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Marseille07 wrote: Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:46 am 1500 being the baseline is also a valid observation; I noticed some players having 3100+, that's higher than Magnus Carlsen.
Magnus plays on Lichess as DrNykterstein; he has a bullet rating of 3191 and Blitz of 3160.
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canadianbacon wrote: Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:09 pm
Marseille07 wrote: Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:46 am 1500 being the baseline is also a valid observation; I noticed some players having 3100+, that's higher than Magnus Carlsen.
Magnus plays on Lichess as DrNykterstein; he has a bullet rating of 3191 and Blitz of 3160.
Oh I see, I've seen the handle but didn't know that's him.
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willthrill81 wrote: Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:48 am I'm certainly not a great player. My bullet rating on Lichess is typically around 1900.
I can barely manage 1300 at bullet, so it's all relative :). I need to play/study more so I can power through most openings and any endgames if I'm going to play 2+1. It makes more sense for me to play time controls where I can gain understanding.
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willthrill81 wrote: Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:48 am I'm certainly not a great player. My bullet rating on Lichess is typically around 1900. It is true though that playing faster games exposes you to many positions and helps you to quickly recognize patterns, which is much of what playing chess is really all about.
Not sure...I've seen lots of gimmicky openings that don't work if a player knows how to defend them, but work because they're under time pressure. Personally I stay away from bullet.
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Marseille07 wrote: Mon Nov 01, 2021 4:18 pm
willthrill81 wrote: Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:48 am I'm certainly not a great player. My bullet rating on Lichess is typically around 1900. It is true though that playing faster games exposes you to many positions and helps you to quickly recognize patterns, which is much of what playing chess is really all about.
Not sure...I've seen lots of gimmicky openings that don't work if a player knows how to defend them, but work because they're under time pressure. Personally I stay away from bullet.
That's just part of that style of play. It's not enough to play the best moves; you have to avoid losing before the clock runs out.
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Marseille07 wrote: Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:49 am
canadianbacon wrote: Mon Nov 01, 2021 5:08 am Your rating will jump around more at the start because there is less data so your actual ability level is not known (your rating is provisional). Your rating deviation after three games is 247.31. If you lose your next game you'll lose a lot of points. The more games you play, the less a particular result changes your rating. Think of it sort of like a binary search, it's "finding" your true talent level more quickly this way.
Yeah, what was interesting though is that the opponent didn't lose 250 points or anything like that. When I was playing Yahoo Chess back in the day, the rating change was more or less symmetrical (you gain 10, the opponent loses 10 points). I am not too familiar with the Glicko 2 system.
There is a calculator for rating change for the ELO system here. The most points that one can gain or lose during a game is essentially their K factor. Most people have a K factor of 20. They have changed the K factors over the year to try to address the shortcomings of the ELO system as it pertains to establishing the rating for new players and to juniors who progress rapidly. Those players have a K factor of 40. These factors are for Classical time control. I believe Blitz and Rapid everyone gets a K factor of 20. I think this is simply because people can play a lot of shorter time control games in a relatively quick amount of time so that their current playing ability quite quickly reaches their actual ratings.

So, like you mentioned, if two players with identical K factors play each other the same amount of points are an offer for each player. If one player gains 10 points the other will lose 10 points. One can crudely calculate how many points are on offer in their head. Half of the points are based on whether you win, draw, or lose. So for a K factor of 20 that would respectively be +10, 0, -10. The other 10 points are based on the rating difference between the two players. The rating difference is capped at 400. So for rating differences (-400,0,400) one would receive points of (-10,0,10). Essentially, one gains or loses 2.5 points for every 100 point rating difference between them are their opponent.

So a case in point if you draw against someone rated 200 points higher than you, you will get +0 points for the draw and +5 points for the difference in rating. This is why often when people play against higher rated players they will play lines that lead toward a draw. The higher rated player, not wanting to lose points on a draw, will then likely take a few chances or try to imbalance the position to try to prevent this.

Anyway, that is the cliff notes version. And that is the extent of my knowleged as I actually don't know the long version.
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Glicko 2 was originally developed by Mark Glickman as his doctoral dissertation in statistics. I am not very familiar with the details, but I believe it may be Bayesian in nature. One's current rating before a game and how long it has been since a rated game was played are inputs to the prior distribution for the outcome of the game, and the rating after the game is a property of the posterior distribution after the game outcome is known.

As a result, ratings are not a zero-sum game in Glicko 2 like they are in Arpad Elo's system. If player A has not played a rated game in a long time, then a rated game will have more influence on the rating for such a player than for a player B who has played many recent rated games. For player B, the rating at the start of the game provides a stronger prior opinion, so the influence of the one game on player B's rating is less than for player A, whose rating does not reflect recent performance.
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halfnine wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 1:25 am
Marseille07 wrote: Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:49 am
canadianbacon wrote: Mon Nov 01, 2021 5:08 am Your rating will jump around more at the start because there is less data so your actual ability level is not known (your rating is provisional). Your rating deviation after three games is 247.31. If you lose your next game you'll lose a lot of points. The more games you play, the less a particular result changes your rating. Think of it sort of like a binary search, it's "finding" your true talent level more quickly this way.
Yeah, what was interesting though is that the opponent didn't lose 250 points or anything like that. When I was playing Yahoo Chess back in the day, the rating change was more or less symmetrical (you gain 10, the opponent loses 10 points). I am not too familiar with the Glicko 2 system.
There is a calculator for rating change for the ELO system here. The most points that one can gain or lose during a game is essentially their K factor. Most people have a K factor of 20. They have changed the K factors over the year to try to address the shortcomings of the ELO system as it pertains to establishing the rating for new players and to juniors who progress rapidly. Those players have a K factor of 40. These factors are for Classical time control. I believe Blitz and Rapid everyone gets a K factor of 20. I think this is simply because people can play a lot of shorter time control games in a relatively quick amount of time so that their current playing ability quite quickly reaches their actual ratings.

So, like you mentioned, if two players with identical K factors play each other the same amount of points are an offer for each player. If one player gains 10 points the other will lose 10 points. One can crudely calculate how many points are on offer in their head. Half of the points are based on whether you win, draw, or lose. So for a K factor of 20 that would respectively be +10, 0, -10. The other 10 points are based on the rating difference between the two players. The rating difference is capped at 400. So for rating differences (-400,0,400) one would receive points of (-10,0,10). Essentially, one gains or loses 2.5 points for every 100 point rating difference between them are their opponent.

So a case in point if you draw against someone rated 200 points higher than you, you will get +0 points for the draw and +5 points for the difference in rating. This is why often when people play against higher rated players they will play lines that lead toward a draw. The higher rated player, not wanting to lose points on a draw, will then likely take a few chances or try to imbalance the position to try to prevent this.

Anyway, that is the cliff notes version. And that is the extent of my knowleged as I actually don't know the long version.
Thank you, this is excellent :beer I remember Jeff Sonas analyzed ELO in depth and discovered that the ratings have inflated over time. This was a while ago and his site hasn't been updated for quite some time: http://www.chessmetrics.com
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People who play like this are really tiring. Why don't they play normal openings? I had to pull some Petrosian here and the guy left: https://lichess.org/qhMn9z7G/black
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16. Qh3 instead of 16. Qd2?! and white seems to doing ok there. Black's dark squares on the k-side are weak, and white has the only dark-squared bishop still on the board. This should give white an edge, though Black's extra center pawn is a source of counterplay, and f2 is a target.
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Northern Flicker wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:36 am 16. Qh3 instead of 16. Qd2?! and white seems to doing ok there. Black's dark squares on the k-side are weak, and white has the only dark-squared bishop still on the board. This should give white an edge, though Black's extra center pawn is a source of counterplay, and f2 is a target.
Whoa, you must be really good :beer I just found out today that we can directly link games like this, which is very nice imo.
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Yes, you can. Interested readers can review, modify, or set game preferences by clicking on the various moves and menu items in the right sidebar.

The target icon (2nd from left at the bottom of the sidebar) will start a new game.

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I can’t get past the 1980 rating hump on lichess playing 3 minute games. That’s with nearly 10,000 games played.

Ah well.
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Any training material online / offline? I have an old version of CT-Art, but I don't use Windows these days and I don't bother enough to fire up Wine to run it even if it is runnable on linux.

I found LucasChess which has linux distributions...but their training material wasn't easy to use, or maybe I don't know how to use it.
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Turned out we can download PGN even for anonymous games: https://lichess.org/LArW9J0q/white

At the bottom, it says FEN & PGN; that's where you can download it. I just had a good rundown checkmate after the opponent blundered :beer
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investingdad wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 7:59 am I can’t get past the 1980 rating hump on lichess playing 3 minute games. That’s with nearly 10,000 games played.

Ah well.
That's good. My 2/1 rating go up to nearly 2000 and then plummeted to the low 1800s, and that's with thousands of games played.
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investingdad wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 7:59 am I can’t get past the 1980 rating hump on lichess playing 3 minute games. That’s with nearly 10,000 games played.

Ah well.
From what I saw watching my kid play the 2000 barrier on Lichess is in general a tough barrier to cross. When people are at or around 2000 they appear to selectively play rated games only if they feel they are currently performing well. If not they will either play non-rated games, play at different time controls, or even play on other chess sites often for weeks or months.
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For anyone who wants to play Chinese chess or wants to learn, I highly recommend xiangqi.com. You can customize the board to use western style pieces in the form of discs. The rules are kind of similar also.
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Any predictions for the World Chess Championship? I am rooting for Nepomniachtchi to unseat Carlsen.
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Marseille07 wrote: Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:34 pm Any predictions for the World Chess Championship? I am rooting for Nepomniachtchi to unseat Carlsen.
It seems like Alireza has the best chance to be the next champion, and it will take him a few years to be ready.
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canadianbacon wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 3:54 pm
Marseille07 wrote: Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:34 pm Any predictions for the World Chess Championship? I am rooting for Nepomniachtchi to unseat Carlsen.
It seems like Alireza has the best chance to be the next champion, and it will take him a few years to be ready.
I've heard of his name but I wasn't aware how rapidly he's progressing.

Players come and go though. Not long ago people talked about Ding, Shankland and Vachier-Lagrave, but I don't think they're doing too well lately.

Hikaru Nakamura was also very promising but he turned into a YouTuber. I guess not everyone wants to be the world champion.
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Lichess is kind of weird. Even though it says 20000 games are in progress, when I play pick up games I notice I'm playing the same opponent over and over (from peculiar opening lines they play). The odds of this should be small but I notice this from time to time.
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Marseille07 wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:42 pm Lichess is kind of weird. Even though it says 20000 games are in progress, when I play pick up games I notice I'm playing the same opponent over and over (from peculiar opening lines they play). The odds of this should be small but I notice this from time to time.
Not necessarily.

First of all there a lot of people that are playing in tournaments. Lichess has Arena tournaments that run throughout the day as you can see from the Play drop down menu. But these are only tournaments run by Lichess and there are plenty of other online tournaments held by individuals, groups or chess clubs. For instance, recently my children played as part of a team in a tournament which had 30 teams and over 400 players. And the team they are associated with joins these types of tournaments almost every day.

And, then because of the various time controls, an individual's settings, casual/rated, and variants (although less so) there are probably a lot fewer people than you think that are playing exactly what you want to play within your rating range. Obviously quick pairing helps as it tends to at least greatly diminish the time controls the majority of people are choosing. Now, if you go the Lobby you will see the game requests that are available to you as they pop up (I assume these include quick pairings). I prefer to look at it with "graph" mode which can be selected by clicking the graph symbol on the top left of the table. If you play at the same time everyday and your rating is relatively stable you will likely see the same user names popping up from time to time.

When my kids were less than 1700 they would actually hang out in the Lobby and select opponents from there instead of using quick pairing or setting out their own custom game. This is simply because otherwise they got a lot of "?" in terms of ratings. And those games would largely be a waste of time. In the Lobby they can see the player and their details before committing to a game. Nowadays, they send out a custom request simply because they can select a rating range of their opponent. Typically they will choose -50 to +150 as that gives them the best games.
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halfnine wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:01 am
Marseille07 wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:42 pm Lichess is kind of weird. Even though it says 20000 games are in progress, when I play pick up games I notice I'm playing the same opponent over and over (from peculiar opening lines they play). The odds of this should be small but I notice this from time to time.
Not necessarily.

First of all there a lot of people that are playing in tournaments. Lichess has Arena tournaments that run throughout the day as you can see from the Play drop down menu. But these are only tournaments run by Lichess and there are plenty of other online tournaments held by individuals, groups or chess clubs. For instance, recently my children played as part of a team in a tournament which had 30 teams and over 400 players. And the team they are associated with joins these types of tournaments almost every day.

And, then because of the various time controls, an individual's settings, casual/rated, and variants (although less so) there are probably a lot fewer people than you think that are playing exactly what you want to play within your rating range. Obviously quick pairing helps as it tends to at least greatly diminish the time controls the majority of people are choosing. Now, if you go the Lobby you will see the game requests that are available to you as they pop up (I assume these include quick pairings). I prefer to look at it with "graph" mode which can be selected by clicking the graph symbol on the top left of the table. If you play at the same time everyday and your rating is relatively stable you will likely see the same user names popping up from time to time.

When my kids were less than 1700 they would actually hang out in the Lobby and select opponents from there instead of using quick pairing or setting out their own custom game. This is simply because otherwise they got a lot of "?" in terms of ratings. And those games would largely be a waste of time. In the Lobby they can see the player and their details before committing to a game. Nowadays, they send out a custom request simply because they can select a rating range of their opponent. Typically they will choose -50 to +150 as that gives them the best games.
Holy cow, I wasn't aware all of those tournament games are going on throughout the day, and that people outside of lichess can host them at lichess.

I know I should be playing more rated games but I'm still picking up anonymous games as I'm making way too many blunders :D
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Marseille07 wrote: Sat Nov 06, 2021 10:35 pm People who play like this are really tiring. Why don't they play normal openings? I had to pull some Petrosian here and the guy left: https://lichess.org/qhMn9z7G/black
I can't speak specifically to what your opponent played but I can speculate as to why you may not see normal openings. And there are probably two main reasons. The first is simply the shorter the time control the more gambits and odd openings you will see simply because they work. While it is obvious that the moves are inaccurate it is impossible to figure out why in a short period of time. The second reason kind of ties into the tournaments that I mentioned above. Lichess largely has Arena style tournaments. In Arena tournaments you don't play a set number of rounds. In Arena tournaments you play for a duration (often about 90 minutes) and the winner is simply the one who can win the most games in that time frame. The incentive then is to forget about one's rating and either simply win quickly or lose quickly. Winning quickly is typically done with dubious gambits, ultra-aggressive play, or pet openings where you know the thematics and your opponent doesn't. And then if the opening doesn't pan out try a few aggressive ideas and if that doesn't work simply resign. And, although you are not playing these opponents in a tournament setting, the mentality often remains.
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halfnine wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:31 am
Marseille07 wrote: Sat Nov 06, 2021 10:35 pm People who play like this are really tiring. Why don't they play normal openings? I had to pull some Petrosian here and the guy left: https://lichess.org/qhMn9z7G/black
I can't speak specifically to what your opponent played but I can speculate as to why you may not see normal openings. And there are probably two main reasons. The first is simply the shorter the time control the more gambits and odd openings you will see simply because they work. While it is obvious that the moves are inaccurate it is impossible to figure out why in a short period of time. The second reason kind of ties into the tournaments that I mentioned above. Lichess largely has Arena style tournaments. In Arena tournaments you don't play a set number of rounds. In Arena tournaments you play for a duration (often about 90 minutes) and the winner is simply the one who can win the most games in that time frame. The incentive then is to forget about one's rating and either simply win quickly or lose quickly. Winning quickly is typically done with dubious gambits, ultra-aggressive play, or pet openings where you know the thematics and your opponent doesn't. And then if the opening doesn't pan out try a few aggressive ideas and if that doesn't work simply resign. And, although you are not playing these opponents in a tournament setting, the mentality often remains.
A very insightful post :beer

What you're describing makes sense, since chess is a game where chess engines beat humans; this might be taking away some aspect of studying the game diligently, and Arena tournaments and the like might cater those who just want to have fun winning regardless of quality games.

I sometimes tune into those 1+0 games or even 1/2+0 games, I guess those pros are good but not so sure the quality of the games or why they play with such a short time control. It's almost as if they're playing a video game.
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At the GM level, 2 and 3 minute games are surprisingly high quality. Sure, there are inaccuracies relative to GMs playing at slow time controls, but they are more accurate at that speed than most amateurs are at slow time controls.
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Marseille07 wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:44 am
halfnine wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:31 am
Marseille07 wrote: Sat Nov 06, 2021 10:35 pm People who play like this are really tiring. Why don't they play normal openings? I had to pull some Petrosian here and the guy left: https://lichess.org/qhMn9z7G/black
I can't speak specifically to what your opponent played but I can speculate as to why you may not see normal openings. And there are probably two main reasons. The first is simply the shorter the time control the more gambits and odd openings you will see simply because they work. While it is obvious that the moves are inaccurate it is impossible to figure out why in a short period of time. The second reason kind of ties into the tournaments that I mentioned above. Lichess largely has Arena style tournaments. In Arena tournaments you don't play a set number of rounds. In Arena tournaments you play for a duration (often about 90 minutes) and the winner is simply the one who can win the most games in that time frame. The incentive then is to forget about one's rating and either simply win quickly or lose quickly. Winning quickly is typically done with dubious gambits, ultra-aggressive play, or pet openings where you know the thematics and your opponent doesn't. And then if the opening doesn't pan out try a few aggressive ideas and if that doesn't work simply resign. And, although you are not playing these opponents in a tournament setting, the mentality often remains.
A very insightful post :beer

What you're describing makes sense, since chess is a game where chess engines beat humans; this might be taking away some aspect of studying the game diligently, and Arena tournaments and the like might cater those who just want to have fun winning regardless of quality games.

I sometimes tune into those 1+0 games or even 1/2+0 games, I guess those pros are good but not so sure the quality of the games or why they play with such a short time control. It's almost as if they're playing a video game.
Another thing to be mindful of is not to take a Blitz rating of a random opponent to seriously as it might as much as 200 plus/minus points off. For instance, there is a kid who we frequently encounter around here. If you play him in blitz in an Arena tournament he will perform at around an 1800 level but if you play him outside the Arena format he will perform at around a 2000 level. His actual rating will fluctuate between those values depending on how frequent his Arena tournament playing is at the time. So, for instance, you could play him outside of an Arena tournament and see the 1800 ranking only to find yourself playing against someone who is really performing at a 2000 level. Alternatively, you could encounter him in an Arena tournament with a rating near 2000 only to find him performing around an 1800 level during the tournament.

HIs strategy is actually fairly effective for his goals as he finishes quite high in the Arena tournaments he plays soley based on the number of wins he accumulates. HIs blitz rating is also quite negatively impacted by the fact that in Arena tournaments he often (80%) berserks. This is when you play with half the time of your opponent (and no increment) but in return get an extra point if you win.
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halfnine wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:51 am Another thing to be mindful of is not to take a Blitz rating of a random opponent to seriously as it might as much as 200 plus/minus points off. For instance, there is a kid who we frequently encounter around here. If you play him in blitz in an Arena tournament he will perform at around an 1800 level but if you play him outside the Arena format he will perform at around a 2000 level. His actual rating will fluctuate between those values depending on how frequent his Arena tournament playing is at the time. So, for instance, you could play him outside of an Arena tournament and see the 1800 ranking only to find yourself playing against someone who is really performing at a 2000 level. Alternatively, you could encounter him in an Arena tournament with a rating near 2000 only to find him performing around an 1800 level during the tournament.

HIs strategy is actually fairly effective for his goals as he finishes quite high in the Arena tournaments he plays soley based on the number of wins he accumulates. HIs blitz rating is also quite negatively impacted by the fact that in Arena tournaments he often (80%) berserks. This is when you play with half the time of your opponent (and no increment) but in return get an extra point if you win.
That's interesting. The rating at lichess itself is also dubious as well; I wish they used more standardish ELO system like Yahoo Chess used to. The interface is much nicer though, we couldn't play those split-second moves on their Flash-based interface. The technology has improved for sure.
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Marseille07 wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:59 am
halfnine wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:51 am Another thing to be mindful of is not to take a Blitz rating of a random opponent to seriously as it might as much as 200 plus/minus points off. For instance, there is a kid who we frequently encounter around here. If you play him in blitz in an Arena tournament he will perform at around an 1800 level but if you play him outside the Arena format he will perform at around a 2000 level. His actual rating will fluctuate between those values depending on how frequent his Arena tournament playing is at the time. So, for instance, you could play him outside of an Arena tournament and see the 1800 ranking only to find yourself playing against someone who is really performing at a 2000 level. Alternatively, you could encounter him in an Arena tournament with a rating near 2000 only to find him performing around an 1800 level during the tournament.

HIs strategy is actually fairly effective for his goals as he finishes quite high in the Arena tournaments he plays soley based on the number of wins he accumulates. HIs blitz rating is also quite negatively impacted by the fact that in Arena tournaments he often (80%) berserks. This is when you play with half the time of your opponent (and no increment) but in return get an extra point if you win.
That's interesting. The rating at lichess itself is also dubious as well; I wish they used more standardish ELO system like Yahoo Chess used to. The interface is much nicer though, we couldn't play those split-second moves on their Flash-based interface. The technology has improved for sure.
I take a bit of different approach. Currently, I find the Lichess Rapid rating the most up to date reflection of someone’s current performance. And then this number can quite easily be correlated to a FIDE rating either in one’s head if one does it frequently enough or based on the chart that I referenced up thread. At the current time, most other ratings are currently outdated as OTB was largely non-existent for the last 18 months. And blitz ratings are subject to many flaws that have also been indicated up thread. Of course, as time progresses ELO ratings may eventually catch up, but for now Lichess Rapid (at least to me) seems to be the best indicator of how one’s opponent stacks up.
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halfnine wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:27 am I take a bit of different approach. Currently, I find the Lichess Rapid rating the most up to date reflection of someone’s current performance. And then this number can quite easily be correlated to a FIDE rating either in one’s head if one does it frequently enough or based on the chart that I referenced up thread. At the current time, most other ratings are currently outdated as OTB was largely non-existent for the last 18 months. And blitz ratings are subject to many flaws that have also been indicated up thread. Of course, as time progresses ELO ratings may eventually catch up, but for now Lichess Rapid (at least to me) seems to be the best indicator of how one’s opponent stacks up.
That's a good point. Lichess provides different ratings for different time controls, and I agree Rapid or longer would provide more trustworthy ratings.
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Strongest chess engines over time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wljgxS7tZVE

I remember the days when Fritz, Shredder, HIARCS and Junior were competing for the top spot. Stockfish seems like the strongest today, and what's incredible is that it is open sourced.
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Did lichess just add the dark mode today? Not that I had looked for this option but it's on the top page today.
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World Chess Championship starting on Wednesday and Game 1 on Friday. I think Nepo has a shot, as he's really strong in classical TC.
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Marseille07 wrote: Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:58 pm World Chess Championship starting on Wednesday and Game 1 on Friday. I think Nepo has a shot, as he's really strong in classical TC.
This will be the first World Chess Championship I'll be following in real time. It will be interesting to see how it transpires. Kasparov only thinks Nepo has a chance if Magnus isn't playing well. He also thinks the Magnus is currently not playing very well.
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halfnine wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:24 am
Marseille07 wrote: Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:58 pm World Chess Championship starting on Wednesday and Game 1 on Friday. I think Nepo has a shot, as he's really strong in classical TC.
This will be the first World Chess Championship I'll be following in real time. It will be interesting to see how it transpires. Kasparov only thinks Nepo has a chance if Magnus isn't playing well. He also thinks the Magnus is currently not playing very well.
Yeah I'm rooting for Nepo. Nepo is 4W 8D 1L vs Carlsen in classical TC, he has a decent shot imo so long as the series won't go to tiebreakers where Magnus is just unbeatable.
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Marseille07 wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:31 am
halfnine wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:24 am
Marseille07 wrote: Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:58 pm World Chess Championship starting on Wednesday and Game 1 on Friday. I think Nepo has a shot, as he's really strong in classical TC.
This will be the first World Chess Championship I'll be following in real time. It will be interesting to see how it transpires. Kasparov only thinks Nepo has a chance if Magnus isn't playing well. He also thinks the Magnus is currently not playing very well.
Yeah I'm rooting for Nepo. Nepo is 4W 8D 1L vs Carlsen in classical TC, he has a decent shot imo so long as the series won't go to tiebreakers where Magnus is just unbeatable.
Vishy and Kramnik have offered their thoughts as well, here
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halfnine wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:32 am
Marseille07 wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:31 am
halfnine wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:24 am
Marseille07 wrote: Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:58 pm World Chess Championship starting on Wednesday and Game 1 on Friday. I think Nepo has a shot, as he's really strong in classical TC.
This will be the first World Chess Championship I'll be following in real time. It will be interesting to see how it transpires. Kasparov only thinks Nepo has a chance if Magnus isn't playing well. He also thinks the Magnus is currently not playing very well.
Yeah I'm rooting for Nepo. Nepo is 4W 8D 1L vs Carlsen in classical TC, he has a decent shot imo so long as the series won't go to tiebreakers where Magnus is just unbeatable.
Vishy and Kramnik have offered their thoughts as well, here
Carlsen remains the favorite but I think people underestimate Nepo.

Nepo playing white in Game 1, if he starts off with a bang, he can win this thing.
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Game 1 underway...looks like a draw. Not a good start for Nepo.

I didn't know he primarily plays e4.
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I wonder why lichess provides an option to call it a draw when your opponent leaves the game (which happens quite often for anonymous games).

Does anyone really go, "Hmm, my opponent just left the game...I think it's a draw"?
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Marseille07 wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 3:40 pm I wonder why lichess provides an option to call it a draw when your opponent leaves the game (which happens quite often for anonymous games).

Does anyone really go, "Hmm, my opponent just left the game...I think it's a draw"?
I've never understood that option either.
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Marseille07 wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:21 am Game 1 underway...looks like a draw. Not a good start for Nepo.
I agree. Nepo apparently missed 21.Bf4, and after playing the move at 22, the game was apparently dead drawn. However, Magnus was perhaps a bit reckless with 8.Na5, though who am I to argue with one of the greatest players of all time?
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willthrill81 wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:31 pm
Marseille07 wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:21 am Game 1 underway...looks like a draw. Not a good start for Nepo.
I agree. Nepo apparently missed 21.Bf4, and after playing the move at 22, the game was apparently dead drawn. However, Magnus was perhaps a bit reckless with 8.Na5, though who am I to argue with one of the greatest players of all time?
Levy was talking about 8. Na5 as well. A very unusual move but Nepo couldn't punish Carlsen.
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Game 2 coming up; Nepo has to draw this one as Carlsen plays white.
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Pretty good Game 2 recap by Levy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcXcdoG0W2c

Interesting that everyone talks about 23 ... Ba8 but stockfish thinks that was fine and 24 .. c3 was not.
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Marseille07 wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:44 pm Pretty good Game 2 recap by Levy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcXcdoG0W2c

Interesting that everyone talks about 23 ... Ba8 but stockfish thinks that was fine and 24 .. c3 was not.
It was a very interesting game, to be sure. The match doesn't look good for Nepo yet to me.
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willthrill81 wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:47 pm
Marseille07 wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:44 pm Pretty good Game 2 recap by Levy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcXcdoG0W2c

Interesting that everyone talks about 23 ... Ba8 but stockfish thinks that was fine and 24 .. c3 was not.
It was a very interesting game, to be sure. The match doesn't look good for Nepo yet to me.
Nepo's tactical approach is interesting so far. I don't play e4 but apparently that's all he plays. E4 tends to invite open & tactical games than d4.
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Marseille07 wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:35 pm
willthrill81 wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:47 pm
Marseille07 wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:44 pm Pretty good Game 2 recap by Levy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcXcdoG0W2c

Interesting that everyone talks about 23 ... Ba8 but stockfish thinks that was fine and 24 .. c3 was not.
It was a very interesting game, to be sure. The match doesn't look good for Nepo yet to me.
Nepo's tactical approach is interesting so far. I don't play e4 but apparently that's all he plays. E4 tends to invite open & tactical games than d4.
1. e4 is all I play.
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willthrill81 wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:48 am 1. e4 is all I play.
I'm not a huge fan of e4 because my tactics isn't that great, and e4 often walks into the Sicilian defense.
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Marseille07 wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:59 am
willthrill81 wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:48 am 1. e4 is all I play.
I'm not a huge fan of e4 because my tactics isn't that great, and e4 often walks into the Sicilian defense.
Different strokes. I prefer the more open positions that e4 tends to lead to, and yes, one must be prepared for the Sicilian. Actually, I believe the French Defense to be at least as good for equalizing the position for black.
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