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It’s amazing all the ways people are using AI! Out of some expressed privacy concerns and source questions I’ve tried a little experiment, asking ChatGPT 3.5 to identify a few Bogleheads: Nisiprius, LadyGeek, and myself, Tetractys. I feel OK posting the results since they are complimentary and, I’m happy to find out, do not disclose any private information.

Q: Can you identify Nisiprius on Boglehead.org?

A: I don't have direct access to external websites or databases, so I can't identify or confirm specific users on Bogleheads.org or any other platforms. Nisiprius is a well-known and respected user on the Bogleheads forum known for their contributions related to investment discussions and Vanguard funds. If you're looking for information or discussions related to their contributions, browsing the Bogleheads forum directly would be the best way to find their posts or threads.

Q: How about LadyGeek?

A: LadyGeek is another prominent member of the Bogleheads community known for their active participation in discussions related to personal finance, investing, and general financial planning. They have been recognized for providing insightful advice, moderating discussions, and contributing valuable content to the forum. If you're interested in their contributions or discussions, visiting the Bogleheads forum and searching for their posts or threads would be the best way to explore their insights.

Q: How about Tetractys?

A: Tetractys is a well-known member of the Bogleheads community who has contributed valuable insights and expertise on various financial topics, particularly in the realm of investing, asset allocation, and retirement planning. Their contributions often involve detailed analysis and thoughtful responses, providing guidance to other forum members seeking advice on investment strategies and personal finance matters. For more specific information or to explore their contributions, checking the Bogleheads forum directly would be the best approach.

Interesting that the more I asked, the lengthier and more detailed the answers seemed to become. Also interesting is the consistent yet variegated referral to source.
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faanger101 wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 7:16 pm
CFM300 wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:54 am I use it to write code. Saves me a lot of time.
Can you give some examples? I tried it few times - anything that is slightly complicated than basic examples is at least suboptimal (in 50% cases just wrong). Medium level questions related coding gave me such a bizarre outputs that I saved them to share with friends :annoyed
What are you using? GPT-3.5? Maybe try something like GitHub Copilot.
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tetractys wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:43 am
snackdog wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:31 am We use it at work. For some professions it is estimated to already boost productivity 40%.
I can believe that. Last night I woke up with a test question for ChatGPT and it gave a pretty good answer:

Q: What’s a good chordal progression to move from C major to E Major?

A: A common chordal progression to move from C major to E major could involve using chords that smoothly connect the two keys. You might try something like C major (I) → A minor (vi) → E major (V), or C major (I) → G major (V) → E major (I). These progressions incorporate chords that exist in both C major and E major keys, helping create a smooth transition between them.

This is a good answer and close to 0 thinking required! Not only the simple answer is given; but also the applicable and extended useful method.
FWIW: C major --> G major --> E major is not a pivot chord modulation. G major does not exist in E. (i.e. E-major has a G#...). What that is, is a chromatic mediant modulation which is very abrupt and cinematic. Anyway, ChatGPT did indeed give a modulation up a major third, it's just not what you described. I've found ChatGPT to be very unreliable with music theory, FYI.
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ChatGPT is excellent for simplifying things. I am the chair of the investment committee for a small corporation. Our bond manager tends to write on a PhD level. So I took a paragraph from our quarterly update and plugged it into ChatGPT. You can see using the link below what it was able to do with the complicated municipal bond report:

https://chat.openai.com/share/e9ac478e- ... a69157ad6e

It can translate text into over 25 languages as well.

Also, keep in mind that ChatGPT is not intended to be a search engine. It is predictive-it is figuring out what the right answer should be based on the training it has received in the relationship between words, phrases, concepts, etc. That yields results that are both better and worse than a web search, depending what the question is. It would be interesting to take some of the longer posts on bogleheads and plug them into ChatGPT.
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faanger101 wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 7:16 pm
CFM300 wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:54 am I use it to write code. Saves me a lot of time.
Can you give some examples? I tried it few times - anything that is slightly complicated than basic examples is at least suboptimal (in 50% cases just wrong). Medium level questions related coding gave me such a bizarre outputs that I saved them to share with friends :annoyed
Use GPT-4, it's a lot better. Or if you're going to use ChatGPT, use it for Rubber Ducking. IE, don't expect a correct or optimal answer, just something to get you closer to the result you want. You'll still need to do "the work". Think of it as a replacement for Stack Overflow where you need to read between the lines (which is kinda like SO anyway). If you do that it's actually pretty handy.
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MH2 wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 7:39 am ChatGPT pro account through work. We also host an open source LLM model (llamav2) which will eventually be integrated into an event detection platform of ours for academic research.

ChatGPT alone has saved about 30-50K in my time over the last three months.

LLMs like ChatGPU are significant force multipliers.
Would you mind sharing examples of how ChatGPT is saving you all the time at work? Thank you.
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snackdog wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:31 am We use it at work. For some professions it is estimated to already boost productivity 40%.
Can I ask which professions have seen this productivity boost? Thank you.
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I will say that I am both learning Portuguese and informally tutoring foreign speakers in English, and Google Translate is very good and extremely useful.

There are definitely "tricks" to using it. For example, when translating into a foreign language, always resubmit the answer and ask it to translate it back into English. And you can't be too credulous, you always have to examine and reality-check the translation.

The carpenter uses a plane to smooth wood" does not mean "El carpintero utiliza un avión para alisar madera!" Oddly enough, it messes up in Spanish, but not in Portuguese: "O carpinteiro usa uma plaina para alisar a madeira."
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ruanddu wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:05 am
snackdog wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:31 am We use it at work. For some professions it is estimated to already boost productivity 40%.
Can I ask which professions have seen this productivity boost? Thank you.
The published Harvard study was of business consultants but a UK study found an impact on almost all forms of work.
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Valjean wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:45 pm...Also, keep in mind that ChatGPT is not intended to be a search engine...
Exactly what is it intended to be, please?
I wrote:What are Bing Chat's intended uses?
Bing Chat wrote:Here are some of the main ways you can use Bing Chat:

1) Information Retrieval: You can ask me to find information on a wide variety of topics. I can provide summaries of complex topics, answer trivia questions, give you the latest news, and much more.
How is a tool to "find information on a wide variety of topics" not a "search engine?" That's the first suggested use. Let's ask it directly.
I wrote:Can I use Bing Chat as a search engine?
Bing Chat wrote:Yes, you can use Bing Chat as a search engine to some extent. I can search the web to find information on a wide variety of topics. However, please note that while I strive to provide accurate and helpful information, my responses should be used as a guide and not replace professional advice for critical matters. Also, I respect user privacy and do not store personal data shared during the conversation. Please avoid sharing sensitive personal information with me.
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ruanddu wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:05 am
snackdog wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:31 am We use it at work. For some professions it is estimated to already boost productivity 40%.
Can I ask which professions have seen this productivity boost? Thank you.
I asked Bing this question.

According to the web search results, some of the professions that have seen a productivity boost by using ChatGPT are:

Marketers, grant writers, consultants, data analysts, human resource professionals, and managers. These are the occupations that were studied by MIT researchers, who found that ChatGPT increased productivity by 40% and output quality by 18% for certain writing tasks123.
Engineers, educators, healthcare professionals, and more. These are some of the examples given by Hootsuite, a social media management platform, that offers 202 ChatGPT prompts to help users with various writing challenges4.
Lawyers, journalists, content creators, and more. These are some of the examples given by Cointelegraph, a media outlet that covers blockchain and cryptocurrency news, that provides 11 ChatGPT prompts to help users with various writing tasks5.
ChatGPT is a powerful tool that can assist workers with different writing needs, but it also has some limitations and challenges. It is important to use it responsibly and ethically, and to always check the accuracy and quality of the generated outputs.

Learn more:

1. news.mit.edu
2. phys.org
3. interestingengineering.com
4. blog.hootsuite.com
5. cointelegraph.com
6. searchenginejournal.com
7. bing.com
8. exec.mit.edu
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nisiprius wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:23 am
Valjean wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:45 pm...Also, keep in mind that ChatGPT is not intended to be a search engine...
Exactly what is it intended to be, please?
I wrote:What are Bing Chat's intended uses?
Bing Chat wrote:Here are some of the main ways you can use Bing Chat:

1) Information Retrieval: You can ask me to find information on a wide variety of topics. I can provide summaries of complex topics, answer trivia questions, give you the latest news, and much more.
How is a tool to "find information on a wide variety of topics" not a "search engine?" That's the first suggested use. Let's ask it directly.
I wrote:Can I use Bing Chat as a search engine?
Bing Chat wrote:Yes, you can use Bing Chat as a search engine to some extent. I can search the web to find information on a wide variety of topics. However, please note that while I strive to provide accurate and helpful information, my responses should be used as a guide and not replace professional advice for critical matters. Also, I respect user privacy and do not store personal data shared during the conversation. Please avoid sharing sensitive personal information with me.
Bing Chat and ChatGPT are two different things. They may use a similar software kernel, but Bing’s is set up to refer you to websites (I assume that’s because Microsoft only makes money on Bing when people click on links). ChatGPT does not include any web information after 2021, does not have access to court decisions, etc.
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mrmass wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 7:29 am Learn more:

1. news.mit.edu
2. phys.org
3. interestingengineering.com
4. blog.hootsuite.com
5. cointelegraph.com
6. searchenginejournal.com
7. bing.com
8. exec.mit.edu
+4 more
Uh, did you check out those references? Unlike Wikipedia, whose references are almost always accurate, I find that Bing Chat is very prone to hallucinating alleged references. Very often the references are merely places where you might sort of expect to find the information, and the provided link doesn't come close to supporting the statement it is supposed to be supporting. It is not actually getting its information from the places it says it is getting it from.

Let's see if I can replicate your search and check a reference, although another problem with discussing and evaluating these tools is that they give different answers when asked the same question.
I wrote:Can you give me an example of professions that have seen a 40% productivity boost from the use of ChatGPT?
It begins with:
Blockchain Developers: ChatGPT can help developers reinforce their understanding, streamline problem-solving, and accelerate the development process
and references https://cointelegraph.com/news/11-chatgpt-prompts, possibly your fifth reference.

Well, the article says nothing of the sort. The article simply suggests 11 prompts for 11 assorted applications. The first is:
ChatGPT as a blockchain developer

I want you to act as a blockchain developer. I need your help writing a smart contract code for deploying a DAO, particularly for proposals that can only be voted on during the voting period, which must have ended for a proposal to be executed.
It does not give the reply. It does not say that blockchain developers are actually using ChatGPT to do this. And it certainly does not provide any evidence or support that they are experiencing 40% productivity boosts from the use of ChatGPT.

Now you check out one of the others. Does it say what Bing Chat says it says?
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Valjean wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 3:43 pmBing Chat and ChatGPT are two different things. They may use a similar software kernel, but Bing’s is set up to refer you to websites (I assume that’s because Microsoft only makes money on Bing when people click on links). ChatGPT does not include any web information after 2021, does not have access to court decisions, etc.
OK. So only Bing Chat, which says it uses GPT-4, specifically claims to be suitable for web search. So I won't criticize ChatGPT for not serving as a search engine. Is it fair for me to criticize Bing Chat when it delivers bad web search answers?
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I've been finding it very useful lately for certain excel functions, which previously would've been too complicated for me. My wife uses it regularly to summarize topics for meetings. She also uses it to summarize lengthy articles for herself, which I don't think it's a good use for (I would rather actually read the source material). It's an amazing technology but user beware of limitations. Like the internet, I think it'll be an incredible productivity boon in the hands of some people and unproductive, potentially harmful for others. Does anyone know of good courses for learning how to use generative AI? I feel like I'm only scratching the surface.
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strummer6969 wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:25 am I've been finding it very useful lately for certain excel functions, which previously would've been too complicated for me. My wife uses it regularly to summarize topics for meetings. She also uses it to summarize lengthy articles for herself, which I don't think it's a good use for (I would rather actually read the source material). It's an amazing technology but user beware of limitations. Like the internet, I think it'll be an incredible productivity boon in the hands of some people and unproductive, potentially harmful for others. Does anyone know of good courses for learning how to use generative AI? I feel like I'm only scratching the surface.
Could you briefly describe or hint about your method for excel functions? Do you paste in sections of spreadsheet?… Partly written formulas?…

I’m scratching at the surface too. Finding courses might be a good question for free GPT.
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I do not utilize AI, AI utilizes me.
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nisiprius wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:56 pm Is it fair for me to criticize Bing Chat when it delivers bad web search answers?
It is fair to criticize anything and everything.
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pizzy wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:32 am I do not utilize AI, AI utilizes me.
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tetractys wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:35 am
pizzy wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:32 am I do not utilize AI, AI utilizes me.
Don’t play the game? The game plays you?
I'm just waiting for it to kill me one day.
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pizzy wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:36 am
tetractys wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:35 am
pizzy wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:32 am I do not utilize AI, AI utilizes me.
Don’t play the game? The game plays you?
I'm just waiting for it to kill me one day.
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Currently only as a tiny portfolio tilt.
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TheTimeLord wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:43 am Currently only as a tiny portfolio tilt.
I wonder what AI’s actual tilt is these days? How pervasive is its use in say, the Fortune 500 companies? And how influential is it just within the investing industry? And then what direction or control do we have over that?
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I glad I got out of a tech field.

For repetitive, predictable tasks, AI is OK, but I think that it will be overused.

For some reason, most people believe computers think , and the name artificial intelligence promoted that. All that goes on is pattern recognition, and AI can perform well in the space well covered by the training set. However, those cases which are well outside the training set may produce very poor results.

Black Scholes was a good way to price options to allow derivatives trading. Long Term Capital Management (LTCM) used it to make a bunch of money. However, management figured they could make more money by going beyond the assumptions, which worked,
until it didn't.

I expect that the same will be done with AI. Somebody who doesn't know how it works will just trust it, and push it beyond where it should be used to make a bit more money, with potentially disastrous consequences.

I'm not a Luddite, but I have seen what happens when people who have the power, but not the understanding, start to think that they are smarter than they really are.

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I have not used it so far. Not because of lack of interest but because I understand the limitations. ChatGPT is sort of one-of-a-kind since it was trained using humans. That style of training doesn't scale. Additionally, my employer has restrictions on what we can use it for when it comes to work, because you are giving out information (potentially confidential) in your query.

This is a good intro to how ChatGPT was built.
https://mitsloanedtech.mit.edu/ai/basic ... al-primer/

If you just want to look at the slides, they're available here:
https://blog.ramakrishnan.com/2023/03/h ... was-built/
https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/ur ... 004482048/ (alternate link with pdf in comments)

It might be useful when working with a closed data set, e.g. using a set of user manuals to answer a customer support query.
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tetractys wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:43 am
snackdog wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:31 am We use it at work. For some professions it is estimated to already boost productivity 40%.
I can believe that. Last night I woke up with a test question for ChatGPT and it gave a pretty good answer:

Q: What’s a good chordal progression to move from C major to E Major?

A: A common chordal progression to move from C major to E major could involve using chords that smoothly connect the two keys. You might try something like C major (I) → A minor (vi) → E major (V), or C major (I) → G major (V) → E major (I). These progressions incorporate chords that exist in both C major and E major keys, helping create a smooth transition between them.

This is a good answer and close to 0 thinking required! Not only the simple answer is given; but also the applicable and extended useful method.

good googamoogy!! that sounds complicated as all get out!
I have never understood nor do I read music. I can read tab.
I just don't understand changing chords and notes that go with chords.
I have trouble understanding 'written in the key of C' and what that really means
and the rules of playing in the key of C (or any key).

I'm glad you understand this stuff!!
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