$1000 a month for life into a taxable account
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$1000 a month for life into a taxable account
Ladies and gents,
If one wanted to DCA $1000 a month into a taxable account (I would probably use Vanguard) for life, what 1-3 funds would you select and why? Assume that this is just an experimental/fun fund as an extra diversification play. Job is very stable, so are other sources of income. Appreciate your thoughts.
If one wanted to DCA $1000 a month into a taxable account (I would probably use Vanguard) for life, what 1-3 funds would you select and why? Assume that this is just an experimental/fun fund as an extra diversification play. Job is very stable, so are other sources of income. Appreciate your thoughts.
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Re: $1000 a month for life into a taxable account
Why in the world would you do that since you believe that real estate provides higher returns than equities? Or are you just asking for a friend?WanderingDoc wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:50 pmLadies and gents,
If one wanted to DCA $1000 a month into a taxable account (I would probably use Vanguard) for life, what 1-3 funds would you select and why? Assume that this is just an experimental/fun fund as an extra diversification play. Job is very stable, so are other sources of income. Appreciate your thoughts.
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1) Diversification.Pajamas wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:52 pmWhy in the world would you do that since you believe that real estate provides higher returns than equities? Or are you just asking for a friend?WanderingDoc wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:50 pmLadies and gents,
If one wanted to DCA $1000 a month into a taxable account (I would probably use Vanguard) for life, what 1-3 funds would you select and why? Assume that this is just an experimental/fun fund as an extra diversification play. Job is very stable, so are other sources of income. Appreciate your thoughts.
2) Real estate income already covers my living expenses.
3) Anticipate a big correction and sale prices. Of course, cannot predict.
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Re: $1000 a month for life into a taxable account
49% Total US Stock Index
21% Total International Stock Index
30% Int-Term Tax-Exempt Bond index
Re-balance on your birthday each year.
21% Total International Stock Index
30% Int-Term Tax-Exempt Bond index
Re-balance on your birthday each year.
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Re: $1000 a month for life into a taxable account
I like it. Is there a way to "set it and forget it" so that it automatically buys the same # of shares per month?
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I do not think the new brokerage accounts allow for an automatic purchase. There are some threads on this topic.WanderingDoc wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:18 pmI like it. Is there a way to "set it and forget it" so that it automatically buys the same # of shares per month?
The one way you could tweak it would be to buy toward your desired asset allocation each month. So if International is high, but a bit more US. If Bonds are low, buy more Bonds. This is our taxable account. I get paid two times per month, so I typically buy two times. I buy whatever is "out of favor". As your account balance grows, your purchases can't "right the ship" fully. That is where the rebalance one time a year comes in. Small purchases toward your goal. 1 or 2 re-balances to move it if it gets too far off.
It takes $50k to get Admiral shares of Int-Term Tax-Exempt. That means you need a taxable portfolio of ~$166,667 to get to Admiral level if bonds are 30%. Kind of a fun milestone.
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I would use 100% TSM. I assume you still mean that you would have access to tax deferred plans such as an IRA and 401K or the like? If so, I would try to keep it as tax efficient as possible. With 100% TSM (VTSAX) - you will have primarily qualified dividends as well as keeping high quality bonds in a tax deferred wrapper as well as international of which only 2/3 are qualified dividends. JMO though...
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I'm in the same boat with extra cash left over at the end of the month after maxing out 401ks/IRAs and paying off the mortgage. All of my 401k/IRA money is in lifecycle type funds that will automatically adjust asset allocation over time. I like this set it and forget it type investing. For my taxable account, I'm thinking about a permanent 60/40 asset allocation and the Vanguard LifeStrategy Moderate Growth Fund does exactly that. Would it be ok to just throw all of my extra taxable account money into that fund every month and just leave it be? I understand the "no bonds in taxable" sentiment but I've also read some conflicting information on that from I think the White Coat Investor. Is the Vanguard LifeStrategy Moderate Growth Fund really that bad in taxable?
Thanks in advance for any replies.
Thanks in advance for any replies.
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I calculate how much I expect to add into all of our accounts for the year and then determine the optimal investment choices and percentages for each account based on tax efficiency and cost and our overall asset allocation. That includes our 401ks, Roth IRAs and taxable. This year our money going into taxable is split 75/25 into Total Stock and Total International Stock. The Roth IRAs are 100% Total International Stock and the 401ks are Total Stock/S&P500 and Total Bond, and a sliver of Total International Stock. The only account that contains all 3 is my wife's 401k.
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I would spend the money. That would be a lot more fun and diversifies the use of money away from saving it.WanderingDoc wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:50 pmLadies and gents,
If one wanted to DCA $1000 a month into a taxable account (I would probably use Vanguard) for life, what 1-3 funds would you select and why? Assume that this is just an experimental/fun fund as an extra diversification play. Job is very stable, so are other sources of income. Appreciate your thoughts.
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Sure. Search 'automatic investing' on the vanguard website. It's dead easy to link to a personal banking account.WanderingDoc wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:18 pmI like it. Is there a way to "set it and forget it" so that it automatically buys the same # of shares per month?
I like the AA, too. Very much a 'set and forget about it' AA.
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Is $1000 a month really not that big of a deal to invest each month? Guess I’m screwed - whatever
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You can set up an auto purchase from a checking account. I do that. The system is set up to buy a set dollar value of shares, not a set number.bloom2708 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:24 pmI do not think the new brokerage accounts allow for an automatic purchase. There are some threads on this topic.WanderingDoc wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:18 pmI like it. Is there a way to "set it and forget it" so that it automatically buys the same # of shares per month?
The one way you could tweak it would be to buy toward your desired asset allocation each month. So if International is high, but a bit more US. If Bonds are low, buy more Bonds. This is our taxable account. I get paid two times per month, so I typically buy two times. I buy whatever is "out of favor". As your account balance grows, your purchases can't "right the ship" fully. That is where the rebalance one time a year comes in. Small purchases toward your goal. 1 or 2 re-balances to move it if it gets too far off.
It takes $50k to get Admiral shares of Int-Term Tax-Exempt. That means you need a taxable portfolio of ~$166,667 to get to Admiral level if bonds are 30%. Kind of a fun milestone.
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Yep. I currently do $18.5K into the TSP (90/10), 50% Roth 50% traditional. And a backdoor Roth IRA, Target 2055 fund.anil686 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:07 pmI would use 100% TSM. I assume you still mean that you would have access to tax deferred plans such as an IRA and 401K or the like? If so, I would try to keep it as tax efficient as possible. With 100% TSM (VTSAX) - you will have primarily qualified dividends as well as keeping high quality bonds in a tax deferred wrapper as well as international of which only 2/3 are qualified dividends. JMO though...
I do have 5 figures in a taxable acct, all in VTSAX. I suppose that is relevant, since maybe I should be putting in all international until it catches up with the VTSAX balance?
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I already spend ~$10K per year on trips.dbr wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:31 pmI would spend the money. That would be a lot more fun and diversifies the use of money away from saving it.WanderingDoc wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:50 pmLadies and gents,
If one wanted to DCA $1000 a month into a taxable account (I would probably use Vanguard) for life, what 1-3 funds would you select and why? Assume that this is just an experimental/fun fund as an extra diversification play. Job is very stable, so are other sources of income. Appreciate your thoughts.
I'm not looking to get rich quick (stocks), I'm not looking to get rich slow (indexing), I'm looking to get rich, for sure (real estate) |
Don't wait to buy real estate. Buy real estate.. and wait.
Re: $1000 a month for life into a taxable account
m1finance.comWanderingDoc wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:18 pmI like it. Is there a way to "set it and forget it" so that it automatically buys the same # of shares per month?
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In that case charitable donations can be personally rewarding. That can involve serving on the board of something worthwhile. Board members are generally expected to be significant donors as well.WanderingDoc wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:01 pmI already spend ~$10K per year on trips.dbr wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:31 pmI would spend the money. That would be a lot more fun and diversifies the use of money away from saving it.WanderingDoc wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:50 pmLadies and gents,
If one wanted to DCA $1000 a month into a taxable account (I would probably use Vanguard) for life, what 1-3 funds would you select and why? Assume that this is just an experimental/fun fund as an extra diversification play. Job is very stable, so are other sources of income. Appreciate your thoughts.
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I'm building up my Roth with my Ira. Plan is have about $240000 at 70 in 5 years. soo I will be taking out $2000 a month tax free. Plus SS with wife $4400 low tax. then the Ira will kick in a lot. I can live on just SS and Ira. The 2000 will be play time money most likely kids will get it.
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+1, I do the same thing except I am
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Re: $1000 a month for life into a taxable account
Not enough info posted to answer....
It depends upon what your other assets are and what you have (if anything) in tax-advantaged accounts. It depends upon your goals, time-horizon (age, retirement age plan, etc.) and risk tolerance.
You should look at your portfolio as a whole - not separate out a "taxable" account and come up with a separate plan for it.
If I were to assume you have no access to tax-advantaged account (for whatever reason) I would put a percentage in Total-Stock-Market, a percentage in International Total Stock Market and a percentage in Bonds - the Bond choice depends upon your tax bracket and time horizon. The mix of the three funds depends upon your risk tolerance and time horizon.
It depends upon what your other assets are and what you have (if anything) in tax-advantaged accounts. It depends upon your goals, time-horizon (age, retirement age plan, etc.) and risk tolerance.
You should look at your portfolio as a whole - not separate out a "taxable" account and come up with a separate plan for it.
If I were to assume you have no access to tax-advantaged account (for whatever reason) I would put a percentage in Total-Stock-Market, a percentage in International Total Stock Market and a percentage in Bonds - the Bond choice depends upon your tax bracket and time horizon. The mix of the three funds depends upon your risk tolerance and time horizon.
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This is all relative. When I first got started investing, $1,000/mo was a VERY big deal for me. I was also only making $24K/year.
30 years of career progression later, and it's not that big a deal anymore.
Bogleheads covers people at different stages of their life, and at multiple income levels. Don't be intimidated by the folks who have ridiculously large salaries or portfolio balances. The advice is the same, and the math works at all income levels.
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Assuming you have tax advantaged accounts AND assuming your fixed income is housed there, I would invest 60% VTI and 40% VXUS in a taxable account.
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Reading some old posts about taxable accounts and wanted to say that I found this very helpful, wolf359. Much appreciated. Easy to feel it's not worth it when I see so many seven-figure net worths mentioned. I need to remind myself that I am on track to do just fine.
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Yes Bck63! And also, for my kids just starting out, they had no access to a 401k, so their most important accounts were their Roth IRAs and their taxable accounts - and the most important thing was to get in the habit of saving something every month into that taxable account - even if it's only $100, then increases to $200, and so on.bck63 wrote: ↑Reading some old posts about taxable accounts and wanted to say that I found this very helpful, wolf359. Much appreciated. Easy to feel it's not worth it when I see so many seven-figure net worths mentioned. I need to remind myself that I am on track to do just fine.wolf359 wrote: ↑ Bogleheads covers people at different stages of their life, and at multiple income levels. Don't be intimidated by the folks who have ridiculously large salaries or portfolio balances. The advice is the same, and the math works at all income levels.
Our parents often did quite well investing regularly into a plain taxable account - a savings account. As many experts say, it's the savings habit not the particular fund that is the most important factor in building personal wealth.
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Just Total Stock Market Index fund