Rentals are even worse, yes, since they tend to put both fobs on a single steel loop.
I'm not happy about that...
Rentals are even worse, yes, since they tend to put both fobs on a single steel loop.
Agreed; but Jack FFR1846 was from context talking about the remote start capability and The Wizard responded as if it was about the push button ignition.cherijoh wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:07 pmBut the linked article isn't about remote start feature. It is about people who forget to turn off their cars after driving them into their garages.JamesSFO wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 7:36 amI believe you are misparsing, not disable push start/stop, but disable use of the remote to REMOTELY start the car.The Wizard wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 7:23 amIf I somehow disabled my push button start/stop, my truck would just be a lawn ornament henceforth. There's no other way to start the vehicle, without some custom aftermarket work.Jack FFR1846 wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 7:19 am They are easy to disable. I did so on the used outback we bought
That sounds like someone who's never been a woman alone in a parking garage at night..lthenderson wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:19 pm
I've been known to hit the freaking PANIC BUTTON on the stupid fob in my pocket, causing the horn to honk incessantly. Talk about stupid useless features...
Good point, just had a Mercedes a couple weeks ago in Germany with the auto-start/stop feature; I've also had it on several rentals in the US (including a Chevy Malibu IIRC).TravelGeek wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 4:28 pmRight, but there are other non-hybrid vehicles now that stop the (gasoline) engine when you come to a stop (eg red light) and automatically restart it when you push the gas pedal. Pretty much every rental car in Europe seems to have it. Not sure if I have come across it in the US other than with hybrid vehicles (the US rentals I get tend to be more barebones).
http://autoweek.com/article/technology/ ... k-explains
So it could be that people drive one of those vehicles into the garage, put it park, and the engine stops but is in the auto-stop mode and not really permanently turned off. And could turn back on for climate control reasons.
I have had keyless ignition vehicles for 15 years now. Don’t think I would ever go back to the old system. But I do admit that there have been two or three cases when for whatever reasons I didn’t turn off the vehicle before I got out. The vehicle then beeps at me and also won’t let me lock it. I never ignore that warning.
Regarding remote start, never had a vehicle with that feature. Now I have an EV that lets me start the heater/AC remotely.
Just for the record, that isn't my quote.Hug401k wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 9:50 pmThat sounds like someone who's never been a woman alone in a parking garage at night..lthenderson wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:19 pm
I've been known to hit the freaking PANIC BUTTON on the stupid fob in my pocket, causing the horn to honk incessantly. Talk about stupid useless features...
For the record, the NYT story has nothing to do with remote starters, as many of you have commented on, it's all about keyless fobs, and how you can walk away with it and the car stays on indefinitely.
lol...sorry, I had a brain freeze. Has been about 10 years since I have had car that uses a traditional key.Rupert wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 4:18 pmWhy would that make any difference when you can remove the keyless fob from the car without turning the car off? (In contrast, if you keep your traditional car key and house key on the same ring, you must remove the car key from the ignition before using your house key).cusetownusa wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 4:08 pmWouldn't most people keep their key fob on the same key ring as well?Rupert wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 11:12 amDon't know if such stats exist, but my guess is the number of deaths is lower or nonexistent because most people keep their house key and car key on the same keyring.
Makes sense.The Wizard wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 4:54 pmNo, we wouldn't.cusetownusa wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 4:08 pm
Wouldn't most people keep their key fob on the same key ring as well?
The fobs are too clunky and I have two of them.
So I keep my two car key fobs separate from all my other keys...
You might want to Google how to open a garage door that is shut by an opener. In short, it takes about 15 seconds...cusetownusa wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:32 am I am assuming most people that park in the garage don't need a key to get into the house...At least i Know i never lock the door that leads into the house from the garage.
+1. I'm kinda surprised how many Bogleheads leave the door between their garage and house unlocked. It's so easy to break into a garage.RickBoglehead wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:39 amYou might want to Google how to open a garage door that is shut by an opener. In short, it takes about 15 seconds...cusetownusa wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:32 am I am assuming most people that park in the garage don't need a key to get into the house...At least i Know i never lock the door that leads into the house from the garage.
We always lock the interior door in the garage, with the deadbolt, AND set the home alarm.
RickBoglehead wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:39 amYou might want to Google how to open a garage door that is shut by an opener. In short, it takes about 15 seconds...cusetownusa wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:32 am I am assuming most people that park in the garage don't need a key to get into the house...At least i Know i never lock the door that leads into the house from the garage.
We always lock the interior door in the garage, with the deadbolt, AND set the home alarm.
That's just how the house was when we bought it. I will get a deadbolt for it now...thanks for the advice.Rupert wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:46 am+1. I'm kinda surprised how many Bogleheads leave the door between their garage and house unlocked. It's so easy to break into a garage.RickBoglehead wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:39 amYou might want to Google how to open a garage door that is shut by an opener. In short, it takes about 15 seconds...cusetownusa wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:32 am I am assuming most people that park in the garage don't need a key to get into the house...At least i Know i never lock the door that leads into the house from the garage.
We always lock the interior door in the garage, with the deadbolt, AND set the home alarm.
I bolt the exterior garage door when I'm home. Since there is no exterior handle for the bolts they'd have to cut through the door to open it. I'm not particularly worried about that since the house has windows.RickBoglehead wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:39 am We always lock the interior door in the garage, with the deadbolt, AND set the home alarm.
I don't use a house key since I pull right into the garage and I don't lock the door that goes into the house. That is what I love about the keyless start-I just leave the fob in my purse and I don't have to deal with keys at all. I've never forgotten to turn off the car, and it didn't take me any time to get used to it.cusetownusa wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 4:08 pmWouldn't most people keep their key fob on the same key ring as well?Rupert wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 11:12 amDon't know if such stats exist, but my guess is the number of deaths is lower or nonexistent because most people keep their house key and car key on the same keyring.
Unless you put a fifty cent wire lock pin in the quick release handle. Then the break-into-the-garage-trick no longer works and it adds a second or two for the owner to pull the release pin in the rare case the electricity goes out and you need to leave. This is much more convenient than having to lock and unlock the door between the garage and house.Rupert wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:46 am+1. I'm kinda surprised how many Bogleheads leave the door between their garage and house unlocked. It's so easy to break into a garage.RickBoglehead wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:39 amYou might want to Google how to open a garage door that is shut by an opener. In short, it takes about 15 seconds...cusetownusa wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:32 am I am assuming most people that park in the garage don't need a key to get into the house...At least i Know i never lock the door that leads into the house from the garage.
We always lock the interior door in the garage, with the deadbolt, AND set the home alarm.
I apologize for my ignorance...are you saying that there is a way to secure your garage door so that people can't break into it easily? What do I need to do this?lthenderson wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 1:04 pm
Unless you put a fifty cent wire lock pin in the quick release handle. Then the break-into-the-garage-trick no longer works and it adds a second or two for the owner to pull the release pin in the rare case the electricity goes out and you need to leave. This is much more convenient than having to lock and unlock the door between the garage and house.
The videos I have seen are all of somebody bowing the garage door out, reaching in with a wire (while looking through the door window) and pulling on the quick release handle which separate the door from the drive train. On my opener, there is a hole in the quick release handle that corresponds with a hole in the bar that holds the chain that lifts the door up and down. By putting something in that hole, a bolt or lock pin, it doesn't allow the quick release handle from being tripped until the pin or bolt is removed. Burglars can fish all they want with a piece of wire and they aren't going to be able to open it short of brute force pulling the door off. Even if there is no corresponding hole on an older system, a fifty cent hose clamp to prevent it from being triggered will work though it will take a little more time on your part to undo should you ever need to get out of the garage door when the electricity is off.cusetownusa wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 1:42 pmI apologize for my ignorance...are you saying that there is a way to secure your garage door so that people can't break into it easily? What do I need to do this?lthenderson wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 1:04 pm
Unless you put a fifty cent wire lock pin in the quick release handle. Then the break-into-the-garage-trick no longer works and it adds a second or two for the owner to pull the release pin in the rare case the electricity goes out and you need to leave. This is much more convenient than having to lock and unlock the door between the garage and house.
If you don't care about damage (and burglar's typically do not care), that's a lot of trouble to go through to enter a house. Breaking a window is much faster, and easier. With simple tools, it makes a lot less noise and is stealthier than forcing a whole garage door.lthenderson wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 2:11 pmThe videos I have seen are all of somebody bowing the garage door out, reaching in with a wire (while looking through the door window) and pulling on the quick release handle which separate the door from the drive train. On my opener, there is a hole in the quick release handle that corresponds with a hole in the bar that holds the chain that lifts the door up and down. By putting something in that hole, a bolt or lock pin, it doesn't allow the quick release handle from being tripped until the pin or bolt is removed. Burglars can fish all they want with a piece of wire and they aren't going to be able to open it short of brute force pulling the door off. Even if there is no corresponding hole on an older system, a fifty cent hose clamp to prevent it from being triggered will work though it will take a little more time on your part to undo should you ever need to get out of the garage door when the electricity is off.cusetownusa wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 1:42 pmI apologize for my ignorance...are you saying that there is a way to secure your garage door so that people can't break into it easily? What do I need to do this?lthenderson wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 1:04 pm
Unless you put a fifty cent wire lock pin in the quick release handle. Then the break-into-the-garage-trick no longer works and it adds a second or two for the owner to pull the release pin in the rare case the electricity goes out and you need to leave. This is much more convenient than having to lock and unlock the door between the garage and house.
I'm trying to figure out what remote start has to do with the story quoted from NY Times. If you read the story in the first post, it describes a problem where people people apparently leave the vehicles they just parked in their garage with the engine still running, leading to an indoor carbon monoxide situation in the house that they entered after coming home. I'm still not sure why folks leave an engine running. Whether there is a key to turn or STOP button to press, I've never had any trouble turning OFF the car after I park and before I leave it, whether in a garage or outside. But apparently some folks are having difficulty remembering to turn off their vehicle.JamesSFO wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 7:36 amI believe you are misparsing, not disable push start/stop, but disable use of the remote to REMOTELY start the car.The Wizard wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 7:23 amIf I somehow disabled my push button start/stop, my truck would just be a lawn ornament henceforth. There's no other way to start the vehicle, without some custom aftermarket work.Jack FFR1846 wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 7:19 am They are easy to disable. I did so on the used outback we bought
Remote start has nothing to do with the NYT story.criticalmass wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 3:03 pm I'm trying to figure out what remote start has to do with the story quoted from NY Times. If you read the story in the first post, it describes a problem where people people apparently leave the vehicles they just parked in their garage with the engine still running, leading to an indoor carbon monoxide situation in the house that they entered after coming home. I'm still not sure why folks leave an engine running. Whether there is a key to turn or STOP button to press, I've never had any trouble turning OFF the car after I park and before I leave it, whether in a garage or outside. But apparently some folks are having difficulty remembering to turn off their vehicle.
Good idea.lthenderson wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 2:11 pmThe videos I have seen are all of somebody bowing the garage door out, reaching in with a wire (while looking through the door window) and pulling on the quick release handle which separate the door from the drive train. On my opener, there is a hole in the quick release handle that corresponds with a hole in the bar that holds the chain that lifts the door up and down. By putting something in that hole, a bolt or lock pin, it doesn't allow the quick release handle from being tripped until the pin or bolt is removed. Burglars can fish all they want with a piece of wire and they aren't going to be able to open it short of brute force pulling the door off. Even if there is no corresponding hole on an older system, a fifty cent hose clamp to prevent it from being triggered will work though it will take a little more time on your part to undo should you ever need to get out of the garage door when the electricity is off.cusetownusa wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 1:42 pmI apologize for my ignorance...are you saying that there is a way to secure your garage door so that people can't break into it easily? What do I need to do this?lthenderson wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 1:04 pm
Unless you put a fifty cent wire lock pin in the quick release handle. Then the break-into-the-garage-trick no longer works and it adds a second or two for the owner to pull the release pin in the rare case the electricity goes out and you need to leave. This is much more convenient than having to lock and unlock the door between the garage and house.
That’s ultimately what I always default too... if someone really wanted to get into my house they will just break a window.criticalmass wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 2:52 pmIf you don't care about damage (and burglar's typically do not care), that's a lot of trouble to go through to enter a house. Breaking a window is much faster, and easier. With simple tools, it makes a lot less noise and is stealthier than forcing a whole garage door.lthenderson wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 2:11 pmThe videos I have seen are all of somebody bowing the garage door out, reaching in with a wire (while looking through the door window) and pulling on the quick release handle which separate the door from the drive train. On my opener, there is a hole in the quick release handle that corresponds with a hole in the bar that holds the chain that lifts the door up and down. By putting something in that hole, a bolt or lock pin, it doesn't allow the quick release handle from being tripped until the pin or bolt is removed. Burglars can fish all they want with a piece of wire and they aren't going to be able to open it short of brute force pulling the door off. Even if there is no corresponding hole on an older system, a fifty cent hose clamp to prevent it from being triggered will work though it will take a little more time on your part to undo should you ever need to get out of the garage door when the electricity is off.cusetownusa wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 1:42 pmI apologize for my ignorance...are you saying that there is a way to secure your garage door so that people can't break into it easily? What do I need to do this?lthenderson wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 1:04 pm
Unless you put a fifty cent wire lock pin in the quick release handle. Then the break-into-the-garage-trick no longer works and it adds a second or two for the owner to pull the release pin in the rare case the electricity goes out and you need to leave. This is much more convenient than having to lock and unlock the door between the garage and house.
You really need to watch the video to understand. It takes only a few seconds to get in via the garage door and leaves no trace behind that someone broke into the house which is why burglars prefer this method over simply breaking a window. Also neighbors report broken windows but probably wouldn't report a garage door left open. What is seen in this video could be easily prevented with a pipe clamp and a screwdriver.criticalmass wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 2:52 pmIf you don't care about damage (and burglar's typically do not care), that's a lot of trouble to go through to enter a house. Breaking a window is much faster, and easier. With simple tools, it makes a lot less noise and is stealthier than forcing a whole garage door.lthenderson wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 2:11 pmThe videos I have seen are all of somebody bowing the garage door out, reaching in with a wire (while looking through the door window) and pulling on the quick release handle which separate the door from the drive train. On my opener, there is a hole in the quick release handle that corresponds with a hole in the bar that holds the chain that lifts the door up and down. By putting something in that hole, a bolt or lock pin, it doesn't allow the quick release handle from being tripped until the pin or bolt is removed. Burglars can fish all they want with a piece of wire and they aren't going to be able to open it short of brute force pulling the door off. Even if there is no corresponding hole on an older system, a fifty cent hose clamp to prevent it from being triggered will work though it will take a little more time on your part to undo should you ever need to get out of the garage door when the electricity is off.cusetownusa wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 1:42 pmI apologize for my ignorance...are you saying that there is a way to secure your garage door so that people can't break into it easily? What do I need to do this?lthenderson wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 1:04 pm
Unless you put a fifty cent wire lock pin in the quick release handle. Then the break-into-the-garage-trick no longer works and it adds a second or two for the owner to pull the release pin in the rare case the electricity goes out and you need to leave. This is much more convenient than having to lock and unlock the door between the garage and house.
lthenderson wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 8:51 amJust for the record, that isn't my quote.Hug401k wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 9:50 pmThat sounds like someone who's never been a woman alone in a parking garage at night..lthenderson wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:19 pm
I've been known to hit the freaking PANIC BUTTON on the stupid fob in my pocket, causing the horn to honk incessantly. Talk about stupid useless features...
For the record, the NYT story has nothing to do with remote starters, as many of you have commented on, it's all about keyless fobs, and how you can walk away with it and the car stays on indefinitely.
Good point, agree fully. In area where we live - believe our city code requires C0+Smoke unit on any living space above garage, and near entryway to the house (usually either mud-room, or utility room); If you have gas-drier ., wouldn't you be happy to have one in Garage AND Utility room too? Of course, all open-areas and bedrooms ought to have smoke detectors .. all connected/wired .. If one unit goes Off, every-unit blows-off alarm.DaftInvestor wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 3:45 pm Why does the NYT's article blame the car versus the lack of a CO detector by the home-owner?
Everyone with an attached garage should have at least one CO-detector alarm.
My wife once left her car running in the garage WITH A KEY. Not sure of statistics of people that leave their cars running with a push-button versus a key - but to me - this is a danger with a gas engine not with a pushbutton (the person cited in the article may have left their car running even with a key - we don't know) - you need a CO detector.
Same with my 2012 Lexus IS350.rgs92 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 11:40 am It is interesting that, if I get out of my '14 Lexus and leave it running while in Park with the key fob sitting on the passenger seat, there are no warnings of any kind and it seems like it will just keep running until it runs out of gas.
(I assume it will just keep running that long... I never let it actually run that long to test this.)
Any car I'm aware of, new or old, keyed or keyless, will keep running if it is left running with the key in it. Should it work differently?It is interesting that, if I get out of my '14 Lexus and leave it running while in Park with the key fob sitting on the passenger seat, there are no warnings of any kind and it seems like it will just keep running until it runs out of gas.
(I assume it will just keep running that long... I never let it actually run that long to test this.)
My 2004 Lexus will also keep running without warning until I remove the key by twisting and pulling it away. That’s handy while melting ice, etc. It doesn’t give a warning either that it is running (other than the tachometer showing a non zero number), I can’t say I ever expected it to.rgs92 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 11:40 am It is interesting that, if I get out of my '14 Lexus and leave it running while in Park with the key fob sitting on the passenger seat, there are no warnings of any kind and it seems like it will just keep running until it runs out of gas.
(I assume it will just keep running that long... I never let it actually run that long to test this.)