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teelainen
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magicJack question - What happens if you don't pay the 911 fee?

Post by teelainen » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:12 am

Question for you magicJack customers here.

There has been a lot of debate and controversy about their 911 bill.

What happens when you don't pay the 911 fee?

If you don't pay, will 911 still work on your magicJack line?

If you don't pay, will the police still be able to locate your home address if you call 911?

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Re: magicJack question - What happens if you don't pay the 911 fee?

Post by bob60014 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:33 am

Why would you not pay? MajicJack does not profit from this charge as it is passed to the local regulatory agency. @ $60 a year or whatever is charged nowadays to provide emergency service contact is cheap insurance.

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Re: magicJack question - What happens if you don't pay the 911 fee?

Post by prd1982 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:50 am

One Amazon reviewer said 911 was disabled if you don't pay. No idea if true.

Personally I hope Magic Jack is forced to disable the service if the person doesn't pay. I believe everyone with POTS, cell service or VOIP with a monthly charges has to pay for 911 to keep service. Why shouldn't Magic Jack users? I don't see anything controversial about this.

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Re: magicJack question - What happens if you don't pay the 911 fee?

Post by BuddyJet » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:56 am

Once enabled, the 911 fee can not be cancelled.

https://wp.magicjack.com/features/guide ... vice/#fees

If the fee is high, you might look at switching to Anveo.com through ObiTalk.com. Their fees are as low as $40/yr including E911.

You would need to buy a $50 adapter to replace the magic jack.
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Re: magicJack question - What happens if you don't pay the 911 fee?

Post by kevinf » Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:30 pm

911 service is required to be available through land-line and cellular phones even if there is no active service plan. If you simply need a way to contact 911 in an emergency without paying a fee, a charged cell or a landline in place will do the trick.

https://www.911.gov/frequently_asked_questions.html

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Re: magicJack question - What happens if you don't pay the 911 fee?

Post by BuddyJet » Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:03 pm

bob60014 wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:33 am
Why would you not pay? MajicJack does not profit from this charge as it is passed to the local regulatory agency. @ $60 a year or whatever is charged nowadays to provide emergency service contact is cheap insurance.
I use VOIP through Anveo and if E911 isn’t enabled, the line isn’t provisioned for outgoing calls. I use a line without E911 for incoming fax.
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Re: magicJack question - What happens if you don't pay the 911 fee?

Post by crefwatch » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:56 am

Actually, the wireless companies have done a horrible job of providing universal 911 with location information. But it is unreasonable to expect emergency services when you are not willing to pay for them. People who hate "taxes" should love "user fees." This is a "user fee." Please pay your share.

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Re: magicJack question - What happens if you don't pay the 911 fee?

Post by Silence Dogood » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:06 am

teelainen wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:12 am
What happens when you don't pay the 911 fee?

If you don't pay, will 911 still work on your magicJack line?

If you don't pay, will the police still be able to locate your home address if you call 911?
If you're concerned, you should probably just pay the fee.

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Re: magicJack question - What happens if you don't pay the 911 fee?

Post by IMO » Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:46 pm

teelainen wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:12 am
Question for you magicJack customers here.

There has been a lot of debate and controversy about their 911 bill.

What happens when you don't pay the 911 fee?

If you don't pay, will 911 still work on your magicJack line?

If you don't pay, will the police still be able to locate your home address if you call 911?
I suppose the worst thing that can happen is you call 911 and they can't locate you and you die. :sharebeer

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Re: magicJack question - What happens if you don't pay the 911 fee?

Post by iamblessed » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:20 am

IMO wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:46 pm
teelainen wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:12 am
Question for you magicJack customers here.

There has been a lot of debate and controversy about their 911 bill.

What happens when you don't pay the 911 fee?

If you don't pay, will 911 still work on your magicJack line?

If you don't pay, will the police still be able to locate your home address if you call 911?
I suppose the worst thing that can happen is you call 911 and they can't locate you and you die. :sharebeer
Or you can call the local police number. Is it that much slower?

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Re: magicJack question - What happens if you don't pay the 911 fee?

Post by rich126 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:28 am

For some reason this thread reminds me of a situation that happened in Kentucky or maybe Tennessee a while ago. A guy didn't want to pay the tax or fee for the fire department. Then one day his property caught on fire. The fire department did show up but they were only there to prevent any damage to the surrounding properties and let the house burn down. Some people thought that was harsh but it seemed appropriate to me.

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Re: magicJack question - What happens if you don't pay the 911 fee?

Post by IMO » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:59 pm

iamblessed wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:20 am
IMO wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:46 pm
teelainen wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:12 am
Question for you magicJack customers here.

There has been a lot of debate and controversy about their 911 bill.

What happens when you don't pay the 911 fee?

If you don't pay, will 911 still work on your magicJack line?

If you don't pay, will the police still be able to locate your home address if you call 911?
I suppose the worst thing that can happen is you call 911 and they can't locate you and you die. :sharebeer
Or you can call the local police number. Is it that much slower?
I do think that is an option. I wonder if the local police number is always answered around the clock? I could see it answered during normal business hours and then after hours it has a message that says, "if this is an emergency call 911" because I suspect 911 call centers are not staffed within the actual police dept ? ?

It would be important to also have the number posted and visible at the house. In an emergency you'd want to have that number ready and visible, and if you had an emergency in your house and were physically/mentally (ie. stroke) unable to call that number you would want any other person who happened to be at the house that could help you know the number (as they naturally would call 911).

My other question to OP, do you not have a cell phone to call 911? I believe you don't even need active cell phone service to reach 911, or at least that's what I've heard. But I can see situations where cell service isn't always available in some remote areas.

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Re: magicJack question - What happens if you don't pay the 911 fee?

Post by Helo80 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:02 pm

bob60014 wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:33 am
Why would you not pay?


Because fees are critical and this could be the difference between retiring at age 50 or 70.

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Re: magicJack question - What happens if you don't pay the 911 fee?

Post by 02nz » Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:04 pm

rich126 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:28 am
For some reason this thread reminds me of a situation that happened in Kentucky or maybe Tennessee a while ago. A guy didn't want to pay the tax or fee for the fire department. Then one day his property caught on fire. The fire department did show up but they were only there to prevent any damage to the surrounding properties and let the house burn down. Some people thought that was harsh but it seemed appropriate to me.
Can you provide a source? That would seem an egregious dereliction of duty, even though I agree that everybody should pay for public services. I'm a bit skeptical this isn't an urban legend.

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Re: magicJack question - What happens if you don't pay the 911 fee?

Post by lazydavid » Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:11 pm

Helo80 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:02 pm
bob60014 wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:33 am
Why would you not pay?
Because fees are critical and this could be the difference between retiring at age 50 or 70.
Absurd hyperbole (which I'm hoping was your intention?). There is no scenario in which being short $2,459.73 at age 50* would mean a person would have to work an additional two decades.

*Assumes a fee of $60/year paid from age 30 to age 50, which misses out on market CAGR of 7%.
Last edited by lazydavid on Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Re: magicJack question - What happens if you don't pay the 911 fee?

Post by Helo80 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:15 pm

lazydavid wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:11 pm
Helo80 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:02 pm
bob60014 wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:33 am
Why would you not pay?
Because fees are critical and this could be the difference between retiring at age 50 or 70.
Absurd hyperbole. There is no scenario in which being short $2,459.73 at age 50* would mean a person would have to work an additional two decades.

*Assumes a fee of $60/year paid from age 30 to age 50, which misses out on market CAGR of 7%.


Welcome to BHs, my friend. Fees are everything. :)

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Re: magicJack question - What happens if you don't pay the 911 fee?

Post by Iridium » Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:04 pm

02nz wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:04 pm
rich126 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:28 am
For some reason this thread reminds me of a situation that happened in Kentucky or maybe Tennessee a while ago. A guy didn't want to pay the tax or fee for the fire department. Then one day his property caught on fire. The fire department did show up but they were only there to prevent any damage to the surrounding properties and let the house burn down. Some people thought that was harsh but it seemed appropriate to me.
Can you provide a source? That would seem an egregious dereliction of duty, even though I agree that everybody should pay for public services. I'm a bit skeptical this isn't an urban legend.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way ... house-burn

I think I had heard that the policy was that the fire department will rescue lives regardless, so they aren't totally derelecting their duty. It is also the only specific example I was able to find of a fire department allowing a house to burn to the ground. Since most live in areas with mandatory taxes for fire and the rest mostly have mortgages and/or insurance that would presumably mandate paying the fee, there are probably very few people who actually get to choose not to pay. But, the occasional house does need to be allowed to burn to ensure that mortgage and insurance companies will continue to mandate the fee.

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Re: magicJack question - What happens if you don't pay the 911 fee?

Post by quantAndHold » Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:11 pm

iamblessed wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:20 am
IMO wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:46 pm
teelainen wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:12 am
Question for you magicJack customers here.

There has been a lot of debate and controversy about their 911 bill.

What happens when you don't pay the 911 fee?

If you don't pay, will 911 still work on your magicJack line?

If you don't pay, will the police still be able to locate your home address if you call 911?
I suppose the worst thing that can happen is you call 911 and they can't locate you and you die. :sharebeer
Or you can call the local police number. Is it that much slower?
In most 911 systems, calls to 911 and calls to the nonemergency police number go to the same place, but 911 calls are answered first. Nonemergency calls are answered as time permits.

So yes, it is slower.
Yes, I’m really that pedantic.

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Re: magicJack question - What happens if you don't pay the 911 fee?

Post by rich126 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:45 pm

02nz wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:04 pm
rich126 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:28 am
For some reason this thread reminds me of a situation that happened in Kentucky or maybe Tennessee a while ago. A guy didn't want to pay the tax or fee for the fire department. Then one day his property caught on fire. The fire department did show up but they were only there to prevent any damage to the surrounding properties and let the house burn down. Some people thought that was harsh but it seemed appropriate to me.
Can you provide a source? That would seem an egregious dereliction of duty, even though I agree that everybody should pay for public services. I'm a bit skeptical this isn't an urban legend.
Comes up quickly in a google search.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39516346/ns/u ... vpE2GhKiUk

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