Irwin, Inc. Used copies of Bogle on Mutual Funds sell for under $5 including shipping. Anybody interested in details of the 12 pillars should just buy the book or get the book from a library. Tfb 21:05, 9 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Good point, tfb. Perhaps Bogle's permission (explicit or implicit) isn't all we need. Ken Schwartz 22:44, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

I've revamped the category structure in this corner of the wiki, and I've placed this article in "Books and Authors." Ken Schwartz 23:54, 9 June 2008 (EDT)