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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by topper1296 » Tue May 15, 2018 7:25 am

alfaspider wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 9:54 am
ad2007 wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 8:52 am
Oh, NASCAR runs the Camry.

I often see the Camry recommended, so that's it, That must be the Boglehead Muscle Car
NSACAR runs a tube frame race car with "Camry" written on it. The name is the only thing the race car has in common with the production car.
Agreed. There is nothing that is "stock" in what is supposed to be stock car racing.

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by midareff » Tue May 15, 2018 3:28 pm

chevca wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 7:18 am
midareff wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 7:07 am
Best buddy at the time had a Catalina 2+2, 421 Tri-power, as much "muscle car"
Nice! Not many will know what that one is. Yes, I'd put that in the group. Although, they were the muscle before the well known muscle cars. The early 1960s Impalas with the 409 would be in that pre-muscle group also.
Not to mention the guys that ordered an Impala with a the big block and a Nova with a 302 and then swapped them. Plymouth had a push button automatic 3 speed that when equipped with a 383 in a Plymouth Satellite was mighty quick too. All way before Super Bees and winged wonders. Ahhh... the good old days when a 0-60 time under 6 seconds was almost unreachable, and a car that could do it was awful around a corner.

I think we are spoiled these days..... in cabin electronic switch select-able engine, drive train and suspension performance, pedestrian warning, lane keeping assists, follow distance keeping, seat heat and air-conditioning, self parking and pull out, 360 degree cameras and of course navigation and heads up data. .... and AI is coming soon. By the time I'm too blind or numb with oldzheimers there will be Joe the robot to drive me where I want to go.... LOL, Joe.. to the Tavern.

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by munemaker » Tue May 15, 2018 4:29 pm

midareff wrote:
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Not to mention the guys that ordered an Impala with a the big block and a Nova with a 302 and then swapped them.
Are you sure you don't mean ordered the Nova with a 307?

The only Chevrolet that was available with a 302 was the Z/28 Camaro, and that was to comply with rules for racing in the Trans Am series. No 302 in the Nova, although the Nova was offered with a 307.

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by chevca » Tue May 15, 2018 5:16 pm

Good point... the 302 was Camaro only.

The early Nova's could have the 283, the mid-60's could have the 327 (which was a nice little engine), and by the late 60's the Nova could be ordered with a big block. Hopefully mid meant the 283 or 327. The later 307 was a dog!

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by munemaker » Tue May 15, 2018 5:37 pm

chevca wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 5:16 pm
Good point... the 302 was Camaro only.

The early Nova's could have the 283, the mid-60's could have the 327 (which was a nice little engine), and by the late 60's the Nova could be ordered with a big block. Hopefully mid meant the 283 or 327. The later 307 was a dog!
Mid was saying people changed out the stock engine and installed big block. I never heard of that myself, but if that was your plan, it could make sense to order with the 307 since you are going to chuck it anyway.

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by dknightd » Tue May 15, 2018 5:54 pm

alfaspider wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 6:31 pm
horrific depreciation.
That can be an advantage to a BH ;) Buy used, but not classic (unless you could convince yourself it was an investment) ;)
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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by dknightd » Tue May 15, 2018 5:59 pm

ronteller11 wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 7:25 am
Plus it is mostly the appearance of muscle without the performance/noise I am chasing after
Would this be a daily driver, or would you consider renting one just for when you wanted it?
It is not clear to me what you are "chasing after".

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by camden » Tue May 15, 2018 6:27 pm

Go classic. 1967 Mustang V8.

That was my first car. Would accelerate like a bat out of Hades. Wish I had kept it. Sigh.

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by chevca » Tue May 15, 2018 7:22 pm

My feeling is the OP wants a daily driver and a modern car. Many of us have taken this off into a convo of old muscle. But, I don't think the OP wants anything over a few years old.

Of course we haven't heard from the OP and we've just hijacked the thread into discussing what a muscle car is, so we have no idea what we were even talking about. :happy

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by munemaker » Tue May 15, 2018 7:27 pm

chevca wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 7:22 pm
My feeling is the OP wants a daily driver and a modern car.
Agree. A recent year Mustang or Camaro with the smaller engine is what he wants. No vintage cars, no mods. And the smaller engines in these cars are strong performers, equivalent to the muscle cars back in the day.

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by jeffG » Tue May 15, 2018 8:15 pm

jehovasfitness wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 1:56 pm
jeffG wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 8:38 am
If it’s going to be a summer car, a C5 corvette is a good choice. You can get a immaculate, low mileage, 6 speed convertible for under $15K, have a 170 mph car that still gets 30 mpg on the highway. If you want something newer, 2011 or newer mustang Gt’s are good choices, just look for the garage Queen not the daily driver.
Where do you live? You're not gonna get that for under $15k on the east coast.

I bought a 2004 z06 last year w/23k miles for $20k and that was a bargain imo

now, if you're talking 100k miles perhaps
last fall I bought a 99, 6 speed vert with 39k miles for $14K, car was immaculate, said it was never driven in the rain and under the hood shows it. You do pay a little more for a z06, and more as they get newer. But nothing wrong with the early c5s. I’m in the upper Midwest.

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by chevca » Tue May 15, 2018 10:00 pm

Sorry, guys, I like Vettes too. But, they're not muscle cars.

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by ReadyOrNot » Wed May 16, 2018 12:45 am

For straight-ahead performance, the Toyota Prius was an economical choice which people tried out after hearing (years ago) that Al Gore's son (also named Al Gore) had been caught speeding over 100 mph in a Prius. It became known that it's top speed, well over 100 mph, was actually software-limited to avoid going too fast to keep the battery charged.
Also the Toyota Echo was a very light car which reportedly could go fast in a straight line if a big engine were installed.

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by midareff » Wed May 16, 2018 6:46 am

munemaker wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 5:37 pm
chevca wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 5:16 pm
Good point... the 302 was Camaro only.

The early Nova's could have the 283, the mid-60's could have the 327 (which was a nice little engine), and by the late 60's the Nova could be ordered with a big block. Hopefully mid meant the 283 or 327. The later 307 was a dog!
Mid was saying people changed out the stock engine and installed big block. I never heard of that myself, but if that was your plan, it could make sense to order with the 307 since you are going to chuck it anyway.
It was 327 actually (my bad) and by the end of the 60's it could ordered with the big block. The 327 was to go in the Impala that was the big block donor before the big block was available in the Nova. Not that it's all crystal clear like it was yesterday.

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by iLikeMMT » Wed May 16, 2018 7:42 am

Ford Focus ZX3 gen 1 is the value investor’s alternative to the Civic coupe.

Chevy Volt is a sleeper and has huge torque from a standstill. Electric motors offer a very different experience.

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by alfaspider » Wed May 16, 2018 8:11 am

dknightd wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 5:54 pm
alfaspider wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 6:31 pm
horrific depreciation.
That can be an advantage to a BH ;) Buy used, but not classic (unless you could convince yourself it was an investment) ;)
True, but you also have horrific parts prices to contend with on maintenance. They can be OK if you are willing to do your own wrenching, but they are also not a particularly easy car to wrench on. I recall a pretty epic thread over at grass roots motorsports about a guy who rebuilt the motor in his R63 AMG:

https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum ... 24/page38/

Instead of paying $50k (on a car worth $30k) for a new motor on installed by the dealer, he spent a mere year and hundreds of hours doing it himself.

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by alfaspider » Wed May 16, 2018 8:16 am

ReadyOrNot wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 12:45 am
For straight-ahead performance, the Toyota Prius was an economical choice which people tried out after hearing (years ago) that Al Gore's son (also named Al Gore) had been caught speeding over 100 mph in a Prius. It became known that it's top speed, well over 100 mph, was actually software-limited to avoid going too fast to keep the battery charged.
Also the Toyota Echo was a very light car which reportedly could go fast in a straight line if a big engine were installed.
100mph is not particularly fast for a reasonably aerodynamic car. At a 10+ second 0-60 time, it is one of the slowest cars you can buy for real-world driving despite its good aerodynamics (which would allow a relatively high top speed for its power). A base Corolla is a full second faster to 60.

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by bh7785 » Wed May 16, 2018 9:38 am

FlyAF wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 8:46 am
Don't buy a v6 mustang, camaro, or charger/challenger. Aside from being boring to drive, it will be completely worthless in a few years where as the v8 version should retain value pretty well.

Besides, everyone laughs at the guy driving a v6 camaro/mustang.
Hahaha, so true!

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by srt7 » Wed May 16, 2018 10:53 am

Boglehead muscle car?

That's gotta be a ... 10 year old red Toyota Corolla with a spoiler and a sport badge

I kid ... :sharebeer
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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by munemaker » Wed May 16, 2018 11:25 am

bh7785 wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 9:38 am
FlyAF wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 8:46 am
Don't buy a v6 mustang, camaro, or charger/challenger. Aside from being boring to drive, it will be completely worthless in a few years where as the v8 version should retain value pretty well.

Besides, everyone laughs at the guy driving a v6 camaro/mustang.
Hahaha, so true!
You guys are wrong. I think that was true back in the day when 6 cylinder Mustangs were termed "secretaries' cars", but the performance of modern cars has improved tremendously. The smaller engines in today's muscle cars result in better acceleration and handling than the muscle cars of the past that so many on this thread long for.

For example, the 2018 4-cylinder turbo Mustang produces 310 Hp w) 350 lb. ft of torque on 93 octane pump gas, while getting 21 city/30 highway. Has a 0-60 mph time of 5.3 mph and turns the quarter in 13.9 seconds. For comparison, a 1970 Boss 302 did 0-60 in 6.4 seconds and the quarter in 14.7 seconds. Another comparison is the 1969 Mustang Mach 1 clocked 0-60 mph at 5.6 seconds and ran the quarter in 14.1 seconds. And handling...no comparison with independent suspension on the new Mustangs.

The smaller engines in muscle cars are nothing to be embarrassed about.

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by thangngo » Wed May 16, 2018 11:31 am

ReadyOrNot wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 12:45 am
For straight-ahead performance, the Toyota Prius was an economical choice which people tried out after hearing (years ago) that Al Gore's son (also named Al Gore) had been caught speeding over 100 mph in a Prius. It became known that it's top speed, well over 100 mph, was actually software-limited to avoid going too fast to keep the battery charged.
Also the Toyota Echo was a very light car which reportedly could go fast in a straight line if a big engine were installed.
HAHAHAHAHA

Prius? Prius? :oops:

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by chevca » Wed May 16, 2018 11:42 am

munemaker wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 11:25 am
bh7785 wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 9:38 am
FlyAF wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 8:46 am
Don't buy a v6 mustang, camaro, or charger/challenger. Aside from being boring to drive, it will be completely worthless in a few years where as the v8 version should retain value pretty well.

Besides, everyone laughs at the guy driving a v6 camaro/mustang.
Hahaha, so true!
You guys are wrong. I think that was true back in the day when 6 cylinder Mustangs were termed "secretaries' cars", but the performance of modern cars has improved tremendously. The smaller engines in today's muscle cars result in better acceleration and handling than the muscle cars of the past that so many on this thread long for.

For example, the 2018 4-cylinder turbo Mustang produces 310 Hp w) 350 lb. ft of torque on 93 octane pump gas, while getting 21 city/30 highway. Has a 0-60 mph time of 5.3 mph and turns the quarter in 13.9 seconds. For comparison, a 1970 Boss 302 did 0-60 in 6.4 seconds and the quarter in 14.7 seconds. Another comparison is the 1969 Mustang Mach 1 clocked 0-60 mph at 5.6 seconds and ran the quarter in 14.1 seconds. And handling...no comparison with independent suspension on the new Mustangs.

The smaller engines in muscle cars are nothing to be embarrassed about.
That's nice and all. But, neither of those posters said anything about new V6 performance compared to old car performance. How does your 2018 4-cyl. Mustang compare to a 2018 V8 Mustang?

And, handling, yes, the new cars win hands down. But, those old cars were very traction challenged on those old tires. Simply putting better tires on those old Mustangs lowers those acceleration numbers a good bit.

No need to be embarrassed about a modern smaller engine. But, no need to pretend it's like a modern V8 either. Apples to apples and all.....

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by bh7785 » Wed May 16, 2018 11:59 am

munemaker wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 11:25 am
bh7785 wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 9:38 am
FlyAF wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 8:46 am
Don't buy a v6 mustang, camaro, or charger/challenger. Aside from being boring to drive, it will be completely worthless in a few years where as the v8 version should retain value pretty well.

Besides, everyone laughs at the guy driving a v6 camaro/mustang.
Hahaha, so true!
You guys are wrong. I think that was true back in the day when 6 cylinder Mustangs were termed "secretaries' cars", but the performance of modern cars has improved tremendously. The smaller engines in today's muscle cars result in better acceleration and handling than the muscle cars of the past that so many on this thread long for.

For example, the 2018 4-cylinder turbo Mustang produces 310 Hp w) 350 lb. ft of torque on 93 octane pump gas, while getting 21 city/30 highway. Has a 0-60 mph time of 5.3 mph and turns the quarter in 13.9 seconds. For comparison, a 1970 Boss 302 did 0-60 in 6.4 seconds and the quarter in 14.7 seconds. Another comparison is the 1969 Mustang Mach 1 clocked 0-60 mph at 5.6 seconds and ran the quarter in 14.1 seconds. And handling...no comparison with independent suspension on the new Mustangs.

The smaller engines in muscle cars are nothing to be embarrassed about.
I'm still going to give a guy driving a v6 mustang a hard time. He should have gotten an ecoboost or 5.0.

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by Doom&Gloom » Wed May 16, 2018 12:59 pm

ronteller11 wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 7:25 am
Owning a muscle car doesn’t seem to be a very economical thing to do. But for those that do, which is the best choice? I have been looking at the more fuel efficient v6/ecoboost, love the look of the challenger/charger but not too excited about Chrysler reputation, although it seems to have come a long way from where it was before. The Charger has always been my favorite car, but I don’t think I could live with myself if I bought one and it crapped out on me.

The mustang is popular and seems to have the best rating reliability wise, although the Mustang is almost too popular to me and doesntt stand out as much on the road to me as say a Camaro, challenger or charger.

Of course there are the more powerful options (GT, R/T, Hellcat) but I’m looking to stay below $25k. Plus it is mostly the appearance of muscle without the performance/noise I am chasing after
Re-reading OP, it seems that all the discussion of muscle cars has been for nought as far as assisting OP. I think that point was previously made by another poster but lost in the shuffle.

If the Charger has always been your favorite car, go ahead and get one. Even if it craps out on you, your itch has been scratched and put behind you for good. Do some shopping and settle on a model that you consider to be good value. Someone already posted that you should not judge Chrysler reliability on their reputation. Do some research on their current reliability to evaluate whether it is worth taking a chance. If you do that all of that, you at least minimize your financial risk.

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by Kenkat » Wed May 16, 2018 2:27 pm

bh7785 wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 11:59 am
munemaker wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 11:25 am
bh7785 wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 9:38 am
FlyAF wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 8:46 am
Don't buy a v6 mustang, camaro, or charger/challenger. Aside from being boring to drive, it will be completely worthless in a few years where as the v8 version should retain value pretty well.

Besides, everyone laughs at the guy driving a v6 camaro/mustang.
Hahaha, so true!
You guys are wrong. I think that was true back in the day when 6 cylinder Mustangs were termed "secretaries' cars", but the performance of modern cars has improved tremendously. The smaller engines in today's muscle cars result in better acceleration and handling than the muscle cars of the past that so many on this thread long for.

For example, the 2018 4-cylinder turbo Mustang produces 310 Hp w) 350 lb. ft of torque on 93 octane pump gas, while getting 21 city/30 highway. Has a 0-60 mph time of 5.3 mph and turns the quarter in 13.9 seconds. For comparison, a 1970 Boss 302 did 0-60 in 6.4 seconds and the quarter in 14.7 seconds. Another comparison is the 1969 Mustang Mach 1 clocked 0-60 mph at 5.6 seconds and ran the quarter in 14.1 seconds. And handling...no comparison with independent suspension on the new Mustangs.

The smaller engines in muscle cars are nothing to be embarrassed about.
I'm still going to give a guy driving a v6 mustang a hard time. He should have gotten an ecoboost or 5.0.
Why does it matter what someone else drives? It’s still a really nice car and not boring compared to most cars out there. Whatever you drive, there’s always something better, faster and more expensive.

The ecoboost 4 and V6 offer similar performance, plus the V6 has been dropped so not really a big difference there. Do you have the $8000+ to give to the guy driving the V6 Mustang so he can buy a GT instead? And maybe a small monthly stipend for gas and insurance?

If you want 0-60 sub-4 second performance, the GT is the choice. Not everybody wants, needs or can really use that in typical driving*.

If the original poster has always loved the Charger, then buy a Charger. Drive all the models and pick the one that’s the best fit for what performance you want and can afford. If that’s a V6, so what?

*typical driving does not involve drag racing on public streets or tracking your car

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Post by backfist » Sun May 20, 2018 12:12 pm

BMW X4 M40i...SUV/AWD practicality...decent MPG (21-22 around town)...every comfort gadget you could want and it screams. The only caveat is the ride can be a little firm in Sport mode...

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by Nestegg_User » Sun May 20, 2018 4:00 pm

having had an old Camaro with a 350 back in the day, even it wasn’t quite the true “muscle car”, but a V-6 mustang... don’t make me laugh, it’s not even close.

(but the Camaro couldn’t even do what I did after rebuilding an older Audi, where I hit 135 before slowing down and double nickeling back. yep, I think I did OK on the rebuild and tuning 8-) )

In today’s market, I would think that the Charger is probably the closest to the concept of “muscle car” , although I would prefer a classic Viper GTS (to even a vette), even if it’s truly classified as a roadster. (the old Prowler was interesting too, just not as appealing as the Viper, and nowhere near the horsepower)

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by keith6014 » Sun May 20, 2018 4:09 pm

gundlached wrote:
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A Suburu WRX with snow tires.
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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by forkhorn » Sun May 20, 2018 5:44 pm

No. A Boglehead would instead buy into some kind of car-sharing cooperative, where you could own a little piece of all the cars at reasonably low cost. Obviously the muscle-car variant would be a "sector" coop.

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by Wakefield1 » Sun May 20, 2018 11:19 pm

CoAndy wrote:
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I had a 2009 Pontiac G8 GT. Loved driving it. Unfortunately, Pontiac is no longer around. The same vehicle has been repackaged as the Chevy SS but I think it just got discontinued. Maybe look at getting a 2016.
Those and the vehicle last sold as Pontiac GTO might someday become coveted collector cars

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by munemaker » Mon May 21, 2018 2:29 pm

There is a lot of confusion on here about what a muscle car is. From Wikipedia:
Muscle car is an American term used to refer to a variety of high-performance automobiles.[1] The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines muscle cars as "any of a group of American-made 2-door sports cars with powerful engines designed for high-performance driving."[2] A large V8 engine is fitted in a 2-door, rear wheel drive, family-style compact, mid-size or full-size car designed for four or more passengers. Sold at an affordable price, muscle cars are intended for street use and occasional drag racing.[3][4][5][6] They are distinct from two-seat sports cars and expensive 2+2 GTs intended for high-speed touring and road racing.
That leaves out the Toyotas (Camry and Prius) and the Audis. Strictly speaking, it would seem to leave out 2+2 pony cars. So the poster who mentioned Dodge Charger...right on!

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by rockonhumblepie » Mon May 21, 2018 11:34 pm

Mustang 5.0 " The Thrifty Persons Sports Car"

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by anoop » Tue May 22, 2018 4:11 am

https://www.caranddriver.com/honda/civic-type-r

Costs about 10K more than your budget but it will more economical than most in the long run and also likely to retain its value.

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by lazydavid » Tue May 22, 2018 5:28 am

anoop wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 4:11 am
https://www.caranddriver.com/honda/civic-type-r

Costs about 10K more than your budget but it will more economical than most in the long run and also likely to retain its value.
$20-25k more after the "market adjustment" that many dealers are charging.

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by Fletch » Tue May 22, 2018 5:46 am

My vote for the BH muscle car:

1953 Buick Special with straight eight and three on the column, no power steering, no power brakes, vacuum operated windshield wipers that stopped working when going up a steep hill, starter activated by pushing gas pedal to the floor, knee action shock absorbers that had to be refilled with 90 weight gear oil every hundred miles. Took real muscle to drive and maintain that beast. :wink:
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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by munemaker » Tue May 22, 2018 6:36 am

lazydavid wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 5:28 am
anoop wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 4:11 am
https://www.caranddriver.com/honda/civic-type-r

Costs about 10K more than your budget but it will more economical than most in the long run and also likely to retain its value.
$20-25k more after the "market adjustment" that many dealers are charging.
Are dealers still demanding that premium? I thought that was when they were first introduced and demand was high. I remember the same thing happened when the Honda S2000 was introduced, and then the prices came back to earth.

Wouldn't the Type R have the fuel dilution problem that is plaguing some of the Honda turbo engines?

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by drdrgolf » Tue May 22, 2018 6:40 am

As a 79+ year older, I enjoy watching muscle cars only. My sore back prevents me from another Corvette so I can only remember the good old days. A couple of years ago I tried to buy a new Corvette, however, DW refused to serve my meals in the garage where I would be confined to if I bought the car. It probably would of lowered my funeral costs also as I would have to be buried in the car. A BH to the end.
This was a fun thread for me to read.
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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

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drdrgolf wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 6:40 am
As a 79+ year older, I enjoy watching muscle cars only. My sore back prevents me from another Corvette so I can only remember the good old days. A couple of years ago I tried to buy a new Corvette, however, DW refused to serve my meals in the garage where I would be confined to if I bought the car. It probably would of lowered my funeral costs also as I would have to be buried in the car. A BH to the end.
This was a fun thread for me to read.
Dom
My thoughts are these - if you cannot buy it then rent one for a week or even a month. You do not live forever and there is no reason for regrets. We also have a soft spot for corvettes and other muscle type cars and if bought correctly and enjoyed prior to selling the costs can be limited if you really enjoy cars. Good luck to you

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by ad2007 » Tue May 22, 2018 9:55 am

drdrgolf wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 6:40 am
As a 79+ year older .....My sore back prevents me from another Corvette... A BH to the end.
This was a fun thread for me to read.
Dom
drdrgolf

Few years back, an older gentleman was going to trade his C6 Corvette 427 for my Lotus Exige. The guy could not get in the Exige no matter how hard he tried, I was laughing so hard, I forgot video tape him. He said something about "should have" "could have" many moons ago.

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by hudson » Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:00 am

ronteller11 wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 7:25 am
Owning a muscle car doesn’t seem to be a very economical thing to do. But for those that do, which is the best choice? I have been looking at the more fuel efficient v6/ecoboost, love the look of the challenger/charger but not too excited about Chrysler reputation, although it seems to have come a long way from where it was before. The Charger has always been my favorite car, but I don’t think I could live with myself if I bought one and it crapped out on me.

The mustang is popular and seems to have the best rating reliability wise, although the Mustang is almost too popular to me and doesntt stand out as much on the road to me as say a Camaro, challenger or charger.

Of course there are the more powerful options (GT, R/T, Hellcat) but I’m looking to stay below $25k. Plus it is mostly the appearance of muscle without the performance/noise I am chasing after
Muscle Car under $25K...CarMax has an opinion: https://www.carmax.com/articles/modern-muscle-cars#ss

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Re: Is there a boglehead muscle car?

Post by SimonJester » Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:45 pm

El Greco wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 2:40 pm
gundlached wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 12:13 pm
El Greco wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 8:57 am
Boglehead muscle car?

A 25 year old Toyota Camry with a spoiler.
In "champagne" beige
NICE!
0-60 in just over 5 minutes. :D A stock Toyota Corolla will also work as well in this spot...
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

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