Poll: BHs who rent - what % of gross do you spend on rent?

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Poll: BHs who rent - what % of gross do you spend on rent?

Post by 2m2037 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:02 am

What % of gross income (combined) do you pay for rent? Just curious. 10%? 15%? 20%?

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Post by AG2013 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:07 am

6% We live in a LCOL area and are focused on paying off student loans and maxing tax-advantaged retirement accounts.

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Post by ppdandekar » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:11 am

11%. Trying to save for a house

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Post by junior » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:12 am

20%. I am single and live with an unemployed relative who doesn't pay rent.

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Post by Snowjob » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:18 am

This is a function of cost of living in the area and salary. I'm in a higher cost of living area (not SF, NYC but certainly higher than most parts of the country) I'm about 15%

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Post by Rob5TCP » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:19 am

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Post by masteraleph » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:40 am

Roughly 22-23%. NYC, outer boroughs.

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Post by snm85 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:42 am

7.5% in HCOL area

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Post by kmurp » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:43 am

I don’t rent but one of my daughters pays 50% of her take home in rent (HCOL).

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Post by muddgirl » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:49 am

11% - two incomes, no kids, renting a 3 BR 1.5 BA rowhouse in a rust belt city.

Anecdotally we are paying lower than average rent for our area because we live in a home that has not had significant upgrades since the 1950s. That means no dishwasher and no central air. If we lived in an upgraded multifamily home in our area, we'd be paying closer to 15%.

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Post by Bradley37 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:53 am

11% - but I help out with babysitting for 2-3 days/week for their 4 year old boy who is my nephew. I rent a room in my sister's house and I have a dog too.

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Post by financeidiot » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:04 am

15 - 25% in Washington, DC. Used to be higher until I increased income and added a roommate. Getting rent lower becomes a cost and time tradeoff with transportation.

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Post by bungalow10 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:05 am

Really timely question for me!

We rent in Europe right now - 17%

We are considering renting in the US - 18.5% est

high COL, family of five, single income

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Post by Sandtrap » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:12 am

In Hawaii, especially Oahu, Honolulu, it is common for folks to pay up to or more than 50% of their gross income for rent. (been there many times).
A 600 square feet concrete walk-up apartment with 1 tiny uncovered parking stall, basic habitable box, 2 bedroom, 1 bath, may rent from $1500 and up up up.
And locations at these prices are not ideal. (bar and pawn shop next door, typically)

Actionably:
Where income is marginal, moving from UHCOL places like Hawaii to ULCOL in retirement is "textbook" Boglehead.

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Post by sailaway » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:15 am

Sandtrap wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:12 am
In Hawaii, especially Oahu, Honolulu, it is common for folks to pay up to or more than 50% of their gross income for rent. (been there many times).
A 600 square feet concrete walk-up apartment with 1 tiny uncovered parking stall, 2 bedroom, 1 bath, may rent from $1500 and up up up.

Actionably:
Where income is marginal, moving from UHCOL places like Hawaii to ULCOL in retirement is "textbook" Boglehead.

j :D
That would be $2000 here in San Diego.

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Post by Sandtrap » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:18 am

sailaway wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:15 am
Sandtrap wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:12 am
In Hawaii, especially Oahu, Honolulu, it is common for folks to pay up to or more than 50% of their gross income for rent. (been there many times).
A 600 square feet concrete walk-up apartment with 1 tiny uncovered parking stall, 2 bedroom, 1 bath, may rent from $1500 and up up up.
And locations at these prices are not ideal. (bar and pawn shop next door, typically)

Actionably:
Where income is marginal, moving from UHCOL places like Hawaii to ULCOL in retirement is "textbook" Boglehead.

j :D
That would be $2000 here in San Diego.
Yes. Another HCOL.
I edited my post to detail location.
San Diego. Nice.
j

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Post by mcraepat9 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:19 am

~10% in HCOL (NYC).
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Post by Jayhawk11 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:21 am

8% in HCOL (my wife makes a ton of money making the percentage look decent).

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Post by DVMResident » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:24 am

2017: 19%, single income, family of 3, SoCal. It's a steal at 19%.
2018: 14% (projected), dual income, same place.
sailaway wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:15 am
Sandtrap wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:12 am
In Hawaii, especially Oahu, Honolulu, it is common for folks to pay up to or more than 50% of their gross income for rent. (been there many times).
A 600 square feet concrete walk-up apartment with 1 tiny uncovered parking stall, 2 bedroom, 1 bath, may rent from $1500 and up up up.

Actionably:
Where income is marginal, moving from UHCOL places like Hawaii to ULCOL in retirement is "textbook" Boglehead.

j :D
That would be $2000 here in San Diego.
All of coastal CA from San Diego to the bay area is like this. Want cheaper? That'll be 1.5+ hour commute!

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Post by luminous » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:28 am

2011: 24%
2018: 18%

Same apartment, same rent (thanks to rent control), increased income. Family of four, one income, HCOL area.
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Post by themesrob » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:29 am

7.5% in NYC, dual income

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Post by MI_bogle » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:37 am

Before buying our house we were paying 12% in rent.

We now pay the same in PITI, but for more than double the square footage

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Post by mervinj7 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:42 am

18% in the San Francisco Bay Area and that's with dual incomes.

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Post by runner540 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:45 am

12% of salaries only. <10% of income including bonuses.

That is comfortable for us. At the beginning of my career it was more like 25% and that felt tight.

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Post by N10sive » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:51 am

If I only count rent and not the costs of paying for parking/other fees. I am single, live alone, and in a HCOL-VHCOL area. I plan to move when my lease is up in 6 months to a place and have the cost but will only reduce my percent for the year around 2.

2017 - 17% (Including Other Fees, 20.5%)
2018 - 15% (18.5%)

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Post by DrGoogle2017 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:58 am

My daughter rent in the Bay Area, HCOL, but not the city, she’s paying less than 15%, it could be lower if you count the whole compensation package. She was adamant about keeping that limit with her roommate, fortunately they did find a nice apartment.

Another daughter rent in nice area of SoCal near LA, I think she pays about 20-25%.

They both have roommates.

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Post by HRPennypacker » Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:02 pm

Just under 10% in HCOL (South Bay Area, CA)
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Post by lightheir » Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:07 pm

When I was renting, I spent 40% of my gross on rent in LA. It wasn't unusual down there. It always depressed me to hear how many BHers said <25%.

I'm making more money now, but I still spend nearly the same amount on mortgage! :oops:

And despite what all the naysayers say, everything has worked out fine, including retirement savings and homeownership. So just because you're not doing the 'recommended' <33% guideline doesn't mean you'll break the bank.

And don't feel too badly when comparing yourselves to BHers, which tend to be a self-selected bunch (on top of the self-bias confirmation of the people who post here - few folks who actually feel they spend too much on rent will voluntarily post about it.)

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Post by katzmandu » Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:32 pm

22% NYC outer borough

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Post by blueman457 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:02 pm

Currently 5.5% - recently moved to a slightly lower cost of living, which higher paycheck.
Previously 12% - 20% (VHCOL, Manhattan)

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Post by Wings5 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:06 pm

12% in DFW

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Post by Agggm » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:10 pm

2m2037 wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:02 am
What % of gross income (combined) do you pay for rent? Just curious. 10%? 15%? 20%?
8% of gross in northern NJ

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Post by badger42 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:11 pm

We rent in a crazily VHCOL area.

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Post by Rainmaker41 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:21 pm

19.4% of gross household income in a high cost of living city. (includes heating & water)

We (couple) rent a comparatively cheap studio in a building whose price is about 78% of the average for the city.

Our income is slightly above the city's median household income, but we have no kids.

In other words, our household cost of living is well below what is 'expected' for our income. Our savings rate is accordingly above what is 'expected'. It's a lifestyle choice we hope will allow us to be set for later on.
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Post by RPU_Milo » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:58 pm

6% - Allowing us plenty of options and opportunities.

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Post by inittowinit » Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:24 pm

10.5%

I'm in a VHCOL area but have lucked into cheap housing.

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Post by mlipps » Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:28 pm

18% in Chicago with a 20 minute commute to downtown

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Post by MadDash335 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:15 pm

Curious about thoughts here, actually! So sort of a sub topic.

Right now: 9.5% of gross on rent in a great area and apartment in a HCOL in the best part of Boston.

What started as about 15+% of gross income has turned to a much lower percentage due to substantial raises over the past 3-4 years. When we get married, our needs will change so we are beginning to at least peak at the market. For now renting makes sense but we may try to buy in the next 5-10 years, depending on the opportunity. We save a lot (35%-50%) of our income and are comfortable on the lower end of that and we will be prepared to buy regardless if/when that time comes.

I feel a bit of guilty looking at apartments that would raise our rent to 15-20% of our gross income and I'm wrestling with whether that is silly or not. Of course, consumer research is my specialty and if it was a substantial bump, the apartment would have to knock our socks off.

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Post by neuro84 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:53 pm

Well, I may as well set an upper bound for this thread. We spend 27.4% of our gross income in rent, in a low-medium COL city (Atlanta). One income (medical resident), DW is a graduate student (school fees/grad stipend are basically a wash), 2 kids, 3br/1ba in a nice in-town neighborhood.

In 18 months what we currently pay for rent will be about 7% of my post-residency gross income. At which point we will start aggressively saving to buy a house.
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Post by BogleMelon » Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:07 pm

14%
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Post by PhysicsTeacher » Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:46 pm

Just under 10% of gross gets our DINK household a spacious two bedroom townhouse in Arkansas.

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Post by randomguy » Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:50 pm

2m2037 wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:02 am
What % of gross income (combined) do you pay for rent? Just curious. 10%? 15%? 20%?
~5% in a HCOL area. But all that is saying is I have a high income. If I was making 75% less, I would still be living in the same spot.

In the end this is a useless number. Some areas are low rent and others are high. Some people are high income (i.e. when your making 800k/year, 10% is a lot of money. Making 40k/year, not so much. The dual incomes is a good way to skew income up),

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Post by randomizer » Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:51 pm

Just under 5%, HCOL. Taxes are a much bigger expense for me than rent.
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Post by lazylarry » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:16 am

6% in a relatively nice area . PA cost of living is fantastic.
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Post by Daryl » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:00 am

Almost 20%, including cable / internet / all utilities (1 fixed monthly bill). I live next to Vanguard's HQ in PA.

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Post by mouth » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:44 am

21% in VA inside the DC Beltway to give a sense of COL

Had I known I would have lived here for the last 10 years I would have bought. But in 2007 we all know what housing looked like (in fact this place was only for rent due to a "flip" gone upside down) and I've been "2 years from moving out of town" the entire time; even right now. So buying just never made sense except now in hindsight [sigh]

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Post by deikel » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:06 pm

I consider my mortgage payment as renting from the bank - does that qualify too? In which case its 20% from net, LCOL
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Post by leeks » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:41 pm

10%, NYC, not Manhattan
but every few months we look at a bigger place...so we might pay significantly more sometime soon

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Post by JDP » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:24 pm

5.2%

My fiancee and I pay $270 each per month for rent, so $540 total. We live in a LCOL college town in the Midwest. The apartment is decently sized and is located in a low crime area.

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Post by purpleKatz » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:31 pm

27% back when I was renting. I felt lucky to grab it even though it was right next to a noisy airport and a smelly sewage plant. I very quickly found two roommates who lowered it to 10%. HCOL in Southern California.

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