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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by celia » Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:22 pm

S&L1940 wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:28 am
Like the folks who are unhappy about a doctor who 'has a lousy (or sour) personality'
Yeah. But. How about the fact that she or he is a great care provider and is focused on keeping you well.
I came to the conclusion (or read somewhere?) that some doctors are very personable and tell you what you want to hear, so some people gravitate to them. Other doctors tell you things that you don't want to hear (you need to lose weight, eat healthier) and are "pushing" you to be healthier. Some people will run away from these doctors. But, it's your choice which of these doctors you visit.

This is just like using a financial advisor who paints a rosy picture for you but you won't have to do anything but keep sending him money. Compare that to the Do-It-Yourselfers who are willing to hunt for advice (for example, come here) and make some phone calls and adjust their portfolio themselves.
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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by dewey » Sun Sep 03, 2017 1:12 pm

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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by azurekep » Sun Sep 03, 2017 2:53 pm

The Wizard wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 7:31 am
azurekep wrote:
Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:29 pm
...Am I correct in assuming that ANY prospective future regulatory change is prohibited from being discussed? Regardless of whether it has investment implcations?
That's a pretty good assumption.
And if something doesn't have investment implications, then it's probably off topic in that most general discussions are disallowed.

And most regulatory changes involve politics...
Okay, so it's the politics angle.

I was able to get a VPN thread in on Personal Consumer Issues, but I didn't mention the underlying change in internet policy that was driving the thread. I guess when a specific technology is involved, a thread can be built around that. It's a way to get people informed on an unfamiliar technology (like VPNs) before a new policy comes into effect.

With something like a potential repeal of Net Neutrality, however, there would be no natural technology to gravitate to and learn about. It would be a case of once the policy goes into effect (if it does), people would simply shift to a different service, as needed -- one probably not needing a lot of up-front research.

Ah well, was trying to think of a way to bring in more relevant topics into Personal Consumer Issues...topics which might be interesting to some. But it appears that one won't fly.

In any case, the funny thing about BH topics is that once there is ONE topic in a forum that one likes, there likely will be FIVE on a similar topic very shortly -- due to the meme effect. The converse is true as well -- one boring topic yields five similar boring topics. So you always know when it's a good time to be on the board or not. :P

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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by itstoomuch » Sun Sep 03, 2017 3:05 pm

I've been kicked off more than one board for trying to make that board more interesting. :annoyed
A popular board, I've kicked off more than once. :annoyed :( :oops:
I was popular but annoying to those that mattered. :oops: 8-)
And that was in the board's cafe. :? :confused :x
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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by arcticpineapplecorp. » Sun Sep 03, 2017 3:15 pm

DaftInvestor wrote:
Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:00 am
OP:
My response to you is similar to the one that I used to give to my kids when they were young and used the "b" word.
If you are finding the forum less interesting then do something about it. What topics are of interest to you that you feel are worth discussing? Make some interesting thought-provoking posts or ask some interesting questions.
Think of it this way:
Its not what Bogleheads can do for you - its what you can do for Bogleheads.
Hmmm. Maybe we're getting less interesting because we're getting more repetitive (What Daft Investor wrote on 9/1/17 was already said...by me the day before on 8/31/17!):
arcticpineapplecorp. wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2017 4:34 pm
One other thing (serious, not snarky)...Bogleheads is what we make of it. If it's less interesting to you, what can you offer to make it more interesting?

Ask not what your Bogleheads can do for you, but what you can do for your Bogleheads.
source: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=226805#p3514891

I hate to accuse anyone of plagarism, so I'll just chalk it up to great minds think alike.
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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by Uncle Pennybags » Sun Sep 03, 2017 4:16 pm

arcticpineapplecorp. wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 3:15 pm
I hate to accuse anyone of plagarism, so I'll just chalk it up to great minds think alike.
It's more like posters not reading the thread because they find it boring.

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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by SGM » Sun Sep 03, 2017 4:24 pm

Tycoon wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:55 am
SGM wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:05 am
I don't recall why the polls were abandoned, but I was not sorry to see them go. I certainly wouldn't base any investment decisions based on polls.
Results were seriously statistically flawed. Biased samples, lack of randomness, truthfullness, etc. You might not base decisions on them, but others likely would.
I agree with you. I studied statistics and polling in some of my classes, so I was fully aware of the flaws. Possibly this was the reason polls were discontinued.

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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by arcticpineapplecorp. » Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:41 pm

Uncle Pennybags wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 4:16 pm
arcticpineapplecorp. wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 3:15 pm
I hate to accuse anyone of plagarism, so I'll just chalk it up to great minds think alike.
It's more like posters not reading the thread because they find it boring.
And then repost the exact boring thing they found boring that someone else posted? How dreadfully boring.
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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by Uncle Pennybags » Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:07 pm

arcticpineapplecorp. wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:41 pm
Uncle Pennybags wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 4:16 pm
arcticpineapplecorp. wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 3:15 pm
I hate to accuse anyone of plagarism, so I'll just chalk it up to great minds think alike.
It's more like posters not reading the thread because they find it boring.
And then repost the exact boring thing they found boring that someone else posted? How dreadfully boring.
They don't read they just post as their posts are the only ones not boring.

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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by Wildebeest » Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:58 pm

VictoriaF wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:12 pm
TomatoTomahto wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:10 pm
That happens, and then sometimes the poster exits, either temporarily or permanently, but without being escorted out. I liked jbolden1517's posts also.
I miss sscritic.

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Post by Wildebeest » Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:22 pm

VictoriaF wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:21 pm
Texanbybirth wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:07 pm
Not to inflate anyone's ego, but I still find posts by names such as SimpleGift (always seem to be interesting research (s)he's doing, and subsequent discussion is stimulating), bobcat2 (I enjoy his discussions of liability-matching)...
I am pleased that you have mentioned bobcat2. His discussions of liability-matching are much more relevant to the Bogleheads asset preservation strategies than speculative topics of alphas, betas, tilting, and alike.

Victoria

Maybe Bogleheads would not be as boring If there were more posts like the bobcat2 liability matching, it would hold the interest of the more discerning members.
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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by chinto » Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:09 pm

Over the years I have been fairly active in a number of forums. Here, I lurked for 7-9 years before posting. There was a reason for that. The way the forum is run, it simply is not conducive to people getting to know one another and bonding at a more personal level; that is fine, it is not a criticism, it is an observation. Also the forum seems heavily skewed to a certain perspective that has nothing to do with BogleHead principles so the posters tend to be cut from a similar fabric in world outlook that likely dissuades many from commentary. I finally posted when I had a circumstance that allowed a chance to leverage the vast knowledge of the community. And that appears to be the focus and purpose of the forum, not fellowship and camaraderie. And I’ll likely soon cease posting simply because I have determined my viewpoints are so far outside the conventional perspective of most BogleHead posters that there is almost constant contention. As it is I quickly delete a number of my own postings. When you find yourself self-moderating that often, it is sign the forum is not the correct fit for the individual. And I say that as someone who had moderated a number of forums.

As an aside, in almost every forum I have ever been in there usually are hidden, private subforums run by various factions who invite each other to privately chat on topics with like-minded folks. Sort of mutual admiration society, but ones that are fun and filed with camaraderie as they pick apart the fine points of distinction between people who agree on the majority of things.

Hence I would not be surprised to find there is actually a small conservative faction of Bogleheads who set up a private forum to discuss articles and posts from a more conservative point of view. Nor would I be surprised hat there is a far left subforum that does analogous things among who share a similar worldview. As I said, almost every forum I have been in is like this. It is just a bit harder to discern the sentiments of BogleHead members because of the posting guidelines. But people tend to gravitate toward their own in most circumstances and that is where the more interesting conversations tend to take place.

At any rate I hope someone found some value in this wandering perspective.

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Post by Wildebeest » Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:40 pm

chinto wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:09 pm
Over the years I have been fairly active in a number of forums. Here, I lurked for 7-9 years before posting. There was a reason for that. The way the forum is run, it simply is not conducive to people getting to know one another and bonding at a more personal level; that is fine, it is not a criticism, it is an observation. Also the forum seems heavily skewed to a certain perspective that has nothing to do with BogleHead principles so the posters tend to be cut from a similar fabric in world outlook that likely dissuades many from commentary. I finally posted when I had a circumstance that allowed a chance to leverage the vast knowledge of the community. And that appears to be the focus and purpose of the forum, not fellowship and camaraderie. And I’ll likely soon cease posting simply because I have determined my viewpoints are so far outside the conventional perspective of most BogleHead posters that there is almost constant contention. As it is I quickly delete a number of my own postings. When you find yourself self-moderating that often, it is sign the forum is not the correct fit for the individual. And I say that as someone who had moderated a number of forums.

As an aside, in almost every forum I have ever been in there usually are hidden, private subforums run by various factions who invite each other to privately chat on topics with like-minded folks. Sort of mutual admiration society, but ones that are fun and filed with camaraderie as they pick apart the fine points of distinction between people who agree on the majority of things.

Hence I would not be surprised to find there is actually a small conservative faction of Bogleheads who set up a private forum to discuss articles and posts from a more conservative point of view. Nor would I be surprised hat there is a far left subforum that does analogous things among who share a similar worldview. As I said, almost every forum I have been in is like this. It is just a bit harder to discern the sentiments of BogleHead members because of the posting guidelines. But people tend to gravitate toward their own in most circumstances and that is where the more interesting conversations tend to take place.

At any rate I hope someone found some value in this wandering perspective.
Interesting post.

It would never occurred to me to delete my own posts.

It never occurred to me there may be a small conservative faction as well a far left subforum at Bogleheads.

Who knew?
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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by tavore » Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:17 pm

I'm mostly here when the "Stocks in Freefall" thread pops back. :twisted: That's never boring.

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Post by CABob » Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:52 pm

tavore wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:17 pm
I'm mostly here when the "Stocks in Freefall" thread pops back. :twisted: That's never boring.
Are you like me and click that message before I realize that it is a thread that was started four years ago? :confused :confused
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Post by Uncle Pennybags » Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:03 am

CABob wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:52 pm
tavore wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:17 pm
I'm mostly here when the "Stocks in Freefall" thread pops back. :twisted: That's never boring.
Are you like me and click that message before I realize that it is a thread that was started four years ago? :confused :confused
The "freefall" is coming, stay tuned.

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Post by dcabler » Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:55 am

retiredjg wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:00 pm
Tycoon wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:55 am
SGM wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:05 am
I don't recall why the polls were abandoned, but I was not sorry to see them go. I certainly wouldn't base any investment decisions based on polls.
Results were seriously statistically flawed. Biased samples, lack of randomness, truthfullness, etc. You might not base decisions on them, but others likely would.
I enjoyed the polls a lot, but agree they were seriously statistically flawed.

I wish we still had them, but some people probably did make decisions based on the polls so I guess it might be better not to have them.
If you do like polls, they still have them over at early-retirement.org

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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by skjoldur » Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:31 am

chinto wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:09 pm
Over the years I have been fairly active in a number of forums. Here, I lurked for 7-9 years before posting. There was a reason for that. The way the forum is run, it simply is not conducive to people getting to know one another and bonding at a more personal level; that is fine, it is not a criticism, it is an observation. Also the forum seems heavily skewed to a certain perspective that has nothing to do with BogleHead principles so the posters tend to be cut from a similar fabric in world outlook that likely dissuades many from commentary. I finally posted when I had a circumstance that allowed a chance to leverage the vast knowledge of the community. And that appears to be the focus and purpose of the forum, not fellowship and camaraderie. And I’ll likely soon cease posting simply because I have determined my viewpoints are so far outside the conventional perspective of most BogleHead posters that there is almost constant contention. As it is I quickly delete a number of my own postings. When you find yourself self-moderating that often, it is sign the forum is not the correct fit for the individual. And I say that as someone who had moderated a number of forums.

As an aside, in almost every forum I have ever been in there usually are hidden, private subforums run by various factions who invite each other to privately chat on topics with like-minded folks. Sort of mutual admiration society, but ones that are fun and filed with camaraderie as they pick apart the fine points of distinction between people who agree on the majority of things.

Hence I would not be surprised to find there is actually a small conservative faction of Bogleheads who set up a private forum to discuss articles and posts from a more conservative point of view. Nor would I be surprised hat there is a far left subforum that does analogous things among who share a similar worldview. As I said, almost every forum I have been in is like this. It is just a bit harder to discern the sentiments of BogleHead members because of the posting guidelines. But people tend to gravitate toward their own in most circumstances and that is where the more interesting conversations tend to take place.

At any rate I hope someone found some value in this wandering perspective.
I'm a lot more optimistic about the benefits of the moderation and forum policies here. Every once in while I get a glimpse or hint of the broader social/cultural/political worldview of some of the commenters here and am reminded of the vast differences among participants that might very quickly become antagonistic in more typical forums.

Here there is a space carved out for productive conversation about a set of interesting and valuable topics, and all that matters is what people have to offer to the discussion. Yes, the boundaries leave lots of very interesting territory off limits, and I'm sure there are lots of forum members whose commentary I would enjoy on a wider range of topics.

But, the perfect is the enemy of the good, and I think this is pretty good.

Also, I disagree on one point:
But people tend to gravitate toward their own in most circumstances and that is where the more interesting conversations tend to take place.
I think the most interesting conversations take place when people engage with those who have very contrasting and challenging views and a civil and productive means of discussing them (like this forum).

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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by S&L1940 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:19 am

dewey wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 1:12 pm
“The measure of an education is that you acquire some idea of the extent of your ignorance.” Christopher Hitchens
Five pages of comments and up pops Christopher Hitchens.
Now things are getting interesting
Even after he is gone he can still inject some sense into a conversation...
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Post by Uncle Pennybags » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:26 am

skjoldur wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:31 am
I think the most interesting conversations take place when people engage with those who have very contrasting and challenging views and a civil and productive means of discussing them (like this forum).
When it comes to religion or politics people's minds are made up. Add in the anonymity of an online forum and it never ends well. I used to crunch numbers for SETI@home but the political views made me pull the plug. It is best to stick to what the forum is about, boring as it may be.

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Post by Miriam2 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:01 pm

skjoldur wrote: I think the most interesting conversations take place when people engage with those who have very contrasting and challenging views and a civil and productive means of discussing them (like this forum).
Yes, I agree. We receive extremely helpful information and suggestions on all things financial without political, etc. baggage getting in the way.

Where else can we talk nonstop 24/7 about all things financial?? With our family :mrgreen: with our friends :shock: with our co-workers :oops:

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Post by arcticpineapplecorp. » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:47 pm

I'm amazed this thread has gone on for 5 pages. I would have never expected that in a million years. Nor that the thread wouldn't be locked before 5 pages. Is this thread even actionable?

Goes to show how poor we can be at making predictions. Can anyone think of some reasons why this thread might be going on so long?

Is it nothing more than plain old defensiveness? As in, we'll prove you're wrong. Let me go on for five pages to show you just how interesting we can be?
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Post by S&L1940 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:56 pm

arcticpineapplecorp. wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:47 pm
Is it nothing more than plain old defensiveness? As in, we'll prove you're wrong. Let me go on for five pages to show you just how interesting we can be?
Or, maybe to confirm the point and show how uninteresting we can get?
My prediction, we have 3-4 more pages to go
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Post by ResearchMed » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:57 pm

arcticpineapplecorp. wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:47 pm
I'm amazed this thread has gone on for 5 pages. I would have never expected that in a million years. Nor that the thread wouldn't be locked before 5 pages. Is this thread even actionable?

Goes to show how poor we can be at making predictions. Can anyone think of some reasons why this thread might be going on so long?

Is it nothing more than plain old defensiveness? As in, we'll prove you're wrong. Let me go on for five pages to show you just how interesting we can be?
See.... it is just absolutely fascinating that you are responding that way.

Amazing!! :shock:

No wonder we all flock to this thread with such anticipation! :D

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Post by Mel Lindauer » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:01 pm

Wildebeest wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:40 pm
chinto wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:09 pm
Over the years I have been fairly active in a number of forums. Here, I lurked for 7-9 years before posting. There was a reason for that. The way the forum is run, it simply is not conducive to people getting to know one another and bonding at a more personal level; that is fine, it is not a criticism, it is an observation. Also the forum seems heavily skewed to a certain perspective that has nothing to do with BogleHead principles so the posters tend to be cut from a similar fabric in world outlook that likely dissuades many from commentary. I finally posted when I had a circumstance that allowed a chance to leverage the vast knowledge of the community. And that appears to be the focus and purpose of the forum, not fellowship and camaraderie. And I’ll likely soon cease posting simply because I have determined my viewpoints are so far outside the conventional perspective of most BogleHead posters that there is almost constant contention. As it is I quickly delete a number of my own postings. When you find yourself self-moderating that often, it is sign the forum is not the correct fit for the individual. And I say that as someone who had moderated a number of forums.

As an aside, in almost every forum I have ever been in there usually are hidden, private subforums run by various factions who invite each other to privately chat on topics with like-minded folks. Sort of mutual admiration society, but ones that are fun and filed with camaraderie as they pick apart the fine points of distinction between people who agree on the majority of things.

Hence I would not be surprised to find there is actually a small conservative faction of Bogleheads who set up a private forum to discuss articles and posts from a more conservative point of view. Nor would I be surprised hat there is a far left subforum that does analogous things among who share a similar worldview. As I said, almost every forum I have been in is like this. It is just a bit harder to discern the sentiments of BogleHead members because of the posting guidelines. But people tend to gravitate toward their own in most circumstances and that is where the more interesting conversations tend to take place.

At any rate I hope someone found some value in this wandering perspective.
Interesting post.

It would never occurred to me to delete my own posts.

It never occurred to me there may be a small conservative faction as well a far left subforum at Bogleheads.

Who knew?
I can assure you that there are no such sub-forums here at Bogleheads.
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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by indexonlyplease » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:14 pm

I think this post is way wrong. WHY? To invest propery you constantly need to be reminded why you invest this way. Someone may read something and then think they found a better way to invest. But then they come here and are reminded how the Bogleheads invest. Then they continue to invest the Bogle way. (this is me for sure). And constantly asking the same questions with the same answers. That is great. And no one here has anything to sell you, just help you. In the long run you keep seeing the names of people you trust when they reply to your post or someone else.

I always here dieting is like investing, you know what you need to do but you keep looking for short cuts. Example, I workout 5 days a week. Friends of mine that rarely go to the gym meet every Wenday for 5 guy burgers. I know I can go there to meet them once a week but I don't. That would destroy my diet and time in gym. That would be my tilt to burgers but I don't want to go there.

So, the Bogleheads keep on reminding me why I invest this way. And I thank you. You remind me many times when I ask the same questions in different forms. Where else can you read an investment book and ask question. You know the people here already read the book and you were late to the game.

So again Thank You and lets keep doing it. And then do it again. The best I like is that young people that are on the site will retire very wealthy like my son. Why because he is learning but has the advantage of a dad that learned a little something about investing and passing it onto him.
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Post by Uncle Pennybags » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:28 pm

arcticpineapplecorp. wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:47 pm
Can anyone think of some reasons why this thread might be going on so long?
Because it is one of the few interesting topics perhaps.

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Post by S&L1940 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:45 pm

indexonlyplease wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:14 pm

I always here dieting is like investing, you know what you need to do but you keep looking for short cuts. Example, I workout 5 days a week. Friends of mine that rarely go to the gym meet every Wenday for 5 guy burgers. I know I can go there to meet them once a week but I don't. That would destroy my diet and time in gym. That would be my tilt to burgers but I don't want to go there.
Yeah. But. You left out the fact that your friends are doing as well as you are shape-wise...
I too diligently work out, walk, swim, bike ride and still barely keep up with the guys that sit poolside and play gin all day.
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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by tim1999 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:57 pm

Whenever I read one of those posts from someone from California saying "I'm 35 years old, earn $400k/yr and am worth $5 million, am I doing OK?" I get turned off and avoid the forum for awhile. It seems like there have been more of those recently.

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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by arcticpineapplecorp. » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:15 pm

tim1999 wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:57 pm
Whenever I read one of those posts from someone from California saying "I'm 35 years old, earn $400k/yr and am worth $5 million, am I doing OK?" I get turned off and avoid the forum for awhile. It seems like there have been more of those recently.
I tend to agree with you but then I'm reminded of Johnny Depp. Even people with money need help figuring out what to do with it.

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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by chinto » Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:06 pm

skjoldur wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:31 am

I think the most interesting conversations take place when people engage with those who have very contrasting and challenging views and a civil and productive means of discussing them (like this forum).
I agree, if the ever takes place, but most people do not debate points and logic, they usually fall into a illogical, name calling, flame war with neither side truly listening to the other. Hence, in like minded company, there tends to be a bit more debate, although it may to be as compelling. In addition in like minded company, the wall flowers, so to speak, are more likely to chime in, they tend to have very valuable information and are for uncomfortable articulating it, especially in the presence of confrontational others.

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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by Fallible » Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:16 pm

Miriam2 wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:01 pm
skjoldur wrote: I think the most interesting conversations take place when people engage with those who have very contrasting and challenging views and a civil and productive means of discussing them (like this forum).
Yes, I agree. We receive extremely helpful information and suggestions on all things financial without political, etc. baggage getting in the way.

Where else can we talk nonstop 24/7 about all things financial?? With our family :mrgreen: with our friends :shock: with our co-workers :oops:
Agree with both posters here. We can have diverse - and interesting - opinions on this forum because we have the policies and moderators to keep discussions civil and on topic.

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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by Wildebeest » Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:21 pm

My vote is that Bogleheads is getting less interesting.

It may be that I have Bogleheads fatigue:
How many threads can one read about tilting or not tilting. The stock market cresting and not being able to sleep at night if the market might go down or goes down. Humblebrag of people wanting to know if they can retire with millions saved.
Another thread about buying a million dollar house in San Francisco, Seattle, LA etc.

I still scan for interesting topics (bobcats, coyotes, deer and trees and anything Simplegift posts) but I see less and open fewer threads.
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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by Grt2bOutdoors » Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:34 pm

tim1999 wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:57 pm
Whenever I read one of those posts from someone from California saying "I'm 35 years old, earn $400k/yr and am worth $5 million, am I doing OK?" I get turned off and avoid the forum for awhile. It seems like there have been more of those recently.
The solution is not to respond. You have a choice. I believe some of those posts are trolls.
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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by LadyGeek » Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:37 pm

To the experts: The best way to learn something is to try and teach it. Instead of reading "mundane" topics, take on a challenge. Pick a new investor asking for help in the Investing - Help with Personal Investments forum and make it your personal project to get them going.

Alternatively, the wiki is always in need of updating. If you find an article with out-of-date information, become a wiki editor and fix it yourself. Members who'd like to edit the wiki can PM me with their request. (I'm a wiki admin.)
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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by Uncle Pennybags » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:25 pm

Wildebeest wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:21 pm
Another thread about buying a million dollar house in San Francisco...
I find those interesting. I'm shocked what they pay to live in an inner city. It's a new money bubble ready to burst.
Grt2bOutdoors wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:34 pm
I believe some of those posts are trolls.
Do you think?

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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by StevieG72 » Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:00 am

Hang in there, the holidays are around the corner.

I imagine someone will want a nice watch for themselves or to gift!
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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by indexonlyplease » Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:17 am

Just fixed my post from deathly to wealthy.

Wow, I need to remember to proof read.

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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by Raymond » Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:08 am

Mel Lindauer wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:01 pm
Wildebeest wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:40 pm
chinto wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:09 pm
Over the years I have been fairly active in a number of forums...
Interesting post.

It would never occurred to me to delete my own posts.

It never occurred to me there may be a small conservative faction as well a far left subforum at Bogleheads.

Who knew?
I can assure you that there are no such sub-forums here at Bogleheads.
Mel is being kind - *everyone* on Bogleheads is actually on the triple secret decoder ring sub-forum (sponsored by Edward Jones and Northwestern Mutual), *except* chinto and Wildebeest :D
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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by jazman12 » Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:41 am

:happy
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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by LarryAllen » Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:50 am

I have felt similar happen with other sites I frequent. I think it's often that you become the expert and the threads repeat and thus it gets less interesting.

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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by Uncle Pennybags » Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:39 pm

Perhaps a wealth building, stock picking contest would liven things up. :twisted:

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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by VictoriaF » Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:44 pm

A long-term Bogleheads member Mr. Dow Jones, together with his standard and poor collaborators, is taking care today of making the Forum more exciting.

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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by GoldenFinch » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:06 pm

Wildebeest wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:21 pm
My vote is that Bogleheads is getting less interesting.

...

I still scan for interesting topics (bobcats, coyotes, deer and trees and anything Simplegift posts) but I see less and open fewer threads.
Interesting and kind of funny coming from a Boglehead named Wildebeest. :happy

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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by wilson08 » Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:34 pm

To answer the original question:
No!
The forum is getting better as time goes on.

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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by tavore » Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:38 pm

CABob wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:52 pm
tavore wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:17 pm
I'm mostly here when the "Stocks in Freefall" thread pops back. :twisted: That's never boring.
Are you like me and click that message before I realize that it is a thread that was started four years ago? :confused :confused
Heh ... not anymore. Maybe the first time when I joined Bogleheads a few years ago. Now that my financial planning is on cruise-control thanks to all that I learned here, I only come over when the thread is likely to pop up again.
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Post by itstoomuch » Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:46 pm

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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by gkaplan » Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:57 pm

jazman12 wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:41 am
:happy
Uncle Pennybags wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2017 4:31 pm
LadyGeek wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2017 4:24 pm

The wiki has some background info: The Bogleheads®
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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by VictoriaF » Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:00 pm

gkaplan wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:57 pm
Am I imagining it, or is that Tiger Woods in the photograph (seventh row up, second from the left)?
No, that's someone else. Tiger Woods is only lurking here.

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Re: [Are the Bogleheads] getting less interesting?

Post by digarei » Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:19 pm

gkaplan wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:57 pm

Am I imagining it, or is that Tiger Woods in the photograph (seventh row up, second from the left)?
Yes! That is the (in)famous champion golfer, Tiger Woods.

Or maybe someone else?: female; twenty years younger; prime candidate to lose a Tiger Woods lookalike contest.

Check those glasses! :shock:
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