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This forum started with a US focus. Today, we reach world-wide and have many posts that are outside the US. The current forum layout is difficult to use - there is no clear separation between US and non-US investors.

In addition to long-standing member requests for a non-US forum, we are also receiving requests to support websites which follow the Bogleheads investment philosophy.

We have listened. Please look at the Board index, as we have reorganized the layout to accommodate non-US investors.

First, we have placed forums into top-level categories.
  • US Investors
  • Non-US Investors
  • Wiki
  • Community
Clicking on a category will display posts (active topics) from those forums. For example: If you only want to see US topics, click on the US Investors category. To see only Non-US topics, click on the Non-US investors category.

We have several new forums. First is the "Non-US" investing forum. Under the Non-US forum are subforums for Spain and the United Arab Emirates. We have a large number of UAE members looking for a forum.

View the "Non-US Investing" forum to see the Spain and United Arab Emirates subforums. In addition to these subforums, we have links to our sister Canadian forum and our to new Spanish forum.

Welcome to ¡¡ Bogleheads® España !! (en español) :beer

Under "Wiki" we have added a link to our sister Canadian wiki.

Under "Community", we split the local chapters forum into US and non-US chapter subforums.

The moderators will move threads to the new Non-US investing and local chapters forums. Allow some time for us to move the threads. If anyone wants a thread moved, report the post using the "!" in the top-right corner of the post. One of the reasons is "Wrong forum".
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I tend to start with the New Posts ....

Will I see New Posts across forums or just based on my personal geography (e.g.USA)?

Thanks for the work and thinking that went into the change. Should be interesting to see how it works.

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I think Personal Consumer Issues Forum will get less posts/threads/eyeballs because it is on the bottom below the Wiki Forums.
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Well done LadyGeek and crew!
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WoodSpinner wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:11 pm I tend to start with the New Posts ....

Will I see New Posts across forums or just based on my personal geography (e.g.USA)?

Thanks for the work and thinking that went into the change. Should be interesting to see how it works.

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You can see new posts across all forums by using the Active topics under the "Quick links" menu in the top-left corner of the page. This feature has always worked like that.
denovo wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:12 pm I think Personal Consumer Issues Forum will get less posts/threads/eyeballs because it is on the bottom below the Wiki Forums.
We are primarily an investing site. The consumer issues forum is intended to introduce members to investing. Investing is not easy. The hope was that a member would become comfortable posting in the consumer forum, then gather enough courage to ask about investing.
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Shackleton wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:17 pm Well done LadyGeek and crew!
I also want to thank the members who provided feedback during our tests of the new layout.
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Calling out the Wiki as a line item is a really good idea!
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WoodSpinner wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:11 pm I tend to start with the New Posts ....

Will I see New Posts across forums or just based on my personal geography (e.g.USA)?

Thanks for the work and thinking that went into the change. Should be interesting to see how it works.

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I also use the "new posts" as my "bogle" home page.

Great work!
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dbr wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:22 pm Calling out the Wiki as a line item is a really good idea!
Thanks!

The description has been modified for non-US investors. The last link in the description is: Non-US domiciles.
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The keen eyed observer might also note the little "-" sign at the right edge of each forum category. That's because it allows users to collapse and minimise forum categories with a simple click. Very useful when viewing the Board index page and some of the categories aren't of interest to you. Just click and collapse the whole category structure.

For example, the Wiki category, look at the far right for the "-" sign, click it and the whole category disappears.
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Good improvement.
Thanks for the work on this.
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Love it, great work!
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Great improvements.
One quibble.
The forum intended for non-US investors is titled non-US investing?
In my opinion that seems to be a potential source of confusion going forward.
LadyGeek wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:53 pm This forum started with a US focus. Today, we reach world-wide and have many posts that are outside the US. The current forum layout is difficult to use - there is no clear separation between US and non-US investors.

In addition to long-standing member requests for a non-US forum, we are also receiving requests to support websites which follow the Bogleheads investment philosophy.

We have listened. Please look at the Board index, as we have reorganized the layout to accommodate non-US investors.
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will be interesting to browse the non-US area to see how other countries deal w/ taxes etc.

Strange question- what 'international' holdings do non-US investors hold? US holdings? :happy
Seems kinda odd to think about that as a US citizen, as its backwards.
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F150HD wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:09 am will be interesting to browse the non-US area to see how other countries deal w/ taxes etc.

Strange question- what 'international' holdings do non-US investors hold? US holdings? :happy
Seems kinda odd to think about that as a US citizen, as its backwards.
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F150HD wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:09 am will be interesting to browse the non-US area to see how other countries deal w/ taxes etc.

Strange question- what 'international' holdings do non-US investors hold? US holdings? :happy
Seems kinda odd to think about that as a US citizen, as its backwards.
longleaf wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:10 am Ideally, VT. No bias.
1. There is actually a thread running on Optimal equity home bias for non-U.S. investors.
2. Whatever the chosen AA, you then need to choose the domicile of your funds. Depending on the investors situation, US domiciled funds may not be the best choice.


From the wiki page on Non-US_investor's_guide_to_navigating_US_tax_traps
US tax laws contain multiple traps for unwary non-US investors, a category that includes both US nonresident aliens and US citizens living outside the US. In the worst cases they can lead to outcomes such as US income tax rates of 100% on gains, loss of 40% of total assets to US estate taxes, and huge fines for non-disclosure of assets.
We have a wiki page that summarises the recommended ETF domicile that US nonresident aliens might use, based on their own country of residence and domicile.

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longleaf wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:10 amIdeally, VT. No bias.
VT would be a bad choice for a lot of US non-resident aliens. The Ireland domiciled equivalent, VWRD, is far better for most. Same assets, but unlike VT it offers full insulation from the US's objectionable taxes on investments held by non-resident aliens.
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Pardon my lack of knowledge on taxes
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longleaf wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:43 am Pardon my lack of knowledge on taxes
No worries! Few US investors would even suspect that the US has such confiscatory tax rules for non-resident aliens investing into US domiciled funds and ETFs.

It's just that I didn't want to leave your comment in place as it stood, to avoid possibly misdirecting future readers.
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Good job!

Many "Thanks" to you and all those who make the wheels go 'round on this forum....including posters and repliers.

Jack B. certainly must have been very proud of this forum.

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The addition of a "forum filter" to allow people who have no interest in, or expertise in, non-US holdings or holdings by non-US residents, would seem to be a good enhancement going forward.

I click on New Posts all the time. Now I have to carefully look and see if any of them are in the non-US section. Not seeing any of those would be my preference, perhaps others. Something to consider, maybe.
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LadyGeek wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:53 pm Welcome to ¡¡ Bogleheads® España !! (en español) :beer
:beer ¡Muchas gracias! Esto me hace feliz. Ya me inscribí.
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RickBoglehead wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:53 am The addition of a "forum filter" to allow people who have no interest in, or expertise in, non-US holdings or holdings by non-US residents, would seem to be a good enhancement going forward.

I click on New Posts all the time. Now I have to carefully look and see if any of them are in the non-US section. Not seeing any of those would be my preference, perhaps others. Something to consider, maybe.
you mean here? (pic below) I land here all the time and (if this is what you mean) I agree that not having non-US mixed in here would be a good idea.

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F150HD wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:14 am
RickBoglehead wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:53 am The addition of a "forum filter" to allow people who have no interest in, or expertise in, non-US holdings or holdings by non-US residents, would seem to be a good enhancement going forward.

I click on New Posts all the time. Now I have to carefully look and see if any of them are in the non-US section. Not seeing any of those would be my preference, perhaps others. Something to consider, maybe.
you mean here? (pic below) I land here all the time and (if this is what you mean) I agree that not having non-US mixed in here would be a good idea.
No, I mean when I click on Quick Links, then New Posts, at the top of the forum. But I would think that something in the forum settings that allows me to not see entire sections in any link would be preferable.
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A grand tip o' the hat to forum administrators, moderators, and owners. We pay nothing for this site, yet these folks work tirelessly toward improvement, even if the changes mean an increased ongoing workload for them. :beer
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RickBoglehead wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:18 am No, I mean when I click on Quick Links, then New Posts, at the top of the forum. But I would think that something in the forum settings that allows me to not see entire sections in any link would be preferable.
I see. Comparing side by side, that is the exact same list as what I referred to, just a diff path to it apparently. I loaded each of those (#1 #2) simultaneously and they were each the same set of current links.
Sounds like we're talking about the same thing then, and I still agree :thumbsup
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A nit: the home page view=2 does not group the new forums correctly.
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Cool idea :sharebeer
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RickBoglehead wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:18 am [No, I mean when I click on Quick Links, then New Posts, at the top of the forum. But I would think that something in the forum settings that allows me to not see entire sections in any link would be preferable.
You want to 'filter out' threads like this, correct? Is/was there a setting for that currently? (even before the upgrade?)

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At least the title says South Africa so its easier to skip, but without that one wouldn't know until reading it.
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F150HD wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:25 pm
RickBoglehead wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:18 am [No, I mean when I click on Quick Links, then New Posts, at the top of the forum. But I would think that something in the forum settings that allows me to not see entire sections in any link would be preferable.
You want to 'filter out' threads like this, correct? Is/was there a setting for that currently? (even before the upgrade?)

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At least the title says South Africa so its easier to skip, but without that one wouldn't know until reading it.
It's in the Non-US section, so I don't even want to read the title, simply filter out all the non-US sections of the forum. Otherwise, I could see replying to a thread without catching that it's a non-US-specific question, and giving wrong info.
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Oicuryy wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:44 am A nit: the home page view=2 does not group the new forums correctly.
https://www.bogleheads.org/index.php?view=2&ndays=1

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Nit noted, thanks.

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RickBoglehead wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:34 pm
F150HD wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:25 pm
RickBoglehead wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:18 am [No, I mean when I click on Quick Links, then New Posts, at the top of the forum. But I would think that something in the forum settings that allows me to not see entire sections in any link would be preferable.
You want to 'filter out' threads like this, correct? Is/was there a setting for that currently? (even before the upgrade?)

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At least the title says South Africa so its easier to skip, but without that one wouldn't know until reading it.
It's in the Non-US section, so I don't even want to read the title, simply filter out all the non-US sections of the forum. Otherwise, I could see replying to a thread without catching that it's a non-US-specific question, and giving wrong info.
To view US-only threads, click on the US Investors category under the Board index.
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It's beautiful and thoughtfully designed. Thanks to all who made this possible.
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LadyGeek wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:21 pm
RickBoglehead wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:34 pm
F150HD wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:25 pm
RickBoglehead wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:18 am [No, I mean when I click on Quick Links, then New Posts, at the top of the forum. But I would think that something in the forum settings that allows me to not see entire sections in any link would be preferable.
You want to 'filter out' threads like this, correct? Is/was there a setting for that currently? (even before the upgrade?)

Image

At least the title says South Africa so its easier to skip, but without that one wouldn't know until reading it.
It's in the Non-US section, so I don't even want to read the title, simply filter out all the non-US sections of the forum. Otherwise, I could see replying to a thread without catching that it's a non-US-specific question, and giving wrong info.
To view US-only threads, click on the US Investors category under the Board index.
Thanks, but that shows all threads. I want to see NEW posts, US only.
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I would like to see Unread Posts, US only. Possible? My current bookmark is:
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RickBoglehead - You have a valid point. The way to do this cleanly is to create a few user-defined groups, such as "US Only" or "Non-US Only", which will appear in your User Control Panel (Usergroups). You join whichever group who's posts you want to see (or not). Then, everything you view will be what you want.

That requires planning and testing, which must be done carefully. I don't have a time frame when this will happen, but it's on our list of things to do.

(This will also help with TimeRunner's request.)
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Is my observation and assumption correct that this new layout does not change the bogleheads.org view? Non US posts, topics, etc. are not distinguished?
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CABob wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:53 pm Is my observation and assumption correct that this new layout does not change the bogleheads.org view? Non US posts, topics, etc. are not distinguished?
Yes, the non-US posts et al will appear in the bogleheads.org. view as they have heretofore done. However, they will be tagged with their new forum and subforum designations.

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LadyGeek wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:34 pm RickBoglehead - You have a valid point. The way to do this cleanly is to create a few user-defined groups, such as "US Only" or "Non-US Only", which will appear in your User Control Panel (Usergroups). You join whichever group who's posts you want to see (or not). Then, everything you view will be what you want.

That requires planning and testing, which must be done carefully. I don't have a time frame when this will happen, but it's on our list of things to do.

(This will also help with TimeRunner's request.)
Exactly!

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Thanks for the changes. I hope manual classification of ALL posts into US and non-US does not take up too much of moderator time. What separates this forum from the rest is high quality of moderatorship and I hope that does not get diluted.
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Great forum, but this place would gain a lot by moving to a more modern software platform like xenforo. Real-time notifications, the ability to "like" posts, @ mentions, and much, much more would increase user engagement and, most of all, let users know when their posts are appreciated.
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LadyGeek wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:18 pm
Oicuryy wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:44 am A nit: the home page view=2 does not group the new forums correctly.
https://www.bogleheads.org/index.php?view=2&ndays=1

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Nit noted, thanks.

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As noted earlier, anyone who would like a thread moved to a new forum (Non-US investing, Spain, UEA, Non-US local chapters), please report the post using the "!" in the top-right corner of the post. One of the reasons is "Wrong forum".

Many thanks to the members who are doing just that. So far, 407 topics have been moved to the non-US investing forum.
Nit fixed, thanks.
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I just joined forum, have been reading a few months and really enjoy.

With the new layout, the font has become much smaller than it was before and I am having difficulty reading on my tablets/phone. I looked but could not find a preference or setting to make it bigger again.

Can anybody tell me if there is a setting within the forum that will make the text font bigger? Thanks!
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GracoEngineer wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:13 pm Can anybody tell me if there is a setting within the forum that will make the text font bigger? Thanks!
Ctrl-+ (control plus) or View->zoom->zoom in works for me.
It's in the browser, so may depend on which browser you use.
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For the non-US section: can you provide prefixes for the subject lines? I know other boards that offer this (e.g. [Germany], [China], [Europe], [Other]...) and you can use them as a filter within this section.

Some users already included it in their subject lines but if they are included in the software, filtering would be amazing.
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Re: Welcome to the new forum layout

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We did think about that, but the phpBB software modification which does that is quite limited.

First - it only allows one prefix, which has to be managed by a site administrator (me). Next, how many countries are needed? Quite a few. Then, what do you do with ex-pats, who cover more than one country? Also, those topic prefixes are converted to text - they can't be filtered by prefix.

The better solution would use tags, but the one modification for that is unsupported, buggy, and is far too risky to use in a live environment.

So, the next best thing to do is to manually edit your topic title and insert the prefixes yourself. It will always work and you can search for [prefix] using the built-in or google search engines.

Tip: You can search for text in a topic's title by going to the built-in search engine (the "gear" in the top-right corner of the page, next to the google box), then enter:

Search for keywords: [prefix]
Search within: Topic titles only <--- will look at titles only

That's the best we can do.
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Re: Welcome to the new forum layout

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Good to have a division between the US and international. Nationalism lives on :)

Any consideration to change to Xenforo?
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Not unless there's a driving need to change software. Consider that phpBB is open-source (free!) and regarded as a worthy competitor to paid products (Xenforo is not free).

There are a lot more important things to consider, namely database compatibility and customizations, that would impact a decision to change. Missing a feature, such as tagging, is low on this list.

We're not there by a long-shot, phpBB works just fine.
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Re: Welcome to the new forum layout

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Epsilon Delta wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:49 pm
GracoEngineer wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:13 pm Can anybody tell me if there is a setting within the forum that will make the text font bigger? Thanks!
Ctrl-+ (control plus) or View->zoom->zoom in works for me.
It's in the browser, so may depend on which browser you use.
I don't think that works for any mobile browser. I wish it would, as there are some sites when viewed on my iPad mini that have tiny fonts. You can pinch-spread, but that expands the whole window and doesn't reflow the text like a true font increase.
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