Can I take Capital loss

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Tooth
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Can I take Capital loss

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I edited this post after obtaining new information. I have new questions.


I invested in a private business with play money and I believe it is now out of business. The last update from the company was in 2021. The company is Prima-Temp, a company involved in making a device to monitor core temperature remotely to predict optimal time of fertility in females. I 've been searching for an answer and I see they still have a website and automated phone still works but for messages only. In addition social media has not been updated since 2021. Previously they made an acquisition of a company called Kindara that had a online community and that seems to be dead and posts on reddit appear to indicate that their app no longer works. How can I verify if the company is no longer in business? The reason is to use it as a capital loss as I had a small amount of private equity. I'm not sure if I can as I can't sell it.

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I searched the states secretary of state for filings and found that they are delinquent for filing as a company. The previous CEO had moved along a year prior to what I suspect as the shut down. I was able to look up my preferred stock on Carta and found that the company is no longer using, probably because they are not paying for the service. But I was able to obtain my share certificates with cost bases on the site. I originally owned convertible bonds that had been converted related to an investment into the company by a European pharma company. I was paid interest for these and the principal was transferred into preferred stock in the start up company. Obviously the stocks are now worthless. Can I take these as a capital loss on taxes? Since I have already filed I could amend my taxes to include this as a capital loss. It will not impact this years taxes as I have harvested losses and used $3000 dollars against taxes already. I 'll list my questions.

-Can I take a capital loss on this?
-If so, should I amend this years return to capture loss?
-Are the certificates with the cost bases sufficient evidence to prove it?

I have delt with companies that shut down in the past and I find it rude to just close without notification. Previously CEO's or other officers would send out notice stating that unfortunately we have to close business related to "x" reason. With a closing, "Thanks for your support."
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Re: Verify a Dead Investment

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Google turned up a detailed explanation of what to do with worthless securities, but I didn't find a useful answer. If you want to pursue it, here's the link: https://fairmark.com/investment-taxatio ... ecurities/
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Re: Verify a Dead Investment

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RudyS wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 3:24 pm Google turned up a detailed explanation of what to do with worthless securities, but I didn't find a useful answer. If you want to pursue it, here's the link: https://fairmark.com/investment-taxatio ... ecurities/
Thanks. Looks like I need to determine when the investment became worthless or just claim I abandon it.
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Re: Verify a Dead Investment

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Tooth wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 2:32 pmHow can I verify if the company is no longer in business?
The state of registration would have the contact information. Why not leave a message?
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tetractys wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 4:27 pm
Tooth wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 2:32 pmHow can I verify if the company is no longer in business?
The state of registration would have the contact information. Why not leave a message?
I've called and left an email without reply or human contact. On Google search it says temporarily closed.
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deleted - in hindsight I was off topic.
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You can try to arrange a private sale for $1. There seem to be lots of arrangements for marks who bought now worthless NFTs.
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Re: Verify a Dead Investment

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I searched the states secretary of state for fillings and found that they are delinquent for filling as a company. The previous CEO had moved along a year prior to what I suspect as the shut down. I was able to look up my preferred stock on Carta and found that the company is no longer using, probably because they are not paying for the service. But I was able to obtain my share certificates with cost bases on the site. I originally owned convertible bonds that had been converted related to an investment into the company by a European pharma company. I was paid interest for these and the principal was transferred into preferred stock in the start up company. Obviously the stocks are now worthless. Can I take these as a capital loss on taxes? Since I have already filed I could amend my taxes to include this as a capital loss. It will not impact this years taxes as I have harvested losses and used $3000 dollars against taxes already. I 'll list my questions.

-Can I take a capital loss on this?
-If so, should I amend this years return to capture loss?
-Are the certificates with the cost bases sufficient evidence to prove it?

I have delt with companies that shut down in the past and I find it rude to just close without notification. Previously CEO's or other officers would send out notice stating that unfortunately we have to close business related to "x" reason. With a closing, "Thanks for your support."
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