SS survivor benefits - only 30 days out of the country?

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pkay
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SS survivor benefits - only 30 days out of the country?

Post by pkay » Fri Sep 07, 2018 1:52 pm

Hi all,

Has anyone have experience with receiving social security survivor benefits and told they can't travel out of the country for more than 30 days?

Also is it the same with anyone receiving any type of social security benefits?

-pkay

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Re: SS survivor benefits - only 30 days out of the country?

Post by DorothyB » Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:25 pm

Never heard of the first re: survivor benefits. I am currently receiving survivor benefits and am in Panama for 2 1/2+ weeks.

I have several friends living here in Panama who are now US citizens but legal residents of Panama who receive social security benefits. This includes at least 6 people, none of whom spend more than 100 days per year in the US.

One person who is just applying needed to have an address in the US.

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Re: SS survivor benefits - only 30 days out of the country?

Post by rterickson » Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:42 pm

There are many countries which do not have social security treaties with the US.

If you stay in one of those countries more than 30 days, SSA may withhold your benefits until you return. There are additional conditions which apply to survivors.

https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10137.pdf

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Re: SS survivor benefits - only 30 days out of the country?

Post by One Ping » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:15 pm

Is there some subtlety at play here between ...
Social Security wrote:"If you are a U.S. citizen, you may continue to receive payments outside the United States as long as you are eligible for payment and you are in a country where we can send payments." [page 2 of link from rterickson]
and direct depositing to your US domiciled bank account?

Does we can send payment mean, literally, mail you a check?
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Re: SS survivor benefits - only 30 days out of the country?

Post by mariezzz » Sat Sep 08, 2018 1:32 pm

Read this on page 2 carefully: "If you are a U.S. citizen, you may continue to receive payments outside the United States as long as you are eligible for payment and you are in a country where we can send payments. If you are not a U.S. citizen, you must meet one of the conditions for payment described in this publication"

Most of the booklet deals with cases concerning people who are not US citizens.

Also on page 2
Social Security Restrictions Generally, we cannot send Social Security payments to persons in Azerbaijan, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, and Uzbekistan. However, we can make exceptions for certain eligible persons in these countries. To qualify for an exception, you must meet and agree to restricted payment conditions. For more information about these conditions and the qualifications for an exception, contact the Social Security Administration or your Federal Benefits Unit. Contact information is in the last section of this publication titled “Contacting Social Security.” If you do not qualify for an exception, we will withhold your payments until you leave the country with Social Security restrictions and go to a country where we can send payments.

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If you have an American bank account, I'm not sure how they would know you're out of the country, unless you told them. Toward end of the booklet, there are some notes about Medicare.

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Re: SS survivor benefits - only 30 days out of the country?

Post by pkay » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:10 am

What if the survivor is receiving benefits via electronic deposit in a bank account in the US? Can the survivor still travel outside the US for more than 30 days?

It seems like this sending payment phrase refers to a time when electronic deposit was not available? Or is it SS's way of paying less?

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Re: SS survivor benefits - only 30 days out of the country?

Post by pkay » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:12 am

rterickson wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:42 pm
There are many countries which do not have social security treaties with the US.

If you stay in one of those countries more than 30 days, SSA may withhold your benefits until you return. There are additional conditions which apply to survivors.

https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10137.pdf
What if the survivor is just traveling and visiting families in other parts of the world but do live in the US and receives electronic deposit (in a US bank) ss payments?

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