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Post by itstoomuch » Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:01 pm

YMMV :oops: or
YMMV :annoyed
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Post by Boglenaut » Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:09 pm

BogleBoogie wrote:
CABob wrote:I can't recall where I first heard it, but one that always makes me chuckle is:
"Don't believe everything you read on the internet." Abraham Lincoln
I actually know the guy that created that quote/joke who first posted it on this site in '97.
Actually, that was me, and I posted it on a dial-up Bulletin Board System (BBS) in Seattle in 1990. I made a printout on my dot matrix printer.
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Post by LiveSimple » Thu Oct 01, 2015 5:40 am

itstoomuch wrote:YMMV :oops: or
YMMV :annoyed
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Post by grabiner » Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:07 pm

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Post by longinvest » Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:28 am

Here's another gem written lately in a post by forum member and author Rick Ferri:

"[W]hen strategies are touted as producing a free lunch it's what you don't see that gets you." -- Rick Ferri

Reference: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=189264
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Re: [favorite] Boglehead quotes

Post by mickeyd » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:20 pm

I must have read this someplace here during the last few years.

“THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES.”
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Post by LadyGeek » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:43 pm

Here's one recent quote: Subject: Improving Employee Morale
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furnace wrote:Morale is low partly because you're hiring the wrong people. Try to hire people who like the work and appreciate the job. You probably have too many employees who spend more time complaining than doing actual work.
This is pretty darn presumptuous. Blame the employee for poor morale. Might as well say "the beatings will continue until morale improves". I surely hope you are not in management. You have absolutely no idea of the quality of the employees. Neither do I, but I do not assume they are the problem.

Morale is seldom a result of the quality of employees. It is much more likely the type of work, workload, work environment, management, compensation, etc...

Corrected attribution.
Update: Revised post as suggested by longinvest below.
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Post by mickeyd » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:51 pm

Taylor Larimore wrote: Your Plan reflects a reasoned guess but it is almost certain to be wrong. There is no sense worrying about small deviations from a "guess" that was not correct in the first place.
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Post by longinvest » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:55 pm

Mickeyd,

It would be nice if you provided the source posts of your quotes.

LadyGeek,

It would be nice if you provided the actual quote you'd like to highlight in the linked post, along with the forum name of its author.

Thanks in advance to both of you. :wink:
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"Nothing is enough for the man to whom enough is too little."

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Post by snarlyjack » Fri Apr 29, 2016 8:07 am

Concerning financial porn...
"No one knows nothing..."

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Post by oldzey » Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:37 pm

snarlyjack wrote:Concerning financial porn...
"No one knows nothing..."
"I honestly believe it is better to know nothing than to know what ain't so." - Josh Billings (aka Henry Wheeler Shaw)
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Post by friar1610 » Sun May 01, 2016 11:31 am

I just started reading "The Wright Brothers" by David McCullough. Their father, a clergyman, Bishop Milton Wright, said something that sounded very Bogleheadish to me: "All the money anyone needs is just enough to prevent one from being a burden on others."
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Post by grabiner » Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:12 pm

From 30-year STRIPS vs. T-Bonds:
Phineas J. Whoopee wrote:In case the profitability for major finance corporations from disaggregating Treasuries into STRIPS is unclear, it's just like your local grocery store. People are willing to pay more to buy just the parts of the chicken they want than to buy whole chickens.
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Post by Phineas J. Whoopee » Thu Sep 15, 2016 6:24 pm

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Post by Phineas J. Whoopee » Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:06 pm

From 24 year old new dividend portfolio:
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Post by Biffer » Sat Sep 17, 2016 9:19 am

Barefootgirl has quoted a variant of this – I like this one:
pkcrafter wrote: The best approach is to act like a baseball team manager playing against a team you don't know. You spread the defense across the field, not making any big shifts to right or left field, because this strategy will help the players catch the most balls against players they don't know. And most important, when you've decided on a strategy, stay with it, even when it looks like everyone is hitting to right field.
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Post by btenny » Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:19 pm

For the folks out there trying to save for the future I wanted to quote a great American about life, Warren Miller, Ski film maker and outdoor enthusiast.

"You don't have to have lot of money to live a great life." Warren Miller.

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Post by grabiner » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:16 am

Quoted in What we should know before buying Long-term Treasury, LT Corporate Bonds, High-yield Corporate Bonds fund index and, but frequently used in similar form by nisiprius:

"The beer is the same, but mutual fund is the beer in a bottle and ETF is the beer in a can."
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Post by mickeyd » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:43 pm

longinvest wrote:Mickeyd,

It would be nice if you provided the source posts of your quotes.

LadyGeek,

It would be nice if you provided the actual quote you'd like to highlight in the linked post, along with the forum name of its author.

Thanks in advance to both of you. :wink:
The source was this forum and Taylor was the poster. I captured the quote because it made so much sense, as do most of Taylor's quotes do.
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Post by Phineas J. Whoopee » Fri Jan 27, 2017 5:04 pm

Help with Bonds
dbr wrote: ...
The word "safe" has been used and misused in so many ways as to become practically meaningless in these discussions.
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Post by Portfolio7 » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:47 pm

lowerleisureclass wrote:In all the reading I have done over the past few years to educate myself in my ongoing efforts to simplify my portfolio after firing my adviser, the following is hands down the most helpful thing I've read.
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My answer to all such questions is: do it slowly and gradually. If you never make a start, you just remain confronted with the same problem and the same anxiety forever.

The problem is: it's an important decision, and it's human to keep changing your mind.

The answer is: decide what your best thinking is now, and do a little of it. Plan to get to your target allocation, not immediately, but over a period of several years.

* It discharges the anxiety you feel about doing nothing.

* It minimizes the anxiety you feel from making a big commitment, by turning it into a small commitment.

* It minimizes the impact of any decisions you are making due to recency, or faddishness, or panic.

* It forces you to slow down and not do things in a hurry.

It's a long-term decision. You should never feel that there is a rush to do long-term investing.

If you are making the right decision, six months from now it will still look like the right decision. Well, if you make the same decision with 10% of your money every six months, in five years you'll be 100% invested according to plan. But it gives you plenty of time to think about it, to read new headlines.

We talk about dollar cost averaging. It's also important to average out our impulses, our emotions, our mood swings.
+1 This is great stuff. I have had a rule for about 9 years that I never shift more than 10% of my portfolio at once. Thus, if I suddenly realize that one of my funds is not what I thought it was, or that I had misunderstood an asset class somewhat, and need to move it, or that my US/Int'l equity split is suboptimal, I do so a bit at a time. Then, if I happen to realize later that I made a mistake in my assumptions or got a bad steer for whatever reason, little damage is done.
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Re: [favorite] Boglehead quotes

Post by grabiner » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:53 pm

From Allan Roth, at today's Bogleheads annual meeting:

"I charge people $450 an hour to tell them that I don't know the future."
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Post by VictoriaF » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:56 am

grabiner wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:53 pm
From Allan Roth, at today's Bogleheads annual meeting:

"I charge people $450 an hour to tell them that I don't know the future."
I'll quote myself {blushing profusely}:

Yesterday, Gus Sauter gave an excellent presentation on active funds. Among other things he said that active managers always claim that "This year is a stock pickers' year." During the Q&A, I commented that with active funds, "Every year is a pickpocket year."

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Post by SundayMorning » Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:10 am

"The beer is the same, but mutual fund is the beer in a bottle and ETF is the beer in a can."

"Beer tastes better from a bottle than from a can" - me :happy

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Post by 1210sda » Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:46 am

Two quotes from former BH Larry Swedroe that I really like.

1. "Don't confuse strategy with outcome"

2."never treat the highly likely as certain, nor the highly unlikely as impossible".

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Post by A440 » Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:55 pm

"Feed your investments when you're younger, and when you're older, they will feed you"

I'm not sure if I've heard that before, or if I just thought of it? :mrgreen:

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Post by steve roy » Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:00 pm

There are two ways to get rich – make more or desire less. ...
Oh, I donno. I desire LOTS of things. But I resist the impulse to BUY them.

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Post by Taylor Larimore » Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:53 pm

A440 wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:55 pm
"Feed your investments when you're younger, and when you're older, they will feed you"
A440:

Thank you for this important quote I have not heard before.

Best wishes.
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Post by e.s.deslauriers » Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:23 pm

"We ignore the real diamonds of simplicity, seeking instead the illusory rhinestones of complexity."

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Post by Sandtrap » Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:10 pm

From, "Asset Allocation Without Heartburn' viewtopic.php?f=10&t=231433&p=3602546&h ... e#p3602546"

Encouragement from Mentor to Newbie.
"Simple elegance will endure"
Post by Taylor Larimore » Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:12 pm
It reminds me why Boglehead basics and simple elegance will endure smoke, mirrors, trends, and the flavor of the month. :D
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Great quote!

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Post by VictoriaF » Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:32 pm

I've heard on a podcast:

You can have easy decisions and difficult life, or you can have difficult decisions and easy life.

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Post by willthrill81 » Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:35 pm

"Take your risk on the equity side."
- Larry Swedroe
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Post by Miriam2 » Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:35 pm

"Working to the day you drop is one way to avoid the need for any retirement savings :wink: "
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Post by VictoriaF » Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:36 pm

Bill Bernstein: "If you know enough to select a financial adviser, you don' t need one"

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Post by Grt2bOutdoors » Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:47 pm

There are many roads to Dublin - Taylor Larimore

One should invest according to their need, ability and willingness to accept risk - Larry Swedroe

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Post by VictoriaF » Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:46 am

Grt2bOutdoors wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:47 pm
"I'm working on my second million, the first one I lost" - forum poster
Ouch! It hurts even to read,

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Post by DWesterb2iz2 » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:08 pm

It's not a quote, but bigred77 had a post I loved in the thread "What is a boglehead?" (defining Bogleheads in three words).
viewtopic.php?t=164330

Anyway bigred77's post still makes me laugh:

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Post by blackcat allie » Tue May 01, 2018 1:24 pm

"As I see it, there are two approaches to investing: 1) Buy & Hold Forever the World Index and 2) everything else.
Everything else employs some combination of security selection and market timing.
Does anyone do 1? No, everyone falls into the second camp. Then it comes down to how far you deviate from 1."

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    from thread "Boglehead contradiction, constant asset allocation is market timing" 2/28/18

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    Post by A440 » Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:56 pm

    I was reminded of two more today:

    -"Be counter-cultural in a culture that's lost its mind" (Dave Ramsey)

    -"Comparison is the Thief of Joy" (Theodore Roosevelt)

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    Post by chw » Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:09 pm

    "Nobody knows the market"...

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    Post by stemikger » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:12 pm

    A440 wrote:
    Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:56 pm
    I was reminded of two more today:

    -"Be counter-cultural in a culture that's lost its mind" (Dave Ramsey)

    -"Comparison is the Thief of Joy" (Theodore Roosevelt)
    +1

    Who I like those!!

    The second one is so true!!
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    "Gracias por leer"
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    Post by celia » Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:21 pm

    This isn't a quote so much as a way of looking at past taxes due and the associated penalties. I never quite considered it this way before, but it is true:
    spectec wrote:
    Fri May 01, 2015 7:53 am
    Since you're getting philosophical about the situation, here's some food for thought. I've often had this conversation with people over the yerars regarding "sudden" tax debts.

    Once the proper tax debt has been established to everyone's satisfaction, it really isn't a new debt, in the sense that a sudden medical emergency, home repair, or auto accident is a "NEW" financial burden. Fact is, that tax debt existed from the moment the taxable event occurred, and the taxpayer derived some financial benefit from the earnings which created the tax debt. I'm not even suggesting that the amount of the tax was fair or justifiable, but it exists under the same rules played by everyone who pays their taxes on time.

    What they did with the unpaid tax money is a separate issue related to spending habits. Maybe they bought a new boat, or paid a divorce lawyer, or paid college tuition, or paid off a settlment to an ex spouse. They did this with money that they would have otherwise borrowed or taken from savings. The point is that the taxpayer took money which was supposed to be used to pay their taxes and they spent it somewhere else. They essentially borowed from the taxpayers to fund something they wanted or needed.

    The cost of borrowing this money from the taxpayers is the interest and penalties which must be paid on the borrowed money. Sometimes this cost of borrowing is quite steep, especially when one incurs late filing penalties of up to 25% of the unpaid tax. Otherwise, the combined interest and failure to pay penalties will average about 9 or 10% APR. Not exactly prime rates, but neither does it approach charge card rates - it isn't a bad rate for an unsecured loan. The fact that interest and penalties are not deductible isn't relevant, since interest on consumer debt isn't tax deductible either. It's all just a cost of borrowinig money to obtain some sort of alternative gratification.

    None of the above changes the fact that you presumably didn't benefit from any of the mis-spent tax money. It doesn't change the fact that you weren't aware of the debt and it's now a big surprise to you. But I can guarantee you that once the validity of the initial tax debt is etablished, it's a fact that somebody realized some benefit (tangible or intangible), from whatever use was made of the unpaid taxes. Everything else is just a cost of obtaining that benefit.

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    "Simplify. Simplify."

    Post by Taylor Larimore » Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:33 am

    Bogleheads:

    Many years ago, a young lady gave me a book written by the great philosopher, Henry David Thoreau. The title of the book was "Walden." It is the account of two years in which Mr. Thoreau built a cabin, raised his own food, and lived a life of simplicity in the woods near the edge of Walden Pond in Concord, Massachusetts.

    In this book he wrote the words that changed my life:

    "Our life is frittered away by detail... simplify, simplify."

    Thank you, Mary, and Mr. Thoreau.

    Best wishes.
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    Post by BlackStrat » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:17 am

    Here's a quote I've seen around here that I believe is attributed to Warren Buffett:

    "A bull market is like sex. It feels best just before it ends."

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    Post by FrugalInvestor » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:34 am

    BogleBoogie wrote:
    Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:53 pm
    CABob wrote:I can't recall where I first heard it, but one that always makes me chuckle is:
    "Don't believe everything you read on the internet." Abraham Lincoln
    I actually know the guy that created that quote/joke who first posted it on this site in '97.
    I bet the guy was Abraham Lincoln.
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    Post by book lover » Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:23 pm

    " Money don't make you happy and happy don't make you money." Groucho Marx

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    Post by Miriam2 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:22 pm

    "We live in a risky world. But you have to invest. If you put nothing away for retirement, I can tell you, to the last penny, how much you will have when you retire: nothing."

    -- Jack Bogle (Bloomberg, Michael Regan interview, 11/23/2016)

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