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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by DanMahowny » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:16 pm

WildCat48 wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:00 am
Have a colleague in my office (non-bogleheader) who is selling everything going to 100% cash. lol.
Personally, I think this is a wise move.
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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by azanon » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:17 pm

Heading towards -1000 for the day again, or at least on course. Saddle up!

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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by RRAAYY3 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:18 pm

selters wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:09 pm
RRAAYY3 wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:06 pm
My February dip buying is not paying off ...

Oh well, guess it’ll be March dip buying too ...
Where do you find money to buy more stocks? Do you just rebalance? Or do you increase your allocation to stocks as stocks fall?
oversized e-fund cash unwinding [i know, i know] ...

i'll likely wait until i get paid next before buying, unless we see another mini-freefall again. i was planning on building up my cash reserves again, but looks like Mr. Market may be throwing another tantrum.

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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by jehovasfitness » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:28 pm

Casual announcement of tariffs is apparently having an effect today .

Too bad the wife got paid yesterday rather than today

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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by azanon » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:32 pm

I'd love to meet that person/persons who's currently long, but then reads that headline - 10% tariff on steel announced, then quickly panics and that's what did it for them - that's what made them hit that sell button. I also wonder if 5-10 years from then, they'll still be recounting the story at dinner parties about how it was announced a 10% aluminum tariff, and they knew that was the time to sell.

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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by RRAAYY3 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:43 pm

“The great aluminum meltdown of 2018 ... ah, I remember it well “

- 30 years from now rraayy3

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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by Doom&Gloom » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:48 pm

RRAAYY3 wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:43 pm
“The great aluminum meltdown of 2018 ... ah, I remember it well “

- 30 years from now rraayy3
Tinfoil Thursday?

Wheeeeeeeeee!

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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by H-Town » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:53 pm

DanMahowny wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:16 pm
WildCat48 wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:00 am
Have a colleague in my office (non-bogleheader) who is selling everything going to 100% cash. lol.
Personally, I think this is a wise move.
The more people buy into this, the better my gain will be :mrgreen:

Someone's loss is somebody else's gain. :sharebeer

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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by bligh » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:55 pm

RRAAYY3 wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:43 pm
“The great aluminum meltdown of 2018 ... ah, I remember it well “

- 30 years from now rraayy3
It is more likely they are more worried about retaliatory tariffs that will ignite trade wars.

So what they are more worried about is :

"The great trade wars of 2018 and the break down in global trade... ah, I remember it well.. it all started because of those darn aluminum and steel tariffs didn't they?"

- 30 years from now Bligh

I, of course, have no idea what is going to happen.. but I believe the market selloff is due to the worry over the response to the tariffs, and the possibility of kicking off a tit-for-tat trade war with China because of them.

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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by zuzimb » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:09 pm

Well looks like the market is finally having a down day near when I'm getting paid..... I get paid tomorrow though so it's likely to be back up.

Not that it really matters anyways (for me).

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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by aristotelian » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:15 pm

azanon wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:32 pm
I'd love to meet that person/persons who's currently long, but then reads that headline - 10% tariff on steel announced, then quickly panics and that's what did it for them - that's what made them hit that sell button. I also wonder if 5-10 years from then, they'll still be recounting the story at dinner parties about how it was announced a 10% aluminum tariff, and they knew that was the time to sell.
It was probably a computer belonging to some hedge fund programmed to sell in proportion to "tariff" mentions on CNBC.

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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by jminv » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:17 pm

I started receiving emails from a woman who apparently has her husband's email wrong a few months ago although she cc's his presumambly correct email address too. I get forwarded endless 'hot stock tips' from Zacks etc plus notifications when she trades. I noticed buying this morning and selling this afternoon. As in, buy high, sell low especially at the slightest hint of volatility. This seems to be a pattern with this person and it's been accelerating. It's not an account I use often, plus never know if it's some sort of elaborate phishing scam so I don't tell her about her error.

In the back of my mind I've been having this feeling that maybe it's a bad overall market signal if someone who takes advice like that, trades like that, and doesn't realize she's forwarding this stuff to one wrong address is becoming ever more frenetic in her trades and forwarded advice articles. Of course I realize it's random chance but it's interesting to see how gamblers function, which is what many, many people do in the market.
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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by pokebowl » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:18 pm

bligh wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:55 pm

It is more likely they are more worried about retaliatory tariffs that will ignite trade wars.

I, of course, have no idea what is going to happen.. but I believe the market selloff is due to the worry over the response to the tariffs, and the possibility of kicking off a tit-for-tat trade war with China because of them.
I mean we already did/lived this in 2016, actually on this very same day... so not sure what all the hype is this time minus perhaps more media coverage?
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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by lostdog » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:24 pm

RRAAYY3 wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:18 pm
selters wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:09 pm
RRAAYY3 wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:06 pm
My February dip buying is not paying off ...

Oh well, guess it’ll be March dip buying too ...
Where do you find money to buy more stocks? Do you just rebalance? Or do you increase your allocation to stocks as stocks fall?
oversized e-fund cash unwinding [i know, i know] ...

i'll likely wait until i get paid next before buying, unless we see another mini-freefall again. i was planning on building up my cash reserves again, but looks like Mr. Market may be throwing another tantrum.
Building up cash reserves also so I am in thr same boat as you.
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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by munemaker » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:17 pm

jminv wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:17 pm
I get forwarded endless 'hot stock tips' from Zacks etc plus notifications when she trades. I noticed buying this morning and selling this afternoon.
shhhh. Just keep quiet and start mirroring her trades.

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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by scone » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:23 pm

I bought yesterday, so naturally the market is down today. Sorry guys, I’ll try not to do it again. :twisted:
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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by limeyx » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:36 pm

scone wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:23 pm
I bought yesterday, so naturally the market is down today. Sorry guys, I’ll try not to do it again. :twisted:
Well, at the very least let people know before you do ...

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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by SimplicityNow » Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:51 pm

CantPassAgain wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:54 pm
SimplicityNow wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:23 pm
More people wanted to buy then sell. More people wanted to sell then buy.
This is one of those times when the distinction between "then" and "than" is important (although I would argue that it is always important).
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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by chocopie » Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:30 pm

I just bought 2 days ago and of course the market drops almost 4% in two days.... sigh

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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by Mithrilman » Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:36 pm

Sometimes the news can trump a good earnings season......
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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by cfs » Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:48 pm

"I just bought 2 days ago and of course the market drops almost 4% in two days...."

No worries, Miss Market is doing exactly what she is supposed to do, go down AFTER you buy.

The good news, she will come back up.

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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by RRAAYY3 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:50 pm

Mithrilman wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:36 pm
Sometimes the news can trump a good earnings season......
well played. well played indeed.

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Post by azurekep » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:47 pm

aristotelian wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:15 pm
azanon wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:32 pm
I'd love to meet that person/persons who's currently long, but then reads that headline - 10% tariff on steel announced, then quickly panics and that's what did it for them - that's what made them hit that sell button. I also wonder if 5-10 years from then, they'll still be recounting the story at dinner parties about how it was announced a 10% aluminum tariff, and they knew that was the time to sell.
It was probably a computer belonging to some hedge fund programmed to sell in proportion to "tariff" mentions on CNBC.
I have a copy of Market Factors for Hedge Funds - Windows 10 edition. "Tariff" is the menu option right before "Theater War - Korea".

Glad Tariff was triggered. :)

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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by corn18 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:01 am

Standby for heavy rolls...

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Buying the latest dip

Post by Ron Scott » Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:06 am

[Thread merged into here, see below (next page). --admin LadyGeek]

Let's leave politics out of it as usual (you either laugh or cry), the latest dip, call it the "Trade War Dip", certainly looks like a buying opportunity to me...

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Re: Buying the latest dip

Post by mortfree » Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:07 am

Depending on your perspective (and time horizon), everyday is a good day to invest...

I added some of Buffett's company yesterday and looks like it will dip lower today. oh well.

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Re: Buying the latest dip

Post by livesoft » Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:07 am

It is Friday, so even if today drops enough, I suggest waiting to see what happens next week. But I've been wrong before, too. :)

OTOH, I just made my Roth IRA contribution for 2018 ....

But Vanguard Total Stock Market will be down about 5% since the morning of February 27th, so maybe I should rebalance.
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Re: Buying the latest dip

Post by Ron Scott » Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:16 am

LOL

It's times like these that make me want to buy total market ETFs instead of the funds.

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Re: Buying the latest dip

Post by SuperGrafx » Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:25 am

Just made the final contribution to my 2018 IRA, so I'm maxed for the year.
The dip, while nice, really has no bearing on my investment strategy.

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Re: Buying the latest dip

Post by MotoTrojan » Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:19 am

I’ll admit I moved things around and dumped a few $1K in at the open; maxed my backdoor Roth and added to taxable. Oops.

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Re: Buying the latest dip

Post by 3funder » Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:24 am

Bought international 2/9, 2/28, and 3/1, and I'm hoping my wife will give her blessing for another crack at it today. Won't impact things too significantly, as it's really only a correction (and barely one, at that); however, it's nice to see a mini-plunge every once in a while.

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Re: Buying the latest dip

Post by Utahdogowner » Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:26 am

Ha. I bought 10k of ITOT yesterday, before the dip.

Good thing my horizon is 30 years and I don't care bout the next few weeks (or years).

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Re: Buying the latest dip

Post by Nate79 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:35 am

What dip?

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Re: Buying the latest dip

Post by DrGoogle2017 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:40 am

I say not yet.

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Re: Buying the latest dip

Post by H-Town » Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:46 am

livesoft wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:07 am
It is Friday, so even if today drops enough, I suggest waiting to see what happens next week. But I've been wrong before, too. :)

OTOH, I just made my Roth IRA contribution for 2018 ....

But Vanguard Total Stock Market will be down about 5% since the morning of February 27th, so maybe I should rebalance.
My automatic buy order will be effective today... But I will be see what happens next week to buy some more.

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Re: Buying the latest dip

Post by Sandtrap » Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:53 am

Ron Scott wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:06 am
Let's leave politics out of it as usual (you either laugh or cry), the latest dip, call it the "Trade War Dip", certainly looks like a buying opportunity to me...
If it is a "dip" then you must buy.

But, if it is a "dip" that is a precursor to a "correction" then you must wait to buy and then buy heartedly.


However, actionably, you should read about Bob.

Read About Bob, The Worst Market Timer
What happens if you only invested at market highs?
http://awealthofcommonsense.com/2014/0 ... ket-timer/

j

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Re: Buying the latest dip

Post by Darth Xanadu » Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:02 am

Sandtrap wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:53 am

However, actionably, you should read about Bob.

Read About Bob, The Worst Market Timer
What happens if you only invested at market highs?
http://awealthofcommonsense.com/2014/0 ... ket-timer/

j
I enjoyed that little write-up, thank you for sharing the link.

EDIT: I like it because it reinforces the mind-set of saving/investing for long-term growth, and that savings rate and being in the market are the biggest factors to success. Really takes the edge off any "paralysis" thoughts or counter-productive behaviors.
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Re: Buying the latest dip

Post by TonyDAntonio » Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:05 am

Time in the market not timing the market. So...you should have invested all your money well before you were born. So...since you can't do that you should invest today.

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Re: Buying the latest dip

Post by DaftInvestor » Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:06 am

Ron Scott wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:06 am
Let's leave politics out of it as usual (you either laugh or cry), the latest dip, call it the "Trade War Dip", certainly looks like a buying opportunity to me...
You say you want to leave politics out of it but then you give the dip a politically-driven name.

With the market dropping again today (at least so far) it does look like its time to buy for me simply by re-balancing a bit.

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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by Houe » Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:14 am

It's starting to look like a bloody Friday!

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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by RRAAYY3 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:21 am

We have spiraled into oblivion

All the way back to the second week of February, 2018. Let’s all make time to tell our loved ones how we feel.

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Re: Buying the latest dip

Post by RRAAYY3 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:24 am

Darth Xanadu wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:02 am
Sandtrap wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:53 am

However, actionably, you should read about Bob.

Read About Bob, The Worst Market Timer
What happens if you only invested at market highs?
http://awealthofcommonsense.com/2014/0 ... ket-timer/

j
I enjoyed that little write-up, thank you for sharing the link.

EDIT: I like it because it reinforces the mind-set of saving/investing for long-term growth, and that savings rate and being in the market are the biggest factors to success. Really takes the edge off any "paralysis" thoughts or counter-productive behaviors.
That article convinced me to dive in at the “all time high” last March

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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by 3funder » Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:24 am

RRAAYY3 wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:21 am
We have spiraled into oblivion

All the way back to the second week of February, 2018. Let’s all make time to tell our loved ones how we feel.
The only thing I'm telling my loved ones is that I'm buying a little more international stock.

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Re: Buying the latest dip

Post by Darth Xanadu » Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:34 am

RRAAYY3 wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:24 am

That article convinced me to dive in at the “all time high” last March
And I'm guessing the article has also convinced you not to sweat that fact much at all, am I right?
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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by WildCat48 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:45 am

DanMahowny wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:16 pm
WildCat48 wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:00 am
Have a colleague in my office (non-bogleheader) who is selling everything going to 100% cash. lol.
Personally, I think this is a wise move.
I'm staying the course, but the colleague I mentioned above is one of the sharpest guys in our firm, thinks we will see the dow around 14,000 by 2020.

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Re: Buying the latest dip

Post by RRAAYY3 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:49 am

Darth Xanadu wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:34 am
RRAAYY3 wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:24 am

That article convinced me to dive in at the “all time high” last March
And I'm guessing the article has also convinced you not to sweat that fact much at all, am I right?
I chuckle to myself when I get “Down drops ____ points!” updates from CNBC. The market, according to a friend on Wall Street, is a bunch of day to day BS that ultimately goes up so whatever.

After the last mini “crash”, a friend was freaking out and I politely showed her how much I was up despite investing at the literal “peak” last March (I.e that “peak” still a better time to buy than after “the crash”

Time in, not timing, invest money you don’t need short term, go on with life. Happy Friday!

[No, this volatility has not caused panic for me. I find it amusing. Aluminum tariffs! Idk what that means but sell sell sell that sounds bad! Bitcoin to the rescue!]

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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by RRAAYY3 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:50 am

3funder wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:24 am
RRAAYY3 wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:21 am
We have spiraled into oblivion

All the way back to the second week of February, 2018. Let’s all make time to tell our loved ones how we feel.
The only thing I'm telling my loved ones is that I'm buying a little more international stock.
hahaha ... (me too). Although I probably won’t tell them

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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by RRAAYY3 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:52 am

WildCat48 wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:45 am
DanMahowny wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:16 pm
WildCat48 wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:00 am
Have a colleague in my office (non-bogleheader) who is selling everything going to 100% cash. lol.
Personally, I think this is a wise move.
I'm staying the course, but the colleague I mentioned above is one of the sharpest guys in our firm, thinks we will see the dow around 14,000 by 2020.
Cool - let us know when your colleague decides to buy back in (preferably a few days in advance)

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Re: Buying the latest dip

Post by chevca » Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:03 pm

Well, today is payday and that means a deferred comp. contribution. I guess I'm buying the dip. Of course, I'd also be buying if it were an all time high, so... :happy

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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by Engineer250 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:03 pm

My bonus money should have gone in this week but it didn’t. I think my employer is being lazy and will send it with my regular paycheck money next week. Therefore I feel confident the market will be back up by next Tuesday or Wednesday. Letting you all know so you can relax.
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