Thinking about moving to Madison, WI or Minneapolis, MN..Any advice?

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Nowizard
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Re: Thinking about moving to Madison, WI or Minneapolis, MN..Any advice?

Post by Nowizard » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:51 am

Glockenspiel: Housing price comment based on children's experience, but if you read the post, it says "May be," not are less.

Tim

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Re: Thinking about moving to Madison, WI or Minneapolis, MN..Any advice?

Post by itsgot8 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:40 am

malibuboats91 wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:02 pm

Thanks for the response! I enjoy downhill skiing, golfing, grabbing drinks with friends, cars/car shows, exploring, etc. I used to bike a lot, but haven't really gone for a solid 5 years. I wouldn't mind starting up again though.

Wisconsin Dells has Automotion in summer, so there's that. 8-)

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Re: Thinking about moving to Madison, WI or Minneapolis, MN..Any advice?

Post by WhiteMaxima » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:58 am

Madison, WI, close to Chicago and less snow than Minn. Good beer and football culture.

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Re: Thinking about moving to Madison, WI or Minneapolis, MN..Any advice?

Post by Valuethinker » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:03 am

malibuboats91 wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:51 am
Colorado13 wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:44 am
I've lived in MN for much of my life and have only been to Madison as a visitor (probably 8 times.) You write "While I would prefer living in Colorado..." so I will ask if you have been to CO and why it's on your list?

Mpls: Great economy for your career. The "MN Nice" is a real thing and sometimes transplants have a tough time getting to know people because many people are already in their groups. The cost of living in Minneapolis is 7% higher than the national average. Packers fan are allowed (but not encouraged. ha! I kid.) It has more opportunities for engaging in your hobbies and meeting people than Madison. The extra hour to the cabin is worth noting, but not worth basing your decision on this factor.

Madison: This is one of my favorite small towns in the midwest, by far. It's a nice college town and fun place to visit. It's safe, with relatively short commutes, but offers much less cultural/social life/outdoor activities. I think it would be great place to be from.

Colorado: Generally very friendly to transplants compared to MN, far from your family (obviously) and cabin. The cost of living is 11% higher than the national average but housing is 32% higher than the national average. Much better skiing and outdoor activities than MN and WI. Plus very few mosquitoes. There's no comparison to MN or WI in terms of weather. Economy is somewhat similar to Mpls.

Bottom line: Mpls seems to align well with your career and personal goals. Give it a try and have fun. You can always move again if you want to; you have many years of your career ahead of you. Let us know what you decide.
Thanks for the reply! I have some family out in Colorado so I've been there a few times and am a huge downhill skier. Colorado is a very special area, but too far from my immediate family/cottage.

I love the vibe of Madison, closeness to my family/cabin and it pretty regularly ranks as one of the top places to live in the US, but my concern would be salary growth potential and career opportunities. I was thinking about it this morning and working in accounting/finance allows me to get a job at almost any moderate to large sized business, hospital or even UW, but I think my salary would end up being a lot higher in Minneapolis. I could be totally wrong though.
In the next few years of your career it will be easier to go from big city to small city accounting practice than vice versa. Also from big city public accounting to finance role in a smaller company or institution in a small town.

The problem will come at partner level. A partner in a smaller centre has to be willing to graft pretty hard for business w local farmers businesses etc. In a big city it's a very different job.

I would say give Minneapolis 2 to 3 years. You lack enough information to make a fully informed choice at this point. You need to go there and see if you like it.

Don't overlook the chance to go to Colorado if that is your dream destination, btw. It won't be any easier to move there when you are 40.

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Re: Thinking about moving to Madison, WI or Minneapolis, MN..Any advice?

Post by Maverick3320 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:50 pm

I live in Madison, so I'm biased. I love it here. I think the winter weather and the travel distances to your cabin are somewhat of a wash. I have a three hour drive up to northern WI (Rhinelander) to see family, so I'm in the same boat. Download some good podcasts and get a car with auto cruise control and you're golden.

Downsides to Madison:

-Politics. If you are middle of the road (or right-leaning) people might treat you a tad bit different.
-Age. Madison is definitely a college town. If you're single your social life will definitely start trending down in your early 30s; it seems like just about everyone here is that is 30+ is married with kids.
-Growth. It seems like Madison is growing pretty quickly, and we're starting to get "big city" problems - crime, traffic, pricey real estate, etc.

Upside:

-Politics (depending on your views).
-Still has some small-town feel stuff, especially the suburbs.
-Active. There are a lot of active people here, and it seems like something is always going on.
-Pretty stable economy. Government, the University, and health care are the biggest providers here, so the economy is usually pretty strong. The city sucks in a lot of small-town talent from around Wisconsin. Epic is just outside the city and seems to be putting up a new building every time I bike by it.

Overall, both the city and the University routinely make "best of" lists, so we must be doing something right here!

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Re: Thinking about moving to Madison, WI or Minneapolis, MN..Any advice?

Post by Jack44 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:45 pm

For me, I think it would depend on which location offers the best ice fishing opportunities. Both seem to have an ample amount of water nearby, but Minneapolis would probably have the better climate (for sufficient ice thickness for the longer amount of time). Even now, I am pining for the coming winter and six or more inches of ice in northeast Pennsylvania.

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Re: Thinking about moving to Madison, WI or Minneapolis, MN..Any advice?

Post by Dottie57 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:23 pm

Glockenspiel wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:06 am
Nowizard wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:14 am
Both cold, of course, in winter. Madison smaller with great culture. Political culture very liberal in Madison which is a likely positive or negative these days. Overall, both (Children live in both places) are places where you can find culture, activities, educational opportunities. Minneapolis may be somewhat less in property taxes and housing prices. If not for the weather, we would strongly consider moving from our southern home to Madison due to smaller size.

Tim
What would make you think housing prices would be less in Minneapolis than in Madison? In the desirable parts of Minneapolis, you're lucky to find a 3 bedroom home in good condition for under $500k.
Depends on what you consider desirable. Mom’s first ring suburb house is immaculately maintained. No HOA fees. Nice neighbors. 1200 sq ft , 3 bedrooms, 1 bath room. Semi finished basement - our “family room”

Price - about 250k.

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Re: Thinking about moving to Madison, WI or Minneapolis, MN..Any advice?

Post by malibuboats91 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:11 pm

Thank you all for the feedback! Definitely more than I anticipated! I talked with the head partner in my region today and he said basically Madison wants me and Minneapolis would be interested if I turn down Madison.

I think I said earlier, but Madison seems like the ‘safe’ choice given that I lived there for 5 years and know I love the city and have some friends down there yet. The concern is that I’m not set on being a partner because of the crazy hours/stress of my job so I’m not sure if Madison has the exit opportunities and/or high compensation that Minneapolis would have given it’s size. 🤷‍♂️ Such a tough choice!

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Re: Thinking about moving to Madison, WI or Minneapolis, MN..Any advice?

Post by Glockenspiel » Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:18 am

Dottie57 wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:23 pm
Glockenspiel wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:06 am
Nowizard wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:14 am
Both cold, of course, in winter. Madison smaller with great culture. Political culture very liberal in Madison which is a likely positive or negative these days. Overall, both (Children live in both places) are places where you can find culture, activities, educational opportunities. Minneapolis may be somewhat less in property taxes and housing prices. If not for the weather, we would strongly consider moving from our southern home to Madison due to smaller size.

Tim
What would make you think housing prices would be less in Minneapolis than in Madison? In the desirable parts of Minneapolis, you're lucky to find a 3 bedroom home in good condition for under $500k.
Depends on what you consider desirable. Mom’s first ring suburb house is immaculately maintained. No HOA fees. Nice neighbors. 1200 sq ft , 3 bedrooms, 1 bath room. Semi finished basement - our “family room”

Price - about 250k.
Which first ring suburb? Edina, St. Louis Park, Robbinsdale, Brooklyn Center, Richfield, West St. Paul, etc, are ALL first ring suburbs and they all have DRASTICALLY different housing prices. There's no doubt you can buy a house in a first ring suburb for $250k or even less. My original comment was based on the most-desirable neighborhoods in Minneapolis proper. Mostly the south, southwest, and western portions of Minneapolis.

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Re: Thinking about moving to Madison, WI or Minneapolis, MN..Any advice?

Post by Dottie57 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:46 pm

Glockenspiel wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:18 am
Dottie57 wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:23 pm
Glockenspiel wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:06 am
Nowizard wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:14 am
Both cold, of course, in winter. Madison smaller with great culture. Political culture very liberal in Madison which is a likely positive or negative these days. Overall, both (Children live in both places) are places where you can find culture, activities, educational opportunities. Minneapolis may be somewhat less in property taxes and housing prices. If not for the weather, we would strongly consider moving from our southern home to Madison due to smaller size.

Tim
What would make you think housing prices would be less in Minneapolis than in Madison? In the desirable parts of Minneapolis, you're lucky to find a 3 bedroom home in good condition for under $500k.
Depends on what you consider desirable. Mom’s first ring suburb house is immaculately maintained. No HOA fees. Nice neighbors. 1200 sq ft , 3 bedrooms, 1 bath room. Semi finished basement - our “family room”

Price - about 250k.
Which first ring suburb? Edina, St. Louis Park, Robbinsdale, Brooklyn Center, Richfield, West St. Paul, etc, are ALL first ring suburbs and they all have DRASTICALLY different housing prices. There's no doubt you can buy a house in a first ring suburb for $250k or even less. My original comment was based on the most-desirable neighborhoods in Minneapolis proper. Mostly the south, southwest, and western portions of Minneapolis.
I am talking about Richfield. Recently in the StarTribune newspaper, house in Richfield were the fastes selling - good price and many good neighborhoods.

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Re: Thinking about moving to Madison, WI or Minneapolis, MN..Any advice?

Post by LawEgr1 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:02 pm

TLDR: Move before you get too established! What do you have to lose at this point?

I live in Twin Cities and have spent an enormous amount of time in Madison (and Milwaukee!)

I'm late to the party, but here is my attempt at an un-biased take. Feel free to read my previous posts for perspective.

The Twin Cities offer quite a bit, in my opinion, and I would recommend that you give it a try. You may find that the culture in Madison or WI in general fits you better, as I perceive it to be distinctly different than MN. Note I am not a native of MN.

It's substantially larger than Madison, 3.5MM metro with two unique sides to it. It isn't...small.

For me, if offers the same item you're focusing on - career growth and opportunities. This area has certainly provided growth for my career personally, while being satisfactory for the other half. Those two professions are law and engineering. The market is strong, and provides opportunities to work with larger F500 organizations or smaller privately owned companies of various industries. It isn't a one trick pony.

There's a strong airport, plenty of nice neighborhoods, and I'd venture a guess that crime is relatively low vs. other cities of this size. I'd also venture a guess the cold has something to do with it. You'll find there is plenty to 'do' shall you decide to pursue whatever activity it is. Traffic highly depends on where you live and work. West side is worse than east side, in my experience, plus are you with or against traffic?

Regarding housing - inner ring suburbs, as someone mentioned, are drastically different. I will also tell you that housing is, in general, relatively old for what you get. If you go further our, your commute potentially gets worse but your $ goes farther. Exactly what you'd think would happen. Our home was <200k, is 1400ft2 and built in the 1950s. We have updated the home with $50k in updates. It is 3bd, 1 bth. These are incredibly common statistics on a home. It's a rambler, not a bungalow. Both are incredibly common. 0.25 acre lots common. There are areas that we would avoid, but you need to rent first to understand those pockets. But again, I would just do the ol' sniff test. If you are around an area and think "this is meh", it probably is.

For desired areas like Edina, Minnetonka, Wayzata (think west of MPLS) or other pockets on the N or NE side, things escalate quickly for property and homes. There's no free lunch.

However:

-MN are generally more reserved. Often you do not get a 'hello' from anyone on the sidewalk after you say "hello" in the neighborhood and you may not even get eye contact as they try to avoid you. It's super weird. You'll see.
-Compare this to my experience in Madison and with folks from WI in general, WI people tend to be very outgoing in my experience. Aside from being Packer and Badger homers :) but I like that. (I'm from a rival state not called MN)
-It's pretty cold but you knew that, I hate cold and always have, so that rubs on me a bit. I also dislike snow after awhile, I hate driving in it. (yes, I knew it was cold / snowy here, as I age it just gets worse for me though!) I think fall here is about 2 weeks long before it's fair game for snow. That's a bit tongue in cheek, but that's relative to where I came from which was only one state South. I'd venture a guess the cities are colder than Madison and not sure how spring / fall compare.
-Given that MN are generally more reserved, I'd recommend living in an area with a younger crowd like NE or Uptown to engage friendships more easily, if at all possible. Going straight to a house / 'burb would be awfully challenging to make new friends, in my experience, given the reservedness of MN.
-You'll find MN natives are blinded by only living in the twin cities. They offer everything you'd need, so it's easy to understand how there is no other perspective on areas other than the Twin Cities, but it may wear on you pending the person. I suppose that's could be anywhere you choose to live, but other transplants will be easier to relate to, and also understand the uniqueness of MN culture / persons in general. Again, it's not everyone, so take it with that in mind.


As I list pros and cons, and we get older, I appreciate what the Twin Cities have to offer and certainly understand why people like to live here but often ponder if it's the ideal landing spot for us. For us, long term, it may or may not be a good fit but we just don't know. As we become more 'established' with a little one on the way, we're going to evaluate how it suits us to give it a fair shake as our life changes course with said little one prior to making additional big life changes. But that's for us to figure out :)

Best of luck!
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Re: Thinking about moving to Madison, WI or Minneapolis, MN..Any advice?

Post by paramedic » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:22 pm

I have lived in Minneapolis. It's a nice place, and I generally recommend it. You get used to the weather! From my perspective, the only major downside of Minneapolis is that it sometimes feels like things move a bit slower in Minneapolis as compared to the rest of the nation. Granted, this is very subjective on my part.

I haven't lived in Madison, so I can't comment either way on Madison.

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Re: Thinking about moving to Madison, WI or Minneapolis, MN..Any advice?

Post by malibuboats91 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:09 pm

So I discussed compensation today...I’d bacially get a $3k raise to move to Madison when the cost of living is about 18% higher than where I currently live. Rent alone is about $500/mo more than my current city. I called up my recruiter friend from college and if I left for industry I’d get about a 10% increase over that in Madison.

Now Minneapolis I’d get a larger raise and if I left public accounting I could get a 20-30% raise. It’s a no brainer. I don’t want to put myself in a worse financial position than I am currently so Madison is out.

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