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BeanCity wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:07 am I'm curious to hear of any side hustles or passive income strategies that Bogleheads pursue to either supplement their W2 job or eventually not have to work their traditional W2 job. I'm currently 29, have zero debt other than my house, and make a six-figure salary. I have a 50%+ savings rate and enjoy being frugal. I like my job, and intend to continue working for the foreseeable future, but also like the idea of not having to work if I decide 5, 10, 15 years down the line. I am looking for new strategies now to plant the seed, and watch it grow over a 5, 10, 15 year time frame.

Are there bogleheads that can relate to this desire?
Do you have the time and energy to pick up an additional 15 to 20, maybe even 25 hours a week of a side hustle job? Could be evenings and weekends to couple with your regular gig. Could be interesting to find a side hustle that is totally unrelated to your regular job to keep you challenged and mentally fresh by working a different side job. Potential to easily bring in an additional $1000 to $1400 or more per month for the extra hours.
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Marin Katsua is an O&G guy who wrote a heck of a book. I read it twice and met him at a book signing. He is a very smart and nice man. The Colder War made it to #8 on the NY Times bestseller list.
https://www.amazon.com/Colder-War-Globa ... colder+war

I agree with the recommendations to Side Hustle School podcasts. He does have a weird voice but his info is good. Chris Guillebeau has also written some books that you could benefit from. $100 Start Up and Side Hustle.

Pat Flynn has a great story and website SmartPassiveIncome.com His businesses (and his examples of others' businesses) are not really passive but more along the line of doing the work upfront and getting passive income later, like writing books and building websites.

The son of a friend of mine started a dog walking business. He was the dog walker initially. But he built up a great business and delegated the local walking to others. Now he sells franchises of of the business.

Good luck!
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BeanCity wrote: Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:55 pm
techland wrote: Fri Dec 28, 2018 4:39 pm Rental property can be great IF you buy it at the right place, and or right time.

HCOL areas typically have better rental markets (easier to find tenants, better quality tenants, and higher rents). However, it is difficult to capture these benefits when you are starting out. And buying into these markets requires a lot of capital, and even if you have the the capital, your cap rate will be pretty bad starting out.

LCOL areas typically offer better cap rates, easier market entry, and require less capital. The downside of course is that you may have harder time finding tenants, or quality tenants.


The absolute BEST is if you can buy into a LCOL area, that becomes a HCOL area. This is hitting the bulls eye, and in my opinion is what you should be aiming for.

I'm very curious about the people who buy long distance rentals. This is something personally I would be scared to do, because I like to have a firm understanding of the local market/economy etc...I also do much of the maintenance myself. I suppose with a property management company this can work, but I would still be nervous about not being in tune with the area.
Thank you for this response - i find it helpful. Could anyone provide examples of potential LCOL areas becoming HCOL areas? I currently am interested in DFW area, Kansas City, St. Louis, Missouri...places like this. Any expanded response would be appreciated on this topic.
One example is Northeast Minneapolis. Houses that could have been picked up for under $100,000 in 2009-2012 are going for well over $200,000 today. You would have collected 10 years worth of rents and can sell for more than double today.
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I believe there are still opportunities for cash flow and appreciation in Austin, TX. It is in a business friendly state and Austin has a cool reputation with jobs still coming in. You can check out this forum (https://realestateforums.net/t/austin-n ... wn/5795/73) The posters are primarily SF Bay Area based but has a ton of experience and some have holdings in other cities/states.

As for me, I will stick to my local market, the SF Bay Area. It is working out just fine for me so far.
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Financial Samurai has a good blog / article on passive income

https://www.financialsamurai.com/financ ... date-2018/
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MotoTrojan wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:12 am
BeanCity wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:07 am I'm curious to hear of any side hustles or passive income strategies that Bogleheads pursue to either supplement their W2 job or eventually not have to work their traditional W2 job. I'm currently 29, have zero debt other than my house, and make a six-figure salary. I have a 50%+ savings rate and enjoy being frugal. I like my job, and intend to continue working for the foreseeable future, but also like the idea of not having to work if I decide 5, 10, 15 years down the line. I am looking for new strategies now to plant the seed, and watch it grow over a 5, 10, 15 year time frame.

Are there bogleheads that can relate to this desire?
Also curious. I churn bank bonuses and credit cards. In the past 2 months I’ve netted around $3500 after tax.
Can you please elaborate on how to make money by churning ? I thought you could make a few hundred dolllars a year by churning but did not know that you could make a few thousand dollars that way. Can you please elaborate or point me to resources?
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newtoit wrote: Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:22 pm
MotoTrojan wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:12 am
BeanCity wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:07 am I'm curious to hear of any side hustles or passive income strategies that Bogleheads pursue to either supplement their W2 job or eventually not have to work their traditional W2 job. I'm currently 29, have zero debt other than my house, and make a six-figure salary. I have a 50%+ savings rate and enjoy being frugal. I like my job, and intend to continue working for the foreseeable future, but also like the idea of not having to work if I decide 5, 10, 15 years down the line. I am looking for new strategies now to plant the seed, and watch it grow over a 5, 10, 15 year time frame.

Are there bogleheads that can relate to this desire?
Also curious. I churn bank bonuses and credit cards. In the past 2 months I’ve netted around $3500 after tax.
Can you please elaborate on how to make money by churning ? I thought you could make a few hundred dolllars a year by churning but did not know that you could make a few thousand dollars that way. Can you please elaborate or point me to resources?


My goto resource is https://www.doctorofcredit.com/ . Churn brokerage and bank bonuses. Fairly lucrative, not time intensive, and just a little bit of recordkeeping.
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newtoit wrote: Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:22 pm
MotoTrojan wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:12 am
BeanCity wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:07 am I'm curious to hear of any side hustles or passive income strategies that Bogleheads pursue to either supplement their W2 job or eventually not have to work their traditional W2 job. I'm currently 29, have zero debt other than my house, and make a six-figure salary. I have a 50%+ savings rate and enjoy being frugal. I like my job, and intend to continue working for the foreseeable future, but also like the idea of not having to work if I decide 5, 10, 15 years down the line. I am looking for new strategies now to plant the seed, and watch it grow over a 5, 10, 15 year time frame.

Are there bogleheads that can relate to this desire?
Also curious. I churn bank bonuses and credit cards. In the past 2 months I’ve netted around $3500 after tax.
Can you please elaborate on how to make money by churning ? I thought you could make a few hundred dolllars a year by churning but did not know that you could make a few thousand dollars that way. Can you please elaborate or point me to resources?
Cap One Venture - $500 cash bonus
Cap One Savor $500 cash bonus
Chase Sapphire $500 cash bonus
(A few to get you started, then Citi Thankyou, etc.)

Just a few to get you started. Apply for the card, spend minimum, close or convert card before yearly $95 fee is applied. Read up on the 5-24 rule first (google it). Also, monitor your credit score. I would not play this game if your score isn't above 750 or so (if you might need a loan in the near future).
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Blogging.

It's active income, at least the way I do it, but I prefer it to my other day/night job. More fun, less stress.

:beer
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fortfun wrote: Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:17 pm
newtoit wrote: Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:22 pm
MotoTrojan wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:12 am
BeanCity wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:07 am I'm curious to hear of any side hustles or passive income strategies that Bogleheads pursue to either supplement their W2 job or eventually not have to work their traditional W2 job. I'm currently 29, have zero debt other than my house, and make a six-figure salary. I have a 50%+ savings rate and enjoy being frugal. I like my job, and intend to continue working for the foreseeable future, but also like the idea of not having to work if I decide 5, 10, 15 years down the line. I am looking for new strategies now to plant the seed, and watch it grow over a 5, 10, 15 year time frame.

Are there bogleheads that can relate to this desire?
Also curious. I churn bank bonuses and credit cards. In the past 2 months I’ve netted around $3500 after tax.
Can you please elaborate on how to make money by churning ? I thought you could make a few hundred dolllars a year by churning but did not know that you could make a few thousand dollars that way. Can you please elaborate or point me to resources?
Cap One Venture - $500 cash bonus
Cap One Savor $500 cash bonus
Chase Sapphire $500 cash bonus
(A few to get you started, then Citi Thankyou, etc.)

Just a few to get you started. Apply for the card, spend minimum, close or convert card before yearly $95 fee is applied. Read up on the 5-24 rule first (google it). Also, monitor your credit score. I would not play this game if your score isn't above 750 or so (if you might need a loan in the near future).
Definitely be careful on the credit score. Most banks aren’t hard pulls so those bonuses can be a good bonus balance too. I’ve added 10 cards in the last 2 years with most of them in the last few months and saw a 100 point drop from my all time high (also carrying some balances so I expect a good bounce back shortly); yes I got a little carried away but still a good score and no loans on horizon.
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fareastwarriors wrote: Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:53 pm
newtoit wrote: Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:22 pm
MotoTrojan wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:12 am
BeanCity wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:07 am I'm curious to hear of any side hustles or passive income strategies that Bogleheads pursue to either supplement their W2 job or eventually not have to work their traditional W2 job. I'm currently 29, have zero debt other than my house, and make a six-figure salary. I have a 50%+ savings rate and enjoy being frugal. I like my job, and intend to continue working for the foreseeable future, but also like the idea of not having to work if I decide 5, 10, 15 years down the line. I am looking for new strategies now to plant the seed, and watch it grow over a 5, 10, 15 year time frame.

Are there bogleheads that can relate to this desire?
Also curious. I churn bank bonuses and credit cards. In the past 2 months I’ve netted around $3500 after tax.
Can you please elaborate on how to make money by churning ? I thought you could make a few hundred dolllars a year by churning but did not know that you could make a few thousand dollars that way. Can you please elaborate or point me to resources?


My goto resource is https://www.doctorofcredit.com/ . Churn brokerage and bank bonuses. Fairly lucrative, not time intensive, and just a little bit of recordkeeping.
+1. This is the best resource as it includes details on keeping things fee free and what other loop holes there are. I’m now approaching $4K after tax in just 3 months (not a sustainable pace of course).
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BeanCity wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:07 am I'm curious to hear of any side hustles or passive income strategies that Bogleheads pursue to either supplement their W2 job or eventually not have to work their traditional W2 job. I'm currently 29, have zero debt other than my house, and make a six-figure salary. I have a 50%+ savings rate and enjoy being frugal. I like my job, and intend to continue working for the foreseeable future, but also like the idea of not having to work if I decide 5, 10, 15 years down the line. I am looking for new strategies now to plant the seed, and watch it grow over a 5, 10, 15 year time frame.

Are there bogleheads that can relate to this desire?
The Amazon FBA program has a lot to offer and there is TONS of info on it. Look up Joshua Crisp (8 figure seller) for information on private labeling or Watch Me Amazon (8 figure seller) and @fbahustle on Instagram (6 figures part-time) for education on wholesaling.

We flipped items on Amazon for the last year and a half, only averaging about 5 hours of work a month and have made about $10k in that year and a half.
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Six figure salary before 30: you should focus on your career - focus energy and time getting to the next level in that - will pay way more than most side gigs.
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PhysicianOnFIRE wrote: Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:33 pm Blogging.

It's active income, at least the way I do it, but I prefer it to my other day/night job. More fun, less stress.

:beer
-PoF
PoF,
Would you mind sharing how much money one can expect to make off of blogging?
Thanks!
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fortfun wrote: Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:55 pm
PhysicianOnFIRE wrote: Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:33 pm Blogging.

It's active income, at least the way I do it, but I prefer it to my other day/night job. More fun, less stress.

:beer
-PoF
PoF,
Would you mind sharing how much money one can expect to make off of blogging?
Thanks!
There are tons of resources on how to make money from affiliate marketing from blogging. One heavy hitter is Making Sense of Cents. She makes $1,5mil/year from blogging. https://www.makingsenseofcents.com
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fortfun wrote: Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:55 pm
PhysicianOnFIRE wrote: Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:33 pm Blogging.

It's active income, at least the way I do it, but I prefer it to my other day/night job. More fun, less stress.

:beer
-PoF
PoF,
Would you mind sharing how much money one can expect to make off of blogging?
Thanks!
I've seen a breakdown before. >90% earn < $10,000 a year. The top few percent are earning 6 figures and a select few of them make 7 figures.

Most earning 7 figures are working more than full time at it and/or have a team of people making it happen.

:beer
-PoF
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PhysicianOnFIRE wrote: Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:58 pm
fortfun wrote: Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:55 pm
PhysicianOnFIRE wrote: Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:33 pm Blogging.

It's active income, at least the way I do it, but I prefer it to my other day/night job. More fun, less stress.

:beer
-PoF
PoF,
Would you mind sharing how much money one can expect to make off of blogging?
Thanks!
I've seen a breakdown before. >90% earn < $10,000 a year. The top few percent are earning 6 figures and a select few of them make 7 figures.

Most earning 7 figures are working more than full time at it and/or have a team of people making it happen.

:beer
-PoF
Thanks PoF!
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crazycatman wrote: Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:42 pm
fortfun wrote: Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:55 pm
PhysicianOnFIRE wrote: Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:33 pm Blogging.

It's active income, at least the way I do it, but I prefer it to my other day/night job. More fun, less stress.

:beer
-PoF
PoF,
Would you mind sharing how much money one can expect to make off of blogging?
Thanks!
There are tons of resources on how to make money from affiliate marketing from blogging. One heavy hitter is Making Sense of Cents. She makes $1,5mil/year from blogging. https://www.makingsenseofcents.com
Not bad...
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fortfun wrote: Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:17 pm
newtoit wrote: Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:22 pm
MotoTrojan wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:12 am
BeanCity wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:07 am I'm curious to hear of any side hustles or passive income strategies that Bogleheads pursue to either supplement their W2 job or eventually not have to work their traditional W2 job. I'm currently 29, have zero debt other than my house, and make a six-figure salary. I have a 50%+ savings rate and enjoy being frugal. I like my job, and intend to continue working for the foreseeable future, but also like the idea of not having to work if I decide 5, 10, 15 years down the line. I am looking for new strategies now to plant the seed, and watch it grow over a 5, 10, 15 year time frame.

Are there bogleheads that can relate to this desire?
Also curious. I churn bank bonuses and credit cards. In the past 2 months I’ve netted around $3500 after tax.

Can you please elaborate on how to make money by churning ? I thought you could make a few hundred dolllars a year by churning but did not know that you could make a few thousand dollars that way. Can you please elaborate or point me to resources?
Cap One Venture - $500 cash bonus
Cap One Savor $500 cash bonus
Chase Sapphire $500 cash bonus
(A few to get you started, then Citi Thankyou, etc.)

Just a few to get you started. Apply for the card, spend minimum, close or convert card before yearly $95 fee is applied. Read up on the 5-24 rule first (google it). Also, monitor your credit score. I would not play this game if your score isn't above 750 or so (if you might need a loan in the near future).
Thank you. What kind of record keeping is required for this ? I am assuming details of accounts opened. & closed ? Are these bonuses taxable ?
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BeanCity wrote: Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:55 pm
techland wrote: Fri Dec 28, 2018 4:39 pm Rental property can be great IF you buy it at the right place, and or right time.

HCOL areas typically have better rental markets (easier to find tenants, better quality tenants, and higher rents). However, it is difficult to capture these benefits when you are starting out. And buying into these markets requires a lot of capital, and even if you have the the capital, your cap rate will be pretty bad starting out.

LCOL areas typically offer better cap rates, easier market entry, and require less capital. The downside of course is that you may have harder time finding tenants, or quality tenants.


The absolute BEST is if you can buy into a LCOL area, that becomes a HCOL area. This is hitting the bulls eye, and in my opinion is what you should be aiming for.

I'm very curious about the people who buy long distance rentals. This is something personally I would be scared to do, because I like to have a firm understanding of the local market/economy etc...I also do much of the maintenance myself. I suppose with a property management company this can work, but I would still be nervous about not being in tune with the area.
Thank you for this response - i find it helpful. Could anyone provide examples of potential LCOL areas becoming HCOL areas? I currently am interested in DFW area, Kansas City, St. Louis, Missouri...places like this. Any expanded response would be appreciated on this topic.
I'm also looking into Kansas City for real estate investing. My parents live there and I go back a few times a year. I see potential, especially in the downtown area.
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newtoit wrote: Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:08 am
fortfun wrote: Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:17 pm
newtoit wrote: Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:22 pm
MotoTrojan wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:12 am
BeanCity wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:07 am I'm curious to hear of any side hustles or passive income strategies that Bogleheads pursue to either supplement their W2 job or eventually not have to work their traditional W2 job. I'm currently 29, have zero debt other than my house, and make a six-figure salary. I have a 50%+ savings rate and enjoy being frugal. I like my job, and intend to continue working for the foreseeable future, but also like the idea of not having to work if I decide 5, 10, 15 years down the line. I am looking for new strategies now to plant the seed, and watch it grow over a 5, 10, 15 year time frame.

Are there bogleheads that can relate to this desire?
Also curious. I churn bank bonuses and credit cards. In the past 2 months I’ve netted around $3500 after tax.

Can you please elaborate on how to make money by churning ? I thought you could make a few hundred dolllars a year by churning but did not know that you could make a few thousand dollars that way. Can you please elaborate or point me to resources?
Cap One Venture - $500 cash bonus
Cap One Savor $500 cash bonus
Chase Sapphire $500 cash bonus
(A few to get you started, then Citi Thankyou, etc.)

Just a few to get you started. Apply for the card, spend minimum, close or convert card before yearly $95 fee is applied. Read up on the 5-24 rule first (google it). Also, monitor your credit score. I would not play this game if your score isn't above 750 or so (if you might need a loan in the near future).
Thank you. What kind of record keeping is required for this ? I am assuming details of accounts opened. & closed ? Are these bonuses taxable ?
I keep a spreadsheet with headings:
Name of Card, Person Opened (Me or DW),Date Opened, Date to Close, Closed, Used On, Bonus Award Value, Notes.

They do not send a 1099. Cash bonuses are probably to be claimed as income but I doubt anyone does.
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BeanCity wrote: Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:56 pm
AerialWombat wrote: Fri Dec 28, 2018 6:27 pm
BeanCity wrote: Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:48 pm
I find this post to be incredibly helpful. I work in the oil and gas industry, which is extremely volatile as well, and thus makes me want to not put all my eggs in one basket as well.
Let’s explore that.

Could you write a career guide for your industry?

Or a humorous tale of life in the oil fields?

Could you teach an online course? (I have a buddy that works for Tesoro offshore, but has a separate online course about sea floor surveying)

Even more basic, could you teach HAZWOPER 8-hour refresher classes or some other OSHA/MSHA mandated thing for your industry?

What about a job board? I used to know a nuke power guy that started a job board for road warriors in the nuclear refueling biz, and it eventually made him more money than his day job as a radiation sponge (I came from the nuclear world, long ago).

Just some ideas.
I appreciate the response. I like these ideas, however, my goal is to do something that is not related to oil and gas, so that I can eventually peel myself away from it.

Writing a book of some sort related to O&G could be an option at some point in the future. I will think about this more.

I lean toward the idea of something having to do with real estate or something in the realm of websites/blogging.
I work in the same industry and have been spending lots of time working in Spotfire and Power BI just in case. Data Analytics and visualization are going to be huge for a bunch of industries including ours. Learn on the job and blog after work?
Tony
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