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Your destructive actions of tonight, hijacking a dozen accounts so you could flood the board with your nonsense goes too far. This is your final warning. If you do not leave this site and our members alone, I will be forced to move ahead with a civil law suit against you. You will be unable to remain anonymous. We have logged all your entries to this site from before you started regularly using anonymizing services. With this information and a court order, your ISP will turn over your personal information. This will then allow us to also file criminal complaints against you for your ongoing hack attempts on the site and for stealing our members' account information. If counsel agrees, we'll also be able to notify the IRS about your posts under various user names in which you admitted to (in a couple of cases, bragged about) hiding your income.

This is not a bluff. You can bow out now and nothing more will happen, I'll even leave your precious thread up. If you do not, I will start seeking legal counsel on Tuesday.

To our members. I'm prepared to pay the initial costs of this out of my pocket. But I may have to turn to you to and ask for donations to sustain it. I'm sorry about this, but there appears to be no other way to deal with this person.
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I'd contribute for that.
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I'm in also. :moneybag
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I'm in also
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I usually hate me too posts, but in this case... Me too.

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Default User BR wrote:I'd contribute for that.
+1

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I am in!
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Yes, I'm in.
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Alex:

You have my support. Just ask.

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Can we get the kick starter going now just to prove to the troll how little he is wanted here???
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I would be happy to contribute.
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I don't think I have seen any posts from this person.
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I will be glad to contribute
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Count me in too!
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Muchtolearn wrote:I don't think I have seen any posts from this person.
You could have missed his posts for several reasons. First, he hijacks members accounts in order to post. Also Alex is fast on taking down his posts. Yesterday, I was going to comment on one of his post, but it had been removed before I could post. This guy is out of control. Alex needs our support to stop his disruptions of this forum. I will be glad to contribute to be rid of this guy.
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Count on me to help take out the trash.

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Wow, Alex you sure do have an active imagination. Fortunately you will not find my name with any court subpoena. So if you and the others want to waste your money punishing innocent people with costly litigation then be my guest.

I, however, suggest that for once you do what will actually works, which is to unlock the thread and sticky it so there is at least one oasis of honesty on this site. When you left the thread alone I left you alone...so why are you making this so difficult?
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xenopus wrote:Wow, Alex you sure do have an active imagination. Fortunately you will not find my name with any court subpoena. So if you and the others want to waste your money punishing innocent people with costly litigation then be my guest.

I, however, suggest that for once you do what will actually works, which is to unlock the thread and sticky it so there is at least one oasis of honesty on this site. When you left the thread alone I left you alone...so why are you making this so difficult?
This is a good example of this troll hijacking someone else's account.
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Please quit it hijackerman, this is getting creepy.
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Alex, I made my annual donation today supporting this site via the "support this site' link, albeit small, I will add more as necessary.
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xenopus wrote:Fortunately you will not find my name with any court subpoena.
I hope the above is incorrect.
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Muchtolearn wrote:I don't think I have seen any posts from this person.
For those who are unaware of the hijacker/troll, I'd say your lucky.
Last nights attack was infuriating. At first it was amusing how the troll would post and then Alex would quickly take it down. This happened over and over again until it was no longer amusing. Then the troll bombarded the forum with post after post after post... until my entire computer screen was virtually filled with his nonsense. This went on for sometime and then the site went down, at least for me. I was unable to get to Bogleheads. Now I know this site is not a matter of life and death, but losing the site because of a troll is simply unacceptable. If the outage had anything to do with the troll I am furious.
I simply hope he can be stopped. Obviously this is someone with a serious mental illness.

Edit to add: Kudos to Alex and all the staff/moderators for dealing with this crazy person. Apparently this has been escalating for years.
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I, however, suggest that for once you do what will actually works, which is to unlock the thread and sticky it so there is at least one oasis of honesty on this site. When you left the thread alone I left you alone...so why are you making this so difficult?
Probably because Alex doesn't negotiate with terrorists.
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Alex, I enjoy a good pile on, so if you need help, just ask.
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JMacDonald wrote:This is a good example of this troll hijacking someone else's account.
Can someone explain how this person manages to hijack other users' accounts?
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They run password buster programs and if you have some stupid simple password like password, qwerty, boglehead, they gain entry and post under that name. Short version.
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xenopus wrote:Wow, Alex you sure do have an active imagination. Fortunately you will not find my name with any court subpoena.
Really? Did you forget about your posts using cellular service?
I, however, suggest that for once you do what will actually works, which is to unlock the thread and sticky it so there is at least one oasis of honesty on this site. When you left the thread alone I left you alone...so why are you making this so difficult?
There is no point negotiating with someone with no honor. I did leave the thread alone. You are the one who broke your word and hijacked a new account to bump it. On a holiday weekend of all times. Did you think you would catch the moderators unawares? Or is that what bitter, lonely losers do in a pathetic attempt to get some attention when they see normal people out with their friends and family?

This is an advice forum, so I'm going to give you some. I also had a rough childhood which left me with some real issues forming positive relationships with other people. But time, help from some patient people, and a real effort on my part allowed me to work through it. You clearly have the intelligence and the perseverance to do it too. So instead of devoting thousands of hours to anonymously harassing people, get some counseling from a qualified mental health professional and then work on what they tell you. Believe me, relationships built on mutual affection are infinitely more satisfying than those based on mutual antagonism.
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I will contribute. :moneybag
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I saw this repeatedly the other day and was reminded of the old song "the cat came back" and of course the Canadian cartoon adaptation of the song. Always good to keep humor in mind when dealing with people like this.
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I will contribute.
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I'll contribute.
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I'll contribute toward legal costs.
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SteveB3005 wrote:They run password buster programs and if you have some stupid simple password like password, qwerty, boglehead, they gain entry and post under that name. Short version.
That's exactly right. Unfortunately it looks like the only long term solution is going to be to force people to change to long or complex passwords.
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Alex Frakt wrote: That's exactly right. Unfortunately it looks like the only long term solution is going to be to force people to change to long or complex passwords.
Nothing wrong with that. A lot of sites do that. Seems like a common requirement is: minimum 8 characters, minimum one small letter, minimum one capital letter, minimum one number.

Is there a way it could be set up so any account with a non-qualifying password could be required to change to a qualifying password before proceeding further?
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Alex.
Go get him if you feel you must. You have my support. I just sent you a paypal and will send more if/when needed.
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Same here. I am also OK with upgrading PW system.
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wjwhitney wrote:
Alex Frakt wrote: That's exactly right. Unfortunately it looks like the only long term solution is going to be to force people to change to long or complex passwords.
Nothing wrong with that. A lot of sites do that. Seems like a common requirement is: minimum 8 characters, minimum one small letter, minimum one capital letter, minimum one number.
Another trick that some sites are doing is to take the list of the top 100 (or 200 or whatever) most common passwords, and disallow them from being used.
It does not matter how slowly you go so long as you do not stop.
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What some sites do and what phpBB can do might be two entirely different things. I wonder if phpBB can reset the original email authorization requirement for accounts with weak passwords. That would seem to be the simplest solution, as long as people have the right email address listed. The troublesome user then wouldn't be able to post even if he did guess the account's password because he wouldn't have access to the email account to reauthorize the forum account.
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I'm in with support for legal action.
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So is Alex saying that the post he showed me from xenopus is a hijack? Meaning that there is a xenopus but the hijacker broke into his account and sent a message?

If so, that leads to 2 questions:
1.Why is he/she doing this? What possible gain is there?
2. Why are passwords at this site able to be obtained by a hacker? If it is a code that busts simple ones, I don't think we need complex ones, just normal type passwords that we all use that aren't qwerty, etc.
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Talk is cheap (or, at least cheaper than litigation), but I say file suit. I will contribute.
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Muchtolearn wrote:So is Alex saying that the post he showed me from xenopus is a hijack? Meaning that there is a xenopus but the hijacker broke into his account and sent a message?

If so, that leads to 2 questions:
1.Why is he/she doing this? What possible gain is there?
2. Why are passwords at this site able to be obtained by a hacker? If it is a code that busts simple ones, I don't think we need complex ones, just normal type passwords that we all use that aren't qwerty, etc.
My guesses at the answers to your questions:
1. He is doing it for the attention, or pleasure at manipulating others to do his bidding. I don't know the psychiatric diagnosis for his problem but it is clearly a mental problem.
2. My Understanding from another post by Alex regarding accounts being broken into, the passwords he has hacked have been simple words or phrases.

But I think there is more going on here, since last night he seemed to post endlessly with new accounts, to be precise accounts with only 2 posts. So could he be creating new accounts and somehow jumping the post count up to 2 to avoid controls on brand new accounts? I'm not technically skilled enough to answer that question but my significant other said it might be possible depending on the exact way the system works.
Edit to add: Of course the other possibility is he created these accounts weeks or months in advance in anticipation of this attack. And yes, I call his actions an attack.
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By the way, how do we go in to change our password?
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damjam wrote:
Muchtolearn wrote:
1. He is doing it for the attention, or pleasure at manipulating others to do his bidding. I don't know the psychiatric diagnosis for his problem but it is clearly a mental problem.
My guesses would be Narcissistic personality disorder
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001930/
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Antisocial Personality Disorder
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001919/

But that could only be confirmed by a licensed professional. Still, I think everyone could safely act "as if" it is one of these, in which case the best way to deal with these behaviors is to ignore him. In either case, if his goal is to elicit a reaction, the best medicine is to not provide one. Important to note, people with these disorders do not often change because they are "externalizers" meaning they do not take responsibility for their actions, but instead blame others for the way things are. You will not get him to change, reason with him, etc. People with personality disorders do not succeed with "insight" therapy and often will refuse therapy, except under duress (court order, threat of divorce, etc), which as you can guess, is not conducive to real and lasting change.

In short, don't respond to him (take legal action if you feel necessary), but do not ENGAGE him. This only encourages him further and gives him what he wants. Why would we want that? Good luck every one on taking the higher ground! This is an illness. He does not understand or take responsibility for that, but we can learn how to deal with him in ways that do not stress ourselves out. In that way, we do not allow him to control us. That could be the best we could hope for (aside from legal action).
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Alex and Larry:

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Alex Frakt wrote:
SteveB3005 wrote:They run password buster programs and if you have some stupid simple password like password, qwerty, boglehead, they gain entry and post under that name. Short version.
That's exactly right. Unfortunately it looks like the only long term solution is going to be to force people to change to long or complex passwords.
What is the maximum length password you can use here?
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Jerilynn wrote:What is the maximum length password you can use here?
100 Characters.
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Muchtolearn wrote: 1.Why is he/she doing this? What possible gain is there?
Dunno. Why do some people spend (waste) their time writing viruses?
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Pacific wrote:By the way, how do we go in to change our password?
Click on "User Control Panel" - upper left of screen
Click on "Profile"
Click on "Edit Account Settings"
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Alex Frakt wrote:
SteveB3005 wrote:They run password buster programs and if you have some stupid simple password like password, qwerty, boglehead, they gain entry and post under that name. Short version.
That's exactly right. Unfortunately it looks like the only long term solution is going to be to force people to change to long or complex passwords.
It's fairly simple to do this.
Just require 12+ char passwords with at least one each of:
1) lower case letter
2) upper case letter
3) numeral
4) special character

Lady Geek can probably help implement this.
PWB will be crying in his beer after we do this...
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