Opinions on 2019 RAV4 and/or 2019 Santa Fe

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Opinions on 2019 RAV4 and/or 2019 Santa Fe

Post by investor4life » Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:33 pm

I'm looking to buy either a 2019 RAV4 or a 2019 Santa Fe. Has anyone bought/rented either of these? Would be interested in your feedback on the cars themselves (not the buying experience). If possible, please include info. on trim level, engine (regular or turbo) and drivetrain (AWD or FWD).

Thanks!

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Post by Jeep4Life » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:05 pm

Can't discuss the 2019, however I drove a 2018 Santa Fe last October. Not impressed with the vehicle overall. It was the rental car version, so no turbo or AWD. My niece raves about how much she likes her RAV4 (pun intended), although I don't have the details on the trim level she selected. Maybe not much help, but it might offer enough to help others help you more.

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Re: Opinions on 2019 RAV4 and/or 2019 Santa Fe

Post by Sandi_k » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:09 pm

I'm considering the 2019 RAV4, but we weren't able to crawl around in it at the LA Auto Show last month. :twisted:

That said, our local Toyota dealer has a "rental" desk in their lobby - you can rent a Toyota for a day, or a week - separate from having your car serviced. Once the 2019 RAV4 hybrid is released, I will be renting both of them for a 3 day weekend, for a long test drive to see if I like it.

Your Toyota dealer may also have a rental service - worth checking out!

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Re: Opinions on 2019 RAV4 and/or 2019 Santa Fe

Post by Go Blue 99 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:15 pm

Keep in mind the '19 Sante Fe is a full redesign. I know some like to stay away from the first year of a new redesign.

I have a '14 Sante Fe Sport and really love it. I was originally looking at Acura and Infiniti, but the Hyundai provided excellent value and tech. And I've had no repair issues with it so far.

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Re: Opinions on 2019 RAV4 and/or 2019 Santa Fe

Post by Sandi_k » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:12 pm

Go Blue 99 wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:15 pm
Keep in mind the '19 Sante Fe is a full redesign. I know some like to stay away from the first year of a new redesign.

I have a '14 Sante Fe Sport and really love it. I was originally looking at Acura and Infiniti, but the Hyundai provided excellent value and tech. And I've had no repair issues with it so far.
Note that the RAV4 is also fully re-designed for model year 2019....

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Re: Opinions on 2019 RAV4 and/or 2019 Santa Fe

Post by TheDoorMan19 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:21 pm

I researched the 2019 rav4 exhaustively and the only reason I haven’t bought it is that I’m a miser. Haven’t test driven it but that’s on purpose - if I did I’m sure I would love it so much that I’d buy on the spot.

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Post by investor4life » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:41 pm

Thank you! I am aware that the RAV4 and the Santa Fe are both all-new for 2019. (And the RAV4 hybrid coming out in March is even newer, and that’s the one that really intrigues me as it is only $800 more than an equivalent gas-only RAV4.) But given the well documented issues with the CRV there aren’t too many other choices in the non-luxury CUV segment. The Mazda CX-5 is too small in the cargo area, the Subaru Forester is too boxy for my liking (that’s probably blasphemy on this forum :-)), and the Nissan Rogue is, well, underwhelming. We have been a Toyota and Hyundai family for quite a while (non-CUVs) and we like them a lot as brands. That’s why we are looking at the RAV4 and the Santa Fe now. Might look at Hyundai’s twin, Kia, too.

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Post by FriedFire » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:35 pm

I usually look at crash test ratings as one of my decision factors. Surprisingly the 2018 RAV4 has poor ratings on the passenger side. The IIHS site doesn’t have results for the 2019 model yet.

https://m.iihs.org/mobile/ratings/mobil ... 4-door-suv

The Subaru Outback is probably too boxy for your taste but it’s a pretty decent vehicle all around.

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Post by whodidntante » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:37 pm

My folks bought a new loaded Rav4. It's really expensive and Toyota neglected to include an engine.

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Re: Opinions on 2019 RAV4 and/or 2019 Santa Fe

Post by StormShadow » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:35 am

whodidntante wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:37 pm
My folks bought a new loaded Rav4. It's really expensive and Toyota neglected to include an engine.
Weird. When we bought our Rav4, I'm pretty sure it had an engine in it....

Hold on a sec, let me check... yep... there is definitely an engine in there.

+1 Rav4

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Post by steadyhand » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:26 am

We are in the same boat and feel the specs (mpg, cargo space, safety tech,reliability) of the 2019 RAV4 hybrid are hard to beat. However, its look is polarizing and may not appeal to all. More expensive as well at higher trims. If mpg and premium fuel costs and cargo space are not important I would compare to some luxury cuvs as well that start at the mid to upper 30k range. But then the CX5 would be a contender too (but small cargo space, no lane centering steering). Subaru also does not have lane centering steering. I believe Kia and Hyndai may not as well. For us, adaptive cruise control becomes more useful only if lane centering is there without a ping pong effect.

See this wikipedia link for a list of cars that have lane centering now https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lane_centering

Planning to get the RAV4 hybrid when it comes.

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Re: Opinions on 2019 RAV4 and/or 2019 Santa Fe

Post by bob60014 » Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:25 pm

I've looked at both and find the Hyundai of all variations, feels "cheap". Naybe it just me but I never have liked their interiors.

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Re: Opinions on 2019 RAV4 and/or 2019 Santa Fe

Post by pochax » Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:41 pm

steadyhand wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:26 am
We are in the same boat and feel the specs (mpg, cargo space, safety tech,reliability) of the 2019 RAV4 hybrid are hard to beat. However, its look is polarizing and may not appeal to all. More expensive as well at higher trims. If mpg and premium fuel costs and cargo space are not important I would compare to some luxury cuvs as well that start at the mid to upper 30k range. But then the CX5 would be a contender too (but small cargo space, no lane centering steering). Subaru also does not have lane centering steering. I believe Kia and Hyndai may not as well. For us, adaptive cruise control becomes more useful only if lane centering is there without a ping pong effect.

See this wikipedia link for a list of cars that have lane centering now https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lane_centering

Planning to get the RAV4 hybrid when it comes.
i would contend that the CX-5 does have lane departure assist (i agree it is not "steering") but as you leave the driving lane the steering wheel gives a soft resistance to your grip to let you know you are about to cross lanes....i actually prefer this much more to the abrupt re-steering of the more aggressive systems out there - you should test drive to see which one suits you (obviously if you put the turn signal on, it will not activate).

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Re: Opinions on 2019 RAV4 and/or 2019 Santa Fe

Post by jeffyscott » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:45 pm

pochax wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:41 pm
steadyhand wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:26 am
We are in the same boat and feel the specs (mpg, cargo space, safety tech,reliability) of the 2019 RAV4 hybrid are hard to beat. However, its look is polarizing and may not appeal to all. More expensive as well at higher trims. If mpg and premium fuel costs and cargo space are not important I would compare to some luxury cuvs as well that start at the mid to upper 30k range. But then the CX5 would be a contender too (but small cargo space, no lane centering steering). Subaru also does not have lane centering steering. I believe Kia and Hyndai may not as well. For us, adaptive cruise control becomes more useful only if lane centering is there without a ping pong effect.

See this wikipedia link for a list of cars that have lane centering now https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lane_centering

Planning to get the RAV4 hybrid when it comes.
i would contend that the CX-5 does have lane departure assist (i agree it is not "steering") but as you leave the driving lane the steering wheel gives a soft resistance to your grip to let you know you are about to cross lanes....i actually prefer this much more to the abrupt re-steering of the more aggressive systems out there - you should test drive to see which one suits you (obviously if you put the turn signal on, it will not activate).
Not having bought a new car for a dozen years, I don't know anything about these sorts of systems, but the Forester has something they call "EyeSight Driver Assist", which includes "Lane Keep Assist".

Maybe that's not the same thing as "lane centering", though?
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Post by UpperNwGuy » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:39 pm

jeffyscott wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:45 pm
Not having bought a new car for a dozen years, I don't know anything about these sorts of systems, but the Forester has something they call "EyeSight Driver Assist", which includes "Lane Keep Assist".

Maybe that's not the same thing as "lane centering", though?
I think you're correct. The redesigned 2019 Forester has additional safety features, including Eyesight. I just looked at the Wikipedia article cited above, and the most recent Subaru data is at least 18 months old.

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Post by inbox788 » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:55 pm

I'd have to update myself on the Santa Fe, but isn't it a bigger? Kind of inbetween CRV and Pilot, so maybe compare to Highlander also. Also, don't forget new Passport that now fills gap and might be closer comparison.

FWIW, my neighbor who's owned a Santa Fe for about a decade and was happy wound up with a CRV recently.

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Post by steadyhand » Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:19 pm

Unfortunately Subaru Eyesight does not yet have lane centering. I have stayed on top of this for many months now. In the non-luxury segment, only Toyota (TSS2.0) and Nisaan (ProPilot Assist) have the best Level 2 steering and braking combination systems. Honda Sensing comes close and has lane centering but seems to be not as advanced as these two in terms of capabilities (in addition to oil dilution issues). Subaru has indicated a more advanced EyeSight coming later in 2019 but not sure what models and when. Tesla and Cadicallc super cruise lead the pack with Volvo somewhere behind with Pilot Assist. Costs extra on these cars to have autonomous features.

Of course this is all important only if you want semi-autonomous capabilities. I just feel that the more advanced system one buys now, the less outdated it will be 5-7 years down the road in case you want to sell it.

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Post by manuvns » Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:22 pm

RAV4 due to toyota reliability and safety features

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Re: Opinions on 2019 RAV4 and/or 2019 Santa Fe

Post by investor4life » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:00 am

inbox788 wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:55 pm
I'd have to update myself on the Santa Fe, but isn't it a bigger? Kind of inbetween CRV and Pilot, so maybe compare to Highlander also. Also, don't forget new Passport that now fills gap and might be closer comparison.

FWIW, my neighbor who's owned a Santa Fe for about a decade and was happy wound up with a CRV recently.
Hyundai has renamed their Santa Fe models. What used to be the Santa Fe prior to the 2019 model year is now the Santa Fe XL (7-seater). What used to be the Santa Fe Sport is now the Santa Fe (5-seater, comparable to the RAV4).

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Post by Small Change » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:32 am

Regarding the previous generation RAV’s (the version that ended with the 2018 RAV) poor passenger crash rating:

After that generation RAV launched, Toyota strengthened the driver side, improving its driver side IIHS offset crash results. It didn’t bother doing a fix on the passenger side. This is discussed in the below story.

https://www.cars.com/articles/iihs-find ... 684870660/

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Post by jeffyscott » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:39 am

investor4life wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:00 am
inbox788 wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:55 pm
I'd have to update myself on the Santa Fe, but isn't it a bigger? Kind of inbetween CRV and Pilot, so maybe compare to Highlander also. Also, don't forget new Passport that now fills gap and might be closer comparison.

FWIW, my neighbor who's owned a Santa Fe for about a decade and was happy wound up with a CRV recently.
Hyundai has renamed their Santa Fe models. What used to be the Santa Fe prior to the 2019 model year is now the Santa Fe XL (7-seater). What used to be the Santa Fe Sport is now the Santa Fe (5-seater, comparable to the RAV4).
I thought the Tuscon was the RAV4 equivalent (i.e. compact "crossover")?
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Post by Alexa9 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:46 am

I've watched a lot of reviews on youtube of the RAV4 and some complain it is noisy at freeway speed and it is uncomfortable for taller drivers. I'd test drive yourself and see. Otherwise it looks like a great vehicle. Also, no Android Auto if that matters to you. Even if it is a Toyota, you might wait until a later model year if you think they will iron out the kinks. I bet the previous generation has a steep discount now.

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Post by Glockenspiel » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:54 am

investor4life wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:33 pm
I'm looking to buy either a 2019 RAV4 or a 2019 Santa Fe. Has anyone bought/rented either of these? Would be interested in your feedback on the cars themselves (not the buying experience). If possible, please include info. on trim level, engine (regular or turbo) and drivetrain (AWD or FWD).

Thanks!
I have a 2015 Santa Fe. The only reason you would need AWD would be if you live in a very snowy AND hilly area. In 90-95% of the country, you don't need AWD. It's just extra weight that decreases your MPG. The regular has plenty of get-up, so I also have no use for a turbo engine.

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Re: Opinions on 2019 RAV4 and/or 2019 Santa Fe

Post by Rupert » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:07 am

jeffyscott wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:39 am
investor4life wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:00 am
inbox788 wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:55 pm
I'd have to update myself on the Santa Fe, but isn't it a bigger? Kind of inbetween CRV and Pilot, so maybe compare to Highlander also. Also, don't forget new Passport that now fills gap and might be closer comparison.

FWIW, my neighbor who's owned a Santa Fe for about a decade and was happy wound up with a CRV recently.
Hyundai has renamed their Santa Fe models. What used to be the Santa Fe prior to the 2019 model year is now the Santa Fe XL (7-seater). What used to be the Santa Fe Sport is now the Santa Fe (5-seater, comparable to the RAV4).
I thought the Tuscon was the RAV4 equivalent (i.e. compact "crossover")?
The Tucson is a tad smaller than the Rav4. The Santa Fe (Santa Fe Sport prior to 2019) is a tad larger than the Rav4. Both are in the same class (compact crossover SUV).

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