Talk:John C. Bogle articles and speeches

Additional links to speeches that appeared on the discontinued Bogle Financial Center site, along with additional links.

Collapsible content guidance from Wikipedia's MOS
Wikipedia's Manual of Style (MOS) offers guidance on Scrolling lists and collapsible content, which states: "collapsible templates that toggle text display between hide and show, can interfere with readers' ability to access our content ...

When such features are used, take care that the content will still be accessible on devices that do not support JavaScript or CSS ... Mobile ability to access the content in question is easy to test with the 'Mobile view' link at the bottom of each page." --Peculiar Investor 13:21, 15 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Checked in Mobile; it's fine. More relevantly though, from the same MOS section: "Collapsible templates should not conceal article content by default upon page loading. This includes reference lists, tables and lists of article content, image galleries, and image captions."
 * I've removed "mw-collapsed" from CSS styles. --TedSwippet 15:17, 15 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I was concerned that the length of the Speeches table would take too long to scroll through on a mobile device. If the amount of scrolling is not acceptable, then consider collapsing the table.--LadyGeek 15:45, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Further guidance from Wikipedia that probably applies to this article is Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists of works. --Peculiar Investor 15:50, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * One more thought. How about splitting into multiple articles, i.e. List of John C. Bogle speeches, List of John C. Bogle academic papers and articles, List of John C. Bogle op-eds and possibly List of John C. Bogle books. They could cross-reference (See also section) to each other. --Peculiar Investor 16:09, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Being bold. ✅ --Peculiar Investor 17:06, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks to TedSwippet for point out the article title sentence case issue. --Peculiar Investor 18:07, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

What should happen to this article?
Now that the content has been split out into the List of John C. Bogle speeches, List of John C. Bogle academic papers and articles and List of John C. Bogle op-eds I am struggling to figure out how to restructure this article. Anyone have thoughts? Help! --Peculiar Investor 18:49, 15 February 2023 (UTC)


 * (I was responding to your prior comments just before you added this section (edit conflict). Here's my answer. I suggest the 2nd solution.
 * The Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists of works guidance says to have a separate page from the author. This page is a list of articles and speeches by John Bogle which meets that requirement.
 * Are the new pages necessary? Except for the books page, you now have duplicate content in each of the "List of..." page's introduction and tables which were copied from this page.
 * First solution - You can replace the "List of..." pages with redirects to the appropriate section on this page.
 * Second solution (preferred) - Link to the "List of..." pages from here. Those tables need to be stored in one location. It will also be more clear with the updated navigation template (which includes the books). The introduction will need to be either a template -or- a transclusion from this page. --LadyGeek 19:08, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I do not see the need to store everything in once place. From my perspective as it stands now this article is just too long and unwieldy to be of use to anyone. I am however extra cautious with anything related to Mr. Bogle. --Peculiar Investor 19:17, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ Caution is always good. As the person who created the spreadsheet and tables (from prior work), I have confidence in managing these pages. I have replaced the tables here with Main article in each section. Additionally, I have transcluded the introductory text to the "List of..." pages so everything is in one spot. It's not important where, just that content needs to come from a single source. For example, I just updated the spreadsheet link. I only need to do that once.
 * I should also mention that I intentionally did not include this page in Template:John C. Bogle. This page has become superfluous. Due to coverage of multiple pages, it's not possible to replace it with a redirect. I consider it somewhat of a disambiguation page. --LadyGeek 01:45, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

In case any other editors are wondering, LadyGeek has applied some partial transclusion "tricks" to implement how part of the lead section gets transcluded into the List of John C. Bogle ... articles. --Peculiar Investor 01:56, 16 February 2023 (UTC)