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Making a comparison to a third-party/external password manager (PM), for a browser-based PM, the machine itself (actually, the operating system PIN) is the main password. But few might want to use a long password to unlock their computer, although the Windows Group Policy Editor allows increasing from the typical (minimum) four PIN symbols all the way up to 127.

The newest Brave browser PM includes an option to enable Windows Hello to unlock saved password usage. Hello has three recognition options: facial, fingerprint, and PIN. The Hello PIN option, with, say, 20 symbols, could be considered equivalent to an external PM main password.

An external PM will probably have more features, but doesn't necessarily seem safer than the Brave offering described above, especially if the PM vault isn't encrypted. I've been using LastPass on my Windows 8.1 PC, and was considering changing to Proton Pass before buying a new PC with the Brave PM. Now, I'm seriously considering avoiding using a third-party PM altogether and, instead, using the Brave PM.

(Windows 8.1 hasn't been supported for more than a year, but I bought the new PC because I specifically wanted to use the Brave browser and enjoy it's ad-free and privacy features.)
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Please keep us posted on your thinking! I also use Brave browser and Proton (mail, VPN, drive, calendar).

I use KeePassXC as a PM and like the fact that my password data is stored as a file on my computer.
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WoostaGal wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 5:12 pm Please keep us posted on your thinking! I also use Brave browser and Proton (mail, VPN, drive, calendar).

I use KeePassXC as a PM and like the fact that my password data is stored as a file on my computer.
I ended up installing the Proton Pass extension on both of my machines and then downloading the Last Pass password data CSV (Commas-Separated Values) file into Notepad on my exporting machine and then proceeding to import it into Proton Pass. Then I quickly deleted the CSV (.csv) file from my hard drive for safety. Proton provides brand-specific instructions for PM exports and it was relatively easy.

The problem I had with using the Brave PM was moving the password data CSV file from one computer to the other. There are many ways to do this, but none were at all appealing to me. If my Last Pass PM had been on the machine with the Brave browser, then the CSV file would have been easily exportable to the Brave PM. And I hadn't realized that Proton happily allowed multiple machines on their free-PM. (Note: I recently upgraded to the paid Proton Mail Plus.)

(In the future, if I become so inclined, going from Proton Pass to Brave PM will be very easy.)

For now, actually, I'm a little more Proton-ed even than you. And I really enjoy Brave! It's like a walk in a quiet park compared to the din and cacophony of my Chrome, ad-riddled past.
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You are using Windows 8.1 on the internet and are concerned about privacy and password strength. Wow. You haven't had a security update in over a year. I don't get it.

Edit: I am glad you are using a password manager and a secure browser but you can’t consider any of your passwords safe if you have been on the web with 8.1 for a year. Once you get your new system up and running, take the 8.1 system off your network, change all your passwords, and smash true old computer hard drive. If you where my dad, that is what I would do for you.

First rule is to use a modern operating system and keep it up to date with automatic security updates.
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FatefulTanker wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:29 pm You are using Windows 8.1 on the internet and are concerned about privacy and password strength. Wow. You haven't had a security update in over a year. I don't get it.
Let's hope he is not using Outlook as well!
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Hopefully not Outlook using Microsoft Office 2003. Nice programs but it’s time for a change. I wouldn't touch his keyboard before unplugging it from the network first.
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FatefulTanker wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:29 pm You are using Windows 8.1 on the internet and are concerned about privacy and password strength. Wow. You haven't had a security update in over a year. I don't get it.

Edit: I am glad you are using a password manager and a secure browser but you can’t consider any of your passwords safe if you have been on the web with 8.1 for a year. Once you get your new system up and running, take the 8.1 system off your network, change all your passwords, and smash true old computer hard drive. If you where my dad, that is what I would do for you.

First rule is to use a modern operating system and keep it up to date with automatic security updates.
I was concerned too, but I have good anti-virus protection and read an article recommending keeping W. 8.1. in that case.
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anagram wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:36 pm
FatefulTanker wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:29 pm You are using Windows 8.1 on the internet and are concerned about privacy and password strength. Wow. You haven't had a security update in over a year. I don't get it.
Let's hope he is not using Outlook as well!
I have Hotmail (Outlook), Gmail, and Proton Mail. My intention is to eliminate all but Proton Mail.
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FatefulTanker wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:42 pm Hopefully not Outlook using Microsoft Office 2003. Nice programs but it’s time for a change. I wouldn't touch his keyboard before unplugging it from the network first.
My old W. 8.1 computer uses the Chrome browser. No MS Office.
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I want to have access to Google Maps and need access to Google Sheets. Is there a safe way to do this using Windows 11 with the Brave browser?
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pascalwager wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:26 pm
anagram wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:36 pm
FatefulTanker wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:29 pm You are using Windows 8.1 on the internet and are concerned about privacy and password strength. Wow. You haven't had a security update in over a year. I don't get it.
Let's hope he is not using Outlook as well!
I have Hotmail (Outlook), Gmail, and Proton Mail. My intention is to eliminate all but Proton Mail.
Thank goodness you are getting rid of Outlook and Gmail.

https://proton.me/blog/outlook-is-micro ... on-service
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pascalwager wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:07 pm
WoostaGal wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 5:12 pm Please keep us posted on your thinking! I also use Brave browser and Proton (mail, VPN, drive, calendar).

I use KeePassXC as a PM and like the fact that my password data is stored as a file on my computer.
I ended up installing the Proton Pass extension on both of my machines and then downloading the Last Pass password data CSV (Commas-Separated Values) file into Notepad on my exporting machine and then proceeding to import it into Proton Pass. Then I quickly deleted the CSV (.csv) file from my hard drive for safety. Proton provides brand-specific instructions for PM exports and it was relatively easy.

The problem I had with using the Brave PM was moving the password data CSV file from one computer to the other. There are many ways to do this, but none were at all appealing to me. If my Last Pass PM had been on the machine with the Brave browser, then the CSV file would have been easily exportable to the Brave PM. And I hadn't realized that Proton happily allowed multiple machines on their free-PM. (Note: I recently upgraded to the paid Proton Mail Plus.)

(In the future, if I become so inclined, going from Proton Pass to Brave PM will be very easy.)

For now, actually, I'm a little more Proton-ed even than you. And I really enjoy Brave! It's like a walk in a quiet park compared to the din and cacophony of my Chrome, ad-riddled past.
You could have removed ads with a blocker but you would have been left with all the data harvesting of Chrome.

I'm glad you are on Brave which has been de-googled.
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anagram wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:46 pm
pascalwager wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:26 pm
anagram wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:36 pm
FatefulTanker wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:29 pm You are using Windows 8.1 on the internet and are concerned about privacy and password strength. Wow. You haven't had a security update in over a year. I don't get it.
Let's hope he is not using Outlook as well!
I have Hotmail (Outlook), Gmail, and Proton Mail. My intention is to eliminate all but Proton Mail.
Thank goodness you are getting rid of Outlook and Gmail.

https://proton.me/blog/outlook-is-micro ... on-service
Yes, I agree!
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Neither Brave nor Chrome is supported on Windows 8.1. Virus protection can’t protect you. In no way should you feel that this old computer is safe to use on the internet.

You seem overly concerned about Google or Microsoft collecting usage data yet ignore basic common sense PC security. Rule one is a modern OS with all updates installed. Rule 2 is a modern web browser with all updates installed. Then comes password management and authentication.

I understand wanting to limit all the ads and data collection used for targeted advertising but it isn't as important as the basics. I’ve got nothing against these privacy related products other than their use of fear tactics to sell their products. Took me years to get a relative to stop paying Lifelock.

If you want to use google maps over a vpn and a privacy browser and print out maps and use a flip phone to keep Google from tracking you then go for it.

Proton seems fine but they most likely make their money on their VPN used for business security and for people to watch Netflix overseas and video/tv/porn without paying for it.
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pascalwager wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:46 pm I want to have access to Google Maps and need access to Google Sheets. Is there a safe way to do this using Windows 11 with the Brave browser?
What do you mean by safe?

What's wrong with:
1) start Windows 11
2) open Brave browser
3) browse to Google Sheets and use it

No physical harm will come to you :)

It's safe in many ways but I'm guessing you have some particular definition in mind, no?
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pascalwager wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:46 pm I want to have access to Google Maps and need access to Google Sheets. Is there a safe way to do this using Windows 11 with the Brave browser?
Would LibreOffice with it's LibreOffice Calc application work for you? It substitutes nicely for other spreadsheet applications.
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pascalwager wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:39 pm
FatefulTanker wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:42 pm Hopefully not Outlook using Microsoft Office 2003. Nice programs but it’s time for a change. I wouldn't touch his keyboard before unplugging it from the network first.
My old W. 8.1 computer uses the Chrome browser. No MS Office.
What OS are you running on the new PC?
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One concern about Proton Pass: Unlike Last Pass, it doesn't have a separate, dedicated, main password. It's part of an overall Proton account, so your Proton Mail password needs to be memorize-able, or otherwise accessible.

Proton has a long discussion about this with Recovery recommendations.
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anagram wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2024 10:33 am
pascalwager wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:39 pm
FatefulTanker wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:42 pm Hopefully not Outlook using Microsoft Office 2003. Nice programs but it’s time for a change. I wouldn't touch his keyboard before unplugging it from the network first.
My old W. 8.1 computer uses the Chrome browser. No MS Office.
What OS are you running on the new PC?
Windows 11.
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pascalwager wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2024 10:53 am One concern about Proton Pass: Unlike Last Pass, it doesn't have a separate, dedicated, main password. It's part of an overall Proton account, so your Proton Mail password needs to be memorize-able, or otherwise accessible.

Proton has a long discussion about this with Recovery recommendations.
Agreed. I would recommend KeePassXC.
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pascalwager wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2024 10:54 am
anagram wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2024 10:33 am
pascalwager wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:39 pm
FatefulTanker wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:42 pm Hopefully not Outlook using Microsoft Office 2003. Nice programs but it’s time for a change. I wouldn't touch his keyboard before unplugging it from the network first.
My old W. 8.1 computer uses the Chrome browser. No MS Office.
What OS are you running on the new PC?
Windows 11.
Well that's good. I thought you were still running 8!

11 Home or Pro? The reason I ask is that if you are concerned about data collection my MS then you should use Pro and set it up per one of the many guides on the net. Also Pro has Bitlocker.

Personally I use macOS but that's not relevant to you since you have gone with a PC.
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sycamore wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2024 4:05 am
pascalwager wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:46 pm I want to have access to Google Maps and need access to Google Sheets. Is there a safe way to do this using Windows 11 with the Brave browser?
What do you mean by safe?

What's wrong with:
1) start Windows 11
2) open Brave browser
3) browse to Google Sheets and use it

No physical harm will come to you :)

It's safe in many ways but I'm guessing you have some particular definition in mind, no?
I've seen reports from the past where Sheets didn't work properly on the Brave browser, but it seems to be working perfectly well for me.

As for "safe", my former concern may have been based on a technical misunderstanding, so I won't elaborate.
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anagram wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2024 11:05 am
pascalwager wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2024 10:54 am
anagram wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2024 10:33 am
pascalwager wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:39 pm
FatefulTanker wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:42 pm Hopefully not Outlook using Microsoft Office 2003. Nice programs but it’s time for a change. I wouldn't touch his keyboard before unplugging it from the network first.
My old W. 8.1 computer uses the Chrome browser. No MS Office.
What OS are you running on the new PC?
Windows 11.
Well that's good. I thought you were still running 8!

11 Home or Pro? The reason I ask is that if you are concerned about data collection my MS then you should use Pro and set it up per one of the many guides on the net. Also Pro has Bitlocker.

Personally I use macOS but that's not relevant to you since you have gone with a PC.
I have two PCs now. W 8.1 on the old one. W 11 on the new one.

Home, not Pro.
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pascalwager wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2024 10:54 am
anagram wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2024 10:33 am
pascalwager wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:39 pm
FatefulTanker wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:42 pm Hopefully not Outlook using Microsoft Office 2003. Nice programs but it’s time for a change. I wouldn't touch his keyboard before unplugging it from the network first.
My old W. 8.1 computer uses the Chrome browser. No MS Office.
What OS are you running on the new PC?
Windows 11.
Good deal! Once you get the old system decommissioned, you might consider changing your important passwords. As you can gather, I'm concerned about your old PC. I don't think that you need to change passwords very often when they are long and unique, if ever, but it certainly can't hurt after using an unsupported system for a while. Good luck with your new PC.
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WoostaGal wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2024 7:36 am
pascalwager wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:46 pm I want to have access to Google Maps and need access to Google Sheets. Is there a safe way to do this using Windows 11 with the Brave browser?
Would LibreOffice with it's LibreOffice Calc application work for you? It substitutes nicely for other spreadsheet applications.
Libre looks like something to consider--a backup plan if I should need to abandon Google Sheets.

You may already know this, but I didn't. If you reset your Proton password, it encrypts all of your Proton data. So, you need to have a Twelve-word Recovery Phrase set up beforehand: "kept in a safe place". This is the only way to decrypt your account other than uploading a decryption file, which also needs to be enabled beforehand.

Any and all Proton users definitely need to read about the password recovery process and proceed to create and safeguard the 12-word recovery phrase.

I read that Proton was working on having a separate password for Proton Pass.
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anagram wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2024 11:03 am
pascalwager wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2024 10:53 am One concern about Proton Pass: Unlike Last Pass, it doesn't have a separate, dedicated, main password. It's part of an overall Proton account, so your Proton Mail password needs to be memorize-able, or otherwise accessible.

Proton has a long discussion about this with Recovery recommendations.
Agreed. I would recommend KeePassXC.
Are you recommending KeePassXC as one's basic, sole PM, or just as a place to store the Proton Mail password (and 12-word recovery phrase).
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pascalwager wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:26 pm
anagram wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2024 11:03 am
pascalwager wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2024 10:53 am One concern about Proton Pass: Unlike Last Pass, it doesn't have a separate, dedicated, main password. It's part of an overall Proton account, so your Proton Mail password needs to be memorize-able, or otherwise accessible.

Proton has a long discussion about this with Recovery recommendations.
Agreed. I would recommend KeePassXC.
Are you recommending KeePassXC as one's basic, sole PM, or just as a place to store the Proton Mail password (and 12-word recovery phrase).
KeePassXC for everything. Sole PM.

https://keepassxc.org
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While Proton Pass doesn't have it's own password, it does have it's own selectable six-digit PIN with adjustable auto-lock. After three failures, you're asked to re-login to your Proton account.
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FatefulTanker wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2024 11:29 am
pascalwager wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2024 10:54 am
anagram wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2024 10:33 am
pascalwager wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:39 pm
FatefulTanker wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:42 pm Hopefully not Outlook using Microsoft Office 2003. Nice programs but it’s time for a change. I wouldn't touch his keyboard before unplugging it from the network first.
My old W. 8.1 computer uses the Chrome browser. No MS Office.
What OS are you running on the new PC?
Windows 11.
Good deal! Once you get the old system decommissioned, you might consider changing your important passwords. As you can gather, I'm concerned about your old PC. I don't think that you need to change passwords very often when they are long and unique, if ever, but it certainly can't hurt after using an unsupported system for a while. Good luck with your new PC.
Right now, I'm removing and deleting: bookmarks, extensions, files. Lastly, I'll be moving a minimum of files to the new PC. When I do get a new machine, I like to start from scratch and create all new bookmarks as needed, for the most part.

I'll also proceed to change many of my website passwords in the coming days. I just didn't want to paint myself into a corner as the Proton account password was being saved only inside the Proton password manager and, more usefully, the lingering, old-machine Last Pass PM; but, the Brave PM is now an important participant and my new machine has become what Proton refers to as a "trusted device".

Effectively, my currently evolving PM has become a Proton-Brave hybrid, but I've also learned about KeePassXC which might play a part in the future.
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pascalwager wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 1:30 am The newest Brave browser PM includes an option to enable Windows Hello to unlock saved password usage.
So does Chrome.

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Vulcan wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:36 am
pascalwager wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 1:30 am The newest Brave browser PM includes an option to enable Windows Hello to unlock saved password usage.
So does Chrome.

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In the interest of privacy, I'm trying to leave the Google ecosystem, as much as possible; but it's not easy, in my case. I need to use Google Sheets, but I had to add a non-Brave-inspected extension in order to cut, copy, and paste on Sheets.
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In the twenty years I've been fully invested in Google's increasingly useful cloud offerings, I have not experienced any ill effects of their supposed invasion of my privacy.

In fact, I trust them to keep my private data private more than just about anyone else.

YMMV
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Vulcan wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:48 pm In the twenty years I've been fully invested in Google's increasingly useful cloud offerings, I have not experienced any ill effects of their supposed invasion of my privacy.

In fact, I trust them to keep my private data private more than just about anyone else.

YMMV
Forum rules don't allow a discussion on this subject, so I can't respond.
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pascalwager wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:58 pm Forum rules don't allow a discussion on this subject
I am not sure this is true - these types of issues are discussed here regularly.
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pascalwager wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:29 pm In the interest of privacy, I'm trying to leave the Google ecosystem, as much as possible; but it's not easy, in my case. I need to use Google Sheets, but I had to add a non-Brave-inspected extension in order to cut, copy, and paste on Sheets.
Why not just use Chrome to access Sheets? All other browsing in Brave. Seems like a better option than possibly compromising Brave with a non-inspected extension.
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The tradeoffs should be considered. Which approach leads to the worst outcome? But at what cost?

Hmm, if only Blaise Pascal were around...
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pascalwager wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:09 pm
WoostaGal wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2024 7:36 am
pascalwager wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:46 pm I want to have access to Google Maps and need access to Google Sheets. Is there a safe way to do this using Windows 11 with the Brave browser?
Would LibreOffice with it's LibreOffice Calc application work for you? It substitutes nicely for other spreadsheet applications.
Libre looks like something to consider--a backup plan if I should need to abandon Google Sheets.

You may already know this, but I didn't. If you reset your Proton password, it encrypts all of your Proton data. So, you need to have a Twelve-word Recovery Phrase set up beforehand: "kept in a safe place". This is the only way to decrypt your account other than uploading a decryption file, which also needs to be enabled beforehand.

Any and all Proton users definitely need to read about the password recovery process and proceed to create and safeguard the 12-word recovery phrase.

I read that Proton was working on having a separate password for Proton Pass.
This may have become the present 6-digit PIN.
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CFM300 wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 8:23 pm
pascalwager wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:29 pm In the interest of privacy, I'm trying to leave the Google ecosystem, as much as possible; but it's not easy, in my case. I need to use Google Sheets, but I had to add a non-Brave-inspected extension in order to cut, copy, and paste on Sheets.
Why not just use Chrome to access Sheets? All other browsing in Brave. Seems like a better option than possibly compromising Brave with a non-inspected extension.
Thanks, and interesting. Is it problematic or difficult to often go from one browser to another on the same PC?
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Vulcan wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 8:18 pm
pascalwager wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:58 pm Forum rules don't allow a discussion on this subject
I am not sure this is true - these types of issues are discussed here regularly.

I've had two warnings, so I'd be walking on thin ice!
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pascalwager wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:26 pm
anagram wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:36 pm
FatefulTanker wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:29 pm You are using Windows 8.1 on the internet and are concerned about privacy and password strength. Wow. You haven't had a security update in over a year. I don't get it.
Let's hope he is not using Outlook as well!
I have Hotmail (Outlook), Gmail, and Proton Mail. My intention is to eliminate all but Proton Mail.
This is why you do not want to be Outlook.

https://www.theregister.com/2024/04/03/ ... /?td=rt-3a

It's hard to imagine MS doing worse.
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anagram wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 3:12 pm
pascalwager wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:26 pm
anagram wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:36 pm
FatefulTanker wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:29 pm You are using Windows 8.1 on the internet and are concerned about privacy and password strength. Wow. You haven't had a security update in over a year. I don't get it.
Let's hope he is not using Outlook as well!
I have Hotmail (Outlook), Gmail, and Proton Mail. My intention is to eliminate all but Proton Mail.
This is why you do not want to be Outlook.

https://www.theregister.com/2024/04/03/ ... /?td=rt-3a

It's hard to imagine MS doing worse.
This leaves me with a question: What mail service should I use for my Proton Password Recovery email address?
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pascalwager wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:58 pm
anagram wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 3:12 pm
pascalwager wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:26 pm
anagram wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:36 pm
FatefulTanker wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:29 pm You are using Windows 8.1 on the internet and are concerned about privacy and password strength. Wow. You haven't had a security update in over a year. I don't get it.
Let's hope he is not using Outlook as well!
I have Hotmail (Outlook), Gmail, and Proton Mail. My intention is to eliminate all but Proton Mail.
This is why you do not want to be Outlook.

https://www.theregister.com/2024/04/03/ ... /?td=rt-3a

It's hard to imagine MS doing worse.
This leaves me with a question: What mail service should I use for my Proton Password Recovery email address?
I don't use a recovery email address. I use KeePass XC to store the recovery phrase or file. One could also keep a copy on paper. That is quite secure if you keep the paper in a good place.
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pascalwager wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:58 pm
anagram wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 3:12 pm
pascalwager wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:26 pm
anagram wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:36 pm
FatefulTanker wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:29 pm You are using Windows 8.1 on the internet and are concerned about privacy and password strength. Wow. You haven't had a security update in over a year. I don't get it.
Let's hope he is not using Outlook as well!
I have Hotmail (Outlook), Gmail, and Proton Mail. My intention is to eliminate all but Proton Mail.
This is why you do not want to be Outlook.

https://www.theregister.com/2024/04/03/ ... /?td=rt-3a

It's hard to imagine MS doing worse.
This leaves me with a question: What mail service should I use for my Proton Password Recovery email address?
I like Posteo.
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Re: Browser Password Manager

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anagram wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:21 pm
pascalwager wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:58 pm
anagram wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 3:12 pm
pascalwager wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:26 pm
anagram wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:36 pm

Let's hope he is not using Outlook as well!
I have Hotmail (Outlook), Gmail, and Proton Mail. My intention is to eliminate all but Proton Mail.
This is why you do not want to be Outlook.

https://www.theregister.com/2024/04/03/ ... /?td=rt-3a

It's hard to imagine MS doing worse.
This leaves me with a question: What mail service should I use for my Proton Password Recovery email address?
I don't use a recovery email address. I use KeePass XC to store the recovery phrase or file. One could also keep a copy on paper. That is quite secure if you keep the paper in a good place.
This particular email address is part of the Proton recovery process--for their use.
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pascalwager wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 6:55 pm
anagram wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:21 pm
pascalwager wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:58 pm
anagram wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 3:12 pm
pascalwager wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:26 pm

I have Hotmail (Outlook), Gmail, and Proton Mail. My intention is to eliminate all but Proton Mail.
This is why you do not want to be Outlook.

https://www.theregister.com/2024/04/03/ ... /?td=rt-3a

It's hard to imagine MS doing worse.
This leaves me with a question: What mail service should I use for my Proton Password Recovery email address?
I don't use a recovery email address. I use KeePass XC to store the recovery phrase or file. One could also keep a copy on paper. That is quite secure if you keep the paper in a good place.
This particular email address is part of the Proton recovery process--for their use.
I know. You don't have to use it or provide a recovery email.
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Even as I write this, my old PC with the unsupported W8.1 system is undergoing an hours-long drive-cleaning and I'm now using the Proton Mail, Calendar, Password Manager, Drive (cloud), and VPN services on my new W11 PC with Brave browser and search.

One issue with Proton Pass last year was the password history feature. I understand it was 24-hours, at best, but has been increased to two weeks. I think I can live with that, personally.
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