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Subaru Outback 2017 - 2019 Comments

Post by tomd37 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:02 pm

I am considering purchasing a 2020 Subaru Outback in the "Touring" trim line later this year when they become available and am soliciting comments from those people who have owned a 2017 through 2019 Subaru Outback with either engine offered at the time of purchase. I really don't want to get comments on model years prior to 2017. I have owned two VW Passat V-6 or turbo-charged station wagons in the past but VW wagons of that size are no longer available here in the US after model year 2010. I would like to stay in this type of vehicle and the Subaru Outback appears to be as close to what I want as I can find.

Up through model year 2019 Subaru Outback has been available in either a 2.5 liter BOXER engine with ~175 horsepower or a 3.6 liter BOXER engine with ~256 horsepower. For model year 2020 the Subaru Outback will be available in a 2.5 liter BOXER engine with 182 horsepower or a 2.4 liter turbo-charged BOXER engine with 260 horsepower.

I like the new options that will be offered on the 2020 Outback "Touring" trim line over those on the 2019 model, thus I am willing to wait until later this year for the 2020.
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Post by livesoft » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:04 pm

I have a 2018 Outback Limited 3.6R. It's fine. No problem passing cars going up a mountain by accelerating from 70 mph to 100 mph. At those speeds, it sticks to the road better than a RAV4 and a Camry.

In 2018, the Touring cost more than the Limited for nothing special. I think the roof rack and wheels were modestly different, so not worth the extra money.
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Post by Nate79 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:16 pm

Not an Outback owner but we have the new Subaru Ascent with the 2.4l turbo. I have been really impressed with the power of this motor - it really moves the Ascent and I can only imagine it will be even better in the lighter Outback.

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Post by Phaeton » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:29 pm

I have a 2018 Outback. While the 4 cylinder gets us where we want to go, I regret not getting the 6. There are times, such as passing and merging, that it seems to under-powered. At the time I purchased, it seemed like the right decision for fuel economy, but it realistically, there wasn't that much of a difference, maybe 3-4 mpg.

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Post by TxAg » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:00 pm

2017 4 cylinder here. No complaints.

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Post by BuckyBadger » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:21 pm

Nate79 wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:16 pm
Not an Outback owner but we have the new Subaru Ascent with the 2.4l turbo. I have been really impressed with the power of this motor - it really moves the Ascent and I can only imagine it will be even better in the lighter Outback.
Ditto - if it's the same as in my new Ascent you'll love it!

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Post by TheOscarGuy » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:49 am

tomd37 wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:02 pm
I am considering purchasing a 2020 Subaru Outback in the "Touring" trim line later this year when they become available and am soliciting comments from those people who have owned a 2017 through 2019 Subaru Outback with either engine offered at the time of purchase. I really don't want to get comments on model years prior to 2017. I have owned two VW Passat V-6 or turbo-charged station wagons in the past but VW wagons of that size are no longer available here in the US after model year 2010. I would like to stay in this type of vehicle and the Subaru Outback appears to be as close to what I want as I can find.

Up through model year 2019 Subaru Outback has been available in either a 2.5 liter BOXER engine with ~175 horsepower or a 3.6 liter BOXER engine with ~256 horsepower. For model year 2020 the Subaru Outback will be available in a 2.5 liter BOXER engine with 182 horsepower or a 2.4 liter turbo-charged BOXER engine with 260 horsepower.

I like the new options that will be offered on the 2020 Outback "Touring" trim line over those on the 2019 model, thus I am willing to wait until later this year for the 2020.
You may get better response on vehicle specific forums. Not everyone here owns one, but (most of them) on Subaru specific forums do own one :happy

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Post by marc515 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:36 am

We have a 2018 Outback Limited, and it is one of the best cars we've ever owned.

Ours has the 2.5L, 4 Cylinder, and it has all the power we need. It also has the headlights that turn when you go around a corner or curve, which is an awesome safety feature.

Starting with the 2018's, the side glass windows are laminated, and much quieter.

Take a test drive, and you will love it!
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Post by onourway » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:00 am

The Outback with the 4 cylinder is really under-powered, IMO.

Have you considered that you could pick up a lightly used Volvo V90 for close to the same price as a top-tier Subaru?

Or, have you seen that Buick has a legitimate wagon in the vein of your old Passat - the made in Germany Regal Tour-X? The deals on these are insane - with $10k off sticker and 72 months at 0% advertised everywhere.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/r ... st-review/

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Post by tcassette » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:46 am

tomd37 wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:02 pm
I am considering purchasing a 2020 Subaru Outback in the "Touring" trim line later this year when they become available and am soliciting comments from those people who have owned a 2017 through 2019 Subaru Outback with either engine offered at the time of purchase. I really don't want to get comments on model years prior to 2017. I have owned two VW Passat V-6 or turbo-charged station wagons in the past but VW wagons of that size are no longer available here in the US after model year 2010. I would like to stay in this type of vehicle and the Subaru Outback appears to be as close to what I want as I can find.

Up through model year 2019 Subaru Outback has been available in either a 2.5 liter BOXER engine with ~175 horsepower or a 3.6 liter BOXER engine with ~256 horsepower. For model year 2020 the Subaru Outback will be available in a 2.5 liter BOXER engine with 182 horsepower or a 2.4 liter turbo-charged BOXER engine with 260 horsepower.

I like the new options that will be offered on the 2020 Outback "Touring" trim line over those on the 2019 model, thus I am willing to wait until later this year for the 2020.
I have a 2018 Outback Limited with the 3.6 engine, and have been very satisfied with the quality, features, and driving experience. I can get 29 mpg easily while cruising at 70 mph. From what I have read about the 4-cylinder turbocharged engines that many brands seem to be adopting, they are rated to have good fuel economy, but in the real world have significantly lower fuel economy. This is primarily due to the turbo being used at higher RPMs to move a medium to large vehicle with a relatively small engine (accelerating from a stop, merging, going up hills, etc.). While turbocharged engines from many manufacturers have been reliable, they are of course more complicated and usually require more frequent oil changes. Turbocharged cars also tend to be less smooth and linear in operation than the same car with a 6.

The 2020 Outback is be on a new platform (used for other Subaru models) and the available turbo engine is new as well, having been used only a year on the Ascent. Also be aware that with the new larger touch screen on the dash, some dedicated physical button controls for certain functions like HVAC have been lost, meaning that you will have to go through menus on the screen to do stuff like change the HVAC temperature setting. I consider this a step backwards.

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Post by wriley4409 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:48 am

The 3.6 liter six cylinder engine will be dropped for the 2020 model year. The two choices are the 2.5 liter NA engine or the 2.4 liter turbocharged engine.

https://www.subaru.com/2020-outback

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/subaru/ ... ok-review/

https://www.topspeed.com/cars/subaru/20 ... 82968.html

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Post by livesoft » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:52 am

tcassette wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:46 am
Also be aware that with the new larger touch screen on the dash, some dedicated physical button controls for certain functions like HVAC have been lost, meaning that you will have to go through menus on the screen to do stuff like change the HVAC temperature setting. I consider this a step backwards.
I just talk to my car and don't touch buttons anymore. One doesn't even have to go through the menus. One has to read the manual and learn how to talk. Or one can get their dealer to teach them, too. Most people with smart phones can also teach one.
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Post by stoptothink » Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:27 am

tcassette wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:46 am
From what I have read about the 4-cylinder turbocharged engines that many brands seem to be adopting, they are rated to have good fuel economy, but in the real world have significantly lower fuel economy. This is primarily due to the turbo being used at higher RPMs to move a medium to large vehicle with a relatively small engine (accelerating from a stop, merging, going up hills, etc.).
Completely dependent on how you drive. With our tiny 4cyl turbo we actually get significantly better fuel efficiency (like 25%+ better) than EPA estimates, simply because we are smooth on the gas. If you don't have a lead foot, they can be much more efficient than the larger NA engines, particularly with highway driving.

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Post by Sconie » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:09 pm

I have a 2019 Subaru Outback Touring 2.5i. I find that the 2.5i engine has sufficient power (that said, at age 70, I'm certainly no speed demon) and gets excellent gas mileage----sometimes averaging up into the range of 33-34 mpg.

We've experienced a few "electronics" (i.e., Eyesight) type of problems with this vehicle---both with it, as well as its predecessor, a 2018 Outback Limited 2.5i---all problem instances which were repaired promptly by the dealer. Otherwise, I have generally been pleased with the vehicle, though I do remain concerned about the reliability and cost of repair of the Eyesight/electronics system once the vehicle is out of warranty. (As an aside, I like the size, style and AWD system of the Outback, only wishing it was as high quality & reliable as something like our Toyota 4Runner---then again, 4Runners are traditionally pretty much bullet-proof.)

As you may be aware, Subaru has been experiencing some quality problems over the last decade:

https://www.autonews.com/article/201811 ... end-to-u-s

If you "Google" problems with turbo charged engines, you will find that they run hotter and at higher temperature than naturally aspirated engines, frequently resulting in poorer reliability and, at higher mileages, significantly greater cylinder, piston and crankcase wear.
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Post by vshun » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:48 pm

stoptothink wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:27 am
tcassette wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:46 am
From what I have read about the 4-cylinder turbocharged engines that many brands seem to be adopting, they are rated to have good fuel economy, but in the real world have significantly lower fuel economy. This is primarily due to the turbo being used at higher RPMs to move a medium to large vehicle with a relatively small engine (accelerating from a stop, merging, going up hills, etc.).
Completely dependent on how you drive. With our tiny 4cyl turbo we actually get significantly better fuel efficiency (like 25%+ better) than EPA estimates, simply because we are smooth on the gas. If you don't have a lead foot, they can be much more efficient than the larger NA engines, particularly with highway driving.
I agree, this seems not to be just a rumor. I would trust CR testing in real life.
I have Honda Accord 1.5 Turbo which gets 37mpg mixed driving in DC suburbs whereas official EPA rating is 33mpg.
having said that, I also have Outback 2010, which is a great car but the engine - it is disappointing how little Subaru advanced engine power and fuel economy past the introduction of 2010 model last 10 years, where competition like Honda/Toyota made leaps and bounds. I am considering Outback 2020 but need to see CR fuel economy rating on 2.4 turbo engine to see if I can get 30mpg or more in mixed driving.

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Post by Nate79 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:13 pm

vshun wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:48 pm
stoptothink wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:27 am
tcassette wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:46 am
From what I have read about the 4-cylinder turbocharged engines that many brands seem to be adopting, they are rated to have good fuel economy, but in the real world have significantly lower fuel economy. This is primarily due to the turbo being used at higher RPMs to move a medium to large vehicle with a relatively small engine (accelerating from a stop, merging, going up hills, etc.).
Completely dependent on how you drive. With our tiny 4cyl turbo we actually get significantly better fuel efficiency (like 25%+ better) than EPA estimates, simply because we are smooth on the gas. If you don't have a lead foot, they can be much more efficient than the larger NA engines, particularly with highway driving.
I agree, this seems not to be just a rumor. I would trust CR testing in real life.
I have Honda Accord 1.5 Turbo which gets 37mpg mixed driving in DC suburbs whereas official EPA rating is 33mpg.
having said that, I also have Outback 2010, which is a great car but the engine - it is disappointing how little Subaru advanced engine power and fuel economy past the introduction of 2010 model last 10 years, where competition like Honda/Toyota made leaps and bounds. I am considering Outback 2020 but need to see CR fuel economy rating on 2.4 turbo engine to see if I can get 30mpg or more in mixed driving.
In our Ascent with the 2.4L turbo, heavier than Outback we get 23mpg in city stop and go and 33-35mpg on highway @ 60mph.

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Post by livesoft » Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:30 pm

For comparison, in the 2018 Outback 3.6R, I averaged about 26 mpg driving from around Houston to the Grand Canyon and back. Speed limit on I-10 west of San Antonio is 80 mph.
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Post by tcassette » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:11 pm

livesoft wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:52 am
tcassette wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:46 am
Also be aware that with the new larger touch screen on the dash, some dedicated physical button controls for certain functions like HVAC have been lost, meaning that you will have to go through menus on the screen to do stuff like change the HVAC temperature setting. I consider this a step backwards.
I just talk to my car and don't touch buttons anymore. One doesn't even have to go through the menus. One has to read the manual and learn how to talk. Or one can get their dealer to teach them, too. Most people with smart phones can also teach one.
When I have to sometimes repeat "Call home" 3 times to get the voice recognition to work, I appreciate not having to depend on it for essential functions, even after reading the manual and knowing how to talk.

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Post by vrex » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:44 pm

I have a 2017 Forester XT (turbo). Acceleration is very good as is handling for an SUV. I was not at all interested in the non turbo version. I hear they are underpowered, especially here in Colorado. It takes premium gas but it seems I don't drive many miles per year anymore. In 2 years I have only 8k miles on it.

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Post by tomd37 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:02 pm

OP here again. Thanks for the comments thus far. I appreciate you all taking time to respond with helpful information. In addition to the new 2.4 liter turbo-charged engine, there are three other changes on the 2020 Touring trim line that were not on the 2019 Touring trim line. These include a 180-degree front view monitor, an 8-way power adjustable front passenger seat, and heated and ventilated front seats.

I am still waiting for the new prices to be announced in this coming Fall. Just found out my daughter and her husband purchased a new 2019 Outback in the Touring trim line with the 3.6 liter engine. She had my former 2008 VW Passat wagon with the turbo-charged engine which she got in 2010 when someone ran a red light and totaled her 2001.5 VW Passat with the V-6 engine.
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