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automobile insurance woes....

Post by greenspam » Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:22 am

just got my bill from GEICO for next 6 months of insurance coverage...

went from about 2K last cycle to 5.5k for next 6 month cycle !!!

details: NJ, 3 vehicles; 4 drivers (me, wife, 2 kids: 19, 22 yo)

i called GEICO and they said we are no longer getting the 'preferred' customer rate due to 2 accidents my daughter had over the last several years. one accident was her fault, the other wasn't.... and she did get a ticket with 3 pts...

but c'mon, an INCREASE of about 175% ???? Ridiculous. I do not want to pay 11K for car insurance next year !!!

QUESTIONS:

1. Has anyone had a similar experience and can offer advice ?

2. Does anyone know if i can just get a separate policy for the 1 vehicle which my kids share, and remove them from the policy for the other 2 vehicles ?

3. Any suggestions on a better company to go with ??? I mean, Warren B. is trying to rip me off here !!!

thanx in advance for any and all guidance,
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Try Progressive Insurance if You Can Get It In NJ

Post by tonyd » Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:24 pm

I live in Texas and had Geico auto insurance for 16 years. They kept raising my rates. My son switched to Progressive Insurance and I thought I would get a quote. Progressive was $300 cheaper every 6 months. I asked Geico if they would match Progressive's quote - They Said NO. I switched to Progressive. Worth a try. Hope it all works out.

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Post by CyberBob » Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:38 pm

I had Geico back in '93-'95. I got a speeding ticket (the only one I've ever had), and Geico dropped me like a hot potato. Well, the 'good' Geico anyway. I got a letter a few days later that said the 'risky-driver' division of Geico would take me at rates more than double what I was paying.

I just went to Allstate and they gave me the same insurance I had at Geico at a price that was actually lower than the 'good' Geico rate.

Two years after that, I switched to Progressive and lowered my rates about another 40%.

Now I'm back at Allstate and am actually paying less than I was 15 years ago.

greenspam wrote:Warren B. is trying to rip me off here !!!

That's what it seemed like to me as well after I actually went price-shopping.

Bob

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Post by MWCA » Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:49 pm

I have AAA for the wife and I. 2 vehicles. I priced Geico for the heck of it. Their cheapest rate in CA vs our AAA policy was around 200 to 300 dollars more.

I guess those accidents really jack up the rate :(

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Post by FISH » Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:12 pm

Be aware that insurance is a state regulated product, so each piece of advice you recieve may or not be applicable to you and your family. That being said, I would suggest you look at the type of vehicles you are insuring for your kids. Physical damage premiums (collision and comprehensive) are extremely high for young drivers. (Statistically they just have more accidents while they learn to become safe drivers.) If you can insure them on vehicles that don't need physical damage, the savings can sometimes be significant. Best of luck.

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thanx for advice and an update...

Post by greenspam » Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:29 pm

thanx all..

i just got an online quote from Progressive for about $1,800 for 6 months.

i guess warren b. has lost another customer....
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Post by gunn_show » Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:29 pm

Sorry Greenspam, I feel your pain, but do not deny you are getting what you deserve (so to speak)

You have a young, female, ticket/accident prone driver, and you live in New Jersey, one of the most difficult states to insure vehicles in the entire USA. There are VERY few insurers that do business any more in NJ. I am sure you are aware of that fact. So combine a difficult insurance market with a bad young driver = $$$$ rates.


Best advice: get your daughter a beater car that does not need comp+coll, only liability. This will chop the rate down A LOT. See if you can get them insured on their own policy. This may or may not be cheaper.
Reason: they get discounts for being on your policy (multi-car discount) and probably persistence discount (# of years insured with Geico)

I would do some immediate price shopping. I worked at Geico for a year, and can attest to the fact that their rating systems really only favor perfect drivers with top rated careers, degrees, or associations that get discounts. Anyone not in those categories does not get the top program, they get the indemnity or casualty rates. If you have young drivers with points, you will be in the casualty rate category for a long time.

Get out now.

If you can keep your vehicles and spin them off to another company, great. Personally if I could have Geico for my insurance, I would. They are a top notch 24/7 service that will be there for you. But again, that is if you are lucky in fall into the Geico preferred rates. Otherwise, get the heck out.
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Re: thanx for advice and an update...

Post by gunn_show » Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:34 pm

greenspam wrote:thanx all..

i just got an online quote from Progressive for about $1,800 for 6 months.

i guess warren b. has lost another customer....


I would call Progressive and give them the VIN #'s and DL's to verify the rate, with the points your daughter has. Online quote may not be accurate. But I am sure it will be much better than Geico no matter what.
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Post by Opponent Process » Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:48 pm

stupid question:

why are you paying for your adult childrens' auto insurance?

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Post by gunn_show » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:09 pm

probably still in college .. my folks kept me on the family policy until I graduated.
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more info...

Post by greenspam » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:21 pm

why pay for the kids insurance ? as tommygunn suggested,

yes, the kids are still in local community college, and they really only share 1 car for school and their part-time jobs. i figure as long as they are students, i will help them out as much as possible... and they are very aware that any accidents/tickets cause rate increases, and that someday soon they will be purchasing their own vehicles and insurance policies.

in my Progressive quote i elected to EXCLUDE both kids from comp/collision for my vehicle, which they have never and will never, ever, ever drive (my 2002 midnight blue miata).

also, Progressive apparently uses credit scores in their calculations, and they said mine was in the 86th percentile, so that was good newz...

i must admit i was so upset when i got this geico bill, even though "its only money", the thought of throwing an extra 7k per annum down the toilet did not sit well.

i will call progressive and give them vin #s and dl #s as tommygun suggested. thanx very much for all the help... especially tg
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Suggestion:

Post by dm200 » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:21 pm

Look into getting a separate policy for your daughter. Title a car in her name, and get a policy on her car only. That might be better for you. I don't know that, but check it out.

IF you had done this BEFORE she had the accidents, then (I think) it would have gone against her policy and not on yours.

The answers may depend on your state.

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Post by stratton » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:28 pm

My dad was Driver Education teacher. The parents gave put me on their autos. If I did anything that raised the insurance rates *I* had to pay the extra. Grades go down voiding the grade discount; I pay. Get a ticket or in an accident, I pay. No pay, no drive. I didn't have any problems. When you're making minimum wage and paying university tuition free auto insurance is like getting paid to do homework.

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How is your FICO credit score

Post by tomd37 » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:51 pm

Greenspam,

While everything else is being discussed, how is your FICO credit score? A lower score can affect insurance rates as I understand it.
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Re: Suggestion:

Post by magellan » Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:31 pm

dm200 wrote:Look into getting a separate policy for your daughter. Title a car in her name, and get a policy on her car only.

Any legal experts on the board care to comment on this?

From my limited understanding of the law, I think that the owner of a vehicle often shares liability if their vehicle causes harm or damage, regardless of who's driving.

You never think of the worst happening, but if it did, putting the car in the (adult) kids' names could save the parents from financial ruin.

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Re: more info...

Post by jeffyscott » Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:21 am

greenspam wrote:i figure as long as they are students, i will help them out as much as possible... and they are very aware that any accidents/tickets cause rate increases, and that someday soon they will be purchasing their own vehicles and insurance policies.


My policy on that, for my sons that are living at home and attending tech school, is parents will pay for base insurance, but surcharges for accidents/tickets are their responsibility.

For my daughter who chose to go away to college keep a car, full insurance cost was supposed to be her responsibility, as she could have lived on campus and not had a car.
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Greenspam, I am in a similiar situation as you as I have

Post by Indexfan » Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:28 am

2 teenage drivers and 4 cars on my USAA auto policy. Daughter 17 and Son 19. Just received my policy renewal from USAA and my 6 month premium is $2496.00 as we have no accidents/tickets for our 4 drivers on policy. USAA is for miltary only as I'm retired military so be aware of the qualifications for USAA insurance. We pay $416.00 per month for our auto insurance.

When my kids got their license, I told them any at fault accidents/tickets will cause them to lose their nice cars and use public transportation, bus.
We can only help our children so much as they must accept responsibility for poor driving habits. Driving is a privilage not a right and poor drivers will always pay higher insurance rates.

The 4 cars we have on our policy are a 01 Focus Son,99 Toyota Rav Wife,
99 VW Jetta me, 06 Honda Accord Daughter. I ensured all of our vehicles had 4 cylinder engines as gas isn't getting any cheaper.

Our older cars only have liability and comprehensive with 1K deductable.
The Honda is fully insured with $500 deductables for Coll and comp.

My Daughter is very responsible and works 25 hours a week and is a Senior in HS. She pays her own auto insurance and a small car payment.
We did help her purchase her car with a big DP to ensure the monthly payment was affordable for her.

Young auto drivers are high risk and very expensive to insure. In your case I would recommend an older family sedan with liability only coverage for your Daughter. Ford Taurus, Buick Century or a Toyota Camary. Title car in her name. Shop around and look forward to the day the kids are 25 and off your policy.

Good Luck........Index Fan

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Greenspam I forgot to mention I live in the

Post by Indexfan » Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:44 am

Sacramento, CA area


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Re: Suggestion:

Post by gunn_show » Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:07 pm

dm200 wrote:Look into getting a separate policy for your daughter. Title a car in her name, and get a policy on her car only. That might be better for you. I don't know that, but check it out.

IF you had done this BEFORE she had the accidents, then (I think) it would have gone against her policy and not on yours.

The answers may depend on your state.

dan


If the OP is paying for the insurance anyway, it is more expensive to put the daughter on her own policy. She loses multi car, multi driver, experience discounts from having other drivers, cars, and father's credit score all on one policy.

In this case, the OP did the best he could do, seeing that he is keeping everyone on one policy, and with two young drivers sharing one car.

Best he could have done is shopped around to save money, and he did that.
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