Anyone take naps at work?

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Post by alec » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:51 pm

We have several wellness rooms with recliners in the basement of our building. I used t take naps during lunch after my kids were born.
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Re: Anyone take naps at work?

Post by stoptothink » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:18 pm

iamlucky13 wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:30 pm
It's definitely something to be aware of the expectations for, though. My last job was far more focused on getting your work done and taking a fair share of the load than what the clock says. If we're keeping up with our tasks and volunteering for new ones as they arise, we can have RC helicopter races in the office for all anybody cares...and have often done so when needing to lighten up a stressful week.
My employees could work from the moon or for 10 minutes a day for all I care, as long as they are producing. I'd also much rather have them at home sleeping, than sleeping at their desk...or on the floor under their desk (my boss, the CMO, fired one of my employees on the spot for this last year). We have hundreds (at certain times, thousands) of visitors daily at our global headquarters, having them see employees sleeping isn't a good look, but many of them make comments about our awesome corporate gym, basketball court, volleyball pit, and walking paths that employees are allowed to take advantage of any time of day.

I've had multiple conversations with world-renowned sleep researcher Russell G. Foster https://www.ted.com/talks/russell_foste ... o_we_sleep. Based on his research, he is (to an extent) anti-napping as it has some negative effects on circadian rhythms. My personal experience agrees with him; I've found that it is dramatically better to focus on getting a full night's sleep than depending on naps, but like most people, there have been times in my life when that wasn't possible (the 11yrs I was simultaneously a full-time student and working 2-3 jobs, as a new father, etc.).

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Re: Anyone take naps at work?

Post by AlohaJoe » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:38 pm

Everyone I worked with in my last two jobs took a nap at work. Many people kept pillows at work. The lights in the office were turned off from 12-1. Most people would just put their head down at their desk. Some would lay down under their desk. Not everyone would take a nap every day. If you were one of the people not napping then you were respectfully quiet during that period so others could nap.

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Post by bene1 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:02 pm

SuperGrafx wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:53 pm
JoeRetire wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:10 pm

I no longer work. But when I did I never took a nap. The only coworker who napped was an alcoholic.

Work is for working. Home is for napping.
+1, well said.
Napping at work...sounds like a millennial thing.
I doubt many work nappers are ages 22 to 37.

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Post by BolderBoy » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:11 pm

pascal wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:22 pm
Just wondering if people take naps at work and if anybody has inputs on how they view such breaks?
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Re: Anyone take naps at work?

Post by chevca » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:00 pm

First, i work shift work... and a horrible shift at that.

An old timer once said, there are two types of people that work shift work, those that sleep on shift work, and those that lie about sleeping on shift work. 🙂

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Post by NoHeat » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:07 pm

Pancakes-Eggs-Bacon wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:15 pm
firefighter... sleep 'til they're hungry, eat 'til they're tired.
It’s true that firefighters are expected to sleep on the job, with their 24 hour shifts. Stations do have beds.

However, a firefighter’s job became much busier a few decades ago, when they started responding to medical emergencies and not just fires, which are much more infrequent.
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Post by dodecahedron » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:07 pm

Economist Ken Arrow was legendary for falling asleep in seminars but upon waking, he would ask the speaker an incredibly perceptive question. (I personally observed this many times.) I guess when you are brilliant and kind and much beloved Nobel Laureate, you can get away with openly napping at work.

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Post by whodidntante » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:08 pm

The real question is if anyone is awake.

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Post by All Seasons » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:30 pm

I used to literally sleep under my desk. So yes. :)
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Post by asset_chaos » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:07 am

When I worked in an office environment, I took a mid-afternoon 20-30 minute nap most days. I never kept it a secret, neither did I put a sign on my closed office door saying 'napping, do not disturb'. No one, including my boss, seemed to think one way or the other about it, that I could tell. The current workplace fad of glassed cubicles and open plan offices does not seem conducive to workplace napping.
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Post by JoeRetire » Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:07 am

AlohaJoe wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:38 pm
The lights in the office were turned off from 12-1.
Where was this? What kind of office?

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Post by carolinaman » Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:48 am

I never napped but did do 5 or 10 minutes of meditation sometimes. My main thing was a brisk 20 minute walk after lunch. That go me going again. I am not aware of any of my staff ever napping but if they did it during their lunch hour it would have been no problem.

In the modern world, workers can waste time in other ways that is more damaging and less noticeable, i.e. surfing the web during work, texting, facebook, etc.

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Post by nova1968 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:50 am

If I had the opportunity to work from home I would takes naps at work

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Post by AlohaJoe » Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:51 am

JoeRetire wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:07 am
AlohaJoe wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:38 pm
The lights in the office were turned off from 12-1.
Where was this? What kind of office?
Open plan offices. 20-200 people. In Asia.

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Re: Anyone take naps at work?

Post by AnonJohn » Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:31 am

SuperGrafx wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:53 pm
JoeRetire wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:10 pm

I no longer work. But when I did I never took a nap. The only coworker who napped was an alcoholic.

Work is for working. Home is for napping.
+1, well said.
Napping at work...sounds like a millennial thing.
This attitude doesn't seem very aware of research on sleep, diversity of sleep habits, or productivity. It is difficult for creative jobs to maintain high output for, say 8 hours. Why is a nap worse than other forms of breaks?

Second, there's good evidence that some people are night owls, some are morning larks, and some can move their circadian rhythms around. 9-5 culture makes night owls suffer; naps can help them fit in. They can't change their biology, and if the workplace wants 9-5 collaboration / team time ...

Here's an interesting quote from the 1920's from an executive looking at falling manufacturing productivity when workers worked too much. "We know from our experience in changing from six to five days and back again that we can get at least as great production in five days as we can in six ... Just as the eight hour day opened our way to prosperity, so the five day week will open our way to a still greater prosperity." -- Henry Ford

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Post by Mitchell777 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:45 am

I have not, but I worked for a Japanese company, in the USA, and it was completely acceptable for the Japanese managers/executives (office managers) to nap. They would begin their workday around 9 AM and often work until 10 PM or later, so napping was part of their work day. They did not all nap but most did. At first, it was quite odd to see, since it was in their office chairs at their desks, but it became normal after awhile.

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Post by jehovasfitness » Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:17 am

Depends on how much sleep i got night before and/or if I feel i need it.

Usually at lunch for about 30-45 mins.. I close the door, turn off the lights, put a stretching mat down and grab my pillow in my cabinet.

then put a shirt over my eyes to get total darkness.

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Post by jehovasfitness » Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:18 am

To those saying napping is basically for "losers", you clearly don't understand the health benefits of proper sleep.

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Post by tim1999 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:44 am

We used to have an older guy at my megacorp who would nap in his desk chair for 45 minutes every day during his lunch hour. He would just recline it, put on an eye mask, and set an alarm to wake himself up. Lots of people talked about this behind his back, but those are the same people who spend hours of company (non-break) time messing around on their personal cell phones. Somehow that is socially acceptable but napping on ones lunch break isn’t.

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Re: Anyone take naps at work?

Post by JoeRetire » Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:52 am

jehovasfitness wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:18 am
To those saying napping is basically for "losers", you clearly don't understand the health benefits of proper sleep.
Some folks seem to assume that the only way to get "proper sleep" is to do it at work rather than at home. This is rather hard to understand.

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Post by VictoriaF » Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:57 am

jehovasfitness wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:18 am
To those saying napping is basically for "losers", you clearly don't understand the health benefits of proper sleep.
You are confusing napping with proper sleep. Watch the TED talk linked by stoptothink in the message above, viewtopic.php?f=11&t=253719&start=50#p4015698

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Post by Cyclone » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:24 am

I was a savings and loan examiner, and when I was at Washington Federal around the year 2000 they had nap rooms. People definitely used them. I don't know if there were rules, such as time limits. I thought it made a lot of sense.

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VictoriaF wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:57 am
jehovasfitness wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:18 am
To those saying napping is basically for "losers", you clearly don't understand the health benefits of proper sleep.
You are confusing napping with proper sleep. Watch the TED talk linked by stoptothink in the message above, viewtopic.php?f=11&t=253719&start=50#p4015698

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Yup, the benefits of getting a solid 7-9hrs of uninterrupted sleep and going through the entire REM cycle in one shot are far greater than getting less sleep and napping more. Napping can negatively influence bedtime routines and alter normal circadian rhythms. If you are sleep deprived and it is not possible to get that full night's rest (I've been there too), napping appears to have some benefits.

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Post by DarkHelmetII » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:43 am

I work from home when not at client site. Enables me to get cat nap as needed or even just lay down / close my eyes for 5 - 10 minutes even if not really sleeping (which is just as well). Overall I find if done correctly, getting a little rest can help. All about managing to results and outputs as opposed to hours logged.

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Post by MildlyEccentric » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:58 am

Years ago when I was working on a project, we had someone from out of town come in to support the effort. He said he didn't really sleep at night, but whenever there was idle time on the project when he wasn't needed, he would put his head down on his desk and nap for 5 or 10 minutes. He also joined a midnight bowling league in town and bowled into the wee hours before coming to work in the morning.

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Post by hicabob » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:23 pm

Google, which appears to be a reasonably well run company with hard working employees, has nap pods.
https://www.geek.com/gadgets/google-use ... d-1264430/

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Post by JoeRetire » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:43 pm

MildlyEccentric wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:58 am
Years ago when I was working on a project, we had someone from out of town come in to support the effort. He said he didn't really sleep at night, but whenever there was idle time on the project when he wasn't needed, he would put his head down on his desk and nap for 5 or 10 minutes. He also joined a midnight bowling league in town and bowled into the wee hours before coming to work in the morning.
Interesting priorities.

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Post by ChinchillaWhiplash » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:47 pm

I used to curl up under my desk and take a nap. Was at mega corp cc company working night shift and had to take a 1 hour lunch at 2 am. Not much else to do at that time of night.

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Post by Texanbybirth » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:54 pm

You bet I do. When we had our babies, it was vital. I'd do it in my car in the parking garage, though. Never at my desk. (I'd never get uninterrupted sleep that way anyway.) I've got a lunch hour, and as far as I'm concerned can do what I want with it.

I don't do it nearly as often now because I get much better sleep at night. As others have previously said, it's much more important to get your evening sleep issues solved than to try to patch things up with a nap. That being said, though, an occasional nap is one of God's many small gifts to us!

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Post by ralph124cf » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:02 pm

VictoriaF wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:18 pm
Pancakes-Eggs-Bacon wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:15 pm
Air traffic controller here. I love a good thunderstorm nap. At least I'm not a firefighter... sleep 'til they're hungry, eat 'til they're tired.
Who is controlling air traffic when you sleep?

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Post by mancich » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:58 pm

alpenglow wrote:
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rebellovw wrote:
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Post by matatupuncher » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:27 pm

I only nap at work if I've had a few cocktails for lunch. That or I spend an hour or so at the gym. My employer does not care at all as long as the work is getting done.

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Post by jehovasfitness » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:58 pm

VictoriaF wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:57 am
jehovasfitness wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:18 am
To those saying napping is basically for "losers", you clearly don't understand the health benefits of proper sleep.
You are confusing napping with proper sleep. Watch the TED talk linked by stoptothink in the message above, viewtopic.php?f=11&t=253719&start=50#p4015698

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napping can be part of a proper sleep protocol.

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Post by jehovasfitness » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:02 pm

il0kin wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:26 pm
Shortly after the birth of my son when we were barely sleeping, I would go to the parking lot and take a catnap in my car during lunch for 15 minutes. Right or wrong, it would be viewed very poorly to take a nap in my office. I agree with your stance and think all offices should have a nap room or two but it is a hard norm to break.
This is a problem with society, people care too much how others view them. Most of America is sick, and many under-slept, and yet, people would look down on you for trying to improve your health.

Granted, I'm assuming people taking naps at work have their own private office and not cubicles lol

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Post by pascal » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:19 pm

Very interesting and some hilarious responses.

To be sure I am more or less functional with 6 hours of sleep. The last I took a nap was several weeks ago. And yes, its going to be in the car in the parking lot.

As others said, how is engaging in small talk or browsing or general meetings where you talk for a minute but you sit in for an hour any better than taking a quick nap. I'm encouraged that a lot of you think similarly. Above all - efficiency is more important than strictly segmenting work for work related activities or whatever. It isn't like we are not on call or dont work from home during some weekends or weekday nights or early mornings.
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Post by NewPhoneWhoDis » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:22 pm

SuperGrafx wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:53 pm
JoeRetire wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:10 pm

I no longer work. But when I did I never took a nap. The only coworker who napped was an alcoholic.

Work is for working. Home is for napping.
+1, well said.
Napping at work...sounds like a millennial thing.
Gah 29 posts in. I thought for sure someone blaming an entire generation of people for a non-existent problem would've been in the first 10 posts.

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Post by mega317 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:44 pm

For those who said under the desk--what is the benefit of this vs other floor space? I don't think I've ever worked at a desk that I could fit under.

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Post by 3504PIR » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:58 pm

I've only rarely gone out to my car and grabbed a quick power nap, but I wish napping was part of the work culture during my career. I think it is very beneficial to both employer and employee and if it was something I could have done without negative blowback, I may have stayed in the workforce longer - but probably not. I do know I would have been much more productive.

On particularly bad days I would dream of putting together the costanza bed into my desk so those photos made me laugh.
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Post by stoptothink » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:59 pm

jehovasfitness wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:58 pm
VictoriaF wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:57 am
jehovasfitness wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:18 am
To those saying napping is basically for "losers", you clearly don't understand the health benefits of proper sleep.
You are confusing napping with proper sleep. Watch the TED talk linked by stoptothink in the message above, viewtopic.php?f=11&t=253719&start=50#p4015698

Victoria
napping can be part of a proper sleep protocol.

signed a health professional
Correct me if I am wrong, but you are a personal trainer without any actual formal education in an even remotely related field; are you suggesting that your opinion holds more weight than the research of possibly the world's most renowned sleep expert?

Nobody has an ideal situation, but most of us can figure out ways to improve bedtime routines (turn off the screens, have an actual routine, etc.) so we aren't relying on naps. Naps are a band-aid; sometimes a necessary band-aid, but ideally you want to address the actual cause of your body's inability to recover from the actions which are occurring during the waking periods of your natural circadian clock.

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Post by jackietreehorn » Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:30 pm

stoptothink wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:59 pm
jehovasfitness wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:58 pm
VictoriaF wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:57 am
jehovasfitness wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:18 am
To those saying napping is basically for "losers", you clearly don't understand the health benefits of proper sleep.
You are confusing napping with proper sleep. Watch the TED talk linked by stoptothink in the message above, viewtopic.php?f=11&t=253719&start=50#p4015698

Victoria
napping can be part of a proper sleep protocol.

signed a health professional
Correct me if I am wrong, but you are a personal trainer without any actual formal education in an even remotely related field; are you suggesting that your opinion holds more weight than the research of possibly the world's most renowned sleep expert?

Nobody has an ideal situation, but most of us can figure out ways to improve bedtime routines (turn off the screens, have an actual routine, etc.) so we aren't relying on naps. Naps are a band-aid; sometimes a necessary band-aid, but ideally you want to address the actual cause of your body's inability to recover from the actions which are occurring during the waking periods of your natural circadian clock.
With all due respect, don’t speakers have to pay in order to give a speech at a TED event? I am not familiar with TED, but I have seen some clips from events over the years, and have read many articles basically stating that TED is BS. Would it be prudent to listen to the speaker’s opinion? This is not meant to be sarcastic, just an honest question/comment.

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Re: Anyone take naps at work?

Post by stoptothink » Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:51 pm

jackietreehorn wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:30 pm
stoptothink wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:59 pm
jehovasfitness wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:58 pm
VictoriaF wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:57 am
jehovasfitness wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:18 am
To those saying napping is basically for "losers", you clearly don't understand the health benefits of proper sleep.
You are confusing napping with proper sleep. Watch the TED talk linked by stoptothink in the message above, viewtopic.php?f=11&t=253719&start=50#p4015698

Victoria
napping can be part of a proper sleep protocol.

signed a health professional
Correct me if I am wrong, but you are a personal trainer without any actual formal education in an even remotely related field; are you suggesting that your opinion holds more weight than the research of possibly the world's most renowned sleep expert?

Nobody has an ideal situation, but most of us can figure out ways to improve bedtime routines (turn off the screens, have an actual routine, etc.) so we aren't relying on naps. Naps are a band-aid; sometimes a necessary band-aid, but ideally you want to address the actual cause of your body's inability to recover from the actions which are occurring during the waking periods of your natural circadian clock.
With all due respect, don’t speakers have to pay in order to give a speech at a TED event? I am not familiar with TED, but I have seen some clips from events over the years, and have read many articles basically stating that TED is BS. Would it be prudent to listen to the speaker’s opinion? This is not meant to be sarcastic, just an honest question/comment.
No, my boss did a TED talk in 2016 and he certainly wasn't about to pay for it. But yes, TED talks aren't gospel and there are quite a few of them which are total BS. I simply linked the TED talk as reference. Russel G. Foster is one of (if not) the foremost sleep-researchers in the world, that isn't up for debate. I'd venture that the research of someone with over 100 peer-reviewed publications on the matter, who is the head of the Sleep and Circadian Neuroscience Institute, and a senior fellow at Oxford is a tad more valid than the opinion of a personal trainer. I co-authored the publication for a clinical trial involving sleep hygiene last year and had the opportunity to present the findings at a conference where Mr. Foster was the keynote. FWIW, I am a "health" scientist, with an emphasis on exercise physiology and nutrition; my role in that publication was due to being one of the primary clinical researchers for my employer. I'm not about to suggest I am any sort of sleep expert.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Foster
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Re: Anyone take naps at work?

Post by VictoriaF » Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:16 pm

stoptothink wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:51 pm
jackietreehorn wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:30 pm
stoptothink wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:59 pm
jehovasfitness wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:58 pm
VictoriaF wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:57 am


You are confusing napping with proper sleep. Watch the TED talk linked by stoptothink in the message above, viewtopic.php?f=11&t=253719&start=50#p4015698

Victoria
napping can be part of a proper sleep protocol.

signed a health professional
Correct me if I am wrong, but you are a personal trainer without any actual formal education in an even remotely related field; are you suggesting that your opinion holds more weight than the research of possibly the world's most renowned sleep expert?

Nobody has an ideal situation, but most of us can figure out ways to improve bedtime routines (turn off the screens, have an actual routine, etc.) so we aren't relying on naps. Naps are a band-aid; sometimes a necessary band-aid, but ideally you want to address the actual cause of your body's inability to recover from the actions which are occurring during the waking periods of your natural circadian clock.
With all due respect, don’t speakers have to pay in order to give a speech at a TED event? I am not familiar with TED, but I have seen some clips from events over the years, and have read many articles basically stating that TED is BS. Would it be prudent to listen to the speaker’s opinion? This is not meant to be sarcastic, just an honest question/comment.
No, my boss did a TED talk in 2016 and he certainly wasn't about to pay for it. But yes, TED talks aren't gospel and there are quite a few of them which are total BS. I simply linked the TED talk as reference. Russel G. Foster is one of (if not) the foremost sleep-researchers in the world, that isn't up for debate. I'd venture that the research of someone with over 100 peer-reviewed publications on the matter, who is the head of the Sleep and Circadian Neuroscience Institute, and a senior fellow at Oxford is a tad more valid than the opinion of a personal trainer. I co-authored the publication for a clinical trial involving sleep hygiene last year and had the opportunity to present the findings at a conference where Mr. Foster was the keynote; I'm not about to suggest I am any sort of expert on the matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Foster
I don't think TED speakers are paid. But if they are, it's not a sign of a conflict of interest, but rather an indicator of prestige. Many conferences pay large honorariums to and travel expenses of their keynote speakers, because prominent speakers attract larger audiences.

By watching Russell Foster's TED talk, and even without reading his credentials, it was clear to me that his primary concern is public health and that he has extensive experience with sleep research.

But if I were looking for ulterior motives, I'd suggest that personal trainers have a stake in having clients early in the morning, before work. It would be in a personal trainer's interest to dismiss the need for sleep and recommend quick fixes such as naps.

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Re: Anyone take naps at work?

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