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2 weeks notice or No Notice ? save 3.5K or Reputation ?

Post by confusedinvestor » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:42 pm

Folks,
Need some help and your wisdom.

Should I give a 2 weeks notice before leaving a job or just tell my manager on the last day ?

I worked for a company for 8 years and recently they outsourced my role to another company and fortunately I got a new job offer.

With this new company, I don't have any PTO time accurate yet but I do have a international trip to see my folks back home for 10 days just prior to starting my new job in the new company. I cant change my international trip else I will loose 1.5K airfare.

Question:

1. Should I go for my trip and then tell my manager on the 2 days before my last day at my current company ?

2. Or, Should I tell him now which gives proper 2 weeks notice (with potential loss of 10 days of pay approx. 3.5 K) ?

If I tell him now, I might be let go either immediately where I will get no $ for next 3 weeks before starting a new job.

I am coming back from my trip on a Thursday and my last day must be Friday b/c the new job is on Monday

If I tell him on that Friday, he could be mad and it looks extremely unprofessional on my part. and it could ruin my reputations as well but If I tell him now and I am let go before my trip, I Loose 10 days of pay approx. 3.5 K (post tax)

What would you do given my situation ?

Note: Companies fire or lay off ppl these days and don't even pay 2 weeks and when my job was outsourced (including my manager's job) , no one got any head's up either...

I am thinking of giving 2 weeks notice and let go that 3.5K/10days of pay in liue of reputation and courtesy - thoughts ?
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Post by willthrill81 » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:43 pm

Here's my thought on the issue. If they were terminating you, would they give you two weeks notice and/or severance pay? If not, then why should you give them two weeks notice of your quitting?
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Post by confusedinvestor » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:45 pm

Thanks.

I think the new outsourced company would give me 1 week of pay only - not 2 weeks.
willthrill81 wrote:
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Here's my thought on the issue. If they were terminating you, would they give you two weeks notice and/or severance pay? If not, then why should you give them two weeks notice of your quitting?

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Post by Cycle » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:55 pm

It's a small world, don't burn any Bridges. One of our engineers is leaving to go back to his old company which he thought he hated.
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Post by ScubaHogg » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:17 pm

Your reputation is worth a lot more than $3.5k. If they haven’t done anything untoward, I’d pay them the courtesy of a notice. Life is long.

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Post by indexfundfan » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:18 pm

Can you delay the start of the new job by one week?
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Post by Snert » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:24 pm

While we cannot control the actions of others, we can hold our heads high knowing when we've done the right thing.

You know the right thing to do. Do that.
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Post by Supurdueper » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:37 pm

If you give two weeks notice and they let you go beforehand wouldn’t you be entitled to their severance package and/or unemployment? Check your company’s policy and state laws.

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Post by mx711yam » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:39 pm

As a business owner, give us the courtesy of a 2 week notice.

And to respond to one comment, we dont fire without prior notices of poor performance, so that's a mute point.

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Post by lakpr » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:48 pm

I would not hesitate to give just one day notice.

Look, your job already has been outsourced. Proof that the old company you worked for 8 years did not see enough value in your contributions to retain you. You barely even started with the new company, you dont owe them anything. If anything, you will have to establish your cred all over again with the new company.

The business you worked for looked for its bottom line. You can do the same.

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Post by HornedToad » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:51 pm

Even if you are let go immediately, most companies still pay out the two weeks. At least any of the good ones do

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Post by mmmodem » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:52 pm

Your reputation with your colleagues is also important.

A coworker quit without notice. Not only did they burn bridges with the company but with some of his former colleagues like me as well. I would not be kind if we met up professionally again in the future.

Always give two weeks. Decline to answer if they ask where you are going. They might think you're going to a competitor and walk you out with two weeks pay. That's what happened with me anyway.

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Post by whodidntante » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:53 pm

Supurdueper wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:37 pm
If you give two weeks notice and they let you go beforehand wouldn’t you be entitled to their severance package and/or unemployment? Check your company’s policy and state laws.
It's an interesting word you chose, entitled.

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Post by lakpr » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:55 pm

mx711yam wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:39 pm
As a business owner, give us the courtesy of a 2 week notice.

And to respond to one comment, we dont fire without prior notices of poor performance, so that's a mute point.
At my MegaCorp, 18 people were let go yesterday. Zero notice. They were called into a large conf room. Then the head honcho said that the new strategic direction of the company meant these folks will have to be let go, and that was that.

Not even the direct managers of the folks that were let go had any idea and were not present in the room.

Apparently they were given a month's severance, so there is that to be fair.

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Post by whodidntante » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:56 pm

They outsourced you. Maybe they should call their new partner.

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Post by TxAg » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:59 pm

I've been on both ends of it. I don't know if there is a clear right/wrong answer. Just do what you think is best given the information you have. For me, a lot of it would depend on company culture and my relationships with my coworkers/supervisors.

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Post by setancre » Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:03 pm

confusedinvestor wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:42 pm
Folks,
Need some help and your wisdom.

Should I give a 2 weeks notice before leaving a job or just tell my manager on the last day ?

I worked for a company for 8 years and recently they outsourced my role to another company and fortunately I got a new job offer.

With this new company, I don't have any PTO time accurate yet but I do have a international trip to see my folks back home for 10 days just prior to starting my new job in the new company. I cant change my international trip else I will loose 1.5K airfare.

Question:

1. Should I go for my trip and then tell my manager on the 2 days before my last day at my current company ?

2. Or, Should I tell him now which gives proper 2 weeks notice (with potential loss of 10 days of pay approx. 3.5 K) ?

If I tell him now, I might be let go either immediately where I will get no $ for next 3 weeks before starting a new job.

I am coming back from my trip on a Thursday and my last day must be Friday b/c the new job is on Monday

If I tell him on that Friday, he could be mad and it looks extremely unprofessional on my part. and it could ruin my reputations as well but If I tell him now and I am let go before my trip, I Loose 10 days of pay approx. 3.5 K (post tax)

What would you do given my situation ?

Note: Companies fire or lay off ppl these days and don't even pay 2 weeks and when my job was outsourced (including my manager's job) , no one got any head's up either...

I am thinking of giving 2 weeks notice and let go that 3.5K/10days of pay in liue of reputation and courtesy - thoughts ?
Push back your start date. Not sure why you didn't negotiate that when you got the offer, considering your prepaid vacation plans.

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Post by SevenBridgesRoad » Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:03 pm

Reputation is everything. Lots of Bogleheads seem to follow Warren Buffet. Here's what he says about reputation: "It takes 20 years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it. If you think about that, you'll do things differently."

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Post by bhough » Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:20 pm

Yes, they would screw you if given the chance.

No, you may not quit the same day. Give two weeks notice. Life is long. People will remember how you left.

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Post by mrspock » Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:33 pm

Reverse the thinking.... if your reputation was damaged, to the point of having trouble finding a new gig. How much would you pay to fix it? Probably more than $3.5k . Give two weeks notice IMO ... one of your colleagues or bosses will remember this too.

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Post by indexfundfan » Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:36 pm

Cancel the trip. The cost is "only" 1.5k.
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Post by confusedinvestor » Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:43 pm

This.

Thank you - OP.
mrspock wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:33 pm
Reverse the thinking.... if your reputation was damaged, to the point of having trouble finding a new gig. How much would you pay to fix it? Probably more than $3.5k . Give two weeks notice IMO ... one of your colleagues or bosses will remember this too.

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Post by confusedinvestor » Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:46 pm

I am seriously considering this.

I have been looking forward to this trip for last few years to celebrate my home's festivity season - like I haven't been home for Christmas for last 10 years.

I'm split.
indexfundfan wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:36 pm
Cancel the trip. The cost is "only" 1.5k.

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Post by confusedinvestor » Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:49 pm

My previous boss in this same company is in my reference list so when he will hear that I did not give proper 2 weeks notice from my current manager, he may not be my reference list anymore.
TxAg wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:59 pm
I've been on both ends of it. I don't know if there is a clear right/wrong answer. Just do what you think is best given the information you have. For me, a lot of it would depend on company culture and my relationships with my coworkers/supervisors.

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Post by TropikThunder » Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:55 pm

confusedinvestor wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:43 pm
This.

Thank you - OP.
mrspock wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:33 pm
Reverse the thinking.... if your reputation was damaged, to the point of having trouble finding a new gig. How much would you pay to fix it? Probably more than $3.5k . Give two weeks notice IMO ... one of your colleagues or bosses will remember this too.
I think you're presenting a false choice. If I understand your OP correctly, you are returning on a Thursday from a 10-day trip abroad, and are scheduled to begin at the new company on the following Monday. That suggests the trip will use PTO from your current position, correct? I mean, if you're out of the country and not using PTO you're not getting paid anyway so getting fired won't make any difference. If you give notice the day before you leave, and they fire you on the spot, you'll collect as a payout the PTO that you would have used on the trip anyway, won't you? Fired without cause doesn't usually void a PTO payout but quitting without notice can (state laws vary obviously). So give notice AND still collect the salary as PTO if they fire you.

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Post by SimonJester » Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:02 pm

confusedinvestor wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:46 pm
I am seriously considering this.

I have been looking forward to this trip for last few years to celebrate my home's festivity season - like I haven't been home for Christmas for last 10 years.

I'm split.
indexfundfan wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:36 pm
Cancel the trip. The cost is "only" 1.5k.
Which ever way you go, I would go on your trip. How many chances in your life will you get to go back home and be with your family. That is a finite number. There are a lot more days at work ahead of you. The trip might rejuvenate you as well for your new position.

You could split the difference and tell the old boss a week before your trip vs two weeks. But as they have already outsourced you I'd just give a few days notice.
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Post by Watty » Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:39 pm

confusedinvestor wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:42 pm
If I tell him now, I might be let go either immediately where I will get no $ for next 3 weeks before starting a new job.
Even if you are in some sensitive job where they escort you to the door the minute you give two weeks notice it is almost certain that you will still be paid for the two weeks.

The problem is that if they did that and then did not pay the two weeks pay then other employees would hear about it and then not give the traditional two weeks notice when they leave.

Unless you have actually heard of this happening(which would be very unusual) then I would just give the two weeks notice with your final day being the day you start your trip.

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Post by confusedinvestor » Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:04 pm

I joined the outsourced company on Sept 1 and I will be out of country for 7 business days (total 10 days including weekend) and I have only 2 days of accrued PTO (for month of Sept), so I should not be paid for another 5 days.

Based on the BH feedback, I will give notice tomorrow in writing and will request my manager not to lay me off tomorrow (but it can happen b/c the outsourced company is trying to save very penny I was told) and I will request him not to pay for 5 days and use my 2 days of Sept PTO -
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I think you're presenting a false choice. If I understand your OP correctly, you are returning on a Thursday from a 10-day trip abroad, and are scheduled to begin at the new company on the following Monday. That suggests the trip will use PTO from your current position, correct? I mean, if you're out of the country and not using PTO you're not getting paid anyway so getting fired won't make any difference. If you give notice the day before you leave, and they fire you on the spot, you'll collect as a payout the PTO that you would have used on the trip anyway, won't you? Fired without cause doesn't usually void a PTO payout but quitting without notice can (state laws vary obviously). So give notice AND still collect the salary as PTO if they fire you.

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confusedinvestor wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:42 pm
Folks,
Need some help and your wisdom.

Should I give a 2 weeks notice before leaving a job or just tell my manager on the last day ?

I worked for a company for 8 years and recently they outsourced my role to another company and fortunately I got a new job offer.

With this new company, I don't have any PTO time accurate yet but I do have a international trip to see my folks back home for 10 days just prior to starting my new job in the new company. I cant change my international trip else I will loose 1.5K airfare.

Question:

1. Should I go for my trip and then tell my manager on the 2 days before my last day at my current company ?

2. Or, Should I tell him now which gives proper 2 weeks notice (with potential loss of 10 days of pay approx. 3.5 K) ?

If I tell him now, I might be let go either immediately where I will get no $ for next 3 weeks before starting a new job.

I am coming back from my trip on a Thursday and my last day must be Friday b/c the new job is on Monday

If I tell him on that Friday, he could be mad and it looks extremely unprofessional on my part. and it could ruin my reputations as well but If I tell him now and I am let go before my trip, I Loose 10 days of pay approx. 3.5 K (post tax)

What would you do given my situation ?

Note: Companies fire or lay off ppl these days and don't even pay 2 weeks and when my job was outsourced (including my manager's job) , no one got any head's up either...

I am thinking of giving 2 weeks notice and let go that 3.5K/10days of pay in liue of reputation and courtesy - thoughts ?
Companies these days are very, very lawsuit wary. It use to be HR folks talked to each other in code and would convey a lot of information. Now days, even if you were a stellar performer most companies will do little other than say you worked there, your start and finish dates and maybe, just maybe if you initiated the separation or if they initiated it.

I have to extensively interview candidates as past employers are almost universally useless now in terms of vetting a candidate.

Personally I would give them no notice. Their behavior is reprehensible.

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Post by TropikThunder » Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:15 pm

usagi wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:05 pm
Companies these days are very, very lawsuit wary. It use to be HR folks talked to each other in code and would convey a lot of information. Now days, even if you were a stellar performer most companies will do little other than say you worked there, your start and finish dates and maybe, just maybe if you initiated the separation or if they initiated it.

I have to extensively interview candidates as past employers are almost universally useless now in terms of vetting a candidate.

Personally I would give them no notice. Their behavior is reprehensible.
In my experience, one of the standard questions an HR rep will answer is whether the former employee is eligible to be rehired (kind of a blanket thumbs up or thumbs down without getting into any specifics). Quitting without notice means that question gets a "No" and is a red flag that would normally become a hard no since you can't really investigate any further. But I've not been in the hiring position so I don't know what you would do in that situation.

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Post by TropikThunder » Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:18 pm

confusedinvestor wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:04 pm
I joined the outsourced company on Sept 1 and I will be out of country for 7 business days (total 10 days including weekend) and I have only 2 days of accrued PTO (for month of Sept), so I should not be paid for another 5 days.

Based on the BH feedback, I will give notice tomorrow in writing and will request my manager not to lay me off tomorrow (but it can happen b/c the outsourced company is trying to save very penny I was told) and I will request him not to pay for 5 days and use my 2 days of Sept PTO -
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Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:55 pm


I think you're presenting a false choice. If I understand your OP correctly, you are returning on a Thursday from a 10-day trip abroad, and are scheduled to begin at the new company on the following Monday. That suggests the trip will use PTO from your current position, correct? I mean, if you're out of the country and not using PTO you're not getting paid anyway so getting fired won't make any difference. If you give notice the day before you leave, and they fire you on the spot, you'll collect as a payout the PTO that you would have used on the trip anyway, won't you? Fired without cause doesn't usually void a PTO payout but quitting without notice can (state laws vary obviously). So give notice AND still collect the salary as PTO if they fire you.
How would you be at risk of losing 10 days of pay then if they fired you?

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Post by usagi » Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:26 pm

TropikThunder wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:15 pm
usagi wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:05 pm
Companies these days are very, very lawsuit wary. It use to be HR folks talked to each other in code and would convey a lot of information. Now days, even if you were a stellar performer most companies will do little other than say you worked there, your start and finish dates and maybe, just maybe if you initiated the separation or if they initiated it.

I have to extensively interview candidates as past employers are almost universally useless now in terms of vetting a candidate.

Personally I would give them no notice. Their behavior is reprehensible.
In my experience, one of the standard questions an HR rep will answer is whether the former employee is eligible to be rehired (kind of a blanket thumbs up or thumbs down without getting into any specifics). Quitting without notice means that question gets a "No" and is a red flag that would normally become a hard no since you can't really investigate any further. But I've not been in the hiring position so I don't know what you would do in that situation.
To your point, I have not been able to get an HR department to answer the exact question your proffered in over 5 years.

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Post by confusedinvestor » Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:54 pm

If I notify my manager tomorrow and if they say tomorrow is my last day, and I am not joining the new company until 3 weeks from now, I guess I loose 3 weeks of pay at worst.
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How would you be at risk of losing 10 days of pay then if they fired you?

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Post by orhkaf » Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:14 am

Double check your company policy, but at my company unused vacation and personal days are cashed out upon departure from the company or once the calendar year is over.

If this is the case for you then you’ll be able to put in your two weeks, and get paid.

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confusedinvestor wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:46 pm
I am seriously considering this.

I have been looking forward to this trip for last few years to celebrate my home's festivity season - like I haven't been home for Christmas for last 10 years.

I'm split.
indexfundfan wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:36 pm
Cancel the trip. The cost is "only" 1.5k.
Again, I see no need to give them more than what they would give to you or others. Unless you have strong evidence, more than just a hunch, that just leaving will damage your reputation/career, I see no reason not to.

Enjoy the time with your family, and don't look over your shoulder.
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Post by Eagle33 » Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:41 am

How were you able to go on the trip before you got the new job offer? I assume you were taking vacation days? Didn't you already ask for those days off? So close to trip I assume current manager already okayed the time off. Then give your notice before your vacation, count the days of vacation as part of your notice time. Return the Friday after vacation for final exit meeting(s).
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Post by basspond » Fri Sep 20, 2019 4:41 am

Which is more valuable to you?

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Post by MillennialFinance19 » Fri Sep 20, 2019 4:51 am

I gave 3 days notice at my last company - but the relationship was already burned. If you don’t think this will ever come back around in a negative fashion, I’d take your trip and resign when you return. They’ll be fine.

Side note: I think the “reputation” thing gets overstated. I’ve seen people leave on terrible terms (sexual harassment, relationships with subordinates, etc.) and it doesn’t impact them at all. Just my $.02.

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Post by RickBoglehead » Fri Sep 20, 2019 5:04 am

If you provide notice, a company should pay up until the date of departure. If you are on vacation that entire time, they should not be happy unless zero transition time is needed.
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Re: 2 weeks notice or No Notice ? save 3.5K or Reputation ?

Post by celia » Fri Sep 20, 2019 5:30 am

You scheduled a trip without first clearing the dates with your current employer? That would be wrong on your part.

If the trip dates are during the time with your new employer instead, you should have pushed back your start date.

Either way, it seems you made a bad decision and now it is time to do the right thing.

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Post by JBeck » Fri Sep 20, 2019 5:36 am

I would normally say two week but they've already outsourced you

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Post by dcabler » Fri Sep 20, 2019 5:40 am

whodidntante wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:53 pm
Supurdueper wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:37 pm
If you give two weeks notice and they let you go beforehand wouldn’t you be entitled to their severance package and/or unemployment? Check your company’s policy and state laws.
It's an interesting word you chose, entitled.
Why do you find it interesting?
According to vocabulary.com:
"The adjective entitled means you have a legal right to something. If you are entitled to your mother's house when she passes away, that means it's written in her will that she gave it to you."
In this case, if the company's policy and state laws dictate it, then the OP would have a legal right to those benefits.

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Post by dcabler » Fri Sep 20, 2019 5:41 am

I know of more than one person who put in for 2 weeks vacation and gave notice the day before vacation started. It happens.

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Post by snowox » Fri Sep 20, 2019 5:57 am

Always take the high road....Give the two weeks notice

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Post by JoeRetire » Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:06 am

confusedinvestor wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:42 pm
Should I give a 2 weeks notice before leaving a job or just tell my manager on the last day ?
When I was working, my professional reputation was worth a lot.

I always gave the customary notice period. Always. And I was never mistreated because of that.

When I retired, my last work day was on the last day of the company's fiscal year. I was pretty sure I was giving up any bonus, since I wouldn't be around when the bonuses were calculated and distributed a few months later. I was pleasantly surprised to receive my bonus check later in the year.

You get to decide what your reputation is worth. For me, it was a lot.
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Post by dcabler » Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:13 am

JoeRetire wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:06 am
confusedinvestor wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:42 pm
Should I give a 2 weeks notice before leaving a job or just tell my manager on the last day ?
When I was working, my professional reputation was worth a lot.

I always gave the customary notice period. Always. And I was never mistreated because of that.

When I retired, my last work day was on the last day of the company's fiscal year. I was pretty sure I was giving up any bonus, since I wouldn't be around when the bonuses were calculated and distributed a few months later. I was pleasantly surprised to receive my bonus check later in the year.

You get to decide what your reputation is worth. For me, it was a lot.
+1 People tend to have pretty long memories and in many industries you're going to come across the same people over and over again.

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Post by JoeRetire » Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:22 am

dcabler wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:13 am
+1 People tend to have pretty long memories and in many industries you're going to come across the same people over and over again.
I know that was true for me.

Over my career, I worked with many of the same people repeatedly. And I often brought along folks who worked with me at prior companies.

We all know of people of whom we would say "I'd love the chance to work with her/him again." I think it's wise to strive to be one of those people.
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Post by dcabler » Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:40 am

JoeRetire wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:22 am
dcabler wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:13 am
+1 People tend to have pretty long memories and in many industries you're going to come across the same people over and over again.
I know that was true for me.

Over my career, I worked with many of the same people repeatedly. And I often brought along folks who worked with me at prior companies.

We all know of people of whom we would say "I'd love the chance to work with her/him again." I think it's wise to strive to be one of those people.
Exactly! Unfortunately the flipside is also all too common. Those with less than stellar reputations still seem to show up again and again, especially at the higher levels in an organization, as it appears that those that do the hiring aren't really interested in digging deeper before hiring.

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Re: 2 weeks notice or No Notice ? save 3.5K or Reputation ?

Post by Jags4186 » Fri Sep 20, 2019 7:09 am

I’m sort of confused. If your job was outsourced at your current company...what are you doing at your current company? If you know that your job being outsourced means you are going to get let go then just go on the trip and resign upon your return. If your job has been outsourced they aren’t losing anything. If your job has been outsourced they have signaled to you your time is short.

Your reputation has a lot more to do with “did you give 2 weeks notice”. Your reputation speaks to the work you have done and the relationships you have built inside and outside of the company. If you have any role of importance 2 weeks notice as a “courtesy” doesn’t help the employer backfill the position any better than 2 days notice. Anyone who would hold a grudge against you for unfortunate timing of a job offer isn’t someone I would want to keep in my Rolodex of important contacts.

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