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I am NOT a person who does a lot of work around my house. If it has any complication at all to it .. I pay someone to get it done correctly.
That leaves me as not being that sensitive of when things are wrong.

Thus, when I saw some sand accumulating on the last step of the stairs to my basement I naively thought it was from sand from the stairs above all accumulating in that area.

So I swept from that last stair on to the ground and then swept into a pile.

Then even me realized when a large mound of sand again appeared so quickly that the sand was NOT from the stairs above.

I have owned my house since 1982. This just started occurring some time over the last month or so.

I stuck my fingers over the bottom right on top of that stair, into the foundation area and I could feel the sand.

What is going to be the easiest and quickest way to stop this? Also, what caused this to start doing this after having owned the house for nearly 32 years (and the house being about 80 years old)?

Finally, seeing this graphically demonstrated that my area definitely has sandy soil!

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Where are you at geographically? Do you have freezing and thawing? My first guess would be that the cold weather of recent heaved something and created that gap for the sand to filter through. If not, perhaps there was some barrier on the outside of the foundation that finally degraded enough for the sand to filter through.

Short term, I wouldn't move the sand because that will just let more of it inside which can cause problems on the outside. Do you have issues with water in that area? If not, a cheap fix might be to bang a sized piece of treated wood into that gap to prevent more material from coming through it and caulking around the edges. The proper fix is probably going to involve excavating the corner on the outside of the house where that sand is coming from to add some sort of barrier on the other side of whatever is used to fill that gap, add sand to replace what has been lost so that you don't end up with a low spot that becomes a funnel into your basement. All this could vary some depending on your geography.
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lthenderson wrote: Tue Jan 28, 2025 11:42 am Where are you at geographically? Do you have freezing and thawing? My first guess would be that the cold weather of recent heaved something and created that gap for the sand to filter through. If not, perhaps there was some barrier on the outside of the foundation that finally degraded enough for the sand to filter through.

Short term, I wouldn't move the sand because that will just let more of it inside which can cause problems on the outside. Do you have issues with water in that area? If not, a cheap fix might be to bang a sized piece of treated wood into that gap to prevent more material from coming through it and caulking around the edges. The proper fix is probably going to involve excavating the corner on the outside of the house where that sand is coming from to add some sort of barrier on the other side of whatever is used to fill that gap, add sand to replace what has been lost so that you don't end up with a low spot that becomes a funnel into your basement. All this could vary some depending on your geography.
I am in western Massachusetts. We've had quite low temperatures for a few weeks now.

I neglected to point out that the top of the stair steps is a 500 square foot garage with concrete floor. But it seems like a foundation wall is where that leak is. However, the outside of the foundation would be under the garage.

I've not had any water issues in that area.

I don't see any way of doing the proper fix since the those stairs are not adjacent to the outside foundation but, instead as described above, but instead is inaccessible because of the garage floor being at the top of the stairs.

The treated wood seems like a viable solution?
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Any sign of insects or rodents?
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rkhusky wrote: Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:15 pm Any sign of insects or rodents?
No insects.

Used to see a lot of mice activity. But after I got two kittens and a 2 year old cat in 2018 it seems like the mice put out a message on their internet: "Young cats now in this house! Avoid! Much safer houses in the area!"
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It's hard to see what might have changed for this to begin occurring. For example - is what appears to me to be a retaining wall for the stair well separate from the stairs, and has it shifted over time? Was there an expansion joint filler in the gap that worked its way out? Regardless of cause, it looks like something to be addressed to ensure you don't end up with a significant void behind that concrete that might lead to other issues.

If you want to remove all doubt, you can talk to a foundation contractor for more authoritative advice, although that will be pricey. They might recommend something like pumping grout into the space that sand left behind to prevent anything more from moving into the gap, and then sticking a strip of expansion joint filler in there.

If you want try to a simple fix first and see how it goes, I'd probably try filling the gap with grout or a joint / crack sealant intended for concrete, and see how it holds up. My initial instinct is the latter, since it should be more flexible.
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iamlucky13 wrote: Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:20 pm It's hard to see what might have changed for this to begin occurring. For example - is what appears to me to be a retaining wall for the stair well separate from the stairs, and has it shifted over time? Was there an expansion joint filler in the gap that worked its way out? Regardless of cause, it looks like something to be addressed to ensure you don't end up with a significant void behind that concrete that might lead to other issues.

If you want to remove all doubt, you can talk to a foundation contractor for more authoritative advice, although that will be pricey. They might recommend something like pumping grout into the space that sand left behind to prevent anything more from moving into the gap, and then sticking a strip of expansion joint filler in there.

If you want try to a simple fix first and see how it goes, I'd probably try filling the gap with grout or a joint / crack sealant intended for concrete, and see how it holds up. My initial instinct is the latter, since it should be more flexible.
Your response caused me to go back to the area and do way more investigation than I'd initially done.

I shoveled a majority of the sand on the step and basement floor into a bin. About a cubic foot of sand. Quite heavy. I had to bring the bin up one step at a time before I could get it to the garage floor. I'll probably need another person with me to pick it up to dump it outside.

Took two more pictures.

First one is of the left side of the stairs where nothing is going on. Second is the area of concern.

In both cases for some reason these spaces were cut out of the wood?

Also, when you go up the basement stairs and are in the garage ... you take an immediate right to go up the stairs into the kitchen. Alongside the steps on the right is block foundation which adjoin the basement steps and where presumably the kitchen steps floor sits on? Or, is aside to? Again, not being a home fixer person here I cannot be more precise.

Getting back to the picture of the area of concern. It initially seemed that all the sand was coming out of a tiny area at the top left? But then it seemed like it could also be coming on the right, behind the board. But due to the opening being so small .. I could not get my fingers in too far to do much probing.

Finally, it seems like the flow of sand has somewhat stopped. However, it was concerning to see that about cubic foot of sand in that bin and to know that it all flowed out of that area.

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It looks to me like the stairs have separated somewhat from the rest of the foundation, enough for sand to slip through the cracks.

There's two options, both of which I'd get someone who knows foundations to look at and recommend. You can have someone shove as much material "into the crack" as they can, and then seal it to the best of their ability. This is a patch but may be good enough for 20+ years.

The other option is to have someone remove part of the garage floor, or maybe the stairs, or maybe both, and redo the whole section. This is obviously more expensive, but might not be as terribly expensive as you'd think. If the first patch wouldn't last 20+ years, I'd lean toward this.

The most likely "failure" given the description would be similar to this: https://myhouseneedsfixin.com/wp-conten ... ment-1.jpg where eventually the garage floor cracks and falls into the "hole" left by the sand escaping.

It sounds bad, but unless there's flowing water through it, it would be one and done and likely not be a major issue. A contractor might be able to remedy it by re-adding material "from above" in the garage via hole or similar, once the crack is patched. See - mudjacking. You wouldn't want to just do it without fixing the hole, or it would spray mud into the basement!
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bombcar wrote: Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:22 pm It looks to me like the stairs have separated somewhat from the rest of the foundation, enough for sand to slip through the cracks.

There's two options, both of which I'd get someone who knows foundations to look at and recommend. You can have someone shove as much material "into the crack" as they can, and then seal it to the best of their ability. This is a patch but may be good enough for 20+ years.

The other option is to have someone remove part of the garage floor, or maybe the stairs, or maybe both, and redo the whole section. This is obviously more expensive, but might not be as terribly expensive as you'd think. If the first patch wouldn't last 20+ years, I'd lean toward this.

The most likely "failure" given the description would be similar to this: https://myhouseneedsfixin.com/wp-conten ... ment-1.jpg where eventually the garage floor cracks and falls into the "hole" left by the sand escaping.

It sounds bad, but unless there's flowing water through it, it would be one and done and likely not be a major issue. A contractor might be able to remedy it by re-adding material "from above" in the garage via hole or similar, once the crack is patched. See - mudjacking. You wouldn't want to just do it without fixing the hole, or it would spray mud into the basement!
More good information. Thanks.

There is a foundation person who lives on my street along with his business. I hired him a few years ago to repair the end of my garage floor ($500) before I had a new driveway put in (which obviously led up to the end of that garage floor).

I assume that at this time of year he'd have time to look at this.

Seems like he should be qualified to both give an opinion as to which is best and able to do either option?
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After seeing your subsequent pictures, it looks to me as if the sides of the stairway were probably poured first and whomever formed up the bottom step to pour the concrete stuck a board on either side without thinking things through. After they concrete set for the steps, the board was removed, likely by cutting it in half down the middle so both of the ends now imbedded in concrete could be pulled/chiseled out. Because it is on the interior of your house envelope, I don't think movement due to freezing is likely the issue. Probably the concrete developed a crack due to age and settling in a thin part of concrete separating the void left by the form board and the other side of the foundation that is now wide enough to let sand through.

Since you have a garage floor above the other side of the wall which eliminates filling up the void from the "outside", I might do some probing to see if there is enough room you can spray in some expanding foam to take up the void that the cubic foot of sand left behind. My guess is that you probably won't have a crack wide enough to accept the nozzle from a can of foam spray. So my permanent solution would be to just size a piece of treated wood or even rigid foam and press it into the gap to stop anymore sand from coming out. (Wood would likely be more rodent proof than foam.) If you really want to beauty it up, you could even inset the wood/foam a bit and put a scratch coat of mortar to match the look and feel of the concrete. It will likely last decades beyond your lifetime and be someone else's problem later if the house is still there. I would also make note of the other side that there is likely a void underneath the concrete in that area and not put anything real heavy as a point load on that area or you may cleave off a chunk of your garage floor into the void. Likely though, the void is small enough that nobody will ever know about it and because it is close to a wall, it probably won't cause any issues.
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lthenderson wrote: Tue Jan 28, 2025 2:40 pm After seeing your subsequent pictures, it looks to me as if the sides of the stairway were probably poured first and whomever formed up the bottom step to pour the concrete stuck a board on either side without thinking things through. After they concrete set for the steps, the board was removed, likely by cutting it in half down the middle so both of the ends now imbedded in concrete could be pulled/chiseled out. Because it is on the interior of your house envelope, I don't think movement due to freezing is likely the issue. Probably the concrete developed a crack due to age and settling in a thin part of concrete separating the void left by the form board and the other side of the foundation that is now wide enough to let sand through.

Since you have a garage floor above the other side of the wall which eliminates filling up the void from the "outside", I might do some probing to see if there is enough room you can spray in some expanding foam to take up the void that the cubic foot of sand left behind. My guess is that you probably won't have a crack wide enough to accept the nozzle from a can of foam spray. So my permanent solution would be to just size a piece of treated wood or even rigid foam and press it into the gap to stop anymore sand from coming out. (Wood would likely be more rodent proof than foam.) If you really want to beauty it up, you could even inset the wood/foam a bit and put a scratch coat of mortar to match the look and feel of the concrete. It will likely last decades beyond your lifetime and be someone else's problem later if the house is still there. I would also make note of the other side that there is likely a void underneath the concrete in that area and not put anything real heavy as a point load on that area or you may cleave off a chunk of your garage floor into the void. Likely though, the void is small enough that nobody will ever know about it and because it is close to a wall, it probably won't cause any issues.
Great response! I believe that the other side, if I'm reading you correctly, is either the concrete blocks (which compose my entire foundation throughout the house) or under the floor on the top of the steps leading from the garage to the kitchen.

But now you inspirired me to take another picture or two so you can see exactly where this area is in the house.

The first picture shows several items:

1) Bin filled with sand that came out onto that last stair
2) All the basement stairs
3) Floor at top of stairs going into kitchen (light blue painted posts sitting on the right of that floor)
4) Area of interest is directly below where you see the red square on the basement door
5) The concrete blocks which are alongside the stairs and which I can now see that the kitchen steps floor sits on those blocks

The second picture is another view of the area of concern

Note that up until today I was regularly seeing the sand flowing on to the bottom stair when I stepped on the stair above it. That flow has seemed to have stopped.

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It’s possible the sand is coming from under the steps, which if they’re wood, “would” (likely) be good news.
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If it's a foundation issue, have you considered reaching out to a structural engineer and have them do an assessment?
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bombcar wrote: Tue Jan 28, 2025 6:37 pm It’s possible the sand is coming from under the steps, which if they’re wood, “would” (likely) be good news.
If so, why did it start last week or so after nearly 43 years of nothing?

However, I do know that it is coming from somewhere in that opening in the hole / slat opening next to the step.
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enad wrote: Wed Jan 29, 2025 12:26 am If it's a foundation issue, have you considered reaching out to a structural engineer and have them do an assessment?
Certainly hoping that it does not come to that.

I will have three friends look at it.

1) Was an assessor for decades in the town next to me, does a lot of his own work, thus, quite familiar with homes.

2) Was the building inspector for my town for decades.

3) Was a carpenter and had built houses and does almost all on his own house.
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Update!

Friday afternoon the person who been the building inspector for my town for decades came to my house to take a look.

He thought it was strange. Said that normally there would have been a wall going from the edge of the garage floor to underneath the top stair. That leaves just air behind the stairs. In this case he hypothesized that they did not do that but, instead, used fill behind the stairs. Would have to remove a stair to verify.

Initially he stated that the most simple solution would be to cover up with a board the area where the sand was coming in. Then he noticed that the sand was also coming on to the basement floor through the bottom of the board that is adjoining the doorway in the basement. So that first solution would only take care of half for the two problems.

An hour after he left another friend came by who'd been a carpenter and who'd done a lot of work on my house (vinyl siding, installing two garage doors, redoing bathroom). He thought we should remove a stair to look and to remove the board in the basement adjoining the doorway.

He said to text him Monday morning about getting this all done on Monday.

Yesterday I asked the person who does my snow plowing but who is also a practicing carpenter. Two years ago he did extensive work enlarging my garage door opening and installed the side garage door.

Using his crow bar and a hammer he somewhat pulled out away the lower third of that basement board. Enough for use to hold on to the board to pull it away enough to look inside. He ascertained that there is nothing coming from the right side of the cavity.

Note I am defining the cavity as the area that is enclosed by the board in the basement and the board adjacent to the top of the right stair.

He suggested that my friend cut off the bottom of the board so as to get in the area and then just nail it back when done. Advised using mortar to seal up the space where the sand / dirt is coming in (top of bottom stair on the right).

Note that way above I'd stated how I'd filled a bin with over a cubic foot of sand / dirt. Before he came to my house I saw that the area near my two garage doors was like an ice-skating rink. I myself slipped when trying to chip it with a shovel. I was about to go inside the house to get kitty litter to put on the area leading to the small garage door when I saw that bin of dirt / sand. Used it to cover the skating rink ice in front of that door!

So that is where things now stand with more current pictures below.

Finally is that after today I cleared out all the standing sand / dirt on the bottom step and in the basement I'm not seeing any more movement. Therefore, still don't know what caused this for an 80-year-old house but it seems fairly minor. It may have stopped and does not need the mortar but having gone this far ...why not do the mortar.

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Originally I thought the object in front of the lower step was made of concrete but combined with your new picture, it appears to be just a wood box used as one side of the door jam and as a place to fasten the handrail.

Although I always find coming up with an accurate diagnosis hard with just a handful of pictures, I still would bet that the sand is backfill sand for the foundation and that it is leaking in through a minute crack from where your stair cinder block wall meets your basement block wall and is falling down through the void of the wooden box/door jam to the gap at the base of your bottom stair riser. Blocking up or sealing the gap of where the wood meets the cinder blocks all the way around will probably stop more sand leeching out. If presented with the time and inclination, I might remove the handrail and remove that wooden box/door jam that fills up that covers the intersection between the outside of your basement cinder block wall and the inside of your stairway cinder block wall and see what it happening for sure. I'm guessing though the door might have to come off as well to do that.
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My grandfather used to say that when your car's ashtrays are full, it's time to buy a new car. Maybe...? :D
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littlerfish wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:29 am My grandfather used to say that when your car's ashtrays are full, it's time to buy a new car. Maybe...? :D
Not sure how that applies here. But one time my father did take his car in to have the ash tray looked at and ended up buying a new car!
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lthenderson wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 8:27 am Originally I thought the object in front of the lower step was made of concrete but combined with your new picture, it appears to be just a wood box used as one side of the door jam and as a place to fasten the handrail.

Although I always find coming up with an accurate diagnosis hard with just a handful of pictures, I still would bet that the sand is backfill sand for the foundation and that it is leaking in through a minute crack from where your stair cinder block wall meets your basement block wall and is falling down through the void of the wooden box/door jam to the gap at the base of your bottom stair riser. Blocking up or sealing the gap of where the wood meets the cinder blocks all the way around will probably stop more sand leeching out. If presented with the time and inclination, I might remove the handrail and remove that wooden box/door jam that fills up that covers the intersection between the outside of your basement cinder block wall and the inside of your stairway cinder block wall and see what it happening for sure. I'm guessing though the door might have to come off as well to do that.
Thanks for the response.

At this point ... there is still no more dirt flowing on to the stair or onto the bottom floor.

When it was coming out I could see exactly where it was coming out.

It is coming out of the following area in the picture above.

1. The top right dark spot of the opening.
2. The dark spot in the left middle.

Both are the same spots.

When it was flowing ... it was about as much sand as you would see flowing in an hourglass.

There is no need to remove the wooden box / door jam as that area is more easily accessed by pulling over the bottom board in the basement adjoining the door jamb. I took the last two pictures by holding the board away. Next step would be to cut if off completely (then nail back on when work complete) so as to get into the area and seal it.
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Have you considered using a borescope to peek into and possibly behind the crack?

The cheap ones are less than $20. Any contractor that does remedial work should already have one.
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Epsilon Delta wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 12:51 pm Have you considered using a borescope to peek into and possibly behind the crack?

The cheap ones are less than $20. Any contractor that does remedial work should already have one.
I'd not considered one because I'd never heard of one.

But I see that there are many here:

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=borescope&cr ... ranker_1_9

I'm thinking that all we'd probably see is sand / dirt?

Plus, we will take off a stair or two and will then be able to look exactly above where the sand / dirt had been flowing.
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yankees60 wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 1:00 pm Plus, we will take off a stair or two and will then be able to look exactly above where the sand / dirt had been flowing.
One use of a borescope would be to drill a 1/2 inch hole in the stairs (or drywall), poke it through and have a look. When it turns out you're looking in the wrong place it's a simpler patch with length of dowel or some caulk.
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Someone coming this morning at 11 AM to inspect thoroughly and, hopefully, remedy. Will update when done.
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I think the problem has been solved.

Here is what was done with accompanying pictures.

1) Took off the bottom of the basement board adjacent to the doorway.

2) Took off the step above two steps above where sand / dirt was leaking on to:

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3) Cut a piece of wood to block area where sand / dirt was seeping. This was put behind the area by inserting it via the step two steps above. It is the thin piece on the lower right.

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4) Took off the top step and observed that there were two concrete blocks under the garage floor and then dirt underneath those. Put in two boards to impede any dirt from flowing downwards.

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5) A view through that top step looking downwards to the third step (location of hand). Note that when top step initially taken off it was clearly evident that there was a cavity on the right side that was not on the left side. It could have been the about 1.5 cubic feet of sand / dirt that I'd collected from the bottom step and in the basement. Put some of that sand / dirt back in.

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6) Took two pictures of third step dirt level to see in a few months if those levels changed at all.

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7) Put the two steps back in with screws rather than nails so as to facillitate doing the check in the future.

8) Sprayed foam all within the area that could allow the sand / dirt to escape from under the stairs and lead out anywhere.

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9) Put back removed basement board adjacent to doorway.

To sum. This house was built in 1945, 80 years ago, and I bought it in 1982, 43 years ago. This had never been an issue until it arose about two weeks ago. Still do not know what caused it. Did not seem that this was sand / direct coming from under the garage and flowing into under the stairs. Instead, it seemed like it was already existing sand / direct under the stairs. Why it started trickling out in the area where it did is still a puzzle.
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Re: How to remedy dirt/sand coming onto basement steps?

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Sounds like it’s less serious than originally thought, and that’s good.

Regarding the photo below #5, I think I saw that film. Spoiler: The demon escapes again, setting us up for another sequel.
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Re: How to remedy dirt/sand coming onto basement steps?

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I'm house building ignorant, and my last house's foundation was a poured slab. Seeing the photos, I would have assumed OP lived near a beach or something, but I take it the sand is coming from the foundation?
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Re: How to remedy dirt/sand coming onto basement steps?

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z91 wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 4:52 pm I'm house building ignorant, and my last house's foundation was a poured slab. Seeing the photos, I would have assumed OP lived near a beach or something, but I take it the sand is coming from the foundation?
My house was built in 1945 - 80 years ago - in the Northeast (Western Massachusetts).

The foundation was not poured concrete but all cinder block.

The soil is sandy here, which was when I first starting doing a vegetable garden my friend helping me told me that I could never water too much as the water would just keep flowing down.

I think other places not that far away from me have clay soil.

I've been told that my property used to be used for growing tobacco (were a lot of farms doing that in this region). Have lots of friends tell me about how they picked tobacco in their teenage years.
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Re: How to remedy dirt/sand coming onto basement steps?

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Interesting, thanks for the info!
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