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I just got an email with a coupon for pre-ordering. What do folks here normally do? Pre-order, or wait?

Also, which version of the downloaded copy do folks recommend (basic, deluxe, premier)? It seems like deluxe is the most appropriate (it includes a state filing).
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Get the cheapest version that supports the forms you need.
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billthecat wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:05 pm I just got an email with a coupon for pre-ordering. What do folks here normally do? Pre-order, or wait?

Also, which version of the downloaded copy do folks recommend (basic, deluxe, premier)? It seems like deluxe is the most appropriate (it includes a state filing).
For the downloaded version Deluxe usually has everything you need for index fund investments.
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looking forward to all the Fidelity Free Turbo Tax eligibility speculation threads...
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I buy/download from Amazon as soon as it comes out. I believe this year that will be on November 3rd.

I always get the Home and Business version because we have a couple Schedule C businesses. We could probably get by with Premier but H&B is only an extra $10 (at least on Amazon).
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Wait until it's on sale at Costco so I have an excuse to keep my membership.
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jebmke wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:07 pm Get the cheapest version that supports the forms you need.
Other people have indicated that all versions include all forms, but vary on the level of guidance.
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billthecat wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:33 pm
jebmke wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:07 pm Get the cheapest version that supports the forms you need.
Other people have indicated that all versions include all forms, but vary on the level of guidance.
My understanding is that accounting for tax losses from tax loss harvesting requires the premier version. Is that correct?
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UpperNwGuy wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:11 pm
billthecat wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:33 pm
jebmke wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:07 pm Get the cheapest version that supports the forms you need.
Other people have indicated that all versions include all forms, but vary on the level of guidance.
My understanding is that accounting for tax losses from tax loss harvesting requires the premier version. Is that correct?
No.

None of the TurboTax versions will outright prevent you from taking a deduction you've earned.

I use the Deluxe download and I have a Schedule C business. No issue.
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UpperNwGuy wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:11 pm
billthecat wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:33 pm
jebmke wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:07 pm Get the cheapest version that supports the forms you need.
Other people have indicated that all versions include all forms, but vary on the level of guidance.
My understanding is that accounting for tax losses from tax loss harvesting requires the premier version. Is that correct?
I used downloaded Deluxe for my ample 2020 TLH no issues.
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Wait. I received the same email- pricing will be much lower around 1zt of the year (at least it usually is).
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FrugalProfessor wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:26 pm FreeTaxUSA.com
+1 to this. Haven't paid a penny for filing taxes for the last 2 tax years.

Well, I live in a state where I don't have to file income taxes for (Florida), so that helps too.
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chw wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:44 pm Wait. I received the same email- pricing will be much lower around 1zt of the year (at least it usually is).
I feel like there usually is a good black friday/cyber monday deal from Amazon.
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chw wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:44 pm Wait. I received the same email- pricing will be much lower around 1zt of the year (at least it usually is).
I paid 39.99 from Amazon in late January. I think that's about as low as it goes, though sometimes they throw in a small gift card too. Target is usually comparable.

There's no reason to pre-order TT Deluxe for $70 right now. It's not like they'll run out of downloadable copies :)
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Looks like they're charging 90$ for the Premier version.
Purchased from Amazon the 2020 version for 54.90 in January.
So - thanks, but no thanks.
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smartpants wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:24 pm Looks like they're charging 90$ for the Premier version.
Purchased from Amazon the 2020 version for 54.90 in January.
So - thanks, but no thanks.
The premier version is unnecessary for most people..
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January 1st, for whatever weird reason, is usually the best deal.
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This is what you're looking for:
csmath wrote: Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:06 pm
Outer Marker wrote: Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:55 am I just got an offer for $10 off if I pre-order today. However, doesn't appear to be much actual saving since the fine print says "Price comparison based on anticipated price increase expected in March 2021." I use the desktop version. Any other better deals out there now or expected? I remember back in the day Vanguard gave free software to flagship members, but that along with most benefits seem to have gone by the wayside.
I believe it was two years ago someone suggested setting up a camelcamelcamel alert for a price drop on Amazon because for the last X number of years they have offered a discount + $10 amazon gift card. This brings the cost of TurboTax Deluxe down to about $32.38 I believe. According to my records, the sale is usually some time in December. I plan on seeing if the same deal shows up again this year.
csmath wrote: Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:09 pm I found the info from last year:
RickBoglehead wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:40 pm
MechEngOSU wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:39 pm
siamond wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:05 pm There is a Black Friday offer on Amazon for Turbotax Premier (Federal & State) at $69, PLUS a $10 gift card, hence a value of $59. Download version. Sounds good to me. There is a similar GC offer for Deluxe at $49.
Thanks Siamond. I ended up doing this TT Deluxe deal with the $10 gift card. Not too shabby. Also keeps me from checking each day for the next month!
Posted repeatedly - use camelcamelcamel and you don't need to check.
Here is the whole thread from 2019: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=294347
According to records, after the gift card I paid the following for Desktop Deluxe:
$32.38 - December 26, 2020
$32.38 - December 28, 2019
$32.37 - December 28, 2018
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anon_investor wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:35 pm
smartpants wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:24 pm Looks like they're charging 90$ for the Premier version.
Purchased from Amazon the 2020 version for 54.90 in January.
So - thanks, but no thanks.
The premier version is unnecessary for most people..
Not if you sold any investments (Schedule D) or have a rental property. A busy year with a lot of TLH can be even too much for the online version, so you have to purchase the download version or CD. Bonus: you can file 5 federal e-files.
But I agree - be aware of up-selling.
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csmath wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:05 pm This is what you're looking for:
csmath wrote: Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:06 pm
Outer Marker wrote: Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:55 am I just got an offer for $10 off if I pre-order today. However, doesn't appear to be much actual saving since the fine print says "Price comparison based on anticipated price increase expected in March 2021." I use the desktop version. Any other better deals out there now or expected? I remember back in the day Vanguard gave free software to flagship members, but that along with most benefits seem to have gone by the wayside.
I believe it was two years ago someone suggested setting up a camelcamelcamel alert for a price drop on Amazon because for the last X number of years they have offered a discount + $10 amazon gift card. This brings the cost of TurboTax Deluxe down to about $32.38 I believe. According to my records, the sale is usually some time in December. I plan on seeing if the same deal shows up again this year.
csmath wrote: Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:09 pm I found the info from last year:
RickBoglehead wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:40 pm
MechEngOSU wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:39 pm
siamond wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:05 pm There is a Black Friday offer on Amazon for Turbotax Premier (Federal & State) at $69, PLUS a $10 gift card, hence a value of $59. Download version. Sounds good to me. There is a similar GC offer for Deluxe at $49.
Thanks Siamond. I ended up doing this TT Deluxe deal with the $10 gift card. Not too shabby. Also keeps me from checking each day for the next month!
Posted repeatedly - use camelcamelcamel and you don't need to check.
Here is the whole thread from 2019: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=294347
According to records, after the gift card I paid the following for Desktop Deluxe:
$32.38 - December 26, 2020
$32.38 - December 28, 2019
$32.37 - December 28, 2018
Looks like I bought TT Deluxe on the same day as you last year, similar price (taxes were different).
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I have followed TT pricing for 20 years. Here’s my take. Desktop Basic is never discounted but is all you need if you are willing to play some games. To wit: if you “try before you buy” the cloud Premium or Deluxe version and start the state section, you can till save your work to your desktop. If you then open that file in a purchased “Basic” desktop version you can see ALL the forms including sate. I don’t care for the interview format, forms is mostly all I need unless I get an error flag.

In my old age, it is easier to get the same price for Deluxe desktop as Basic desktop by waiting for THE one sale day of the year on Amazon to get Deluxe desktop with gift cards. In 2020, it was Dec 26. It has been Dec 28 in other years as noted up thread.

Again, every version of desktop has all the forms. I can’t speak to guidance. If you want state included, you can get Deluxe. But Basic gives you the exact same result, if you are willing willing to play some games between cloud and desktop versions.
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I believe that there's one day every year when Amazon sells the disc version of TurboTax Deluxe Plus State for the Costco coupon price ($39.99) and throws in a $10 Amazon gift card. I got it last year - on December 26. I'll be looking for it again this year.
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billthecat wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:33 pm
jebmke wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:07 pm Get the cheapest version that supports the forms you need.
Other people have indicated that all versions include all forms, but vary on the level of guidance.
I prefer to use IRS instructions and pubs for guidance if I need it.
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I just got the annual TurboTax email as well. As in past years, those discounts are nothing special (mine was just $10 off full retail, as has been typical for Intuit's early offers in past years). I typically just start watching Amazon now, and grab a better deal between now and year-end ($25 off or more is what I look for). Plus, in my case this year, I'm still deciding whether to stick with TurboTax again....

There is little advantage to getting the package early anyway, in the absence of a real deal. While they will release the software on Nov. 3 (last I looked), I have seldom found it useful until late December or January (when most of the forms are finally there). That's at least true for the forms that I generally need.

I'm sure Deluxe is all most need, but Premier works out a bit better for me in terms of more guidance (mainly for investment issues, and mine are complex) and breadth of the interview questions. I do multiple family returns and the $30 price diff is trivial anyway. For most, either will work. Home and Business version will generally be a good fit for those that are self-employed (although I was and, for my simple case, Premier was still enough). And having rental property will push you towards either Premier or Home and Business.
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Here are Amazon prices for last year for Deluxe + State

10/25 - 11/3 ----- 59.99
11/4 - 12/26 ---- 49.99
12/27 - 2/13 ----- 39.99

Using the Keepa Google extension shows you past prices. There may have been a $10 gift card included on some of these dates but it doesn't show that.
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hamhocs wrote: Fri Oct 29, 2021 9:46 am Here are Amazon prices for last year for Deluxe + State

10/25 - 11/3 ----- 59.99
11/4 - 12/26 ---- 49.99
12/27 - 2/13 ----- 39.99

Using the Keepa Google extension shows you past prices. There may have been a $10 gift card included on some of these dates but it doesn't show that.
+1, there is usually a sale on something like December 27 or 28 where the price drops and you get the $10 gift card for Mac/PC download version.
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marcopolo wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:10 pm looking forward to all the Fidelity Free Turbo Tax eligibility speculation threads...
Why wait? It’s free for Fidelity clients that qualify. 8-)
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Question. I've been using the TT online version every year when doing taxes and end up paying $150-180. Seems like buying the download desktop version is much cheaper, but will it sync with my previous years returns?
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Always makes me giggle when rich people haggle over saving $10 a year. I guess that's why they're rich.
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H&B Costco

However TurboTax does not file CA Form 568 which is infuriating when they claim 'everything for your home and small business' on the box.

To send it you have to:
1. Request an e-file waiver from CA State.
2. Give a reason, like TT sucks on this.
3. Waiver is granted via email.
4. Print 568 on your home printer.
5. Find an envelope.
6. Send via snail mail.

Unfortunately some people are not clear on this, as naturally they think TT will do all the filing, and they get fined/penalized.
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hamhocs wrote: Fri Oct 29, 2021 9:46 am Here are Amazon prices for last year for Deluxe + State

10/25 - 11/3 ----- 59.99
11/4 - 12/26 ---- 49.99
12/27 - 2/13 ----- 39.99

Using the Keepa Google extension shows you past prices. There may have been a $10 gift card included on some of these dates but it doesn't show that.
Is this for the desktop version? ( Cd) version
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FrugalProfessor wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:26 pm FreeTaxUSA.com
For years, I've been irritated about having to do a return at all. It should be already filled out and ready for my signature, as is the case in lots of those socialist countries in Europe.

This year I had to wait a long time for IRS to do its thing. While I was waiting, I signed up for the account that lets me see my tax transcript. It was amazing. Before they processed my return, they had 53 pages of information on me about my compensation and stock transactions. I saw with my own eyes that they really do already have all the info. Grr. Why am I paying $69 to some software company?

This being my first year on Bogleheads, I decided to do something to limit my expenses. Thanks for pointing out FreeTaxUSA. I will give them a try!
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furiouschads wrote: Fri Oct 29, 2021 9:11 pm
FrugalProfessor wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:26 pm FreeTaxUSA.com
For years, I've been irritated about having to do a return at all. It should be already filled out and ready for my signature, as is the case in lots of those socialist countries in Europe. ...
Please don't start any debates between socialism and capitalism.
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ImmigrantSaver wrote: Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:15 pm Question. I've been using the TT online version every year when doing taxes and end up paying $150-180. Seems like buying the download desktop version is much cheaper, but will it sync with my previous years returns?
Yes, it does.
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I wait to get it free from Fidelity. If I am unlucky and don't receive it from Fidelity - then I'll go with plan B and buy it from Sam's Club. I always use the desktop version too.
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I no longer use TurboTax because it doesn't support Form 8997, needed for reporting of QOZ funds.

AFAIK, TaxAct is the only DIY tax software program that does support that form.
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RCL wrote: Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:50 pm
hamhocs wrote: Fri Oct 29, 2021 9:46 am Here are Amazon prices for last year for Deluxe + State

10/25 - 11/3 ----- 59.99
11/4 - 12/26 ---- 49.99
12/27 - 2/13 ----- 39.99

Using the Keepa Google extension shows you past prices. There may have been a $10 gift card included on some of these dates but it doesn't show that.
Is this for the desktop version? ( Cd) version
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Based on past experience:

1. No you don't really need Premier for investments and rental income in spite of their efforts to get you to pay more. The cheaper Deluxe version does all that just fine.

2. Wait until Black Friday or a little after - there's typically a promotion that effectively gets you the Deluxe + 1 state for $30: see this from last year viewtopic.php?f=11&t=333887. Waiting makes sense as the initial release will do very little - there's still much that the IRS has to finalize. By about mid-December, with all the updates installed, you can typically have a pretty good picture of your taxes.
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smartpants wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:20 pm
anon_investor wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:35 pm
smartpants wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:24 pm Looks like they're charging 90$ for the Premier version.
Purchased from Amazon the 2020 version for 54.90 in January.
So - thanks, but no thanks.
The premier version is unnecessary for most people..
Not if you sold any investments (Schedule D) or have a rental property. A busy year with a lot of TLH can be even too much for the online version, so you have to purchase the download version or CD. Bonus: you can file 5 federal e-files.
But I agree - be aware of up-selling.
I had investments and a rental property the past couple of years, which the Deluxe (desktop) version handled just fine. I didn't notice any significant difference from the Premier version I used before. The Premier version probably has a bit more hand-holding, but I really couldn't tell any difference.
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Turbotax Premier is available now to download at Amazon for 69.99 plus tax.
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CyclingDuo wrote: Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:08 pm
marcopolo wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:10 pm looking forward to all the Fidelity Free Turbo Tax eligibility speculation threads...
Why wait? It’s free for Fidelity clients that qualify. 8-)
I think one needs to wait until February at least to get that.
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corn18 wrote: Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:28 pm Always makes me giggle when rich people haggle over saving $10 a year. I guess that's why they're rich.
I am little bit surprised that you did use word "they" when talking about being "rich"; I mean you (or me) are not scrapping by on food stamps :-)
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The version of TurboTax I purchased and downloaded today from Amazon does not yet have support for 1099-R or 1098 forms. The program says they will be available “soon.”
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cadreamer2015 wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:24 pm The version of TurboTax I purchased and downloaded today from Amazon does not yet have support for 1099-R or 1098 forms. The program says they will be available “soon.”
This is common across all programs and everything is usually complete by around Mar 15 (if not earlier). Past couple years they've needed extra time due to last minute tax law changes
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In my experience, forms are typically finalized sometime in January. State forms (at least Missouri's) usually lag a couple weeks behind federal. I can't remember the last time I had to wait on Turbotax before I could file - usually I'm still waiting on 1099s weeks after Turbotax is ready to go.

But even if the forms aren't finalized yet I've been able to get an estimate of my taxes sometime in December.
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ImmigrantSaver wrote: Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:15 pm Question. I've been using the TT online version every year when doing taxes and end up paying $150-180. Seems like buying the download desktop version is much cheaper, but will it sync with my previous years returns?
I buy TT online each year, and like it better than download (I can easily move between different PC's/chromebooks, whether at work or home). My costs end up to be half yours, depending upon the Fidelity discount (varies year to year, and even month-to-month).

To answer your question, [with Online] you can download your *.tax file after filing, in addition to the pdfs. I archive the .tax and pdfs, and it can be imported into other tools (including TT download, or other vendors).
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ImmigrantSaver wrote: Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:15 pm Question. I've been using the TT online version every year when doing taxes and end up paying $150-180. Seems like buying the download desktop version is much cheaper, but will it sync with my previous years returns?
What does paying $150-180 has to do with the TT2021? Were you paying that to TurboTax aka Intuit or you are talking about paying that to US Treasuries aka IRS?
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wrongfunds wrote: Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:10 am
ImmigrantSaver wrote: Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:15 pm Question. I've been using the TT online version every year when doing taxes and end up paying $150-180. Seems like buying the download desktop version is much cheaper, but will it sync with my previous years returns?
What does paying $150-180 has to do with the TT2021? Were you paying that to TurboTax aka Intuit or you are talking about paying that to US Treasuries aka IRS?
I was talking about the cost of TT Intuit, and not how much I owed to IRS (I only wish that was 180 bucks :D )
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ImmigrantSaver wrote: Thu Nov 04, 2021 11:09 am
wrongfunds wrote: Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:10 am
ImmigrantSaver wrote: Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:15 pm Question. I've been using the TT online version every year when doing taxes and end up paying $150-180. Seems like buying the download desktop version is much cheaper, but will it sync with my previous years returns?
What does paying $150-180 has to do with the TT2021? Were you paying that to TurboTax aka Intuit or you are talking about paying that to US Treasuries aka IRS?
I was talking about the cost of TT Intuit, and not how much I owed to IRS (I only wish that was 180 bucks :D )
Interesting! Maximum I have paid to TT is about $50 for their Deluxe or Premier CD Usually I pick it up at Costco or order from Amazon.

If you use online version, do you have last year's data saved/archived locally?
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