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hunoraut wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 7:32 am
Mrbogleheads wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:32 am I don't understand the analogy
There are many things in life I don't need, but I still enjoy, even if not every day, or while robbing a bank.
Having massive accelerative power is one of thing.

You don't need that performance. That's good, there's even more products that will fulfill your requirements.
I don't need anything that does not provide value
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hunoraut wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2025 7:14 amRecently they've launched fully driverless, unsupervised fsd for the cars literally out of the factory onto the loading docks.
Presumably these fully driverless vehicles aren't the new 2025 Model Y as those aren't being made in Fremont yet, but potentially these new Ys will be the ones driving themselves around Austin in 4 months?
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Mrbogleheads wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:30 pm
hunoraut wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 7:32 am

There are many things in life I don't need, but I still enjoy, even if not every day, or while robbing a bank.
Having massive accelerative power is one of thing.

You don't need that performance. That's good, there's even more products that will fulfill your requirements.
I don't need anything that does not provide value
I assume the poster finds value in good acceleration.

Unless one is a monk or lives in prison cell, life is full of extras - some will find value in them, while others will not. It is subjective.
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harikaried wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 1:00 am
hunoraut wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2025 7:14 amRecently they've launched fully driverless, unsupervised fsd for the cars literally out of the factory onto the loading docks.
Presumably these fully driverless vehicles aren't the new 2025 Model Y as those aren't being made in Fremont yet, but potentially these new Ys will be the ones driving themselves around Austin in 4 months?
As I read the news: Robotaxis will be tested in June (Texas). Model Ys will be available in April (US).
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Mrbogleheads wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:30 pm I don't need anything that does not provide value
Thats great for you to have your own value set. Thats why different cars exist to cater to other peoples diverse value sets. I hope you find the thread appropriate for yours.
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harikaried wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 1:00 am Presumably these fully driverless vehicles aren't the new 2025 Model Y as those aren't being made in Fremont yet, but potentially these new Ys will be the ones driving themselves around Austin in 4 months?
The fully driverless functionality requires HW4 computing system. That system has been produced for some 6mo+ now. HW3 cars that already purchased FSD are promised to get free HW4 upgrade.

Theyve updated model has started production at all factories, and the video at the docks includes the previous non-Juniper HW4 cars.
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YeahBuddy wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 2:09 pm
Money_Badger wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 8:48 am I have a 24 Model Y and my only very minor complaint is the ride can be a bit rough. Otherwise the car has been great.

Is your 24 Model Y the performance model? I've heard the performance can be rough and the road noise is sometimes excessive.
Not the performance. Dual motor all wheel drive.
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BiggerSaver wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:00 amRobotaxis will be tested in June (Texas). Model Ys will be available in April (US).
Yeah, I was referring to the video of Teslas in Fremont already driving themselves to the delivery staging area whereas these newest Model Ys are only just getting ready to upgrade I believe all 4 factories at the same time (California, Texas, Shanghai, Berlin). It sounds like deliveries should start in Q1, so we're expecting to get ours in March.
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New front camera, but still no bird's eye view. Kind of disappointing.
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harikaried wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 12:40 am
BiggerSaver wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:00 amRobotaxis will be tested in June (Texas). Model Ys will be available in April (US).
Yeah, I was referring to the video of Teslas in Fremont already driving themselves to the delivery staging area whereas these newest Model Ys are only just getting ready to upgrade I believe all 4 factories at the same time (California, Texas, Shanghai, Berlin). It sounds like deliveries should start in Q1, so we're expecting to get ours in March.
Yes, I saw the video. Very impressive. Especially since it wasn't even the newly released version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO1XXRwp3mc
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hunoraut wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:08 am
harikaried wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 1:00 ampotentially these new Ys will be the ones driving themselves around Austin in 4 months?
The fully driverless functionality requires HW4 computing system. That system has been produced for some 6mo+ now.
Yeah HW4 has been available since 2023, and I was somewhat asking about Tesla's 10/10 reveal of the dedicated Robotaxi vehicle, which probably was using HW4 to drive around with no steering wheel, pedals, etc.

I don't think the dedicated Robotaxi will be in production by June when Tesla aims to start providing driverless rides in Austin, so it seems likely these rides will be provided by the new 2025 Model Y. If so, people ordering this new vehicle might be getting both a personal vehicle and a robotaxi?
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harikaried wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 10:14 am
hunoraut wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:08 amThe fully driverless functionality requires HW4 computing system. That system has been produced for some 6mo+ now.
Yeah HW4 has been available since 2023, and I was somewhat asking about Tesla's 10/10 reveal of the dedicated Robotaxi vehicle, which probably was using HW4 to drive around with no steering wheel, pedals, etc.

I don't think the dedicated Robotaxi will be in production by June when Tesla aims to start providing driverless rides in Austin, so it seems likely these rides will be provided by the new 2025 Model Y. If so, people ordering this new vehicle might be getting both a personal vehicle and a robotaxi?
i would assume the austin driverless promise - their most specific - would be a company operated fleet of current models (including HW-capable lease returns).

cybercab current status is “in development” as opposed to the more advanced “in pilot production”. they also maintained H1 2025 “start of production” of an affordable model, and having both of them yield commercial vehicles by summer is an aggressive target. (perhaps the affordable car is the cybercab with a steering wheel?).
cheesepep wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 2:31 am New front camera, but still no bird's eye view. Kind of disappointing.
IMO the 3D rendered parkassist + side camera view + autotilt of both mirrors serves the same purpose. My complaint is unless the redesigned trunk changed the location or airflow over the rear camera, not having a self cleaning function is a big annoyance in the winter.
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Q1 : what is the current knowledge about V2L , V2H and V2G capabilities of 2025 Tesla Y ('Juniper') ?

given Tesla is battery on wheels, and vehicle to house is being touted as 'almost here' technology , is there an information on whether Juniper is or isnt getting it? it would be a loss to buy 50K device a year prior to this being released.

Q2 : did build quality got better?

I am not a car person or expert, so I try to watch actual mechanics who review internals of the car (vs media personalities/influences). The information coming from mechanics review is Tesla cooling and heating is amazing (years ahead of anything else) . At the same time the build quality is bad and very bad for 50-60k device. Did that get better?
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simas wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 3:27 pm Q1 : what is the current knowledge about V2L , V2H and V2G capabilities of 2025 Tesla Y ('Juniper') ?

given Tesla is battery on wheels, and vehicle to house is being touted as 'almost here' technology , is there an information on whether Juniper is or isnt getting it? it would be a loss to buy 50K device a year prior to this being released.

Q2 : did build quality got better?

I am not a car person or expert, so I try to watch actual mechanics who review internals of the car (vs media personalities/influences). The information coming from mechanics review is Tesla cooling and heating is amazing (years ahead of anything else) . At the same time the build quality is bad and very bad for 50-60k device. Did that get better?
I've watched a few videos of Juniper and it is a great step forward for the most popular electric vehicle. However, I think today the Cybertruck is one of the most future proof today (drive by wire, four wheel steering, ethernet LAN, 48V system, 800v system, and V2X capabilities).

Car and Driver was raving about the dramatic improvements on the revised Model 3 in the real world and I suspect the Y Juniper follows this same path.

Edit: Here is the video that has a brief section speaking about the fact that Y didn't incorporate all Cybertruck capabilities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts9RycgZhpw&t=2999s
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yatesd wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 3:34 pm
simas wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 3:27 pm Q1 : what is the current knowledge about V2L , V2H and V2G capabilities of 2025 Tesla Y ('Juniper') ?

given Tesla is battery on wheels, and vehicle to house is being touted as 'almost here' technology , is there an information on whether Juniper is or isnt getting it? it would be a loss to buy 50K device a year prior to this being released.

Q2 : did build quality got better?

I am not a car person or expert, so I try to watch actual mechanics who review internals of the car (vs media personalities/influences). The information coming from mechanics review is Tesla cooling and heating is amazing (years ahead of anything else) . At the same time the build quality is bad and very bad for 50-60k device. Did that get better?
I've watched a few videos of Juniper and it is a great step forward for the most popular electric vehicle. However, I think today the Cybertruck is one of the most future proof today (drive by wire, four wheel steering, ethernet LAN, 48V system, 800v system, and V2X capabilities).

Car and Driver was raving about the dramatic improvements on the revised Model 3 in the real world and I suspect the Y Juniper follows this same path.

Edit: Here is the video that has a brief section speaking about the fact that Y didn't incorporate all Cybertruck capabilities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts9RycgZhpw&t=2999s
Thanks. Cybertruck is not in my lists - just no need for 'truck' part of Cybertruck. I am glad for people who wanted it (and know some who love it) , too expensive, too big, too many sharp surfaces, etc. I want to see V2X in electric sedans (Tesla, Hyundai, Kia) before I go for a car to keep decade plus...
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Money_Badger wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:04 pm
YeahBuddy wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 2:09 pm


Is your 24 Model Y the performance model? I've heard the performance can be rough and the road noise is sometimes excessive.
Not the performance. Dual motor all wheel drive.

Thanks. Will have to take more test drives before deciding.
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question for those who own Teslas (or have experience) - how well does this EV retain charge when left alone/parked for days at the time? I live in Chicago and we travel (vacation ,etc) , if I park almost charged car and come back a week later, will it start? one of my fears with EV

with gas, if I happened to be out of gas completely, uber/lyft to closest gas station, plastic canister, back and I am driving again. with EV, I am not sure...
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simas wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 6:21 pm question for those who own Teslas (or have experience) - how well does this EV retain charge when left alone/parked for days at the time? I live in Chicago and we travel (vacation ,etc) , if I park almost charged car and come back a week later, will it start? one of my fears with EV

with gas, if I happened to be out of gas completely, uber/lyft to closest gas station, plastic canister, back and I am driving again. with EV, I am not sure...
not a realistic concern in my experience in freezing climates - i havent had to think about it in literal years. normal daily loss is maybe 0.5% per day, if that? it used to be ~1% per day or so, but the software updates have been refining the sleep consumption.

there are some features that user can turn on that consumes more battery, like constant video surveillance, but those automatically shut off at 20%.

in the winter the car may have apparent drop of 3-4% overnight if ambient drops below freezing. that is a temporary loss and is regained when the car is operated again.

i leave the car at airport in winter for weeks and its not something i have to think about.
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hunoraut wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 2:21 am
simas wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 6:21 pm question for those who own Teslas (or have experience) - how well does this EV retain charge when left alone/parked for days at the time? I live in Chicago and we travel (vacation ,etc) , if I park almost charged car and come back a week later, will it start? one of my fears with EV

with gas, if I happened to be out of gas completely, uber/lyft to closest gas station, plastic canister, back and I am driving again. with EV, I am not sure...
not a realistic concern in my experience in freezing climates - i havent had to think about it in literal years. normal daily loss is maybe 0.5% per day, if that? it used to be ~1% per day or so, but the software updates have been refining the sleep consumption.

there are some features that user can turn on that consumes more battery, like constant video surveillance, but those automatically shut off at 20%.

in the winter the car may have apparent drop of 3-4% overnight if ambient drops below freezing. that is a temporary loss and is regained when the car is operated again.

i leave the car at airport in winter for weeks and its not something i have to think about.
Thank you, what about the summer - how big is the expected loss per day (if known) for 90-100 F weather (going on a trip in summer and leaving it in parking garage near airport)? I am aware of (anecdotes?) stories of people I know who had badly stranded (given this was in Miami, FL) leaving for a week trip and coming back to completely dead car. I believe it was GM luxury model, and it took days to find one of handful (and this is Miami, huge city) mobile charging stations/vehicles to come to charge it up so it could open and drive. This is all on top-of-the-line model with full dealer support/service warranty, etc. Not the experience I want and something I want to avoid.
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New Tesla's (since 2023?) have very little battery drain per day - 1% or less.

This is contingent on:
Turning off Sentry Mode (this is an alarm system that records video of nearby activity)
Turning off 3rd party software that wakes up car
Refraining from "waking up" the car by checking on it with the Tesla app
Refrain from using Climate Control or Cabin Overheat Protection from the app while parked

Outside temp has little impact if you do these things.
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simas wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:00 am
hunoraut wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 2:21 am

not a realistic concern in my experience in freezing climates - i havent had to think about it in literal years. normal daily loss is maybe 0.5% per day, if that? it used to be ~1% per day or so, but the software updates have been refining the sleep consumption.

there are some features that user can turn on that consumes more battery, like constant video surveillance, but those automatically shut off at 20%.

in the winter the car may have apparent drop of 3-4% overnight if ambient drops below freezing. that is a temporary loss and is regained when the car is operated again.

i leave the car at airport in winter for weeks and its not something i have to think about.
Thank you, what about the summer - how big is the expected loss per day (if known) for 90-100 F weather (going on a trip in summer and leaving it in parking garage near airport)? I am aware of (anecdotes?) stories of people I know who had badly stranded (given this was in Miami, FL) leaving for a week trip and coming back to completely dead car. I believe it was GM luxury model, and it took days to find one of handful (and this is Miami, huge city) mobile charging stations/vehicles to come to charge it up so it could open and drive. This is all on top-of-the-line model with full dealer support/service warranty, etc. Not the experience I want and something I want to avoid.
I've left my car at the airport parking for a week in Miami summer with no issue. I believe the automatic climate control turns off after 12 hours. You can turn it off manually if you'd like.

Also, you will almost definitely want to turn off sentry mode when you leave it in the airport parking lot

That being said, my experience is with a Tesla. GM cars may behave differently
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simas wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:00 am
Thank you, what about the summer - how big is the expected loss per day (if known) for 90-100 F weather (going on a trip in summer and leaving it in parking garage near airport)? I am aware of (anecdotes?) stories of people I know who had badly stranded (given this was in Miami, FL) leaving for a week trip and coming back to completely dead car. I believe it was GM luxury model, and it took days to find one of handful (and this is Miami, huge city) mobile charging stations/vehicles to come to charge it up so it could open and drive. This is all on top-of-the-line model with full dealer support/service warranty, etc. Not the experience I want and something I want to avoid.
zero worries. to put some numbers to it, the car has a computer. if the computer operates 24/7 at full churn, consuming 200w, it would burn 6% capacity per day.

but realistically the computer is on standby, maybe it occasionally polls the car status or monitoring battery health or whatever, and consumes 20w (equivalent of a laptop)….that would be 0.6% per day.

other than that, the electric potential doesnt just disappear.
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YeahBuddy wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 5:57 pmWill have to take more test drives before deciding.
Sounds like one of the main improvements with the new Model Y is more comfort and quieter ride, so a test drive of the actual vehicle instead of previous existing vehicles would be useful. I believe the new Model 3 starting early 2024 also improved with "noticeable quieter ride," so some of those interior and exterior improvements are likely to carry over to the new Y but unclear for now.
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harikaried wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 1:27 pm I believe the new Model 3 starting early 2024 also improved with "noticeable quieter ride," so some of those interior and exterior improvements are likely to carry over to the new Y but unclear for now.
I can confirm the 2024+ Model 3 is significantly quieter and nicer riding than my 2018 Model 3.

My wife's 2023 Model Y is uncharacteristically rough and noisy, so I hope Tesla is able to improve it with the 2025+. They say they have, but a test drive will be easy to confirm.
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We just completed some delivery tasks for our new Y, and it now shows an estimated March delivery. Some people are seeing a delivery as soon as February 21st in US (and 14th Europe).
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hunoraut wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 11:35 am And also for the drive, my humble family car will outrun Mustang Dark Horses and Shelby GTs and chargers and hellcats .. but whos counting
Lol. I've occasionally had kids in muscle cars pull up next to me in my MY on the highway and rev their engines, presumably to drag race! Of course I don't....partly because it would be too easy to embarrass them :D That instant EV torque is no joke.
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simas wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 6:21 pm question for those who own Teslas (or have experience) - how well does this EV retain charge when left alone/parked for days at the time? I live in Chicago and we travel (vacation ,etc) , if I park almost charged car and come back a week later, will it start? one of my fears with EV

with gas, if I happened to be out of gas completely, uber/lyft to closest gas station, plastic canister, back and I am driving again. with EV, I am not sure...
If you shutoff the security cameras on the car, and avoid the urge to periodically check its status on the Tesla app, you won't lose much charge at all. I left my MY in a cruise parking lot for 2 weeks once, and came back with a loss of less than 5%.
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simas wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 3:27 pm Q1 : what is the current knowledge about V2L , V2H and V2G capabilities of 2025 Tesla Y ('Juniper') ?

given Tesla is battery on wheels, and vehicle to house is being touted as 'almost here' technology , is there an information on whether Juniper is or isnt getting it? it would be a loss to buy 50K device a year prior to this being released.

Q2 : did build quality got better?

I am not a car person or expert, so I try to watch actual mechanics who review internals of the car (vs media personalities/influences). The information coming from mechanics review is Tesla cooling and heating is amazing (years ahead of anything else) . At the same time the build quality is bad and very bad for 50-60k device. Did that get better?
2024 Tesla Model Y owner

No issues with mine.

I am not a car go but a few family members gave it a critical once over with and found no issues.

I've never had an expensive car. I always drove used sedans - whatever CR would rate highly. This feels - wow.

I have driven expensive EU cars, while in visiting EU. I found Mercedes and BMW needlessly fussy. Audis were good. I like the simplicity of my Y, which is common to EVs.
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cockersx3 wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2025 8:56 pm
hunoraut wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 11:35 am And also for the drive, my humble family car will outrun Mustang Dark Horses and Shelby GTs and chargers and hellcats .. but whos counting
Lol. I've occasionally had kids in muscle cars pull up next to me in my MY on the highway and rev their engines, presumably to drag race! Of course I don't....partly because it would be too easy to embarrass them :D That instant EV torque is no joke.
I imagine it takes a bit of getting used to when driving?
Of course I don't....partly because it would be too easy to embarrass them
I'd also be loathe to let a child of mine drive it, for that reason, if I thought they had any tendency to "lead foot" it. The laws of physics re stopping and handling are not overcome just because it is an EV.

The statistics I saw suggest that whilst women drivers have more "fender bender" type accidents (arising from things like parking lots, I think, and spatial perception), it is male drivers who initiate the majority of lethal car accidents. Particularly young male drivers. If we had any sense as a society (we don't) we'd put governors on cars driven by male drivers under say 30.**


** philosophically problematic. In that it will be *some* young male drivers who cause the problem (could be a majority, could be a minority)-- not all by any means. But we'd have to go into the realms of political philosophy to even begin to parse that one.
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MtnTravel wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 7:46 pm
snackdog wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 6:14 am I've never understood the appeal of Tesla cars myself have driven a few. For those who enjoy them, Hertz has been having a fire sale on them with quite a few offered under $20k. The depreciation is staggering.
Hertz has a fire sale on them because they realized EVs make horrible rental cars, especially for people who aren't used to them. If you've ever tried finding a gas station near an airport in an unfamiliar city, you can only imagine the stress of trying to find an EV charger where you can charge up and still make your flight.

Plus, repairs are expensive and rental cars are prone to damage. There's a reason most rental cars are cheap, base model Japanese or American cars.
My bet is that that they turned out to be bad rental cars for hertz because of the amount of abuse due to racing. Hertz has no problem renting out the slower EVs.
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cockersx3 wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2025 8:59 pm
simas wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 6:21 pm question for those who own Teslas (or have experience) - how well does this EV retain charge when left alone/parked for days at the time? I live in Chicago and we travel (vacation ,etc) , if I park almost charged car and come back a week later, will it start? one of my fears with EV

with gas, if I happened to be out of gas completely, uber/lyft to closest gas station, plastic canister, back and I am driving again. with EV, I am not sure...
If you shutoff the security cameras on the car, and avoid the urge to periodically check its status on the Tesla app, you won't lose much charge at all. I left my MY in a cruise parking lot for 2 weeks once, and came back with a loss of less than 5%.
Thank you, this answers my question. and yes I understand that all these (remote eyes) cost energy and have zero desire to engage with Tesla app while on the cruise (exactly the scenario I was thinking about, us gone for 10 days with car waiting in parking lot).
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Wwwdotcom wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 10:55 amMy bet is that that they turned out to be bad rental cars for hertz because of the amount of abuse due to racing. Hertz has no problem renting out the slower EVs.
I rented Teslas a couple times and you can tell they were used and abused. Also, Tesla really missed the opportunity to build software that catered to the rental market. I spent a bit of time in the car just getting the multitude of settings right and drive off the lot. Plus I had to use the key card instead of a normal driver with their phone.

I suppose Tesla's opinion is that rental cars will be a thing of the past with their robotaxi idea. Without arguing the ridiculousness of this plan, it's also shortsighted to ignore car rentals at least in the interim. A "hertz edition" Model 3 that's built with a ruggedized interior and software with rentals in mind would be a great line of business and help beta test hardware for the future taxis.

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I may get a Model Y, my brother has one, he loves it. His complaints though sound like they have been addressed, he wanted a more luxury ride and thought the materials could be a little nicer. I think Tesla is maybe the best automotive bargain out there as car prices have skyrocketed.

I do wish they would make a larger SUV closer to say a Tahoe or Denali, the Model Y feels closer to a 4 door hatchback than a real SUV. The Model X is supposed to be that bigger SUV, but is now something of a dated platform.
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Valuethinker wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 10:37 am
cockersx3 wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2025 8:56 pm

Lol. I've occasionally had kids in muscle cars pull up next to me in my MY on the highway and rev their engines, presumably to drag race! Of course I don't....partly because it would be too easy to embarrass them :D That instant EV torque is no joke.
I imagine it takes a bit of getting used to when driving?
Of course I don't....partly because it would be too easy to embarrass them
I'd also be loathe to let a child of mine drive it, for that reason, if I thought they had any tendency to "lead foot" it. The laws of physics re stopping and handling are not overcome just because it is an EV.

The statistics I saw suggest that whilst women drivers have more "fender bender" type accidents (arising from things like parking lots, I think, and spatial perception), it is male drivers who initiate the majority of lethal car accidents. Particularly young male drivers. If we had any sense as a society (we don't) we'd put governors on cars driven by male drivers under say 30.**


** philosophically problematic. In that it will be *some* young male drivers who cause the problem (could be a majority, could be a minority)-- not all by any means. But we'd have to go into the realms of political philosophy to even begin to parse that one.
Tesla lets you limit speed for certain drivers / profiles
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Re: New 2025 Tesla Model Y

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illumination wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 12:11 pm
I do wish they would make a larger SUV closer to say a Tahoe or Denali, the Model Y feels closer to a 4 door hatchback than a real SUV. The Model X is supposed to be that bigger SUV, but is now something of a dated platform.
the bolded part is the issue with all of the 'crossover' EVs. i.e. when I look at Ioniq 5 I think 'hatchback' however it is billed as 'SUV' because that sells better...
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Re: New 2025 Tesla Model Y

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simas wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 11:40 am
cockersx3 wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2025 8:59 pmIf you shutoff the security cameras on the car, and avoid the urge to periodically check its status on the Tesla app, you won't lose much charge at all
I understand that all these (remote eyes) cost energy and have zero desire to engage with Tesla app while on the cruise
The software for the vehicle and app are regularly updated for many years after purchasing. It's been a while now that the app no longer proactively wakes up the vehicle when checking the app, so Tesla is finding ways to improve efficiency. The vehicle even has tips now of how to reduce energy usage.

For the new Model Y, it sounds like the engineers found better ways to cool down or keep the car cooler requiring less air conditioning to save energy. Tesla says they've increased real world driving efficiency up almost 10%.
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Re: New 2025 Tesla Model Y

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illumination wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 12:11 pm I may get a Model Y, my brother has one, he loves it. His complaints though sound like they have been addressed, he wanted a more luxury ride and thought the materials could be a little nicer. I think Tesla is maybe the best automotive bargain out there as car prices have skyrocketed.

I do wish they would make a larger SUV closer to say a Tahoe or Denali, the Model Y feels closer to a 4 door hatchback than a real SUV. The Model X is supposed to be that bigger SUV, but is now something of a dated platform.
Hyundai-Kia is really filling out the vehicle gaps in the electric space. Theyve got the EV3 for a mini cuv, and EV9 for the full size 3-row suv class.

Tesla is going for high volume so theyre more likely to do a smaller size car (subcompact) than a larger one where the market is mostly just US.
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Re: New 2025 Tesla Model Y

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hunoraut wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 8:40 am
illumination wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 12:11 pm I may get a Model Y, my brother has one, he loves it. His complaints though sound like they have been addressed, he wanted a more luxury ride and thought the materials could be a little nicer. I think Tesla is maybe the best automotive bargain out there as car prices have skyrocketed.

I do wish they would make a larger SUV closer to say a Tahoe or Denali, the Model Y feels closer to a 4 door hatchback than a real SUV. The Model X is supposed to be that bigger SUV, but is now something of a dated platform.
Hyundai-Kia is really filling out the vehicle gaps in the electric space. Theyve got the EV3 for a mini cuv, and EV9 for the full size 3-row suv class.

Tesla is going for high volume so theyre more likely to do a smaller size car (subcompact) than a larger one where the market is mostly just US.

I had to look up the EV9, hadn't heard about it. I wish Tesla made something that size, that's the form factor I'm looking for. I just don't trust Hyundai/Kia products even for conventional cars, then add the electric to the mix and I just could see it being a potential service nightmare.

I like the Rivian R1S, but I just don't see a company like that making it.

I just think if Tesla made a bigger, traditional SUV, they'd have trouble keeping up with demand, at least in the US. I believe the Model Y is literally the best selling vehicle on Earth right now, so they clearly made something people want. To me though it's basically a hatchback, a Model 3 with more cargo space in the back.
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Re: New 2025 Tesla Model Y

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illumination wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 8:50 am
hunoraut wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 8:40 am

Hyundai-Kia is really filling out the vehicle gaps in the electric space. Theyve got the EV3 for a mini cuv, and EV9 for the full size 3-row suv class.

Tesla is going for high volume so theyre more likely to do a smaller size car (subcompact) than a larger one where the market is mostly just US.
I had to look up the EV9, hadn't heard about it. I wish Tesla made something that size, that's the form factor I'm looking for. I just don't trust Hyundai/Kia products even for conventional cars, then add the electric to the mix and I just could see it being a potential service nightmare.

I like the Rivian R1S, but I just don't see a company like that making it.
By and large the Hyundai-Kia 2nd gen, dedicated EV products, are considered good. Though their dealer and servicing network are still sub-par.

Rivian is running towards its critical pivot point. They have 1-2 years of cash left at its burn rate, just as the smaller R2/R3 is expected to be available. This is a similar trajectory to Tesla just before the Model 3. But the Model 3 had the advantage of uniquely being the most viable car at its release (mainstream priced long-range vehicle), whereas the R2/R3 will come into a more saturated market. It will be do or die.
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Re: New 2025 Tesla Model Y

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illumination wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 8:50 am
hunoraut wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 8:40 am

Hyundai-Kia is really filling out the vehicle gaps in the electric space. Theyve got the EV3 for a mini cuv, and EV9 for the full size 3-row suv class.

Tesla is going for high volume so theyre more likely to do a smaller size car (subcompact) than a larger one where the market is mostly just US.

I had to look up the EV9, hadn't heard about it. I wish Tesla made something that size, that's the form factor I'm looking for. I just don't trust Hyundai/Kia products even for conventional cars, then add the electric to the mix and I just could see it being a potential service nightmare.

I like the Rivian R1S, but I just don't see a company like that making it.

I just think if Tesla made a bigger, traditional SUV, they'd have trouble keeping up with demand, at least in the US. I believe the Model Y is literally the best selling vehicle on Earth right now, so they clearly made something people want. To me though it's basically a hatchback, a Model 3 with more cargo space in the back.
I agree, would have been all over a actual SUV from Tesla. Looked at an R1S, but eventually just went for a conventional vehicle last year. Next car to get replaced is probably my 2018 Model 3
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Re: New 2025 Tesla Model Y

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simas wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:00 am
hunoraut wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 2:21 am

not a realistic concern in my experience in freezing climates - i havent had to think about it in literal years. normal daily loss is maybe 0.5% per day, if that? it used to be ~1% per day or so, but the software updates have been refining the sleep consumption.

there are some features that user can turn on that consumes more battery, like constant video surveillance, but those automatically shut off at 20%.

in the winter the car may have apparent drop of 3-4% overnight if ambient drops below freezing. that is a temporary loss and is regained when the car is operated again.

i leave the car at airport in winter for weeks and its not something i have to think about.
Thank you, what about the summer - how big is the expected loss per day (if known) for 90-100 F weather (going on a trip in summer and leaving it in parking garage near airport)? I am aware of (anecdotes?) stories of people I know who had badly stranded (given this was in Miami, FL) leaving for a week trip and coming back to completely dead car. I believe it was GM luxury model, and it took days to find one of handful (and this is Miami, huge city) mobile charging stations/vehicles to come to charge it up so it could open and drive. This is all on top-of-the-line model with full dealer support/service warranty, etc. Not the experience I want and something I want to avoid.
There are climate settings that will drain the battery. Basically you can set it so that the AC comes on when the temp reaches a certain point (80, 90, or 100 degrees F) so if you are parking it in a hot airport parking lot in say Dallas in August you would want to make sure you don't have it set for the AC to come on and cool the car every day.

I don't know if there are safety settings that will prevent the battery from draining down past a certain percentage so that you don't return to a dead battery. There should be if there aren't. Hasn't come up for us.
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Re: New 2025 Tesla Model Y

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texasdiver wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 10:35 pm
I don't know if there are safety settings that will prevent the battery from draining down past a certain percentage so that you don't return to a dead battery. There should be if there aren't. Hasn't come up for us.
the Climate Keep and Sentry Mode feature are both disabled at 20% to prevent inadvertent full drain of the battery. That gives the battery some allowance for things such as deep cold soak.

The airports I've flown have AC+DC chargers in their parking lot. They don't bill for idle fees, so in theory you could just hook it up and occupy the space for days. I've never had to use them though. I just drive from full, arrive with 50%+, which is sufficient to get back home or anywhere I need.
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illumination wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 8:50 am
hunoraut wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 8:40 am

Hyundai-Kia is really filling out the vehicle gaps in the electric space. Theyve got the EV3 for a mini cuv, and EV9 for the full size 3-row suv class.

Tesla is going for high volume so theyre more likely to do a smaller size car (subcompact) than a larger one where the market is mostly just US.

I had to look up the EV9, hadn't heard about it. I wish Tesla made something that size, that's the form factor I'm looking for. I just don't trust Hyundai/Kia products even for conventional cars, then add the electric to the mix and I just could see it being a potential service nightmare.

I like the Rivian R1S, but I just don't see a company like that making it.

I just think if Tesla made a bigger, traditional SUV, they'd have trouble keeping up with demand, at least in the US. I believe the Model Y is literally the best selling vehicle on Earth right now, so they clearly made something people want. To me though it's basically a hatchback, a Model 3 with more cargo space in the back.
100% this. My wife already drives a Model Y, which she loves, and I'd like to replace my Telluride with something similar in size. The EV9 would be perfect if it had the software/UI of Tesla. I've yet to see anyone else constantly improve their software every month.
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Re: New 2025 Tesla Model Y

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texasdiver wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 10:35 pmThere are climate settings that will drain the battery. Basically you can set it so that the AC comes on when the temp reaches a certain point (80, 90, or 100 degrees F) so if you are parking it in a hot airport parking lot in say Dallas in August you would want to make sure you don't have it set for the AC to come on and cool the car every day.
Is this from your experience? It sounds like you're describing Cabin Overheat Protection, but that is only active for some hours after leaving the vehicle as it's intended for passenger comfort, e.g., when returning to the car after an errand. It doesn't activate days after when you're on a trip as presumably someone isn't staying inside multiple days without entering/exiting the vehicles. This protection feature can be turned off from the app next to where one would turn on/off Camp Mode or Dog Mode which actively maintain the set temperature and similarly turns off when dropping below 20%.
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Re: New 2025 Tesla Model Y

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Maybe the subject of this topic is wrong as Jay Leno's Garage video is "Exclusive First Drive of the 2026 Tesla Model Y" presumably to differentiate from the existing 2025 Model Y?

The design and engineering leads gave some extra insights into improved safety for those outside and inside the vehicle with new technologies, e.g., adaptive driving beam for better visibility without blinding, interior radar to detect occupants and adjust airbags, front-end design enhancing aerodynamics and pedestrian safety, autonomous driving hardware (sounds like a new 180º bumper camera in the front for superhuman safety).
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harikaried wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 2:23 pm Maybe the subject of this topic is wrong as Jay Leno's Garage video is "Exclusive First Drive of the 2026 Tesla Model Y" presumably to differentiate from the existing 2025 Model Y?

The design and engineering leads gave some extra insights into improved safety for those outside and inside the vehicle with new technologies, e.g., adaptive driving beam for better visibility without blinding, interior radar to detect occupants and adjust airbags, front-end design enhancing aerodynamics and pedestrian safety, autonomous driving hardware (sounds like a new 180º bumper camera in the front for superhuman safety).
Probably the biggest surprise we had with our 2023 Model Y is that it didn't have a front camera. We went back to the ole' tennis ball trick. The car is loaded with cameras, so I was shocked when that one was missing. Not being able to do the over the top view for parking is disappointing. Happy to see they added that and also kept the turn signals. The fit/finish one our 2023 is surprisingly good but it sounds like this one is even better.I would still wait 6 months or so to see if there are any issues.
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Re: New 2025 Tesla Model Y

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dsmclone wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 2:29 pm
harikaried wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 2:23 pmJay Leno's Garage video is "Exclusive First Drive of the 2026 Tesla Model Y"
Not being able to do the over the top view for parking is disappointing
I've found the visualization pretty useful for centering between parking spot lines or pulling up to a curb, so the rendering of objects and proximity can be more useful than the raw camera view. Although it does take some adjustment to get a sense of how close things actually are in certain situations.

But from the video, Lars VP Vehicle Engineering seems to hint at the view you're looking for: "[new front camera] gives us the ability to do the 360º view, which right now is in all our cars with Tesla Vision showing that emulated view, but now we have the ability, we could." https://youtu.be/vQ6e4-1uuGA?t=374

I suppose even without a dedicated over the top view, Cybertruck already allows viewing the front / rear / side cameras at anytime even with a dedicated camera button on the steering wheel, and the new Y has that as well (slightly simpler with dedicated turn stalk, so right side: cameras & voice commands, left side: high beam & wiper).
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harikaried wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 4:54 pm
I suppose even without a dedicated over the top view, Cybertruck already allows viewing the front / rear / side cameras at anytime even with a dedicated camera button on the steering wheel, and the new Y has that as well (slightly simpler with dedicated turn stalk, so right side: cameras & voice commands, left side: high beam & wiper).
I use the customized icon tray to always have access to the cameras. (Of course it also turns on automatically in reverse).

This is especially useful because often in winter the rear camera gets smooshed up, but the fender cameras stays clean and compliments the rear view for parking.
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Re: New 2025 Tesla Model Y

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hunoraut wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 2:06 am
niceguy7376 wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:45 pm
As per Car and Driver, it is at position 4 for just USA. Would it still be world's best selling?

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g6038 ... cars-2024/
it's expected to have a bigger gap to the toyota corolla and rav4 than last year as the globally best selling vehicle

the brand overall also retains its lead over byd for highest selling pure battery vehicles
Note: It is the best selling CAR. Numbers 1, 2 & 3 are TRUCKS & SUVs, not CARs.

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munemaker wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 1:51 pm
hunoraut wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 2:06 am

it's expected to have a bigger gap to the toyota corolla and rav4 than last year as the globally best selling vehicle

the brand overall also retains its lead over byd for highest selling pure battery vehicles
Note: It is the best selling CAR. Numbers 1, 2 & 3 are TRUCKS & SUVs, not CARs.

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In 2023, the Tesla Model Y was the best selling VEHICLE in the WORLD period.

In 2024, the Tesla Model Y will either be the #1 or #2 best selling VEHICLE in the WORLD.

Vehicle includes cars, trucks, and SUV's. The link being referenced is U.S. sales.
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