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European Cities that don't interest you

Post by theplayer11 » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:29 pm

Just curious as to what cities in Europe that travelers have no interest in and why...or maybe cities that
you visited and wouldn't recommend. I realize this is all about personal taste, but the reasons might help others who might be on the fence. I'll start:
Rome-really don't have interest in the ruins
Paris- not a big city person, but besides that no real reason...just not interested.

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Post by livesoft » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:34 pm

I can't think of one that I would go out of my way to miss.
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Post by walnut » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:36 pm

Frankfurt

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Re: European Cities that don't interest you

Post by SrGrumpy » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:39 pm

I guess we've officially run out of thread ideas, unless someone's up for a discussion on our least favorite colors.

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Post by Tycoon » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:39 pm

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Post by livesoft » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:40 pm

I'm going to predict that I will have already visited every single city mentioned in this thread. :)
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Re: European Cities that don't interest you

Post by theplayer11 » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:46 pm

SrGrumpy wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:39 pm
I guess we've officially run out of thread ideas, unless someone's up for a discussion on our least favorite colors.
disagree.. obviously because I started the thread. My wife and I have started traveling much more over last few years so I'm interested in what cities or countries maybe to drop down on the list and not focus on.

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Re: European Cities that don't interest you

Post by theplayer11 » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:46 pm

livesoft wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:40 pm
I'm going to predict that I will have already visited every single city mentioned in this thread. :)
OK...list your least favorite 5

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Re: European Cities that don't interest you

Post by livesoft » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:48 pm

Paris
Rome
London
Munich
Paris

Ooops, those are my most favorite 5. I had to count Paris twice.
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Post by rob » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:51 pm

livesoft wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:48 pm
Paris
Rome
London
Munich
Paris

Ooops, those are my most favorite 5. I had to count Paris twice.
lol - You had me going until I got to the end.... The ONLY one I can think of and I'm glad I have visited is Vienna - I have no need to go back as better alternatives IMO.
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Post by tim1999 » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:52 pm

Others will probably call me small-minded in that international travel holds little appeal to me.

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Post by jebmke » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:52 pm

Not that impressed with Manchester but I was there mainly on business.
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Post by oldcomputerguy » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:56 pm

We did Paris back in May. Notre Dame cathedral was stunning. The rest of the town, not so much. The abundance of pickpockets targeting tourists put me off ever wanting to go back. Sadly, we were there on a day on which the majority of museums (including the Louvre) were closed.
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Post by gator15 » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:58 pm

Most cities in England including London, Manchester and Liverpool. I went in the summer. The weather sucked. The food was unimpressive and everything was expensive. I went there for the British Open a few years ago. Problem is I have to go back at least one more time because I badly want to go to Wimbledon. I will likely go there again next year for that purpose but will only stay for a few days. I will find some other country to spend rest of my vacation.

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Post by FireProof » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:59 pm

Luton
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Post by brokendirtdart » Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:10 pm

Pisa
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Post by FedGuy » Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:12 pm

I disliked Munich. If you don't like beer (which I don't), the city has fairly little to offer.

Florence also isn't terribly interesting if you're not interested in art.

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Post by VictoriaF » Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:15 pm

walnut wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:36 pm
Frankfurt
I went on an "alternative Frankfurt" walking tour and it was fascinating. The guide showed to us where prostitutes were aggregating at the end of WWII to sell their services for chewing gum, a building owned by Hells Angels apartments in which they rent to modern prostitutes, clinics where drug addicts get drug injections to help them dealing with withdrawal symptoms, and other places that I would have missed on my own.

Frankfurt and Dresden were the opposite of what I had expected. I knew that Dresden was destroyed during WWII and was pleasantly surprised by how beautiful it is, including some restored palaces, churches, and monuments. I was imagining Frankfurt as a straight-laced boring business center and was surprised by how normal it is.

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Post by VictoriaF » Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:16 pm

Donetsk.
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Re: European Cities that don't interest you

Post by bubbadog » Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:17 pm

We spent three days in Venice this past summer, one would have been plenty.

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Post by brokendirtdart » Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:17 pm

FedGuy wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:12 pm


Florence also isn't terribly interesting if you're not interested in art.
It had an Irish bar which pulled us down from Vicenza in the 90s. Other than that, concur. :sharebeer

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Post by GerryL » Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:28 pm

I suppose this all depends on whether you want to "do" the city or actually visit. Do you just want to hit the must-see sights, or do you want to explore? I'd think that just about any city can be an interesting quick stop. Deciding to spend a week or more will likely depend on what interests you -- and not what interests someone else.

A few months ago I was sitting in the travel section of a AAA office. From the neighboring agent's cubicle I heard a woman ask: "Is there really enough to do in Vienna for 2 days?" It occurred to me that this was a person who was looking to "do" Vienna as I was preparing for a European trip that would include 2 weeks in Lyon, France, which I had briefly visited on a previous trip.(I am one of those people who likes to return to places I've visited before.)

BTW, Any big (and some small) European city you go to these days will be crawling with tourists if you stick to the main tourist areas. I was so discouraged when I returned to Paris in 2015 after a 26 year absence. But this year when I was back in Paris, I was largely able to avoid the crunch by planning which routes I took at which time of the day.

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Post by TravelforFun » Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:42 pm

Arromanches-les Bains near D-Day Cemetery.

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Re: European Cities that don't interest you

Post by bberris » Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:48 pm

FedGuy wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:12 pm
I disliked Munich. If you don't like beer (which I don't), the city has fairly little to offer.

Florence also isn't terribly interesting if you're not interested in art.
An alternative to Munich, close to the airport is Freising. There is beer, and what they claim is the oldest brewery. Beautiful, clean, peaceful, good food cheap, no surveys and gold-ring peddling gypsies. Good for an overnight before your flight.

I could skip Paris. It's a lot like New York, except that more people speak English in Paris.
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Re: European Cities that don't interest you

Post by Epsilon Delta » Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:52 pm

jebmke wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:52 pm
Not that impressed with Manchester but I was there mainly on business.
That's because you've never been to Liverpool.

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Post by littlebird » Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:15 pm

tim1999 wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:52 pm
Others will probably call me small-minded in that international travel holds little appeal to me.
Me too. And spouse. Maybe because grandparents had to scramble to get out, hated their countries of origin, with good reason, and adored the U.S. Also grew up in the era of "westerns" and the romanticizing of The West, train travel, road travel,and the National Parks ( I was a heavy reader). All of which imbued me with an interest in the western U.S. and none at all in Europe.

Helped make for an economical early retirement. :wink:

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Post by Gnirk » Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:21 pm

livesoft wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:48 pm
Paris
Rome
London
Munich
Paris

Ooops, those are my most favorite 5. I had to count Paris twice.
:thumbsup
Neuremberg, Budapest, Amsterdam, Vienna, Edinburgh, Avignon and the surrounding area....but I love history, art, and architecture.
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Re: European Cities that don't interest you

Post by Compound » Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:24 pm

SrGrumpy wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:39 pm
I guess we've officially run out of thread ideas, unless someone's up for a discussion on our least favorite colors.
Your post and livesoft’s gave me a good laugh.
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Post by Alex Frakt » Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:28 pm

Charleroi, Belgium - been to the airport, no desire to go back. I would probably extend this all all Wallonia, but I'm admittedly under the influence of a very close Flemish friend.
Moscow - for reasons that go beyond tourism, can't explain further without going OT
Germany - I've spent a few weeks there over the years. There's nothing wrong with it and it's one of the easiest non-English speaking countries to visit, it's just that there's nothing outstanding either.
French Riviera - just not my thing

OTOH, I spent 4 days in Venice and absolutely loved it. Perhaps because I was there in November, well outside the main tourist season.

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Post by Watty » Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:00 pm

Alex Frakt wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:28 pm
OTOH, I spent 4 days in Venice and absolutely loved it. Perhaps because I was there in November, well outside the main tourist season.
There is so much global tourism now that avoiding any big tourist destination during the peak season is pretty much a must now.

Many countries are developing a much stronger middle class and increasing tourism is part of that.

Over the last few year I have noticed a sharp increase in Chinese tour groups which has added to the volume of people seeing the "Grand Tour" sites of Europe. They seem little different than a American tour group so they are not causing any problems other than just adding to the volume. Some of the Chinese tourists we saw looked like they were in their 70's or even older and it is amazing to think of the changes they have seen in their lives.

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is England in a Europe?

Post by FraggleRock » Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:17 pm

jebmke wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:52 pm
Not that impressed with Manchester but I was there mainly on business.
1. Me too.
No interest in returning.
However, an opposing view https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... gland.html

2. And, some others (based upon very high beer prices in restaurants):
all of Finland, Norway, Iceland, Sweden

3. Chernobyl, Ukraine
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Post by TravelforFun » Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:25 pm

Alex Frakt wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:28 pm
French Riviera - just not my thing
I guess everyone is different. I absolutely love Nice, Cannes, and St Tropez.

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Re: European Cities that don't interest you

Post by letsgobobby » Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:31 pm

littlebird wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:15 pm
tim1999 wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:52 pm
Others will probably call me small-minded in that international travel holds little appeal to me.
Me too. And spouse. Maybe because grandparents had to scramble to get out, hated their countries of origin, with good reason, and adored the U.S. Also grew up in the era of "westerns" and the romanticizing of The West, train travel, road travel,and the National Parks ( I was a heavy reader). All of which imbued me with an interest in the western U.S. and none at all in Europe.

Helped make for an economical early retirement. :wink:
I like to do both

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Re: European Cities that don't interest you

Post by TravelGeek » Sun Dec 24, 2017 12:51 am

Epsilon Delta wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:52 pm
That's because you've never been to Liverpool.
I was in Liverpool on business and had a day (in December) to look around. Absolutely loved the restored waterfront and found the slavery museum to be very well done.

I guess this thread proves that for nearly every post there will or could be a counter post, not sure how this is actually useful to anyone.

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Post by curmudgeon » Sun Dec 24, 2017 1:56 am

I've always found it interesting how different cities or regions will take people very differently. I definitely can't reliably pick in advance whether a city will appeal to me. In most European big cities my wife and I can entertain ourselves contentedly for a few days, but some definitely draw us back more than others. I normally lean more towards charming small towns and villages in the countryside over the cities (there is definitely wide variance in how attractive I find various countryside regions as well).

Cities that I've spent at least a few days in, but which have no big draw for me to return:
Frankfurt (though I haven't really tried it as a tourist)
Munich - OK, but not compelling
Amsterdam - ''
Luxembourg - not much of interest
Florence - maybe too much art and churches the way we visited

maybes:
Vienna - there is a lot to see, but only the opera and symphony really hooked me
Paris - doesn't grab me the way it does so many others
Rome - need to return in spring or fall to give it a better shot

have me hooked:
Venice - despite being such a tourist city, the history feels alive to me somehow
London - aside from the city itself, a big draw is having so much live theater running constantly (in english)
Prague - approachable and affordable, lots of charm
Barcelona - friendly, vibrant, walkable

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Re: European Cities that don't interest you

Post by carolinaman » Sun Dec 24, 2017 7:43 am

No one has mentioned a Swiss city yet. I have always wanted to visit Switzerland.

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Post by theplayer11 » Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:41 am

carolinaman wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2017 7:43 am
No one has mentioned a Swiss city yet. I have always wanted to visit Switzerland.
Switzerland is a must for anyone who likes natural beauty..best vacation for me
Zurich-liked, especially old town
Geneva- not so much, didn't seem a part of Switzerland
Everything in between...fantastic

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Post by Valuethinker » Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:12 am

bubbadog wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:17 pm
We spent three days in Venice this past summer, one would have been plenty.
Wrong time of year and you probably only visited St Mark's Sestiere?

You have to see Venezia off peak and get out into the other quarters. Otherwise the crowds are just overwhelming.

Florence was the city I found to be no longer worth the hassle.

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Post by dbr » Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:15 am

The only city I have been in that I just wouldn't want to visit again is Athens.

I have very little exposure to the kinds of places in the world that really are just horrible and dangerous places to be.

Oh, and I am not so sure I would go to Rio in this era but enjoyed it very much many years ago. Probably Caracas fits the same description now. But, you said Europe?

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Post by rob » Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:18 am

brokendirtdart wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:17 pm
FedGuy wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:12 pm


Florence also isn't terribly interesting if you're not interested in art.
It had an Irish bar which pulled us down from Vicenza in the 90s. Other than that, concur. :sharebeer
I'm always amazed at how different people see the world and I just LOVE that fact... See I loved Florence and I'm far from an art guy.... I spent a few days just wandering around, eating at cafe's, watching people go about the world, listening to buskers, watch tourists get taken by street painters... I am a history fan, so maybe that was part of it for me... not sure....
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Re: European Cities that don't interest you

Post by Dave55 » Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:20 am

carolinaman wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2017 7:43 am
No one has mentioned a Swiss city yet. I have always wanted to visit Switzerland.
Our favorite Swiss city is Lucerne on Lake Lucerne.

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Post by linenfort » Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:23 am

Chernobyl — maybe I am somewhat interested, but from a distance.
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Post by barreg » Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:24 am

Valuethinker wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:12 am
bubbadog wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:17 pm
We spent three days in Venice this past summer, one would have been plenty.
Wrong time of year and you probably only visited St Mark's Sestiere?

You have to see Venezia off peak and get out into the other quarters. Otherwise the crowds are just overwhelming.

Florence was the city I found to be no longer worth the hassle.
Getting away from St Mark's square is the key I think. We went in June last year for 3 nights, staying in an apartment in Dorsoduro and loved it. I wish we could have stayed longer.

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Post by JeepDaze » Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:30 am

Moskova, Russia

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Post by camillus » Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:30 am

Moscow & St. Pete

There’s plenty to see, but my midwestern self had a hard time with endless, cold, impersonal crowds. Walking on the sidewalk, no one smiles or makes eye contact. Russians only seemed to warm up to you behind closed doors.

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Post by Valuethinker » Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:32 am

FraggleRock wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:17 pm
jebmke wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:52 pm
Not that impressed with Manchester but I was there mainly on business.
Me too.
No interest in returning.
However, an opposing view https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... gland.html
We all remember when Manchester was a centre maybe the centre of dance music in the world? The 1980s? Hacienda (now yuppie flats). See the film "24 Hour Party People".

It has gentrified and has had an extraordinary downtown revival. But lost something in the process.

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Post by nedsaid » Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:33 am

Dave55 wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:20 am
carolinaman wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2017 7:43 am
No one has mentioned a Swiss city yet. I have always wanted to visit Switzerland.
Our favorite Swiss city is Lucerne on Lake Lucerne.

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Re: European Cities that don't interest you

Post by Nicolas » Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:39 am

Durham, England. We were interested in the Norman architecture there but couldn't find a parking spot. We circled and criss-crossed the city for 45 minutes, finally we gave up and pushed north. It might be a perfectly charming place, we'll never know.

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Re: European Cities that don't interest you

Post by Valuethinker » Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:42 am

Alex Frakt wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:28 pm
Charleroi, Belgium - been to the airport, no desire to go back. I would probably extend this all all Wallonia, but I'm admittedly under the influence of a very close Flemish friend.
Moscow - for reasons that go beyond tourism, can't explain further without going OT
Germany - I've spent a few weeks there over the years. There's nothing wrong with it and it's one of the easiest non-English speaking countries to visit, it's just that there's nothing outstanding either.
French Riviera - just not my thing

OTOH, I spent 4 days in Venice and absolutely loved it. Perhaps because I was there in November, well outside the main tourist season.
I've never been to Moscow but have heard it is depressing and the public manner aggressive and hostile. Reminds me of New York City in early 80s, but add 8 lane roads and traffic to boot and strip out all the charming bits.

Germany is what the Brits say about Canada in contrast to its neighbour. Overly clean efficient and well run. I would put an honourable exception to Berlin which is endlessly fascinating and poignant. Stinks of history.

Flemish. Bruges is a bit chocolate boxy. But good for day. A relative won his VC not far away. Antwerp I really liked. The Northern Renaissance. Amsterdam without the sleaze (mostly).

French Rivera. That part of the Med is just horribly glitzy and overbuilt. Nice a particular disappointment.

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