Car people: 2014 E63 AMG or 2018 E400 wagon??

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Car people: 2014 E63 AMG or 2018 E400 wagon??

Post by baguette » Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:41 pm

Okay, car-loving Bogleheads, we have a dilemma in our house. We need to replace one (10 year old) car because it's starting to fail.

We've narrowed the choices to these:
1. A 2014 Mercedes-Benz AMG E63 wagon. It's a CPO, with low mileage. This car would have one year of warranty. One of us prefers this car. For simplicity, let's say it costs $70k.
2. A 2018 MB E400 wagon, new. This car would have 4 years of warranty, and would cost, say, $80k optioned as we'd like. One of us prefers this car.

How do we decide? We can afford either car, and will pay cash unless they offer phenomenal financing. How do we balance the price difference against a 4-year difference in model years, and a 3-year difference in warranty coverage?

Thanks!
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Re: Car people: 2014 E63 AMG or 2018 E400 wagon??

Post by sambb » Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:03 pm

e63 - look up doug demuro's review

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Post by baguette » Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:10 pm

sambb wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:03 pm
e63 - look up doug demuro's review
Yes, thanks. I've read/seen his comments.

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Post by Jack FFR1846 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:17 pm

Which is a more efficient converter?














Turning fuel into Smoke and Noise!!!!

Buy the $12,000 extended warranty. AMGs depreciate faster than anything but a Maserati.
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Post by Oldabe » Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:19 pm

I would under no circumstances buy an AMG car with 1 year warranty remaining. My parents have had 14 Mercedes (a few of them AMGs) and I have had 2 myself. These cars love to break when the warranties run out and the cost to repair is generally punitive. On my father's last SL55 AMG, ~$35k in repairs were done while under warranty. If an MB extended warranty for a reasonable price is a possibility, I would certainly consider it, but would note that generally maintenance / upkeep on these cars is more expensive (i.e. a front break job will run you $3500... more if you have done at a dealer).

All of that being said, they obviously an absolute blast to drive...

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Re: Car people: 2014 E63 AMG or 2018 E400 wagon??

Post by sambb » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:04 pm

Every car person should own an Amg wagon sometime in their lifetime!

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Re: Car people: 2014 E63 AMG or 2018 E400 wagon??

Post by Alexa9 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:08 pm

Get an extended warranty or befriend your mechanic! Zee Germans are known for being the best cars but also many naughty little problems.

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Re: Car people: 2014 E63 AMG or 2018 E400 wagon??

Post by strafe » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:11 pm

I'd say the primary driver should decide which to buy.

If it were up to me, I'd choose the E63 wagon. Will be much more fun, retain its value, at the expense of running costs. Having owned an E-class previously, I wouldn't worry too much about the warranty.

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Re: Car people: 2014 E63 AMG or 2018 E400 wagon??

Post by strafe » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:16 pm

Oldabe wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:19 pm
I would under no circumstances buy an AMG car with 1 year warranty remaining. My parents have had 14 Mercedes (a few of them AMGs) and I have had 2 myself. These cars love to break when the warranties run out and the cost to repair is generally punitive. On my father's last SL55 AMG, ~$35k in repairs were done while under warranty. If an MB extended warranty for a reasonable price is a possibility, I would certainly consider it, but would note that generally maintenance / upkeep on these cars is more expensive (i.e. a front break job will run you $3500... more if you have done at a dealer).

All of that being said, they obviously an absolute blast to drive...
The R230 SL was/is a money pit, AMG or not. The parts that break (ABC suspension pump, convertible top rams, etc) were not unique to the AMG version of the car. Not really fair to extrapolate that experience to the W212/S212 E-class chassis.

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Post by snackdog » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:28 pm

Get both so you have a backup for when the AMG car is in the shop.

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Post by sp0704 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:30 pm

Do you prefer tech or performance? 0-60 for the E63 is likely sub 4 seconds (the E63 S for that year was 3.6 sec.) compared to 5.3 sec for the E400. The AMG power is definitely overkill and the E400 is no slouch.

There is a lot of new tech in the W213 E Class and you'll want a good warranty for either one during your ownership. Depending on how long you hold it, the W212 will start to show its age as they fade from the roads as leases expire. The AMG's are such awesome cars, though.

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Re: Car people: 2014 E63 AMG or 2018 E400 wagon??

Post by jharkin » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:39 pm

“Car people” would ditch the station wagons for something with 2 doors ;) :twisted:

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Post by baguette » Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:36 pm

jharkin wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:39 pm
“Car people” would ditch the station wagons for something with 2 doors ;) :twisted:
Hah! Our other car is a BMW 135, which has no room for the dog. :D
We are negotiating about its replacement (cayman? 911?), which follows this particular car situation.

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Re: Car people: 2014 E63 AMG or 2018 E400 wagon??

Post by eye.surgeon » Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:58 pm

I'd get the E400.

Having owned many fast German cars, you come to realize you can only drive so fast to work and back. A truly fast daily driver becomes an annoyance after a while because you never get out of 3rd gear.
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Post by EnjoyIt » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:43 pm

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Re: Car people: 2014 E63 AMG or 2018 E400 wagon??

Post by Oldabe » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:24 pm

strafe wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:16 pm
Oldabe wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:19 pm
I would under no circumstances buy an AMG car with 1 year warranty remaining. My parents have had 14 Mercedes (a few of them AMGs) and I have had 2 myself. These cars love to break when the warranties run out and the cost to repair is generally punitive. On my father's last SL55 AMG, ~$35k in repairs were done while under warranty. If an MB extended warranty for a reasonable price is a possibility, I would certainly consider it, but would note that generally maintenance / upkeep on these cars is more expensive (i.e. a front break job will run you $3500... more if you have done at a dealer).

All of that being said, they obviously an absolute blast to drive...
The R230 SL was/is a money pit, AMG or not. The parts that break (ABC suspension pump, convertible top rams, etc) were not unique to the AMG version of the car. Not really fair to extrapolate that experience to the W212/S212 E-class chassis.
I own a W212 myself (non-AMG) and it has been extremely reliable, so I'm definitely with you there. The issues with that particular R230 SL55 were engine (wiring harness, injectors, sensors), transmission, suspension and some other items that I can't recall off the top of my head. And of course the normally aspirated 6.2L E63 / C63 engines that followed shortly thereafter was known to detonate due to lubrication issues at start-up (resolved in the SLS and later production engines in the E / C models).

MB has come a long way since then, but I don't think you can get around the fact that AMG cars have a greater cost of ownership (which candidly gets baked into the depreciation as people don't want to own them out of warranty). To be fair, I haven't heard any horror stories with the 5.5L turbo V8 in these cars, but anything German with 15 PSI of boost gives me pause. I've made it a habit to get extended warranties on my cars from a MB dealer on the west coast that sells them at wholesale. I'm not suggesting that should be a prerequisite for ownership, just depends on how risk averse you are.

In any event, I clearly love their cars, I would just hate for someone to be caught off guard by the long term costs... especially if looking at a 10 year ownership horizon.

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Re: Car people: 2014 E63 AMG or 2018 E400 wagon??

Post by Cash » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:49 am

eye.surgeon wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:58 pm
I'd get the E400.

Having owned many fast German cars, you come to realize you can only drive so fast to work and back. A truly fast daily driver becomes an annoyance after a while because you never get out of 3rd gear.
Right, unless you're taking it to a track, it really is a waste. We were recently debating between a BMW X5 xdrive50i and an X5 M. I'm glad we got the 50i because it's a daily driver and, like you said, you can only go so fast to work and back. Frankly, even the 50 is overkill with its turbocharged V8.

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Post by honghong322 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:29 am

Personally, I'd go for the E63. That model year has the twin turbo engine. The previous revision had a small potential head bolt issue in a handful of vehicles. The AMG wagon is also very rare. I've been eyeing them for some time.

Good hunting!

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Re: Car people: 2014 E63 AMG or 2018 E400 wagon??

Post by Ichabob » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:29 am

Objectively, the obvious answer is neither....
Subjectively, you're going to have to negotiate with the other driver. Presumably the usual driver would have more say, but we don't know the dynamics of your household

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Post by honghong322 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:31 am

baguette wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:36 pm
jharkin wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:39 pm
“Car people” would ditch the station wagons for something with 2 doors ;) :twisted:
Hah! Our other car is a BMW 135, which has no room for the dog. :D
We are negotiating about its replacement (cayman? 911?), which follows this particular car situation.

Baguette
I'm a Cayman owner. Definately drive both the 911/Cayman and see which one fits better. The 911 is more iconic, but after driving both, I like the nimbleness and "only 2 seat" the Cayman provides. That is, unless you're looking at a GT3 or something along those linkes. :sharebeer

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Re: Car people: 2014 E63 AMG or 2018 E400 wagon??

Post by ClevrChico » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:33 am

I always wanted a Mercedes wagon. I'd go with an E400, because I like a new car that is factory fresh perfect. I wouldn't replace a ten year old car with a high strung four year old car.
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Post by HeadHunter » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:43 am

I'd go none AMG. Have had 4 Mercedes in a row and last one was an ML550 with the biturbo V8. So much power but I rarely could use it on public roads and foot flat to the floor was a rush of power and speed. Now driving a GLE 350d (diesel) which I LOVE and getting great fuel economy for such a big heavy vehicle.

By the way all my MB vehicles have been problem free. Safe, quiet, comfortable, luxurious vehicles imo. I do a lot of road trips and can get over 600 miles on a tank and drive all day with no fatigue or sore back.

Do they have the E43 wagon? I know the sedan version gets outstanding reviews and that engine is a good sweet spot between the base engines and the AMG.

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Re: Car people: 2014 E63 AMG or 2018 E400 wagon??

Post by baguette » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:49 am

Oldabe wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:19 pm
If an MB extended warranty for a reasonable price is a possibility, I would certainly consider it, but would note that generally maintenance / upkeep on these cars is more expensive (i.e. a front break job will run you $3500... more if you have done at a dealer).

All of that being said, they obviously an absolute blast to drive...
I found a document from 2014 that quoted a 2-year extended warranty at about $5k for the AMG. Seems like good insurance, but now we're talking about very similar immediate costs on the two cars, but still the 4 model-year difference. (And, obviously, the AMG factor.)

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Post by stoptothink » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:52 am

sambb wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:04 pm
Every car person should own an Amg wagon sometime in their lifetime!
Says my brother who currently drives an e63 AMG wagon...not. Cool and unique car, but it has been a maintenance nightmare and he would like nothing more than for someone to take it off his hands.

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Post by baguette » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:03 am

honghong322 wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:31 am
baguette wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:36 pm
jharkin wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:39 pm
“Car people” would ditch the station wagons for something with 2 doors ;) :twisted:
Hah! Our other car is a BMW 135, which has no room for the dog. :D
We are negotiating about its replacement (cayman? 911?), which follows this particular car situation.

Baguette
I'm a Cayman owner. Definately drive both the 911/Cayman and see which one fits better. The 911 is more iconic, but after driving both, I like the nimbleness and "only 2 seat" the Cayman provides. That is, unless you're looking at a GT3 or something along those linkes. :sharebeer
Thanks, we definitely will drive both. That's a couple years down the road, though. Our immediate concern is replacing our dogmobile.

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Post by baguette » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:04 am

stoptothink wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:52 am
sambb wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:04 pm
Every car person should own an Amg wagon sometime in their lifetime!
Says my brother who currently drives an e63 AMG wagon...not. Cool and unique car, but it has been a maintenance nightmare and he would like nothing more than for someone to take it off his hands.
Hmm... Do you know how old his car is, and what kinds of problems he's had?
thanks,
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Re: Car people: 2014 E63 AMG or 2018 E400 wagon??

Post by Go Blue 99 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:40 am

I love the look of luxury station wagons (Benz, Audi, Volvo). There is a guy at work who drives an E63 AMG wagon and that car is great looking. Of course, the wife laughs at me any time I bring up a station wagon :wink:

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Post by EnjoyIt » Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:09 pm

Go Blue 99 wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:40 am
I love the look of luxury station wagons (Benz, Audi, Volvo). There is a guy at work who drives an E63 AMG wagon and that car is great looking. Of course, the wife laughs at me any time I bring up a station wagon :wink:
Same with me. I have always loved the Audi Allroad.

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Post by wrongfunds » Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:15 pm

I have always loved the Audi Allroad.
You need to find Doug Demuro and fast!

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Post by stoptothink » Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:28 pm

baguette wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:04 am
stoptothink wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:52 am
sambb wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:04 pm
Every car person should own an Amg wagon sometime in their lifetime!
Says my brother who currently drives an e63 AMG wagon...not. Cool and unique car, but it has been a maintenance nightmare and he would like nothing more than for someone to take it off his hands.
Hmm... Do you know how old his car is, and what kinds of problems he's had?
thanks,
baguette
I believe it is a '13, but not certain. I don't know the details, but a number of issues which did not fall under warranty and were absurdly expensive to fix. It has also been really bad in the snow. FWIW, I don't believe he has put snow tires on it but he's not on summer performance rubber and this comes from someone who has spent the last decade in North Dakota and Wyoming driving a series of high performance cars; it has definitely stood out as being bad in the snow despite the AWD. He's vowed to never get another AMG and wants nothing more than to get rid of it, but he's underwater and just can't accept the sunk cost.

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Re: Car people: 2014 E63 AMG or 2018 E400 wagon??

Post by Jags4186 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:35 pm

I always thought AMG wagons were stupid cars so I have to go with the E400.

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Post by EnjoyIt » Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:17 am

wrongfunds wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:15 pm
I have always loved the Audi Allroad.
You need to find Doug Demuro and fast!
I watched the video and think it may be crap. Why?
I had an A6 2.7T engine audi with 150k miles on it tuned to about 350hp. I sold it 2 years ago. Everything is the same as the all road except for the suspension. I have not had any of the problems this guy alludes to. Only correct thing was that the timing belt is a pain to replace because you have to pull down the bumper. You don't have to remove it but you have to pull it down to get to everything. Because of all the errors I fear his other discussions may be equally false. I regret seeing it crushed. :(

I have been enjoying some of his other videos.

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Re: Car people: 2014 E63 AMG or 2018 E400 wagon??

Post by lazydavid » Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:05 am

Oldabe wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:19 pm
If an MB extended warranty for a reasonable price is a possibility, I would certainly consider it, but would note that generally maintenance / upkeep on these cars is more expensive (i.e. a front break job will run you $3500... more if you have done at a dealer).
This confuses me. OE pads and the brake wear sensor for the 2014 E63 comes to $345 for cars equipped with the optional ceramic brake system, or $395 for those without. The ceramic rotors should never need to be replaced (which is good, because they're $3400 each), and the traditional rotors are so beefy that replacement should be quite rare--needing at most to be turned, but likely no servicing at all at most pad changes. If you did for some reason need to replace them, they're $950 each, so even in the unlikely event that both had to go you'd still only be at $2300 for parts.

Do MB indy mechanics really charge $1200-3100 labor for a job I can do in 20 minutes? A career change might be in order. :mrgreen:
jharkin wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:39 pm
“Car people” would ditch the station wagons for something with 2 doors ;) :twisted:
Nah, there's something truly special about embarrassing cocky sports car drivers with a grocery-getter. :twisted:
Oldabe wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:24 pm
To be fair, I haven't heard any horror stories with the 5.5L turbo V8 in these cars, but anything German with 15 PSI of boost gives me pause.
Just as a counterpoint, my German runs 26-28 PSI of boost (41-43 PSI absolute pressure), and is going strong at 82k miles. Every single problem I've had with it has been emissions-related, with the exception of one injector that failed under warranty, and a couple of lightbulbs.
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Re: Car people: 2014 E63 AMG or 2018 E400 wagon??

Post by veggivet » Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:10 am

AMG stands for "Always in the Mechanic's Garage".

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Post by dsmclone » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:41 am

Buy a Lexus GS-F and sleep better at night.

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Re: Car people: 2014 E63 AMG or 2018 E400 wagon??

Post by jabberwockOG » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:56 am

Do not run a high end MB under any circumstances without either the factory warranty or a solid coverage extended warranty. And consider a spare car to use while the MB is in the shop.

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Re: Car people: 2014 E63 AMG or 2018 E400 wagon??

Post by apex84 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:22 am

This is an interesting thread. Good to see the BH perspectives to complement info from car sites. Have always been a BMW fan, but I also like wagons so considering new M5 vs E63S wagon in the future (E92 M3 now).

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Re: Car people: 2014 E63 AMG or 2018 E400 wagon??

Post by ADower » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:43 am

A close family friend owns a Mercedes dealership. He told me, never own an European car without a factory warranty.

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Re: Car people: 2014 E63 AMG or 2018 E400 wagon??

Post by stimulacra » Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:00 pm

The 2018 wagon. I wouldn't own an AMG out of warranty… my dad owns a 2014 SL 63 and the depreciation it's taken has given me pause…  

I adore the concept of a performance european sports wagon but 99% of people on the road will view it as a station wagon period. Seems like a high premium to pay to impress a few automotive cognoscenti.

Too bad they don't do shooting brakes in the U.S. any more.

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Re: Car people: 2014 E63 AMG or 2018 E400 wagon??

Post by lazydavid » Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:01 pm

stimulacra wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:00 pm
I adore the concept of a performance european sports wagon but 99% of people on the road will view it as a station wagon period. Seems like a high premium to pay to impress a few automotive cognoscenti.
Buying a car to impress people you don't know is a fool's errand. Who cares what everyone else thinks?

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Re: Car people: 2014 E63 AMG or 2018 E400 wagon??

Post by pretykev » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:53 am

Cash wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:49 am
eye.surgeon wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:58 pm
I'd get the E400.

Having owned many fast German cars, you come to realize you can only drive so fast to work and back. A truly fast daily driver becomes an annoyance after a while because you never get out of 3rd gear.
Right, unless you're taking it to a track, it really is a waste. We were recently debating between a BMW X5 xdrive50i and an X5 M. I'm glad we got the 50i because it's a daily driver and, like you said, you can only go so fast to work and back. Frankly, even the 50 is overkill with its turbocharged V8.
Cash,
What year x5 did you purchase? I'm looking at and x5m and x5 50 as well.
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Re: Car people: 2014 E63 AMG or 2018 E400 wagon??

Post by stimulacra » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:47 pm

lazydavid wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:01 pm
stimulacra wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:00 pm
I adore the concept of a performance european sports wagon but 99% of people on the road will view it as a station wagon period. Seems like a high premium to pay to impress a few automotive cognoscenti.
Buying a car to impress people you don't know is a fool's errand. Who cares what everyone else thinks?
I don't …I drive an Avant myself… but friends who have purchased AMG, S, or M-badged sedans or wagons are occasionally bemused or irked to discover that outside of car enthusiasts most people assume they have a run of the mill German car on lease. I only mention it because they have.

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Re: Car people: 2014 E63 AMG or 2018 E400 wagon??

Post by Beehave » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:37 pm

lazydavid wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:01 pm
stimulacra wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:00 pm
I adore the concept of a performance european sports wagon but 99% of people on the road will view it as a station wagon period. Seems like a high premium to pay to impress a few automotive cognoscenti.
Buying a car to impress people you don't know is a fool's errand. Who cares what everyone else thinks?
+1

If you want to take pride in a vehicle and your driving get a Corolla manual 6-speed. It'll last forever with easy maintenance and you'll be connected with your driving experience far beyond any luxo coupe or wagon.

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Re: Car people: 2014 E63 AMG or 2018 E400 wagon??

Post by randomguy » Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:04 pm

EnjoyIt wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:17 am
wrongfunds wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:15 pm
I have always loved the Audi Allroad.
You need to find Doug Demuro and fast!
I watched the video and think it may be crap. Why?
I had an A6 2.7T engine audi with 150k miles on it tuned to about 350hp. I sold it 2 years ago. Everything is the same as the all road except for the suspension. I have not had any of the problems this guy alludes to. Only correct thing was that the timing belt is a pain to replace because you have to pull down the bumper. You don't have to remove it but you have to pull it down to get to everything. Because of all the errors I fear his other discussions may be equally false. I regret seeing it crushed. :(

I have been enjoying some of his other videos.
My Honda has had twice the amount of unscheduled dealer trips as my Audi:) To some extent you have to wonder how one guy buys so many lemons.

The enthusiast gets a the E63 AMG and deals with the issues. The somewhat practical person gets the e400. The really practical person gets something else:).

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Re: Car people: 2014 E63 AMG or 2018 E400 wagon??

Post by lazydavid » Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:35 pm

Beehave wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:37 pm
If you want to take pride in a vehicle and your driving get a Corolla manual 6-speed. It'll last forever with easy maintenance and you'll be connected with your driving experience far beyond any luxo coupe or wagon.
With <140hp and wrong-wheel drive, I'll pass, thanks. I don't want to be "connected" to a terrible driving experience (though the manual makes it mildly less awful), with severe understeer at parking-lot speeds.. When they make a Corolla with proper RWD and 400+ hp, I'll be first in line. Suspect I'll be waiting a while.

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Re: Car people: 2014 E63 AMG or 2018 E400 wagon??

Post by Beehave » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:19 pm

lazydavid wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:35 pm
Beehave wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:37 pm
If you want to take pride in a vehicle and your driving get a Corolla manual 6-speed. It'll last forever with easy maintenance and you'll be connected with your driving experience far beyond any luxo coupe or wagon.
With <140hp and wrong-wheel drive, I'll pass, thanks. I don't want to be "connected" to a terrible driving experience (though the manual makes it mildly less awful), with severe understeer at parking-lot speeds.. When they make a Corolla with proper RWD and 400+ hp, I'll be first in line. Suspect I'll be waiting a while.
At least we're in agreement on the manual transmission. :sharebeer

killjoy2012
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Re: Car people: 2014 E63 AMG or 2018 E400 wagon??

Post by killjoy2012 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:32 pm

$80k for a used station wagon?

Is voting 'neither' an option? :)

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Re: Car people: 2014 E63 AMG or 2018 E400 wagon??

Post by 3504PIR » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:04 pm

jharkin wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:39 pm
“Car people” would ditch the station wagons for something with 2 doors ;) :twisted:
Not always true. Friend of mine got an Alpina 3 series wagon with no markings. Great sleeper and crazy fast on the autobahn.

I'd get the new wagon as Mercedes has added a lot to their cars in the last 4 years. Love to get a C63 AMG someday - don't think they make them new anymore.

sambb
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Re: Car people: 2014 E63 AMG or 2018 E400 wagon??

Post by sambb » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:07 pm

consider, as an alternative to these choices:
1. subaru wagon + preowned cayman

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Re: Car people: 2014 E63 AMG or 2018 E400 wagon??

Post by baguette » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:32 pm

OP here, finishing up the story.

We've been completely persuaded by all your warnings against the AMG's short warranty. Neither of us loved it enough to overcome those inevitable hassles. We also decided that, although there are things to like about the e400, it's a bit boring and neither of us loved it. Back to the drawing board for us...

... that meant looking at the Jaguar wagon. (As one review said, it's "old beyond its years.")
... and considering the MB GLC. That's the first time we've ever even thought about an SUV. (Truck-like feel, cramped interior.)
... and even thinking outside the box - just go cheap and fun? hot hatch? (We learned we can't go back, fun as those days were.)

We almost skipped the Porsche Macan S, thinking it would be GLC like. But, what the heck, we were near a dealership and had time for test drive. No more arguments, that's what we're getting. (LOVE it.)

THANK YOU all for your help! We didn't land where we expected, and thank goodness for that. You can't plan for everything.

baguette

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