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we need an individual stock sub forum

Post by panchilly » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:04 pm

I consider myself a partial boglehead.

Like many on this forum, the bulk of my money is tied up into index funds (70-80% of it) but I actively manage the rest. I think it would be great for the community if we had an individual stock sub-forum.

Thoughts?

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Re: we need an individual stock sub forum

Post by mortfree » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:12 pm

are you trying to prevent the full on BHers from commenting on individual stock threads?

I don't think a subforum will stop them...

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Post by Jack FFR1846 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:24 pm

A simple redirect to r/wallstreetbets would do the trick.
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Post by Grt2bOutdoors » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:30 pm

Perhaps you fail to notice the big blue banner, it says: Bogleheads.org; Investing Advice Inspired by John Bogle.

I've read a couple of John Bogle's books, no where does it espouse speculating in individual stocks. If you want stock forum - plenty of places to go, but this place is a refuge from the sea of sharks that frequent those other forums with tips and advice that is offered with the intent of parting one from their hard earned dollars.
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Post by lazyday » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:31 pm

http://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax. ... ent-ideas/ is pretty good.

Picking stocks based on their merits is not a very Boglehead pastime.

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Post by bloom2708 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:33 pm

Grt2bOutdoors wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:30 pm
Perhaps you fail to notice the big blue banner, it says: Bogleheads.org; Investing Advice Inspired by John Bogle.

I've read a couple of John Bogle's books, no where does it espouse speculating in individual stocks. If you want stock forum - plenty of places to go, but this place is a refuge from the sea of sharks that frequent those other forums with tips and advice that is offered with the intent of parting one from their hard earned dollars.
+1

Well said.

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Post by livesoft » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:39 pm

I think many readers do not access bogleheads.org by forum, thus they would not be able to "unsee" the thread titles of an individual stock subforum. OTOH, there are plenty of stock forums on the internet already, so folks who want such camaraderie can go to them and say "We need a passively-managed index fund subforum."
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Post by alex_686 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:40 pm

While I don't think a individual stock sub forum is what Bogleheads needs, I am open to hear arguments. I enjoy that Bogleheads is more focused on the big picture portfolio construction rather finer grade details of individual stocks. Investing is an applied art. I am interested in the theory, I am interested in the applied applications.
Grt2bOutdoors wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:30 pm
Perhaps you fail to notice the big blue banner, it says: Bogleheads.org; Investing Advice Inspired by John Bogle.

I've read a couple of John Bogle's books, no where does it espouse speculating in individual stocks.
A minor rebuke, but this is not an argument, it is a statement of dogma. If you want to cite Bogle's arguments I don't have a problem with that. But we should base our decisions up logic, not a personality.

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Re: we need an individual stock sub forum

Post by Alexa9 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:45 pm

I think we need Bitcoin, REIT, Whole Life Insurance, Edward Jones, and Gold subforums as well. Could call it the Wasteland subsection. :mrgreen: not srs

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Post by heyyou » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:46 pm

On this topic, that "we" does not include me, but my slice and dice portfolio is also out of step with the TSM advocates.

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Post by Khanmots » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:53 pm

Few thoughts.

1) When I want to learn I go to where the experts are. When I came to the conclusion that index investing was the correct play I hunted until a found a forum focused on that. I've learned a lot here since! That said, Bogleheads for the most part are not experts on investing in individual stocks. Much as I love this forum, if I wanted to play with actively managing some portion of my assets I'd look for a community knowledgeable in that.

2) I don't read forum-by-forum, the selfish part of me doesn't want to have my thread list cluttered with stuff that doesn't mesh with the investment philosophy of the rest of this community.

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Post by GibsonL6s » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:59 pm

I am a newbie here and do occasionally buy stocks but don't think there should be a stocks sub-forum. Years ago I was a member of a bodyweight exercise group where the moderator was against weightlifting. It got old having people constantly bringing up an alternative to what he wanted to focus on with a constant undertone of this also may be valid or better. If one wishes to buy stocks they should do so.

I also find it a bit funny that someone would want advice on investing in stocks from people who generally don't have an interest in investing in them.

For the record I hate the game of golf and I am terrible at it, but I am happy to give anyone advice on their swing 8-)

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Post by fishandgolf » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:07 pm

:?: :?: Actually, what I would like to see is a sub-forum that would dispense hot latte, a bold espresso or frothy cappuccino....perhaps with a skosh of Irish Whiskey.... :D I have a bum leg right now and it pains me to stretch out to grab the walker. Then.....on my return trip to the recliner....I always manage to spill a nip..... :(

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Post by Tyler Aspect » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:18 pm

Having a stock sub-forum would greatly increase the amount of noise that each volunteers of Bogleheads would have to deal with. These are distractions that reduce our effectiveness since technically we do not have much to add other than undiversified investment - avoid, etc. Long arguments are non-effective and takes up moderators' precious time.
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Post by TheDDC » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:19 pm

Alexa9 wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:45 pm
I think we need Bitcoin, REIT, Whole Life Insurance, Edward Jones, and Gold subforums as well. Could call it the Wasteland subsection. :mrgreen: not srs
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Post by onourway » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:20 pm

Having an individual stock forum would greatly increase the amount of noise that members need to tune out. Not appropriate for this domain.

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Post by Pajamas » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:30 pm

I disagree wholeheartedly as it would distract from the primary purpose of this website and even work against it. There are already too many threads that stray too far, in my opinion. I have seen what loss of focus has done to some other forums.

There is no shortage of forums on the internet in which to discuss individual stocks, for those who are interested in that. This will never be the best place or even a very good one to discuss individual stocks because of the inherent conflict with the consensus view.

I do hold many individual stocks myself and enjoy discussing them, but that is not what I come here for. I even think that it would be wise to curtail slightly the types of discussions allowed here already in order to maintain focus and preserve and improve the usefulness of the forums for people interested in the Boglehead approach to investing.

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Re: we need an individual stock sub forum

Post by munemaker » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:33 pm

panchilly wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:04 pm
I consider myself a partial boglehead.

Like many on this forum, the bulk of my money is tied up into index funds (70-80% of it) but I actively manage the rest. I think it would be great for the community if we had an individual stock sub-forum.

Thoughts?
You would be better off ditching the individual stocks and going 100% with index funds. That would be better than encouraging others to engage in questionable practices.

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Post by DaftInvestor » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:36 pm

bloom2708 wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:33 pm
Grt2bOutdoors wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:30 pm
Perhaps you fail to notice the big blue banner, it says: Bogleheads.org; Investing Advice Inspired by John Bogle.

I've read a couple of John Bogle's books, no where does it espouse speculating in individual stocks. If you want stock forum - plenty of places to go, but this place is a refuge from the sea of sharks that frequent those other forums with tips and advice that is offered with the intent of parting one from their hard earned dollars.
+1

Well said.

Find a sub Reddit that matches your interest. "These are not the droids you are looking for..."
My thought exactly. Picking individual stocks goes completely against "Investing Advice Inspired by John Bogle" and therefore a subforum dedicated to it just doesn't belong here. There are plenty of other places to go....

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Re: we need an individual stock sub forum

Post by CantPassAgain » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:37 pm

Pajamas wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:30 pm
I disagree wholeheartedly as it would distract from the primary purpose of this website and even work against it. There are already too many threads that stray too far, in my opinion. I have seen what loss of focus has done to some other forums.

There is no shortage of forums on the internet in which to discuss individual stocks, for those who are interested in that. This will never be the best place or even a very good one to discuss individual stocks because of the inherent conflict with the consensus view.

I do hold many individual stocks myself and enjoy discussing them, but that is not what I come here for. I even think that it would be wise to curtail slightly the types of discussions allowed here already in order to maintain focus and preserve and improve the usefulness of the forums for people interested in the Boglehead approach to investing.
Agreed.

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Post by pennstater2005 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:40 pm

I’m sure the moderators would love to add a sub forum. It’s been slow around here lately so it would give them something to do.
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Post by Nate79 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:41 pm

Um, no. Not sure why we need an individual stock subforum when that is completely against BH recommendation.

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Post by David Jay » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:44 pm

TheDDC wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:19 pm
Alexa9 wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:45 pm
I think we need Bitcoin, REIT, Whole Life Insurance, Edward Jones, and Gold subforums as well. Could call it the Wasteland subsection. :mrgreen: not srs
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Post by JMacDonald » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:44 pm

Check out Morningstar for a forum that might meet your needs:
http://socialize.morningstar.com/NewSoc ... fault.aspx
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Re: we need an individual stock sub forum

Post by bloom2708 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:47 pm

Samples:

Got an itch to buy Amazon today? Buy more Total US Stock index

Got a hankering to buy Facebook today? Buy more Total US Stock index

Got a feeling about Nestle today? Buy more Total International Stock index

Friend told you to buy Samsung today? Buy more Total International Stock index

Co-workers all talking about Novartis AG and how great a buy it is? Buy more Total International Stock index.

repeat. :wink:
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Post by prudent » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:34 pm

Topic moved to Forum Issues and Administration.

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Post by Agggm » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:36 pm

Alexa9 wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:45 pm
I think we need Bitcoin, REIT, Whole Life Insurance, Edward Jones, and Gold subforums as well. Could call it the Wasteland subsection. :mrgreen: not srs
lol

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Post by john4546 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:36 pm

No, we don't.

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Post by destinationnc » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:38 pm

My vote is no.

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Post by ray.james » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:46 pm

panchilly,

That is against the mission of the bogleheads, moderators, site owners and the non-profit that backs it partially.

just my view: In the past threads like people holding huge individual stocks and contemplating what to do with gains, are usually the case for individual stock discussions came into picture and that was fine. Recent threads are a huge distraction to the mission(redfin, tripadvisor, GE). There are numerous financial forums across the net that cater to this and I have spent my fair share of time in them before I became a 4 fund Indexer. I can go there to take my itch off, if that is needed.
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Post by wolf359 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:55 pm

While we're setting up the individual stock subforum, we should also put up forums for actively traded mutual funds, a marketplace for universal life insurance policies, non-traded REITs, leveraged ETFs, commodities, day-trading, and options strategies. :oops:

All these things are actually counter to this forum's investment philosophy. There are better dedicated forums for those things, and they probably have a friendlier audience.

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Post by LadyGeek » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:01 pm

The consensus is "No".

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