IRS PIN for the taxation year 2024 [Available Again 1/6/2025]

student · Post by **student** » Mon Jan 06, 2025 6:48 am

In the past, there were discussions about the timing of receiving the IRS PIN. I received a notification via email today to log on to the account for an IRS notice. Gave me a big scare before I realized what it could be about. Logged on and saw that it was indeed the IRS pin.

EagertoLearnMore · Post by **EagertoLearnMore** » Mon Jan 06, 2025 6:54 am

Thanks for heads up. I just tried and got the message that the IRS IP PIN site was down for maintenance until January 6. Perhaps it's too early in the morning for the site to be working, or maybe it's a snow day in Washington, DC.

obafgkm · Post by **obafgkm** » Mon Jan 06, 2025 7:33 am

In that vein, I remember for tax year 2023 I received my IRS PIN in the mail in a letter dated December 26, 2023. In previous years, I had been getting the PIN online when I logged into my IRS account.

That letter said I was getting the PIN because my "account login method on IRS.GOV ... is no longer valid" and I hadn't created an ID.Me account access method. As of today, I have not set up a ID.Me account access method. I waited because I figured by the end of 2024 login.gov would have been set up as another way to login, as I think was promised years ago. As far as I can tell, it has not.

I have not as yet received a PIN for tax year 2024 in the mail. My questions:

Can I expect to receive a PIN in the mail again for tax year 2024?
Is login.gov ever going to be set up as a method to login to IRS accounts?

student · Post by **student** » Mon Jan 06, 2025 8:02 am

obafgkm wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2025 7:33 am In that vein, I remember for tax year 2023 I received my IRS PIN in the mail in a letter dated December 26, 2023. In previous years, I had been getting the PIN online when I logged into my IRS account.

That letter said I was getting the PIN because my "account login method on IRS.GOV ... is no longer valid" and I hadn't created an ID.Me account access method. As of today, I have not set up a ID.Me account access method. I waited because I figured by the end of 2024 login.gov would have been set up as another way to login, as I think was promised years ago. As far as I can tell, it has not.

I have not as yet received a PIN for tax year 2024 in the mail. My questions:

Can I expect to receive a PIN in the mail again for tax year 2024?

Is login.gov ever going to be set up as a method to login to IRS accounts?

It seems that ID.Me is very popular, so I finally decided to set up such an account, and the process was satisfactory.

EagertoLearnMore · Post by **EagertoLearnMore** » Mon Jan 06, 2025 8:02 am

IP PIN now available on IRS website.

wander · Post by **wander** » Mon Jan 06, 2025 9:53 am

I regret that I requested IRS PIN for filing tax. My efile was rejected several times until I got it right last year. Not sure about you, now I do not remember how I got it working last time; time is a mystery.

sycamore · Post by **sycamore** » Mon Jan 06, 2025 11:06 am

wander wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2025 9:53 am I regret that I requested IRS PIN for filing tax. My efile was rejected several times until I got it right last year. Not sure about you, now I do not remember how I got it working last time; time is a mystery.

In my time as a volunteer tax preparer with Tax-Aide, we get several people every year who forget they have an IP PIN. We ask every person about it, but some don't realize it's a new PIN every year or they didn't bother to read the IRS message. So their e-file returns get rejected. A volunteer has to call and explain what's going on, wait for the taxpayer to retrieve the IP PIN (often difficult due to being unfamiliar with the task), and finally re-file.

Getting an IP PIN is worth it for some people, probably for most who do so. But a few people end up worse off in terms of time and energy spent.

If you get one, I recommend setting an annual reminder with a message like... "Hi <name>, early in January I expect to receive correspondence from the IRS about an IP PIN. Read it and take the appropriate action. Eventually use the IP PIN to e-file. Otherwise some dude on Bogleheads will say 'I told you so.' Best wishes to my future self."

LFT_PFT · Post by **LFT_PFT** » Mon Jan 06, 2025 11:31 am

obafgkm wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2025 7:33 am In that vein, I remember for tax year 2023 I received my IRS PIN in the mail in a letter dated December 26, 2023. In previous years, I had been getting the PIN online when I logged into my IRS account.

That letter said I was getting the PIN because my "account login method on IRS.GOV ... is no longer valid" and I hadn't created an ID.Me account access method. As of today, I have not set up a ID.Me account access method. I waited because I figured by the end of 2024 login.gov would have been set up as another way to login, as I think was promised years ago. As far as I can tell, it has not.

I have not as yet received a PIN for tax year 2024 in the mail. My questions:

Can I expect to receive a PIN in the mail again for tax year 2024?

Is login.gov ever going to be set up as a method to login to IRS accounts?

I am in the same situation. Will we receive a letter in the mail with PIN again for tax year 2024?

intendi · Post by **intendi** » Mon Jan 06, 2025 11:37 am

Thank you for the reminder.

It's found under the "profile" section (for those like me who forget where it is on a yearly basis).

GS · Post by GS » Mon Jan 06, 2025 1:37 pm

Can you make an IRS Online Account and then get a PIN online or do you have to let them mail you one?

LSLover · Post by **LSLover** » Mon Jan 06, 2025 2:47 pm

GS wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2025 1:37 pm Can you make an IRS Online Account and then get a PIN online or do you have to let them mail you one?

That’s how I get my IP PIN every year.

shelterinplace · Post by **shelterinplace** » Mon Jan 06, 2025 2:59 pm

[Thread merged into here --admin LadyGeek]

The IRS IP PIN system was down for scheduled maintenance until today, 1/6/2025.

I can now apply for an Identity Protection PIN, but I have to create a new account with ID.Me.

I have concerns about facial recognition and giving my most personal information to a third party... and to the government as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHvPWJmW8c0

I also have concerns about ID.Me's verification process. Many have been unable to get verified.

Is facial recognition still required???

How are people feeling about ID.Me?

If I apply today for a PIN will it come in time for me to complete my 2024 taxes?

jebmke · Post by **jebmke** » Mon Jan 06, 2025 3:01 pm

shelterinplace wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2025 2:59 pm The IRS IP PIN system was down for scheduled maintenance until today, 1/6/2025.

I can now apply for an Identity Protection PIN, but I have to create a new account with ID.Me.

I have concerns about facial recognition and giving my most personal information to a third party... and to the government as well.

I also have concerns about ID.Me's verification process. Many have been unable to get verified.

How are people feeling about ID.Me?

If I apply today for a PIN will it come in time for me to complete my 2024 taxes?

I would think so; with an extension, your taxes aren't due until October 15.

Personally, I would not be concerned about given them your face. Most faces are probably already in Clearview's database by now.

What information are they asking for that the government probably doesn't already have (remember, Palantir is a government contractor and they have hoovered up all the data in the known universe).

stan1 · Post by **stan1** » Mon Jan 06, 2025 3:05 pm

I've accepted ID.me as a fact of life and have gone through their process to get it set up. I don't like it, but I want to have an IRS account and am not willing to forego one for the rest of my life. Set up process worked for me, I can't speak for others.

PersonalFinanceJam · Post by **PersonalFinanceJam** » Mon Jan 06, 2025 3:08 pm

There have been half a dozen or so threads on this topic here in recent memory. You can take a look at them to get an idea.

I somewhat understand not wanting to trust a third party but the government has your info and if you have a passport you sent them a picture of your face so I don't quite understand the thinking around that one.

All said and done I created the account and it was pretty easy.

jebmke · Post by **jebmke** » Mon Jan 06, 2025 3:10 pm

PersonalFinanceJam wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2025 3:08 pm There have been half a dozen or so threads on this topic here in recent memory. You can take a look at them to get an idea.

I somewhat understand not wanting to trust a third party but the government has your info and if you have a passport you sent them a picture of your face so I don't quite understand the thinking around that one.

All said and done I created the account and it was pretty easy.

and if you have entered the US through immigration, they have your picture -- often looking pretty beat up after a long international flight. It isn't pretty.

PaunchyPirate · Post by **PaunchyPirate** » Mon Jan 06, 2025 3:52 pm

GS wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2025 1:37 pm Can you make an IRS Online Account and then get a PIN online or do you have to let them mail you one?

Yes. From your online account, click on the "Profile" (or "My Profile") link at the top right of the screen. At the bottom of that page, you can enroll in PIN generation (for one year or ongoing years) and it will generate your first PIN to use this year. After that, you can return to the profile screen to see the current pin, in case you lost track of it.

j.click · Post by **j.click** » Mon Jan 06, 2025 4:21 pm

Every time I have flown the past year (domestic) TSA always uses facial recognition against my driver's license.

jebmke · Post by **jebmke** » Mon Jan 06, 2025 5:15 pm

j.click wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2025 4:21 pm Every time I have flown the past year (domestic) TSA always uses facial recognition against my driver's license.

You might enjoy (or not?) the book by Hill; fascinating but scary in a way.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/ ... re-to-hide

tj · Post by tj » Tue Jan 07, 2025 8:58 am

I logged in and don't see it. Where are you guys seeing it?

Nevermind...I found it under Your Profile.

beyou · Post by **beyou** » Wed Jan 08, 2025 12:35 am

Strange but I used to go online and request an IP pin each year, but this year it was already assigned to me.
Found it on Your Account / Profile as others had reported.
Not sure when they started assigning automatically.
I know that used to be the case if you reported ID theft, but I have never done so.

AAA · Post by **AAA** » Fri Jan 10, 2025 1:07 pm

shelterinplace wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2025 2:59 pm The IRS IP PIN system was down for scheduled maintenance until today, 1/6/2025.

I can now apply for an Identity Protection PIN, but I have to create a new account with ID.Me.

I've had a PIN for a couple of years now, so not trying to apply for one. But I'd like to get my PIN for 2024 taxes and just logged in again but don't find how to access it. Also, for 2023 taxes I was mailed a letter in late 2022 with the PIN, but so far have not received one for 2024 taxes.

Will I be receiving a letter for 2024 taxes? Is the PIN available on the IRS website?

Thanks.

ncdcpa · Post by **ncdcpa** » Fri Jan 10, 2025 1:19 pm

You can request an IP PIN without logging in. It may not be fun.
https://www.irs.gov/identity-theft-frau ... ection-pin
See also the linked FAQ.

Apparently. they don't normally mail you the PIN after the first time, but expect you to log on. If you cannot do that, they say you can call. See links above.

Eno Deb · Post by **Eno Deb** » Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:14 pm

obafgkm wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2025 7:33 am In that vein, I remember for tax year 2023 I received my IRS PIN in the mail in a letter dated December 26, 2023. In previous years, I had been getting the PIN online when I logged into my IRS account.

That letter said I was getting the PIN because my "account login method on IRS.GOV ... is no longer valid" and I hadn't created an ID.Me account access method. As of today, I have not set up a ID.Me account access method. I waited because I figured by the end of 2024 login.gov would have been set up as another way to login, as I think was promised years ago. As far as I can tell, it has not.

I have not as yet received a PIN for tax year 2024 in the mail. My questions:

Can I expect to receive a PIN in the mail again for tax year 2024?

Is login.gov ever going to be set up as a method to login to IRS accounts?

I have no insider information, but I'm in the same situation (still refuse to use ID.me) and last year received my PIN letter in the mail on January 20. I don't plan to file my taxes before March or so, so I'll just wait for now and hope they mail it again.

HereToLearn · Post by **HereToLearn** » Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:24 pm

beyou wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2025 12:35 am Strange but I used to go online and request an IP pin each year, but this year it was already assigned to me.
Found it on Your Account / Profile as others had reported.
Not sure when they started assigning automatically.
I know that used to be the case if you reported ID theft, but I have never done so.

Same!

NatureBoy · Post by **NatureBoy** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 7:36 am

HereToLearn wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:24 pm
beyou wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2025 12:35 am Strange but I used to go online and request an IP pin each year, but this year it was already assigned to me.
Found it on Your Account / Profile as others had reported.
Not sure when they started assigning automatically.
I know that used to be the case if you reported ID theft, but I have never done so.
Same!

I signed up this last week, for the first time, and was given the option to automatically assign in future years, which I selected. I printed it out for my tax folder, and saved it in my password manager, as it doesn't seem retrievable online after it's assigned. The "Identity Protection PIN" section of my profile says "You are eligible to enroll into the IP PIN Program."

PaunchyPirate · Post by **PaunchyPirate** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 7:50 am

AAA wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 1:07 pm
shelterinplace wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2025 2:59 pm The IRS IP PIN system was down for scheduled maintenance until today, 1/6/2025.

I can now apply for an Identity Protection PIN, but I have to create a new account with ID.Me.
I've had a PIN for a couple of years now, so not trying to apply for one. But I'd like to get my PIN for 2024 taxes and just logged in again but don't find how to access it. Also, for 2023 taxes I was mailed a letter in late 2022 with the PIN, but so far have not received one for 2024 taxes.

Will I be receiving a letter for 2024 taxes? Is the PIN available on the IRS website?

Thanks.

Your PIN can be found in your "Profile" on the IRS website. Look for the Profile link in the upper right corner of the screen after you sign in.
Edited to add: That's where I enrolled earlier this week and found the 2024 PIN it generated. However, today when I just went in to verify things, it no longer shows my 2024 PIN. Instead, it looks like it wants me to enroll again to get a PIN. Weird. I'm going to let it sit for a while before I try again.

PaunchyPirate · Post by **PaunchyPirate** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 7:56 am

NatureBoy wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 7:36 am
HereToLearn wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:24 pm

Same!
I signed up this last week, for the first time, and was given the option to automatically assign in future years, which I selected. I printed it out for my tax folder, and saved it in my password manager, as it doesn't seem retrievable online after it's assigned. The "Identity Protection PIN" section of my profile says "You are eligible to enroll into the IP PIN Program."

That's weird. But I am seeing the same thing. I signed up (for the first time) earlier this week and it generated the 2024 PIN for me and displayed it. Luckily, I stored it in my password manager as well. Because today, when I revisited my Profile to look at the PIN, it is gone and it looks like it wants me to enroll again. I'm going to let things sit for a while and see if the previously generated 2024 PIN comes back.

McDougal · Post by **McDougal** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 8:11 am

PaunchyPirate wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 7:56 am
NatureBoy wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 7:36 am I signed up this last week, for the first time, and was given the option to automatically assign in future years, which I selected. I printed it out for my tax folder, and saved it in my password manager, as it doesn't seem retrievable online after it's assigned. The "Identity Protection PIN" section of my profile says "You are eligible to enroll into the IP PIN Program."
That's weird. But I am seeing the same thing. I signed up (for the first time) earlier this week and it generated the 2024 PIN for me and displayed it. Luckily, I stored it in my password manager as well. Because today, when I revisited my Profile to look at the PIN, it is gone and it looks like it wants me to enroll again. I'm going to let things sit for a while and see if the previously generated 2024 PIN comes back.

Same for me but I'm sure the site is still somewat being updated. Lots of functions are temporarily unavailable to me. I suggest giving it a week or so.

AAA · Post by **AAA** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 8:15 am

PaunchyPirate wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 7:50 am Your PIN can be found in your "Profile" on the IRS website. Look for the Profile link in the upper right corner of the screen after you sign in.
Edited to add: That's where I enrolled earlier this week and found the 2024 PIN it generated. However, today when I just went in to verify things, it no longer shows my 2024 PIN. Instead, it looks like it wants me to enroll again to get a PIN. Weird. I'm going to let it sit for a while before I try again.

The link provided above by ncdcpa includes the following:

"The IP PIN is generally available in your online account starting in mid-January through mid-November."

So I guess I'l have to be more patient.

JayB · Post by **JayB** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 1:53 pm

PaunchyPirate wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 7:50 am
AAA wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 1:07 pm

I've had a PIN for a couple of years now, so not trying to apply for one. But I'd like to get my PIN for 2024 taxes and just logged in again but don't find how to access it. Also, for 2023 taxes I was mailed a letter in late 2022 with the PIN, but so far have not received one for 2024 taxes.

Will I be receiving a letter for 2024 taxes? Is the PIN available on the IRS website?

Thanks.
Your PIN can be found in your "Profile" on the IRS website. Look for the Profile link in the upper right corner of the screen after you sign in.
Edited to add: That's where I enrolled earlier this week and found the 2024 PIN it generated. However, today when I just went in to verify things, it no longer shows my 2024 PIN. Instead, it looks like it wants me to enroll again to get a PIN. Weird. I'm going to let it sit for a while before I try again.

I enrolled and obtained my IP PIN from the IRS site on January 6, 2025. The verbiage supplied with the PIN says:

This IP PIN must be used when filing any federal tax returns during the current year (2025), including prior year returns. (Example: It must be used if filing for tax year 2024, 2023, and 2022.)

So any PIN issued prior to 2025 is moot. I suggest simply enrolling again, getting your 2025 PIN, and use it to file your 2024 taxes.

turtlebug · Post by **turtlebug** » Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:02 pm

I just received my IP PIN # via US mail. It came one week earlier than it did last year.

AstroJohn · Post by **AstroJohn** » Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:58 pm

I download my PIN every year around this time. Just logged in to my account, went to profile, and the PIN was there. Same was true for my wife's PIN when she logged into her account. Strangely, when she logged in, the name on the account was mine, but as expected, the PIN was different. I suppose this is because we have always filed jointly.

anon_investor · Post by **anon_investor** » Tue Jan 14, 2025 3:34 pm

Thanks for the reminder. My spouse and I logged in today and did PDF printouts of our 2025 PINs. Glad my spouse took the time to make an ID.me account, didn't have one last year and had to hope the mailed one wasn't lost in the mail (or accidentally thrown out).

AAA · Post by **AAA** » Wed Jan 15, 2025 8:29 am

AstroJohn wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:58 pm I download my PIN every year around this time. Just logged in to my account, went to profile, and the PIN was there.

After reading this I tried it and it was there. I'm wondering if it was there all the previous times I logged in and didn't see any reference to it.

intendi · Post by **intendi** » Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:37 am

I'm trying to decide if I should help my 83 year old mom get a PIN. She can navigate the computer world fairly well but I'm wondering what happens down the road and she's unable to log in for whatever reason. I guess we just log in for her (she keeps an updated password log book) or just file via the mail that year.

cello · Post by **cello** » Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:54 am

For those who are expecting another IRS PIN # via mail. My mother received such a letter last December and we re-read it this past week. It said that it was a "one-time" notification via standard mail due to the fact that she hadn't set up an ID.me account yet. And that she should sign up for one. So, she isn't now expecting another pin # for 2024 taxes via letter this year. She assumes she has to sign up for an ID.me account.

turtlebug · Post by **turtlebug** » Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:57 am

cello wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:54 am For those who are expecting another IRS PIN # via mail. My mother received such a letter last December and we re-read it this past week. It said that it was a "one-time" notification via standard mail due to the fact that she hadn't set up an ID.me account yet. And that she should sign up for one. So, she isn't now expecting another pin # for 2024 taxes via letter this year. She assumes she has to sign up for an ID.me account.

I receive mine via US mail every year & I received the 2024 IRS PIN in the mail yesterday. I have not signed up for an ID.me account.

Post by **LadyGeek** » Wed Jan 15, 2025 7:27 pm

I merged shelterinplace's thread into the ongoing discussion. I also retitled the thread.

(Thanks to the member who reported the post and provided a link to this thread.)

Silk McCue · Post by **Silk McCue** » Wed Jan 15, 2025 7:34 pm

My 90 year old mother received her pin in the mail yesterday.

Cheers

RationalWalk · Post by **RationalWalk** » Wed Jan 15, 2025 10:07 pm

Stupid Question - but can you opt out of the PIN? I'd like to do that if possible. Otherwise, I guess my demented future self will never be able to file a tax return and same for my caregivers and heirs unless I put it in my advance directive and will and they can break the law by logging into the IRS website as me.

tj · Post by tj » Wed Jan 15, 2025 10:21 pm

RationalWalk wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 10:07 pm Stupid Question - but can you opt out of the PIN? I'd like to do that if possible. Otherwise, I guess my demented future self will never be able to file a tax return and same for my caregivers and heirs unless I put it in my advance directive and will and they can break the law by logging into the IRS website as me.

Yes. There's literally an opt out button when you are logged in and looking at your PIN. Can't miss it....

RationalWalk · Post by **RationalWalk** » Thu Jan 16, 2025 8:08 am

tj wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 10:21 pm
RationalWalk wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 10:07 pm Stupid Question - but can you opt out of the PIN? I'd like to do that if possible. Otherwise, I guess my demented future self will never be able to file a tax return and same for my caregivers and heirs unless I put it in my advance directive and will and they can break the law by logging into the IRS website as me.
Yes. There's literally an opt out button when you are logged in and looking at your PIN. Can't miss it....

Another question. If I opt out now should I still use the PIN that has been issued for this year's tax return?

tj · Post by tj » Thu Jan 16, 2025 8:21 am

RationalWalk wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 8:08 am
tj wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 10:21 pm

Yes. There's literally an opt out button when you are logged in and looking at your PIN. Can't miss it....
Another question. If I opt out now should I still use the PIN that has been issued for this year's tax return?

I have no idea. I sort of assumed the opt out was to turn it off for future years. Maybe just click the button after your return is accepted.

cello · Post by **cello** » Thu Jan 16, 2025 12:23 pm

Perhaps I am confusing two different questions. Am I correct people who have requested pins by regular mail continue to receive pins by mail, but people who had an old IRS account, that no longer works, did receive a one-time only IRS pin via regular mail last year and they will not receive a new pin this year - it is these latter folks that need to set up an account with ID.me.

Deontic · Post by **Deontic** » Thu Jan 16, 2025 12:35 pm

I believe that you are given the option, when creating your SS online account, to choose either "ID.ME" or "LOGIN.GOV" as the method of entry. It's been awhile, but I vaguely recall that when I created the "LOGIN.GOV" version for DW, that it was easier than the "ID.ME" account that I had previously established for myself. Anyone else have an opinion regarding ease of creation with either flavor?

Eno Deb · Post by **Eno Deb** » Thu Jan 16, 2025 3:07 pm

cello wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 12:23 pm Perhaps I am confusing two different questions. Am I correct people who have requested pins by regular mail continue to receive pins by mail, but people who had an old IRS account, that no longer works, did receive a one-time only IRS pin via regular mail last year and they will not receive a new pin this year - it is these latter folks that need to set up an account with ID.me.

The letter I received last year didn't mention that it was one-time only. I will wait for a few more weeks and hope they'll mail it again. If not, I guess I'll have to (grudgingly) create an ID.me account.

Deontic wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 12:35 pm I believe that you are given the option, when creating your SS online account, to choose either "ID.ME" or "LOGIN.GOV" as the method of entry. It's been awhile, but I vaguely recall that when I created the "LOGIN.GOV" version for DW, that it was easier than the "ID.ME" account that I had previously established for myself. Anyone else have an opinion regarding ease of creation with either flavor?

The IRS currently does not support Login.gov for tax payer accounts, although it is available for some other services that don't require ID verification (e.g. EFTPS). You are correct though that the SSA offers both. The IRS will only offer Login.gov with ID verification once they have sufficiently tested it. The verification process will be similar to ID.me's, but Login.gov will offer the additional option of verifying your ID in person at a post office if you don't want to submit biometric information online.