How old is your cellphone?

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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by 22twain » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:56 pm

I bought my iPhone 5S more than four years ago, and it was a nearly two-year-old model then. It won't support iOS 13 which is coming out shortly, so I'm looking to replace it.

My wife still has a tiny Nokia non-smartphone (not even a flip phone) that must be at least 10 years old. It works only with 3G networks, and Consumer Cellular has notified her that AT&T and Verizon will be phasing out those networks during the next couple of years. So she's looking to replace it.
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My wife is thinking about an iPhone 10 XR and was waiting for a price drop after Apple's event yesterday, but the low end iPhone 11 might be a similar deal, we'll see.
The XR is now $600, reduced from $750. The new 11 is $700. As far as I can tell, the main improvements in the 11 are:
  • faster processor
  • dual-lens rear camera (Wide and Ultra Wide)
  • slightly longer battery time
  • slightly better water resistance
I'll probably go with the XR in the next few days, and hand the 5S down to my wife. After she's used it for a bit, she can decide whether to upgrade to a newer model.
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Post by lazydavid » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:18 pm

Note 10+ is a bit less than a month old at this point. The Note 8 it replaced went to my son, and the V20 he had gotten from me previously has now been demoted to being a dedicated media player. Used a BOGO sale to also replace my father-in-law's S7 with a Note 10+.

We tend to keep phones active for about four years, though I upgrade every two and my son takes the latter 2 of the 4 years on mine.

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Post by finfire » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:21 pm

2 weeks old. Samsung S10.

Previous S7 was 3 years old...got too slow.

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Post by fposte » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:30 pm

Four years old, iPhone 6S. I love my phone. However, I have small hands and joint issues, so I'm going to avoid upgrading as long as possible, since all upgrades would be bigger and heavier.

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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by Tortoisesque » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:43 pm

I use an iPhone 7 Plus that I bought three years ago. Still plenty fast for email, web browsing, contactless payments, and streaming TV/video. So no reason to upgrade yet. Maybe if the 2020 iPhones have something special that gives them a real "wow factor," I'll finally upgrade.

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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by mhc » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:56 pm

Galaxy S10+ March 2019. Love it. I'll probably get a new phone in a couple of years. Need a good phone to play games, watch videos, listen to music, take photos and videos, ....

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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by mattshwink » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:22 pm

OnePlus 6t bought in January of this year. Replaced a Note 4 I had for four years (dropped it in the garage and shattered the screen while watching a video on how to fix the snowblower - snowblower was fixed but needed a new phone). I hope to have the 6t for four years as well.

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Re: Like my SE, but...

Post by OrderAndChaos » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:24 pm

Bogle7 wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:37 pm
OrderAndChaos wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:39 pm
My iPhone SE is about 3.5 years old. I hope to keep it long enough for Apple to realize there's still a market for a phone that fits in your pocket.
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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by student » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:50 pm

I have an iphone 6s and I am still relatively happy with it.

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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by surfstar » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:54 pm

Moto G5 + (+ I think?)

Less than two years old b/c we buy lagging technology, especially for phones. Was ~$140 for a new unlocked one. No need to upgrade yet - battery life is still great; amazing actually when we're out camping/backpacking w/o service and use airplane mode and occasional GPS use, route/beta lookup, etc - battery lasts for days like that, left on full time even.

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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by jebmke » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:55 pm

9liner wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:24 pm
Time spent in $30,000 car = 40 min
Time spent using phone to accomplish multiple tasks: immeasurable
Hopefully not at the same time. If you are driving in MD, let me know so I can BOLO.
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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by msi » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:58 pm

iPhone X, about two years old.

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Post by Hector » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:07 pm

MortgageOnBlack wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:13 pm
Currently running an iPhone 6 (purchased December 2014) With software support ending on it shortly, I’m starting to get the itch to pull the trigger on a new device, but I would hate to do so because my device is still working.

Do other bogleheads push their devices past their software support? Any concerns about security? What old phone do you have?
Where do I find information about apple's dropping support calendar?

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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by Ron Ronnerson » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:25 pm

I have an iPhone 6s that's about 4 years old. It still works fine so no plans to replace it just yet.

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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by MortgageOnBlack » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:34 pm

I ran some quick calculations and it appears that, based on various Apple iPhone model cost and anticipated support life, Apple is trying to suck ~$150 cost of device per year minimum from users who keep their devices to end of support. iPhone 11 appears to fair slightly better cost of ownership, assuming minimum 5 years of support per CPU. Every year a new release happens, the previous generation of iPhone appears to drop around $150 per year.
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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by MortgageOnBlack » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:35 pm

Hector wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:07 pm
MortgageOnBlack wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:13 pm
Currently running an iPhone 6 (purchased December 2014) With software support ending on it shortly, I’m starting to get the itch to pull the trigger on a new device, but I would hate to do so because my device is still working.

Do other bogleheads push their devices past their software support? Any concerns about security? What old phone do you have?
Where do I find information about apple's dropping support calendar?
If you search the web for iOS version support history, most iPhone models are supported for around 5 years

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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by Hector » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:39 pm

MortgageOnBlack wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:35 pm
Hector wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:07 pm
MortgageOnBlack wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:13 pm
Currently running an iPhone 6 (purchased December 2014) With software support ending on it shortly, I’m starting to get the itch to pull the trigger on a new device, but I would hate to do so because my device is still working.

Do other bogleheads push their devices past their software support? Any concerns about security? What old phone do you have?
Where do I find information about apple's dropping support calendar?
If you search for iOS version support history, most iPhone models are supported for around 5 years
Thank you.

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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by Mlm » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:40 pm

I have an iphone 6 and my battery is still at 91%. I plan to keep it for at least another year, maybe longer

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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by GerryL » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:46 pm

Recently bought an iPhone 7 (from Consumer Cellular) to replace my 5yo 5c for everyday use. The little blue 5c now functions as an iPod touch around the house. And I have equipped it with my european SIM (from LeFrenchMobile) so I don’t have to keep swapping out SIMs when I’m traveling.

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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by Hector » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:53 pm

9liner wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:24 pm
2 year-old iPhone 8. It still works fine but I’m going to upgrade to the 11 for the larger screen real estate. I used to balk at replacing cell phones until I realized just how intertwined it is with my everyday life. People will spend $30,000 on a car they drive one hour per day but gasp at a cell phone purchase. Just today for instance, I used my phone to reserve parking at the airport, provide me the quickest route to the airport, pay for parking, check-in, upgrade and download an electronic boarding pass, pay for coffee in the terminal, and board my flight.

Time spent in $30,000 car = 40 min
Time spent using phone to accomplish multiple tasks: immeasurable

There is nothing that I find more essential to my productivity on a day-to-day basis than my phone. Maybe that’s why I don’t mind spending the dough.
I am sure I can lot of these things with my iPhone 5s. Not paying for coffee though. I don't think its inconvenience to pay with card and not with phone. I don't think there is anything wrong in buying the newest phones when you can afford it.

I think buying newest phone is not a need. It is a want. If I am not saving enough for my retirement, It does not make sense for me to buy latest phones. I don't see how buying the newest phone improves my quality of life.

About larger screen, I don't get excited about the fact that my phone size will go larger when my current phone stops working.

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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by Random Musings » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:03 pm

I got some piece of junk that cost $10.60 with tax. I use it to call and text, I text rarely and prefer to talk. I've had it for five years and plan to get another year out of it. No desire to surf the net with phone, with all the other devices/resources at home and work to do that, I prefer down time from always being connected. When out in public, I see a growing percentage of people staring at their phones. The art of conversation is dying. And when people do, they seem to boast more, Facebook style. Everything is awesome.

However, my wife and oldest child have "smart phones". I'll probably get one of those later, but they really are too big to fit comfortably in a pocket.

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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by Bogle7 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:37 pm

Random Musings wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:03 pm
I'll probably get one [smart phone] of those later, but they really are too big to fit comfortably in a pocket.
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Re: How old is your cellphone? Security

Post by SandysDad » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:41 pm

There are security issues. The iOS12 emergency update this year was pretty scary. Basically they could get access to almost anything on your phone just from you visiting a website.... don’t need to click. Just visit.

If your phone gets so old you can’t update it you run the risk of someone being able to do anything you can do with your phone remotely. This assumes a new hack comes out from this fixed hack.

Details here
https://www.google.com/amp/s/techcrunch ... acked/amp/

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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by Ron » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:03 pm

Samsung S10e ; purchased one each for wife/me, earlier this year.

Each had a Samsung J5 for a few years; however only having 16G memory started to be a problem a bit over a year ago. The S10e w/256G (16x the J7) eliminated that problem easily.

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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by Beensabu » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:07 pm

iPhone 3GS

At this point, it's calls, text, map + low res pics. Bare bones data + desperation browser only. Still works. Nothing to hack.
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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by Mickey7 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:15 pm

iPhone 6 SE - 3 years. It meets all my needs and my pocket.

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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by whodidntante » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:23 pm

Bogle7 wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:37 pm
Remember, cargo shorts are always in style
I will agree that they are as in style now as they ever were. That's as far as I'm coming though.

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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by Nicolas » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:52 pm

Two years old exactly one week from now. My wife and I both bought our iPhone SEs at the same time two years ago: $199 brand new at Target with 32 GBytes of storage. They had only two left and they were the same color. We have different cases so we can tell them apart. I got a black OtterBox and she got something prettier.

We like the size, I can fit mine in my shirt pocket. I’ll keep it until its operating system can’t be updated anymore. We use them with TracFone: We pay $6.55/month each for the plan and we never use all of our minutes/texts.
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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by abuss368 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:07 pm

Purchased an Apple iPhone 7 about a year or so ago. I stay a few models behind and never had a problem. Much lower costs.
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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by Afty » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:06 am

Pixel 3. About 9 months old. Smartphones are one of my indulgences.

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Post by 02nz » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:19 am

iPhone XS, purchased almost a year ago. Not going to upgrade to the 11, holding out for next year when iPhone is likely to get a physical redesign and 5G.

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Post by mapleosb » Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:07 am

OrderAndChaos wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:39 pm
My iPhone SE is about 3.5 years old. I hope to keep it long enough for Apple to realize there's still a market for a phone that fits in your pocket.
+1

There was also an eye opening article about cost over a lifetime:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-t ... 2018-11-01

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Post by Momus » Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:22 am

Oneplus 7 pro, with its cost + cell phone bill all tax deductible courtesy of gig economy.

$750 a beast of a phone.

No notch, 30 watt charger - 20 mins charge to 50%, 4000 mah battery, QHD 1440p screen, OLED display, snapdragon 855 (this thing is faster than most laptops i5-8250u LOL), 12GB RAM, 256 GB storage, UFS 3.0, triple camera setup 48mp, liquid cooling system, dual stereo speaker, fastest in screen fingerprint reader, double tap to wake, 90hz FLUID display, true multitasking with split screen.

I ain't buying no new phone anytime soon.

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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by HawkeyePierce » Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:51 am

I upgrade every two years. Currently using an iPhone XS (last year's model).

My employer reimburses $100/month for our personal cell phone bill and since I always finance my phones through T-Mobile I'm effectively getting my employer to pay for it. :D

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Post by onourway » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:02 am

Used to upgrade regularly, have held off the last few years very happy with my iPhone 7. Still works perfectly.

That said, I am thinking that the camera has advanced enough now that I’m considering a new model. The reality is that we take 99% of our photos with our phone, and we will only have young kids once...

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Post by Sandtrap » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:03 am

iPhone 7 plus.
Bought new for $$$ when it came out.
My first iPhone.
Love it!
Big screen for old eyes.
Full coverage case. Still looks like new.
Only fits in large pockets.

Have thought of an upgrade to newer but don't see much of a difference in daily function.
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Post by Coburn » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:18 am

My 6s is my first smartphone (Oct 2015)...before that I had a flip-phone for over 11 years so no stranger to keeping my phones for a very long time.

My next phone must be 5G so 2020 is the earliest iPhone I would consider...more probably, 2021 iPhone provided my battery (original one) manages to hold up.

I don't like large phones because I value easy one-handed use.

PS. Oh and yes, Win7 on all my laptops except one. :)

PPS. iPhone SE2 may surface 1st half of 2020.

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Post by abuss368 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:26 am

Will probably purchase a iPhone 7 or 8 soon so we can move our iPhone 6s down to our child who is still using an iPhone 4s. The iPhone 4s is really slow but works nonetheless.
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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by michaeljc70 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:37 am

I have a 9 month old Pixel 3XL. I upgrade when the battery life gets to an unacceptable level which I find is typically two years with my use. I wonder if people that can get their phones to last 3-5 years use them much (or maybe mostly for calls/texts?).

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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by Luke Duke » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:47 am

greg24 wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:16 pm
I have an iPhone 6 that I plan to use until it dies.

No concerns about security.
The world needs more people like you. Lots of low hanging fruit for the hackers to focus on and leave me alone.

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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by Coburn » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:04 am

Luke Duke wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:47 am
greg24 wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:16 pm
I have an iPhone 6 that I plan to use until it dies.

No concerns about security.
The world needs more people like you. Lots of low hanging fruit for the hackers to focus on and leave me alone.
Yes, when vendor support ends...you are vulnerable. But that can be mitigated somewhat by what you demand of your phone and what you store on it.

My CC info and my contacts is the only financial/sensitive thing that's on my phone. I don't do any banking/investment/etc from my phone.

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Post by abuss368 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:15 am

Coburn wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:04 am
Luke Duke wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:47 am
greg24 wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:16 pm
I have an iPhone 6 that I plan to use until it dies.

No concerns about security.
The world needs more people like you. Lots of low hanging fruit for the hackers to focus on and leave me alone.
Yes, when vendor support ends...you are vulnerable. But that can be mitigated somewhat by what you demand of your phone and what you store on it.

My CC info and my contacts is the only financial/sensitive thing that's on my phone. I don't do any banking/investment/etc from my phone.
Agreed. We do not either. Have an iPhone 7 and no plan to upgrade.
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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by Small Law Survivor » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:25 am

MortgageOnBlack wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:13 pm
Currently running an iPhone 6 (purchased December 2014) With software support ending on it shortly, I’m starting to get the itch to pull the trigger on a new device, but I would hate to do so because my device is still working.

Do other bogleheads push their devices past their software support? Any concerns about security? What old phone do you have?
My wife has an iPhone 6 plus that dates back to 2014. It's fine, with one exception - the speaker volume is inconsistent, and often drops to a volume that she can't hear when driving and using the GPS.

Yesterday, she went to the Apple store in Dedham, MA, and they couldn't figure out what was wrong. Apparently, it's a hardware defect, not a software setting. They are unable to replace the speaker.

So, I think it's time for her to get a new phone. Probably an iPhone 8 plus .....
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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by kajb1313 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:27 am

greg24 wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:16 pm
I have an iPhone 6 that I plan to use until it dies.

I also have a Windows 7 machine at home.

No concerns about security.


I am in the same position. I Phone 6 bought in Nov. 2014. Love it! Replaced battery once. Now down to 86% capacity. Will keep it until next fall when it will be 6 years new.

Dell Desktop Computer still running Windows 7 Home Premium. Probably will upgrade to Windows 10 as Turbo Tax will no longer support Windows 7 after 1/1/20. My Tech guy says its best to upgrade as I am no longer receiving any security updates.

My Philosophy: BUY NEW, MAINTAIN & KEEP FOREVER! That's the only way to get the most value for your retail dollar.

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Post by sandburg » Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:11 am

I have a Moto G EXT which is Ok at best. It hasn't been updated since 2016 (Marshmallow). The new iPhone 11 with 128gb is very tempting.

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Post by THY4373 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:34 am

I have a Nexus 6P that just passed the three year mark (I bought it near the end of the time it was for sale so it is actually four year old tech at this point). I'll probably replace with a Pixel 3aXL or 4XL this fall/winter when Google runs a deal. I have to replace the battery twice in it. The original battery in these had a defect and fails after a year or so. I got a off-brand battery and did the replacement myself and it was junk. Then got an OEM replacement battery which of course has the same defect so now a year later is failing again. On the bright side I should get $150 from the class action lawsuit for this. I have one more spare battery I'll likely swap in there at some point but I think it is time for a replacement phone.

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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by Alchemist » Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:44 am

kajb1313 wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:27 am
greg24 wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:16 pm
I have an iPhone 6 that I plan to use until it dies.

I also have a Windows 7 machine at home.

No concerns about security.
I am in the same position. I Phone 6 bought in Nov. 2014. Love it! Replaced battery once. Now down to 86% capacity. Will keep it until next fall when it will be 6 years new.

Dell Desktop Computer still running Windows 7 Home Premium. Probably will upgrade to Windows 10 as Turbo Tax will no longer support Windows 7 after 1/1/20. My Tech guy says its best to upgrade as I am no longer receiving any security updates.
Your lack of concern is not a lack of serious danger. Everything is digital now. You can use android or iOS, windows or mac or linux; but for whatever platforms you use it is imperative to keep them up to date. Running outdated software on your devices is like randomly leaving copies of your front door key around town with the address and times you are not home etched into it. It really is that dangerous. It is not hard to keep up to date and most devices have the option to automatically install whatever new updates become available immediately upon release.

I really cannot stress this enough to all the bogleheads that do not take their cyber security seriously. You are putting your finances and your happiness at risk with a lax view to digital security. How many people here freeze their credit or take other anti-identity theft precautions but use a smartphone or computer that stopped getting security updates 2 years ago?

If you follow two rules you avoid most danger for regular folks:

1. Keep all the things updated all the time

2. Use a password manager and 2FA (not sms based if avoidable)
My Philosophy: BUY NEW, MAINTAIN & KEEP FOREVER! That's the only way to get the most value for your retail dollar.
This is not viable for digital products connected to the internet. Yes, you can keep them for much longer than average. I have an iPhone XR that replaced an iPhone 6 that I had for four years. I have a 2014 MacBook Pro that I keep updated to the latest editions of MacOS. But there is a limit where the software gap makes something effectively "dead" for the purposes of security. This is really, really important.

Almost all the major breaches you read about are not because the hackers got so smart they broke through top notch security, it is because the companies were lazy/cheap and did not update their software to install the latest patches. Equifax, OPM, Target, Marriott, etc etc etc

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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by littlebird » Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:49 am

Don’t know. Don’t care. It works.

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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by MildlyEccentric » Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:58 am

I have an LG VX5500 flip phone. The phone came out in 2008. It can probably go a week without charging.

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Re: How old is your cellphone?

Post by MN-Investor » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:06 pm

I killed my iPhone 7 Plus when it was less than one year old. It did not like getting slammed in the door of the rental van. :oops:

So my iPhone 8 Plus is almost 2 years old now. I bought it to have a computer with me wherever I was. I rarely use it as a phone, but that's a nice feature when needed. :D

When my husband passed away, I gave his iPhone 6s to my younger sister. When I replace my iPhone 8 Plus (next year?) I'll give her my iPhone 8 Plus.
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