GEICO Umbrella: Significant Increase in Premium

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I merged patriciamgr2's thread into the on-going discussion. The combined thread is in the Personal Finance (Not Investing) forum (insurance).
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Actually have been paying $574.15 for 5MM since 2015. State of Nebraska which probably explains the difference in premium.
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We have a State Farm 2million dollar policy. 2 homes, primary in Fla. 3 cars , 500k limit. $684.
Slightly high, but I’ve been with State Farm 50 years this year, and the auto rates are super low . USAA doesn’t even come close.
I’ve never heard great things about GEICO - cancellations after claims and claims management
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Geico has always been very high on all quotes for me in California
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Just got notice of umbrella non-renewal by geico due to two auto claims less than five years. The older claim is 4.5 years ago and I was too stupid to realize I should have not called geico auto for a minor damage to rental vehicle not involving another party which was apparently covered by rental LDW.

Geico said it didn’t matter than they didn’t have to pay out at all, the fact that there were two at-fault claims in 5 years counts toward not meeting geico umbrella underwriting standards.

They did recommend RLI which they act as an agent for. $2 million $655 in NJ (due to one at-fault within last 3 years) otherwise it is $553. I don’t know if Geico raise their own rates this year or not due to non-renewal but last year I was paying $300 for $2 million.
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Thanks to the Forum members who have shared your experiences. It's helpful to get some context for GEICO's rate action. I'll keep checking back on this post if anyone else has input. Thanks and best wishes for the Thanksgiving holiday to you & your families.
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Another data point. 1MM policy, FL.

2020: $254
2021: $390
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Thanks to all who have responded. It's always helpful to have reference points. Best Wishes. Patricia MG-er
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Any updates to this thread? Mine jumped 100%, I moved to FLA...no other changes..am a renter.

Trying to consider comparisons right now. Thanks
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GEICO said they are instituting premium changes nationwide (per a comment to me when an Umbrella department supervisor called me--not a public statement by management). My agent is shopping umbrellas at other providers. I have asked my state insurance department for access to the documents GEICO filed to support the premium increase. In Nevada, I was particularly annoyed that the almost-doubling of the premium was accompanied by what appear to be significant changes in coverage. No one at GEICO is willing to answer questions about what the language changes mean, because "only the lawyers can respond to questions on coverage and the lawyers don't answer hypothetical questions". The entire experience has been bizarre. I purchase umbrella coverage for peace of mind (not because I think I have any real risks) but it's no longer providing much peace of mind!
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Wow, that sounds odd. In the past I have found them to be thorough in their explanations.

Perhaps I need an agent to assist. Thank you for the update.
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Hmm, I just switched to Geico last week for their cheaper auto+umbrella. I'm in Texas and was quoted $180 for 1M, $333 for 2M and $444 for 3M. Geico uses a partner company (which for my quote was RLI) for their umbrella. Their homeowner's is through yet another partner company (I don't remember the name), so they really only directly provide auto coverage.
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In Nevada, it appears that GEICO writes its own umbrella coverage--but it uses others for homeowners (Traveler's, Stillwater). Your quotes are much better than Nevada's. My $2MM which had been $277 was quoted for renewal at $480 (without any claims or changes in rating factors). This was after a decade of only small percentage increases.
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Geico recently raised my umbrella premium to over $10k per year. Yikes!

Yes, it is a 10M policy, and yes, it covers a whole fleet of vehicles and a multitude of real estate properties including some located in the most litigious states, but what the heck?

We switched to State Farm and will save 7k per year. The new premium is 3k for 10M in coverage.
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Archimedes wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 4:40 am Geico recently raised my umbrella premium to over $10k per year. Yikes!

Yes, it is a 10M policy, and yes, it covers a whole fleet of vehicles and a multitude of real estate properties including some located in the most litigious states, but what the heck?

We switched to State Farm and will save 7k per year. The new premium is 3k for 10M in coverage.
Same experience here with State Farm. Was much less than GEICO, they (GEICO) actually use RLI for their umbrella policies.
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Wow - that's a huge savings.
As to the comment about RLI, is the GEICO umbrella policy written in that firm's name? [My HO policy--while placed through GEICO--was written on either Travelers or Stillwater. But the umbrella always seemed to be written as if GEICO was insuring it. I don't know if they reinsured with another firm of course.]

Thanks again to everyone who responded.
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patriciamgr2 wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 9:34 pm Wow - that's a huge savings.
As to the comment about RLI, is the GEICO umbrella policy written in that firm's name? [My HO policy--while placed through GEICO--was written on either Travelers or Stillwater. But the umbrella always seemed to be written as if GEICO was insuring it. I don't know if they reinsured with another firm of course.]

Thanks again to everyone who responded.
In my case, the policy is written in RLI's name and Geico is listed as the "insurance agency"

Sounds like this varies from state to state
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Sorry I’m late to this thread.

A couple of years ago, GEICO started raising my rates every six months like clockwork. I called to inquire and got the same “more claims = higher claims for everyone” spiel.

But then I read a very interesting article about companies using “big data” to harvest all kinds of information on consumers. GEICO was one of the firms featured. They were data mining to develop price sensitivity profiles on their insureds. These profiles were used to predict how much GEICO could increase rates before people started leaving for other carriers.

I don’t know if GEICO was doing that to me, but it was enough to convince me to go elsewhere for my insurance. Since then, I’ve comparison shopped my insurance premiums every year.
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Horologium wrote: Thu Dec 24, 2020 10:53 pm They were data mining to develop price sensitivity profiles on their insureds. These profiles were used to predict how much GEICO could increase rates before people started leaving for other carriers.
This is interesting. I once read that some home remodelers actually based their quotes on their estimates of how much the prospective clients could afford to pay. I had one inexplicably high bathroom remodel quote that was likely explained by this type of business strategy. We just sold the house instead... 8-)
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OnTrack2020 wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:54 am We pay a ridiculous amount for umbrella--over $800 for $1M. I should add we do have young adult/teen drivers. I don't know if we can get it any lower.
You should be able to. Call an independent insurance agent who represents several insurance carriers and they can do some comparison quotes for you. Your best rates occur when you package several policies together with the same carrier.
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My Geico umbrella for $1m (4 cars and two younger drivers) went from $523 to $499.
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Horologium wrote: Thu Dec 24, 2020 10:53 pm But then I read a very interesting article about companies using “big data” to harvest all kinds of information on consumers. GEICO was one of the firms featured. They were data mining to develop price sensitivity profiles on their insureds. These profiles were used to predict how much GEICO could increase rates before people started leaving for other carriers.
This is known as price optimization. It's done for auto insurance, where the rate calculation is very complex. It can take 300 steps to calculate an auto insurance premium. Rate manuals can be over 1000 pages long.

This thread is about umbrella insurance. There is no price optimization for umbrella insurance. Umbrella rates are so simple that you could calculate premiums in your head. GEICO's umbrella rate manual is only 4 pages long.
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Just a small increase for me. $1m with Liberty Mutual.

$290 -> $309
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My Geico 2M policy saw a $30 premium increase
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Mighty72: that was the sort of increase I had been paying on my umbrella in recent years until the big jump in December 2020. I'm in Nevada--so this may vary by state.
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talzara wrote: Fri Dec 25, 2020 1:18 pm
This thread is about umbrella insurance.
Sorry. I forgot to note that I was referring to my auto coverage. Thanks for the clarification.
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RLI $1355, 5M in coverage. Multiple rentals.
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Again, many thanks to all who have posted & shared their experience. As consumers, it's helpful to see comparisons. Thanks & Happy New Year to all Bogleheads & their families. Best Regards, Patricia
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Many umbrella rates are not apples to apples. Even if rates not broken down in writing like Geico does, you can often ask and get a breakdown. The largest differentiators tend to be -
- Number of houses & vehicles
- Amount and ages of drivers
- Uninsured/Underinsured coverage

The latter of those is particularly significant. Many cheap policies do not include UM coverage at all. You can see this easily in the above mentioned RLI calculator, where for us, a $1mil umbrella is a base of just $163/yr...but to add $1mil of UM coverage is an extra $316. Note - we do not have RLI coverage.

We also do not have geico with a broken down rate showing, but I asked and was able to get a breakdown of our premium last year. Our insurer no longer sells UM umbrella coverage, but we have a grandfathered policy and it was a driver of much of our rate increase last year. Our premium increased by 18% this year despite selling our condo finally, but I haven't yet received a breakdown, my suspicion is UM being the driver once again given the RLI quote above vs. our quote from last year below.

$163.00 - Base premium - 2 autos and 1 home included in base

$ 45.00 - 3rd auto

$201.00 - UM coverage. First 2 vehicles are $77.00 each. Third vehicle is $47.00

$ 30.00 - 2nd owner occupied home policy.

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$439.00 for the term of 12-11-18 to 12-11-19


The best follow-up question for these frequent umbrella premium threads is to inquire if someone has UM coverage in their umbrella...and if it is worth having.
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talzara wrote: Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:22 am You can take advantage of this if you have a deeply discounted automobile policy from an insurer that offers liability limits of $1-2 million. This can be much cheaper than adding umbrella coverage, because your auto discounts will still apply to the increased limits. When you buy umbrella, you move to a much simpler rate structure that has fewer discounts.
I am a few months late noticing this and responding, but this is a fascinating tip. Do you know of any insurers offhand that offer these policies?
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I should mention in my state, GEICO's umbrella does not cover Uninsured Motorist. I have 1 home, 1 car, no other persons driving & no recent claims (no at-fault accidents ever--I think--under my GEICO auto). I remain mystified by the doubling of the premium after years of smaller increases.

I tried getting higher limits on my GEICO auto & that didn't work. My agent is looking at that strategy when shopping for new coverage, however

Thanks for the valuable information.
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brajalle wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 7:33 am
talzara wrote: Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:22 am You can take advantage of this if you have a deeply discounted automobile policy from an insurer that offers liability limits of $1-2 million. This can be much cheaper than adding umbrella coverage, because your auto discounts will still apply to the increased limits. When you buy umbrella, you move to a much simpler rate structure that has fewer discounts.
I am a few months late noticing this and responding, but this is a fascinating tip. Do you know of any insurers offhand that offer these policies?
Just call around. $1 million limits are not as rare as they used to be. It's usually not advertised, and you won't always find it in the online quoter.

The top four companies have over 50% of the auto insurance market. State Farm and Allstate offer $1 million of primary automobile liability coverage in most states. GEICO and Progressive do not. There are also some regional insurers that offer $1 million limits on auto policies.

$2 million limits are much harder to find.
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patriciamgr2 wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 6:24 pm I should mention in my state, GEICO's umbrella does not cover Uninsured Motorist. I have 1 home, 1 car, no other persons driving & no recent claims (no at-fault accidents ever--I think--under my GEICO auto). I remain mystified by the doubling of the premium after years of smaller increases.
GEICO has been writing umbrella at a loss for more than 5 years. This is unusual for GEICO, since its auto insurance line usually makes an underwriting profit. They finally decided that enough was enough, and they're going to make umbrella carry its own weight.

I get the impression that GEICO umbrella has more adverse selection. State Farm agents seem to do a better job of risk selection. This may be one area where the agent model works better.
patriciamgr2 wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 6:24 pm I tried getting higher limits on my GEICO auto & that didn't work. My agent is looking at that strategy when shopping for new coverage, however
GEICO offers up to $500k of liability coverage on primary auto policies. You need an umbrella policy for limits over $500k.

GEICO recently increased the attachment point for its umbrella policies to $500k. This was a good idea, because the attachment point had never been adjusted for inflation. However, the other umbrella insurers did not follow GEICO's lead. GEICO cancelled the increase within a matter of months, and it's back down to $300k.
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talzara wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 2:26 pm]

GEICO offers up to $500k of liability coverage on primary auto policies. You need an umbrella policy for limits over $500k.
That is not universally true. I have $1M auto liability coverage through them. It may vary depending on the location even the customer.
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jmorgans wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:26 pm
talzara wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 2:26 pm GEICO offers up to $500k of liability coverage on primary auto policies. You need an umbrella policy for limits over $500k.
That is not universally true. I have $1M auto liability coverage through them. It may vary depending on the location even the customer.
Insurance is regulated state-by-state, so I usually add "in most states" when I write anything about insurance. No matter how universal the rule, there's bound to be an exception. I left out that disclaimer here, and that's what happened.

GEICO offers up to $1 million of bodily injury liability coverage in New York. Property damage liability is still limited to $500k.
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My Geico $1MM umbrella policy is due for it's annual renewal and I've been informed the price is going up 33% from $250 to $333. I haven't made any claims under the policy and have not had any changes in my circumstances that should affect the rate. I called them and asked about it and all they would tell me is they had a rate change. Any thoughts why it would jump so much?

I have my 2 autos and home bundled with them and the total bundle cost is still cheaper than all other options I've received prices for so I can't really justify switching away. My auto and home policies went up a little but not nearly as much as the umbrella did.
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jimmyrules712 wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:29 pm My Geico $1MM umbrella policy is due for it's annual renewal and I've been informed the price is going up 33% from $250 to $333. I haven't made any claims under the policy and have not had any changes in my circumstances that should affect the rate. I called them and asked about it and all they would tell me is they had a rate change. Any thoughts why it would jump so much?

I have my 2 autos and home bundled with them and the total bundle cost is still cheaper than all other options I've received prices for so I can't really justify switching away. My auto and home policies went up a little but not nearly as much as the umbrella did.
I also had a huge increase in my Geico umbrella. (52%) I called and they said my state had an increase in rates due to an increase in claims. However, I also had an at fault auto accident, and while accident forgiveness means my auto rate did not increase, my auto rate band is worse, and that is one of the factors in the umbrella premium.
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I merged jimmyrules712's thread into the ongoing discussion.
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My $2M Geico Umbrella policy increased from $216/yr to $358/yr. A 65% increase in one year. I'm not happy about that. May shop around. I'm in Nevada.
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As noted in my earlier post, I experienced a huge increase in my umbrella premium in Nevada as well. I had no claims under auto, home or umbrella policies and have been a customer for years. I want to point out that, in my case, the Nevada terms and conditions changed substantially at the same time the premium increased--IMO resulting in less coverage in many situations. If you have a GEICO renewal, I suggest you look at any policy changes as well. Good luck to us all in finding better coverage. Regards, Patricia MG-er
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