Has anyone taken out an online mortgage?

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Has anyone taken out an online mortgage?

Post by CULater » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:12 pm

Looking for a mortgage and wondering about online mortgages; e.g., Quicken, Penfed. Has anyone done a mortgage with one of these and can report their experience? I'm buying a condo in Arizona but am not residing there currently. What is the best way to compare rates and closing costs between online lenders?
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Post by UniversityEmployee9 » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:16 pm

Yes, Quicken, went smoothly.

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Post by kiddoc » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:11 pm

I quoted with multiple online lenders before settling with pitting Bank of America against one of them to get the best rate (BoA won). Make sure you make a list and compare various fees they are charging you. They make it sound like "we are giving you the best rate and deal". However, when I made all the adjustments, Quicken's origination and other add-on fees were 2-3 times that of any other lender.
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Post by CULater » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:14 pm

kiddoc wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:11 pm
I quoted with multiple online lenders before settling with pitting Bank of America against one of them to get the best rate (BoA won). Make sure you make a list and compare various fees they are charging you. They make it sound like "we are giving you the best rate and deal". However, when I made all the adjustments, Quicken's origination and other add-on fees were 2-3 times that of any other lender.
Do you have to go through the process of making an application and providing your financial information to each of these to get a quote and fees? Were you online with Bof A as well, or in-person?
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Post by kiddoc » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:25 pm

CULater wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:14 pm
Do you have to go through the process of making an application and providing your financial information to each of these to get a quote and fees? Were you online with Bof A as well, or in-person?
The application part depends on the lender. Most lenders should be able to send you a fee disclosure and give you an estimated rate quote by asking you for some information about the property, your income and a rough estimate of your credit score. However, nothing would be guaranteed until you fill out an application and they pull your credit. I got initial disclosures and quotes from 4 local banks/credit unions and 3 or 4 online lenders/aggregators. Then, I filled out applications with the 3 best quotes and had them pull my credit in the same week. The financial documents like W2s, 1099s and proofs were sent only to the final lender.

BoA was online but the last-minute haggling was over the phone with 3 lenders in the game. BoA basically said, "We want you as our customer. Send us anyone else's best offer you get and we will beat it". That's exactly what they did.
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Post by whodidntante » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:42 pm

My credit union matched the rate of Quicken. But I don't think the approval and closing process was any faster or easier that way. The closing costs were shockingly low though.

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Post by MikeG62 » Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:07 am

Not exactly on point, but I opened a HELOC with Pen Fed back around 2003. It remained open for about a decade. In fact, I ended up paying off my remaining mortgage with the HELOC (when there was about 2-3 years left on the mortgage) as the rate on the HELOC was lower than the rate on my mortgage.

I subsequently applied for new homeowners insurance and the process was slowed down because the insurance company wanted some kind of paperwork about the HELOC (I can’t remember what exactly at this moment). That slowdown annoyed me as I was not even using the HELOC so I closed it.

Anyway, the application was done online as far as I recall.
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Post by cdu7 » Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:09 am

Yes, LenderFi, easy, quick, and good rates.

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Post by niceguy7376 » Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:10 am

Applying for mortgage loan at multiple places within a 10 day (or 2 week) frame is a single hit on your credit score.

We did our loans through online process (never met and they dont have office in our state) and it was same as the one with local mortgage lender/broker.

Everything is mostly email or upload of documents and communication by email or phone.

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Post by bh7785 » Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:35 am

I went through Consumer Direct Mortgage (FirstBank). It wasn't too bad. Not as smooth as when I went through Bank of America previously.

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Post by CULater » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:28 am

cdu7 wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:09 am
Yes, LenderFi, easy, quick, and good rates.
Checked this and they seem to have a $100K minimum loan amount, which is more than I'll need. Odd.
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Post by Grt2bOutdoors » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:32 am

CULater wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:28 am
cdu7 wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:09 am
Yes, LenderFi, easy, quick, and good rates.
Checked this and they seem to have a $100K minimum loan amount, which is more than I'll need. Odd.
Wells Fargo I recall wanted me to borrow at least $75k, they wouldn’t do anything less than that.
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Post by middistancerunner » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:40 am

Also worth noting that Ally has a formal rate match guarantee. If you send them a formal loan estimate from another lender they will match the interest rate (not sure about closing costs)

They were willing to match even my crazy-low subsidized mortgage rate, which was far below market rate (3.4% on a 30 year fixed, originated in June 2018.)

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Post by GAAP » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:41 am

Did an online refi several years ago -- just needed a local mobile notary for the process. No real issues.

Started the process to buy a house last year using Quicken, but the local sellers were highly resistant and essentially forced me to go local -- something of a pain when the new house was two states and 700 miles away... I had no issues with the Quicken process while I was in it.

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Post by Minty » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:43 am

In Fall, 2016, we refied after shopping on Bankrate and Zillow. IIRC, the online form required inputting information, but I got nonbinding quotes with no credit pull, until I actually applied to a specific lender. We went with an outfit called AnnieMac in New Jersey, and all went smoothly. 3% fixed on on a 20 year loan, about 55% loan to value. They matched someone else's offer that came in after I got started with them. They sent a notary to my house to do the closing, and he notarized something else I needed signed as well for free!
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Post by CULater » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:16 pm

So far, Penfed has been the most transparent regarding fees -- right on their website. Quicken wants me to go through the process of credit check, financial records, etc. before they'll say anything so I will probably eliminate them for that reason. Most lenders seem cagey about fees and want you to prequalify but I'm leery about credit pulls and sharing financials until I'm down to the short strokes with lenders.
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Post by Gray » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:39 pm

I went with Navy Federal, all online.

Ally beat Navy, so Navy matched.

Quicken was woefully uncompetitive.

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Post by sunny_socal » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:14 pm

I've used aimloan.com and amerisave.com, both with good results.

Due to slower response time I would ONLY use an online bank for a refi, never a new purchase. You can always refi to something better right after the deal closes.

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Post by CULater » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:29 pm

sunny_socal wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:14 pm
I've used aimloan.com and amerisave.com, both with good results.

Due to slower response time I would ONLY use an online bank for a refi, never a new purchase. You can always refi to something better right after the deal closes.
I'm a newbi on this stuff. Guess you're saying to just get a mortgage with no prepayment penalty and then you can refi at will? But then you'd have to pay the closing costs all over again, yes?
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Post by tj218 » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:52 pm

I've used First Internet Bank twice now, for a purchase and also a re-finance. They aren't the rock bottom lowest rates you can find, but they are much lower than B&M banks. While I know it doesn't mean much for mortgages the fact that they have FDIC coverage for their normal bank accounts gave me a bit of peace of mind. All paperwork could be submitted through a secure web portal and it was very easy. They give you a contact person out of their Indiana office who can ease your mind or walk you through anything you aren't sure about.

If I recall waiting on the appraisal company was the only slowdown but that was more on the appraiser. All in all I think both times it took less than 45 days from application to close. Working with the title company was seamless too. They did sell off the note after a few months to a different party, but everything was automatically updated. I would definitely use them again.

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Post by whodidntante » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:07 pm

CULater wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:28 am
cdu7 wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:09 am
Yes, LenderFi, easy, quick, and good rates.
Checked this and they seem to have a $100K minimum loan amount, which is more than I'll need. Odd.
I honestly would shop for 100k because that is a typical cutoff for the best rates. Some banks will issue a mortgage for less, but the might charge you a higher rate.

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Post by CULater » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:12 pm

whodidntante wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:07 pm
CULater wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:28 am
cdu7 wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:09 am
Yes, LenderFi, easy, quick, and good rates.
Checked this and they seem to have a $100K minimum loan amount, which is more than I'll need. Odd.
I honestly would shop for 100k because that is a typical cutoff for the best rates. Some banks will issue a mortgage for less, but the might charge you a higher rate.
Don't see how I can do that since the property price is only $108K.
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Post by RickBoglehead » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:55 pm

Quicken is a high pressure sales environment. You can always get a better deal.

We did a mortgage with ING Direct 11 years ago (they are no more, Cap One took over and now has sold mortgage). Worked fine except for a mistake that I caught at closing on HELOC rate. Called them, they said they record all calls, replayed it a week later and I was right.

IMO, online vs physical bank is no different.

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Post by CULater » Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:27 pm

Quicken did seem a little high-pressure to me too. Didn't care for the attitude that I had to complete the application process to get a quote and fees. Not gonnadoit.
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Post by The Big Apple » Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:31 pm

CULater wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:29 pm
sunny_socal wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:14 pm
I've used aimloan.com and amerisave.com, both with good results.

Due to slower response time I would ONLY use an online bank for a refi, never a new purchase. You can always refi to something better right after the deal closes.
I'm a newbi on this stuff. Guess you're saying to just get a mortgage with no prepayment penalty and then you can refi at will? But then you'd have to pay the closing costs all over again, yes?
You can refinance anytime, but will need to pay closing costs again. However, if this is a state with a mortgage tax, it may be worth finding a lower rate to start with. In these states, if you refinance, you may have to pay this mortgage tax again. From a Google search, it appears that Alabama, Florida, Kansas, Minnesota, New York, Oklahoma and Tennessee have mortgage taxes.

Also, look into choosing your own title insurance company. The mortgage lender is allowed to involve an affiliate in the title insurance, and prices are usually higher that way. One option is Entitle Direct. If you refinance, go back to that same title insurer and ask them for a quote for the refinance, as well (many times they give you a discount within a certain number of years of the original loan).

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Post by Cody » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:01 am

I was not happy with Penfed for a number of reasons. The process was almost blind to me. We could not tell where we were in the process. I finally got upset with one of the agents (not rude though) and they put me on a "special list" with special help. Before that I felt like I was being handed off from one agent to another. An example of the problem was: even after we had already made several payments my Insurance agent emailed me and ask why Penfed what a certain document. He had never had that request after a loan had been approved. Still not sure why that was done after the loan was approved.

We did get the best rate going (2.5%). That was great though.

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Post by athan » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:25 am

Minty wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:43 am
In Fall, 2016, we refied after shopping on Bankrate and Zillow. IIRC, the online form required inputting information, but I got nonbinding quotes with no credit pull, until I actually applied to a specific lender. We went with an outfit called AnnieMac in New Jersey, and all went smoothly. 3% fixed on on a 20 year loan, about 55% loan to value. They matched someone else's offer that came in after I got started with them. They sent a notary to my house to do the closing, and he notarized something else I needed signed as well for free!
Bankrate and Zillow are by far the best way to find the lowest online lenders. The rates are already online. I shopped around last year when I bought my house, and ended up using Garden State Home Loans. Easiest mortgage process I've been through (used medium and big banks for prior mortgages). I feel like it is a secret that only a few people know about. I looked into penfed and Quicken, which were both thousands of dollars more expensive to close, with higher rates.

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Post by Colorado13 » Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:06 pm

I refinanced a mortgage with PenFed, it was not the original mortgage. Closing was smooth - they came to my workplace so I could sign the papers there. Communication prior to closing was poor; they didn't keep me informed of the process and this was not my first refi, so I wasn't a complete newbie. I don't love Penfed's website and customer service is average or below. I got a great rate, but am doubtful I would ever use PF again for a mortgage.

Good luck!

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Post by armeliusc » Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:40 pm

I refinanced with Sebonic / Cardinal Financial, getting their rates through bankrate.com. Once I started, the whole thing was done within about 10 days. I was actually a bit surprised at how easy it was; everything was online and I just needed to upload documents. On the day of closing, someone come to meet me for the wet signatures which they then overnight, and that's it.

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Post by Bogle_Bro » Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:35 pm

whodidntante wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:07 pm
CULater wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:28 am
cdu7 wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:09 am
Yes, LenderFi, easy, quick, and good rates.
Checked this and they seem to have a $100K minimum loan amount, which is more than I'll need. Odd.
I honestly would shop for 100k because that is a typical cutoff for the best rates. Some banks will issue a mortgage for less, but the might charge you a higher rate.
This is true.

Higher rates on lower loan amounts to make the transaction profitable enough to do for the banks

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Post by Bogle_Bro » Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:38 pm

armeliusc wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:40 pm
I refinanced with Sebonic / Cardinal Financial, getting their rates through bankrate.com. Once I started, the whole thing was done within about 10 days. I was actually a bit surprised at how easy it was; everything was online and I just needed to upload documents. On the day of closing, someone come to meet me for the wet signatures which they then overnight, and that's it.
Side note

I worked for them...

Sebonic on any given day may have the absolute lowest rates in the entire industry thru bankrate

Alternatively, applying directly at cardinal , the parent company, results in much higher rates than the industry average.

Different lead source, different pricing.

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Post by Bogle_Bro » Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:40 pm

CULater wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:12 pm
whodidntante wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:07 pm
CULater wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:28 am
cdu7 wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:09 am
Yes, LenderFi, easy, quick, and good rates.
Checked this and they seem to have a $100K minimum loan amount, which is more than I'll need. Odd.
I honestly would shop for 100k because that is a typical cutoff for the best rates. Some banks will issue a mortgage for less, but the might charge you a higher rate.
Don't see how I can do that since the property price is only $108K.
Boa doesnt have a minimum loan amnt if your still shopping

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Post by Earl Lemongrab » Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:36 pm

I got a home-equity loan from PenFed years ago. It was a slow process at the time and required a lot of following up from me. Got it done and no fees.
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