ScubaHogg wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:20 pm
JackoC wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:17 pm
flaccidsteele wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:38 pm
ScubaHogg wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:45 am
I wouldn’t put 50% of my assets in a concentrated, likely low growth asset. Bogleheads are typically
for diversification, until suddenly they aren’t.
+1
Irrational to lock money in a low growth, expense generating asset when money can be borrowed at the rate of inflation
Diversification: if you live in a mortgage recourse state, financing a house doesn't remove the concentration of risk represented by the house. It does allow you to have a bigger portfolio...because you're borrowing money, so the house is a smaller % of total assets than it would otherwise be. But you're on the hook for all $260k value of the house in some event that takes it to less than 80% of what you paid for it. In a non recourse state there's a bigger diversification effect of borrowing against the house. Not only does it allow a bigger portfolio of which house is a smaller %, but your max downside on the house becomes the down payment.
And if the house value stays flat while the market grows 15% how does that affect my net worth if I have a mortgage? With no mortgage the house represents a much larger percentage of the OPs assets. The OP’s assets are more concentrated in the house. So yes, in most senses of the term diversifying reduces the OPs concentration of risk in the house.
As I said, two aspects to it.
a) if you're selling stocks to come up with the cash to buy the house, then obviously you're reducing expected return (though also risk) of your portfolio.
b) the actual concentration/diversification represented by the house itself. This does depend on recourse v non-recourse, can't be discussed meaningfully without knowing which it is. If your state is non-recourse then an 80% financed $260 house represents a max downside of $52k, what you put up. In a recourse state, and assuming you have other assets for the lender to go after, you have a concentrated lump of $260k risk in the house whether you finance it or not.
So to semi make up number since OP's specifics weren't totally clear, say $260 house, $400k in assets now, of which $250k is stocks (leaving $52k for a down payment and $98k for an 'emergency fund' of cash/short bond).
1) buy house for cash, $260 house, 42k stock, $98k EF=$400k NW. You could say 'diversification' has been reduced but mainly practically upside potential is reduced IMO. And I wouldn't suggest buying for cash with this little in assets and that high an appetite for stocks (as shown by the stock position now, which wouldn't be fulfilled if tying up that much money in the house).
2) finance house with $208k *non-recourse* mortgage. Net asset $52k home equity, stock $250k, EF $98k=400k NW
3) finance house with $208k *recourse* mortgage. Now it's not legit to look at the house as 'net asset' of $52k. Assets are now $260 house, $250k stock, $98k EM, total $608 assets, liability $208, $400k NW.
The house represents a much larger downside risk in 3 than 2, and just focusing on downside you're not that much better off than 1 (big drop in house prices but the stock market does well?). That has to be considered, and if OP had closer to enough assets to really think about a cash house purchase, even for only $260k, the actual diversification difference between 1 and 3 would narrow. Case 2 really diversifies, but unfortunately in most states recourse mortgages are standard.