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Quitting job - what to do if getting walked to the door

Post by Looking4Answers » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:45 am

DH has had a job offer and plans to give two weeks notice (probably today once he gets formal offer letter). However, he is going to work for a direct competitor to his present employer. He was advised by the person conducting his job interview that under these circumstances there is a strong likelihood that he will immediately be asked to turn in any company property and be walked to the door. We have questions about health insurance, etc., which we will be checking into directly with the insurance company. However, since this is all happening so quickly I would welcome any suggestions as to what he might should do immediately (contacting HR regarding anything pertinent in this situation, etc.) I feel there is a strong likelihood that there may be a scenario that is a cross between leaving today and staying the two full weeks. His immediate supervisor would probably want him to stay the full two weeks, but as news of his leaving moves up the chain of command the "escort to the door" could happen at any time between now and the full two weeks. Any advice is welcome.

A quick search on the Internet give conflicting information as to short term coverage between jobs. Will be researching that more and may post more questions later. Will need to see exactly when his coverage starts with new employer.
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Re: Quitting job - what to do if getting walked to the door

Post by seawolf21 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:48 am

How large is current employer?

COBRA probably applies.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ebsa/about ... compliance

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Post by David Jay » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:50 am

Employee Manual should provide details.

For instance, our employee manual says that an employee is covered through the end of the month when they separate from service.
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Re: Quitting job - what to do if getting walked to the door

Post by Looking4Answers » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:59 am

seawolf21 wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:48 am
How large is current employer?

COBRA probably applies.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ebsa/about ... compliance
Large enough that COBRA should be available. Not sure of ins and outs of when COBRA would be needed, and what coverage we have before we sign up. Have read that it can apply retroactively - will be reading up on that today.

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Post by Watty » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:06 am

Even if they walk him to the door there would be a stop at the HR office where he would get any required notice about his COBRA options so it would be little different than if he works the full two weeks.

On healthcare most companies with more than 50(???) employees are required to offer COBRA coverage, if not then you could get an affordable health care policy at Healthcare.gov

There are lots of details and you need to be proactive on finding out and following all the deadlines but it should not be a big deal.

Depending on when the health insurance would start with the new company then with COBRA it is possible to have a delay in saying that you want COBRA then another delay before you make the first payment so that if you don't actually need it then you just never make the first payment. There are lots of details that you would need to do your own research on how this works. Personally I have just gone on and paid it ASAP without playing the games since I did not want to end up in an emergency room and have there be any question about if I have insurance or not.

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Re: Quitting job - what to do if getting walked to the door

Post by Looking4Answers » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:10 am

David Jay wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:50 am
Employee Manual should provide details.

For instance, our employee manual says that an employee is covered through the end of the month when they separate from service.
Thanks, the manual states: Under the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985 (COBRA), insureds, their spouses and dependent children may be eligible to continue company-provided medical and/or dental coverage for up to 18 additional months. Insured persons eligible for continued healthcare coverage under COBRA will be sent the notice, election form, and information necessary for continuation of benefits to their homes. This information will explain COBRA benefits in greater detail and the monthly cost of continued participation.

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Re: Quitting job - what to do if getting walked to the door

Post by Pajamas » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:11 am

Watty wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:06 am
Even if they walk him to the door there would be a stop at the HR office where he would get any required notice about his COBRA options so it would be little different than if he works the full two weeks.
They can also walk people straight to the door and mail the information.

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Post by runner3081 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:13 am

Watty wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:06 am
Even if they walk him to the door there would be a stop at the HR office where he would get any required notice about his COBRA options so it would be little different than if he works the full two weeks.
COBRA notices are usually mailed these days.

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Post by mmmodem » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:14 am

I can't say for your situation. I'll tell you about mine. I verified our health insurance was covered through the end of the month as long as you are insured on the first. I talked to the health insurance company, not HR.

I made sure I was up to date on all my prescriptions. I stayed late on a Friday and I packed up all my personal effects so no one would see. I gave my two weeks on the Monday after the 1st of the month. Indeed, I was walked out the door. Indeed, we were covered through the end of the month. They did pay me the full two weeks though.

My new employer covered health insurance on day 1 of my work. However, the paperwork to get the whole family insured took two+ weeks to process. The insurance company assured me that it would backdate to the first day of work. My insurance statement does state we was coverage started on that date.

I did encounter some issues because I was hired after next year's open enrollment period. Since I didn't make an election (I wasn't an employee) by October, my health coverage defaulted to just me instead of family in January. This was fixed eventually.

BTW, COBRA was completely use less for us. The payments exceeded our mortgage by a long shot. I'm glad we didn't need it.

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Post by radiowave » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:17 am

They will likely to immediately shut down his email, access to computer, etc. Just FYI
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Re: Quitting job - what to do if getting walked to the door

Post by soccerrules » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:17 am

Looking4Answers wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:45 am
DH has had a job offer and plans to give two weeks notice (probably today once he gets formal offer letter). However, he is going to work for a direct competitor to his present employer. He was advised by the person conducting his job interview that under these circumstances there is a strong likelihood that he will immediately be asked to turn in any company property and be walked to the door. We have questions about health insurance, etc., which we will be checking into directly with the insurance company. However, since this is all happening so quickly I would welcome any suggestions as to what he might should do immediately (contacting HR regarding anything pertinent in this situation, etc.) I feel there is a strong likelihood that there may be a scenario that is a cross between leaving today and staying the two full weeks. His immediately supervisor would probably want him to stay the full two weeks, but as news of his leaving moves up the chain of command the "escort to the door" could happen at any time between now and the full two weeks. Any advice is welcome.

A quick search on the Internet give conflicting information as to short term coverage between jobs. Will be researching that more and may post more questions later. Will need to see exactly when his coverage starts with new employer.
I am assuming because the current company has an HR department it is not a mom/pop shop.

I would go in with the expectation that you provide 2 weeks as a courtesy, but not surprised if they decide today is the last day.
The HR department may/may not meet with DH if today is the last day. If not, more than likely DH will be contacted within 24 hours about appropriate "ending employment" things. I would get a list of questions ready to cover with this person. In my experience this is routine and you probably will not have any issue (pushback) from HR person.
Things that would be on my mind although your employee manual may address these (look there)
1) When does current paid for health coverage end ?
2) Cobra information ? (i believe standard gov't required paperwork given)
3) Payment for unused PTO?
4) Final check date ?
5) Commissions paid ? (cutoff date?)
6) 401K / 457 plan options/ contact info
Again most of this is fairly standard for HR departments and your DH isn't the first employee to leave.

Since your DH is going to a competitor I would look at the non-compete/non-solicitation portion of the employment agreement, etc. You do not have to tell them where you are going, but most of the time it becomes public knowledge within a few weeks/months. It would be wise for your DH to stay away from anything that would violate the Non-compete/non solicitation.Not sure if previous employees have made similar moves, and/or what the leaderships' views on "going to the competitor" are like. Be careful here.
Best of luck on the job change.
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Post by tim1999 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:18 am

He should start cleaning/copying personal files or anything else he wishes to retain off his company computer and cell phone prior to giving notice.

My company also mails the COBRA paperwork whether they walk you out or let you leave on your own on friendly terms.

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Re: Quitting job - what to do if getting walked to the door

Post by Glockenspiel » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:20 am

radiowave wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:17 am
They will likely to immediately shut down his email, access to computer, etc. Just FYI
This. He should do any file organization, cleaning, wiping personal info off of his work computer before he gives notice. Typically they will lock you out during a meeting with HR, while you're not at your desk.

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Post by Jack FFR1846 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:20 am

Bring all physical, personal items out to the car prior to giving notice. When he's walked to the door, there should be nothing left for HR to mail. I've seen people walked out and then co-workers and/or boss putting personal things in boxes that will be FedEx'd to the former employee. Assume this will happen.

For my last job, even pictures and pens were gone when I gave notice. It was at the beginning of the year. I had stopped all 401k and flex spending contributions as of the end of the previous year. I sort of plan it as if I drive into work one day and a meteorite has destroyed the company, leaving nothing but dust.
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Re: Quitting job - what to do if getting walked to the door

Post by Looking4Answers » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:25 am

soccerrules wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:17 am
Looking4Answers wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:45 am
DH has had a job offer and plans to give two weeks notice (probably today once he gets formal offer letter). However, he is going to work for a direct competitor to his present employer. He was advised by the person conducting his job interview that under these circumstances there is a strong likelihood that he will immediately be asked to turn in any company property and be walked to the door. We have questions about health insurance, etc., which we will be checking into directly with the insurance company. However, since this is all happening so quickly I would welcome any suggestions as to what he might should do immediately (contacting HR regarding anything pertinent in this situation, etc.) I feel there is a strong likelihood that there may be a scenario that is a cross between leaving today and staying the two full weeks. His immediately supervisor would probably want him to stay the full two weeks, but as news of his leaving moves up the chain of command the "escort to the door" could happen at any time between now and the full two weeks. Any advice is welcome.

A quick search on the Internet give conflicting information as to short term coverage between jobs. Will be researching that more and may post more questions later. Will need to see exactly when his coverage starts with new employer.
I am assuming because the current company has an HR department it is not a mom/pop shop.

I would go in with the expectation that you provide 2 weeks as a courtesy, but not surprised if they decide today is the last day.
The HR department may/may not meet with DH if today is the last day. If not, more than likely DH will be contacted within 24 hours about appropriate "ending employment" things. I would get a list of questions ready to cover with this person. In my experience this is routine and you probably will not have any issue (pushback) from HR person.
Things that would be on my mind although your employee manual may address these (look there)
1) When does current paid for health coverage end ?
2) Cobra information ? (i believe standard gov't required paperwork given)
3) Payment for unused PTO?
4) Final check date ?
5) Commissions paid ? (cutoff date?)
6) 401K / 457 plan options/ contact info
Again most of this is fairly standard for HR departments and your DH isn't the first employee to leave.

Since your DH is going to a competitor I would look at the non-compete/non-solicitation portion of the employment agreement, etc. You do not have to tell them where you are going, but most of the time it becomes public knowledge within a few weeks/months. It would be wise for your DH to stay away from anything that would violate the Non-compete/non solicitation.Not sure if previous employees have made similar moves, and/or what the leaderships' views on "going to the competitor" are like. Be careful here.
Best of luck on the job change.
Company is large enough to have an HR Department, but it is not physically located at the location where DH works. Non-compete does not seem to be an issue, only confidentiality on company records, processes, etc.

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Post by goingup » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:31 am

My SO is mentally preparing for this possible scenario given a tumultuous takeover environment. These are some things we've considered:

*Be up to date on all expense reports because you may never get back into your office to hunt for receipts.
*Download your phone contact information because you'll be required to turn in a company phone. You can probably port the number though.
*Know what you'll grab to put in that sad bankers box (think go-bag).
*You'll have insurance through the end of the month and likely the option of COBRA after that. It'd be better to leave the first week in May to prevent gaps.
*A company car will be kept on premises. He'll need a ride home.
*Most everything else can be handled by phone I think.

Jumping to a competitor will surely mean he'll be walked out the door. His send-off will likely not be pleasant. Such is the way of business. :|

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Post by Purdue » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:38 am

In addition to what others have said, make sure the formal offer is not contingent upon anything. Given changing laws, background checks these days are often done after the offer is made.

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Post by ddurrett896 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:40 am

Looking4Answers wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:45 am
strong likelihood that he will immediately be asked to turn in any company property and be walked to the door.
The only reason I would ever give a 2 weeks notice is as a courtesy to previous employer. I hate to burn bridges, especially in a career where you're staying in the same line of work. Who knows, they may want you back or a former employee might go work for a 3rd competitor and want to bring you over.

If I thought things would get hostile and I'd be escorted out immediately, I wouldn't put in a 2 week notice.

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Post by cherijoh » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:46 am

mmmodem wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:14 am
I can't say for your situation. I'll tell you about mine. I verified our health insurance was covered through the end of the month as long as you are insured on the first. I talked to the health insurance company, not HR.

I made sure I was up to date on all my prescriptions. I stayed late on a Friday and I packed up all my personal effects so no one would see. I gave my two weeks on the Monday after the 1st of the month. Indeed, I was walked out the door. Indeed, we were covered through the end of the month. They did pay me the full two weeks though.

My new employer covered health insurance on day 1 of my work. However, the paperwork to get the whole family insured took two+ weeks to process. The insurance company assured me that it would backdate to the first day of work. My insurance statement does state we was coverage started on that date.

I did encounter some issues because I was hired after next year's open enrollment period. Since I didn't make an election (I wasn't an employee) by October, my health coverage defaulted to just me instead of family in January. This was fixed eventually.

BTW, COBRA was completely use less for us. The payments exceeded our mortgage by a long shot. I'm glad we didn't need it.
People often misunderstand COBRA. The cost is limited to the total cost of the policy plus a surcharge of up to 2%. So whether or not COBRA is "affordable" depends on how much of the total cost the company was covering. It sounds like your former employer was subsidizing the bulk of the cost.

If anyone is curious about how much their health insurance (just medical not dental, vision, etc.) "costs", they can look at line 12 on their W-2 for an entry labeled DD. My former employer sent out a "total benefits" statement, so I have verified that the amount on line 12 on my W-2 for 2017 equaled the sum of the company's and my contributions.

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Re: Quitting job - what to do if getting walked to the door

Post by soccerrules » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:03 am

Looking4Answers wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:25 am
soccerrules wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:17 am
Looking4Answers wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:45 am
DH has had a job offer and plans to give two weeks notice (probably today once he gets formal offer letter). However, he is going to work for a direct competitor to his present employer. He was advised by the person conducting his job interview that under these circumstances there is a strong likelihood that he will immediately be asked to turn in any company property and be walked to the door. We have questions about health insurance, etc., which we will be checking into directly with the insurance company. However, since this is all happening so quickly I would welcome any suggestions as to what he might should do immediately (contacting HR regarding anything pertinent in this situation, etc.) I feel there is a strong likelihood that there may be a scenario that is a cross between leaving today and staying the two full weeks. His immediately supervisor would probably want him to stay the full two weeks, but as news of his leaving moves up the chain of command the "escort to the door" could happen at any time between now and the full two weeks. Any advice is welcome.

A quick search on the Internet give conflicting information as to short term coverage between jobs. Will be researching that more and may post more questions later. Will need to see exactly when his coverage starts with new employer.
I am assuming because the current company has an HR department it is not a mom/pop shop.

I would go in with the expectation that you provide 2 weeks as a courtesy, but not surprised if they decide today is the last day.
The HR department may/may not meet with DH if today is the last day. If not, more than likely DH will be contacted within 24 hours about appropriate "ending employment" things. I would get a list of questions ready to cover with this person. In my experience this is routine and you probably will not have any issue (pushback) from HR person.
Things that would be on my mind although your employee manual may address these (look there)
1) When does current paid for health coverage end ?
2) Cobra information ? (i believe standard gov't required paperwork given)
3) Payment for unused PTO?
4) Final check date ?
5) Commissions paid ? (cutoff date?)
6) 401K / 457 plan options/ contact info
Again most of this is fairly standard for HR departments and your DH isn't the first employee to leave.

Since your DH is going to a competitor I would look at the non-compete/non-solicitation portion of the employment agreement, etc. You do not have to tell them where you are going, but most of the time it becomes public knowledge within a few weeks/months. It would be wise for your DH to stay away from anything that would violate the Non-compete/non solicitation.Not sure if previous employees have made similar moves, and/or what the leaderships' views on "going to the competitor" are like. Be careful here.
Best of luck on the job change.
Company is large enough to have an HR Department, but it is not physically located at the location where DH works. Non-compete does not seem to be an issue, only confidentiality on company records, processes, etc.
Then I would ask for the right contact person and contact info at the corporate /HR office. They probably have it on a letter containing all the other information your DH will need and may hand it to him upon exit meeting or turning in of laptop/badge/keys etc. It is very common for ex-employees to call the HR department to handle all the aspects of a transition. In my experience non-solicitation is a much bigger concern than non-competes, which includes taking customer lists/company info and most importantly not contacting their customers.
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Post by njdealguy » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:04 am

If this chance of being immediately walked out of the door is due to the person's joining a direct competitor, just wondering why its necessary to even disclose the next place of employment to current employer, something which I've never ever done myself. Unless there is some legal requirement not sure.

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Post by mmmodem » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:07 am

cherijoh wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:46 am
mmmodem wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:14 am
I can't say for your situation. I'll tell you about mine. I verified our health insurance was covered through the end of the month as long as you are insured on the first. I talked to the health insurance company, not HR.

I made sure I was up to date on all my prescriptions. I stayed late on a Friday and I packed up all my personal effects so no one would see. I gave my two weeks on the Monday after the 1st of the month. Indeed, I was walked out the door. Indeed, we were covered through the end of the month. They did pay me the full two weeks though.

My new employer covered health insurance on day 1 of my work. However, the paperwork to get the whole family insured took two+ weeks to process. The insurance company assured me that it would backdate to the first day of work. My insurance statement does state we was coverage started on that date.

I did encounter some issues because I was hired after next year's open enrollment period. Since I didn't make an election (I wasn't an employee) by October, my health coverage defaulted to just me instead of family in January. This was fixed eventually.

BTW, COBRA was completely use less for us. The payments exceeded our mortgage by a long shot. I'm glad we didn't need it.
People often misunderstand COBRA. The cost is limited to the total cost of the policy plus a surcharge of up to 2%. So whether or not COBRA is "affordable" depends on how much of the total cost the company was covering. It sounds like your former employer was subsidizing the bulk of the cost.

If anyone is curious about how much their health insurance (just medical not dental, vision, etc.) "costs", they can look at line 12 on their W-2 for an entry labeled DD. My former employer sent out a "total benefits" statement, so I have verified that the amount on line 12 on my W-2 for 2017 equaled the sum of the company's and my contributions.
Thanks for the information. ACA was less than half the cost of COBRA for us. That's what we would've done to bridge the gap if needed.

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Post by Looking4Answers » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:10 am

njdealguy wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:04 am
If this chance of being immediately walked out of the door is due to the person's joining a direct competitor, just wondering why its necessary to even disclose the next place of employment to current employer, something which I've never ever done myself. Unless there is some legal requirement not sure.
I had made the same comment to him, and he may not volunteer the information. However, in this particular instance, he doesn't actually mind if he gets walked out immediately. He is giving two weeks as a courtesy and wants to "do the right thing". If he is not there another two weeks, fine, but we just want to get all of our ducks in a row.

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Post by dcabler » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:23 am

Looking4Answers wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:10 am
njdealguy wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:04 am
If this chance of being immediately walked out of the door is due to the person's joining a direct competitor, just wondering why its necessary to even disclose the next place of employment to current employer, something which I've never ever done myself. Unless there is some legal requirement not sure.
I had made the same comment to him, and he may not volunteer the information. However, in this particular instance, he doesn't actually mind if he gets walked out immediately. He is giving two weeks as a courtesy and wants to "do the right thing". If he is not there another two weeks, fine, but we just want to get all of our ducks in a row.
+1 In my particular industry, I'd say most people don't give info about where they're going. There was a time that being walked was considered a bad thing, that's changed and most people now consider it to just be some extra time off before starting the next gig.

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Post by DaftInvestor » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:26 am

We have a policy at my company of walking people out the door if they are going to a direct competitor BUT we still pay them and provide them with their benefits for the two weeks as if they are still working for us.
Or course you have the option not to disclose as well.

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Post by 2cents2 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:33 am

Do you have a FSA account with unspent funds? FSA is tied to your last day of employment. (Oddly enough, you can spend the entire amount that you pledged.)

If you have money in your FSA that you haven't spent, you can still get access to it if you continue to make payments through COBRA--but payments are on an after tax basis.



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Post by livesoft » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:33 am

Presumably one has already cleaned up any personal stuff on company computers and cell phones. Also one should have the contact information of everybody that you want to keep in contact with.
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Post by GAAP » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:45 am

The process at my employer would be to walk you out the door -- without allowing you to take any personal items. Two managers would then evaluate the items in the office, box them up, and provide an opportunity to claim them.

As for COBRA, the process here would actual involve a retroactive application once the notification is provided -- there's a time window (a month, I think) that may very well exceed the two weeks. In that case, if there aren't any expenses, you may not actually need COBRA.

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Post by randomizer » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:48 am

This is why it is better to give notice on the 1st of the month and not the 30th. (That way you get health insurance coverage for the whole month.)
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Post by Looking4Answers » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:52 am

DaftInvestor wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:26 am
We have a policy at my company of walking people out the door if they are going to a direct competitor BUT we still pay them and provide them with their benefits for the two weeks as if they are still working for us.
Or course you have the option not to disclose as well.
That would be ideal in this instance. DH is working under "at-will" employment. My guess was that the company would use this to not pay them for remaining time?

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Post by Looking4Answers » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:54 am

2cents2 wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:33 am
Do you have a FSA account with unspent funds? FSA is tied to your last day of employment. (Oddly enough, you can spend the entire amount that you pledged.)

If you have money in your FSA that you haven't spent, you can still get access to it if you continue to make payments through COBRA--but payments are on an after tax basis.



edited to remove link that didn't work..
Good point, I've been working on using up a small balance there.

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Re: Quitting job - what to do if getting walked to the door

Post by dm200 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:54 am

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Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:48 am
This is why it is better to give notice on the 1st of the month and not the 30th. (That way you get health insurance coverage for the whole month.)
Probably true.

Be 100% prepared to BOTH be walked out the door (with a stop at HR) AND NOT be paid anything beyond the day they walk you out.

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Re: Quitting job - what to do if getting walked to the door

Post by DaftInvestor » Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:03 am

Looking4Answers wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:52 am
DaftInvestor wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:26 am
We have a policy at my company of walking people out the door if they are going to a direct competitor BUT we still pay them and provide them with their benefits for the two weeks as if they are still working for us.
Or course you have the option not to disclose as well.
That would be ideal in this instance. DH is working under "at-will" employment. My guess was that the company would use this to not pay them for remaining time?
My company is still "At-Will" but employees and companies still adhere to the 2-weeks notice tradition.
Contrary to popular believe here on Bogleheads most companies aren't inherently evil and will do the right thing. If someone gives two weeks notice most companies, even for at-will employment, will honor the two weeks by paying the employee for the remaining two weeks - even if they walk you out the door. They want prior employees to also feel they weren't mistreated in any way (this is one of the rating criteria on sites such as Glassdoor).

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Re: Quitting job - what to do if getting walked to the door

Post by random_walker_77 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:07 am

Looking4Answers wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:52 am
DaftInvestor wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:26 am
We have a policy at my company of walking people out the door if they are going to a direct competitor BUT we still pay them and provide them with their benefits for the two weeks as if they are still working for us.
Or course you have the option not to disclose as well.
That would be ideal in this instance. DH is working under "at-will" employment. My guess was that the company would use this to not pay them for remaining time?
At-will employment cuts both ways though. If the company is known to terminate upon receiving notice and not pay out the 2 weeks, then IMO, you're no longer obligated to give 2 weeks notice. If they're going to walk you out immediately, but keep paying the 2 weeks, then that's perfectly fair.

It's best to find out ahead of time what the company's policy and/or past behavior has been. And make sure you're prepared for the worst case of immediate termination.

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Re: Quitting job - what to do if getting walked to the door

Post by dcabler » Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:08 am

Looking4Answers wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:52 am
DaftInvestor wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:26 am
We have a policy at my company of walking people out the door if they are going to a direct competitor BUT we still pay them and provide them with their benefits for the two weeks as if they are still working for us.
Or course you have the option not to disclose as well.
That would be ideal in this instance. DH is working under "at-will" employment. My guess was that the company would use this to not pay them for remaining time?
I work in an "at will" state. Every company I've worked for still pays salary for 2 weeks, even if walked. Don't forget about an accrued vacation time as well. And as others have noted, if the last day is after the first of the month, benefits have always continued to the end of the month. YMMV.

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Re: Quitting job - what to do if getting walked to the door

Post by an_asker » Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:18 am

mmmodem wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:07 am
[...]
Thanks for the information. ACA was less than half the cost of COBRA for us. That's what we would've done to bridge the gap if needed.
That is strange. Were you getting comparable benefits and access to doctors? If so, I would think your previous employer was getting ripped off!!

What we pay out of pocket for health insurance (after employer subsidies) is almost as much as a mortgage payment (of course, whether that makes it super expensive or not depends on what our mortgage payment is, of course!)

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Re: Quitting job - what to do if getting walked to the door

Post by dm200 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:21 am

DaftInvestor wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:03 am
Looking4Answers wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:52 am
DaftInvestor wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:26 am
We have a policy at my company of walking people out the door if they are going to a direct competitor BUT we still pay them and provide them with their benefits for the two weeks as if they are still working for us.
Or course you have the option not to disclose as well.
That would be ideal in this instance. DH is working under "at-will" employment. My guess was that the company would use this to not pay them for remaining time?
My company is still "At-Will" but employees and companies still adhere to the 2-weeks notice tradition.
Contrary to popular believe here on Bogleheads most companies aren't inherently evil and will do the right thing. If someone gives two weeks notice most companies, even for at-will employment, will honor the two weeks by paying the employee for the remaining two weeks - even if they walk you out the door. They want prior employees to also feel they weren't mistreated in any way (this is one of the rating criteria on sites such as Glassdoor).
A few decades ago, I worked for a very large "Megacorp" in the IT area. When fellow employees gave two weeks notice, usually they were walked out the door AND that day was considered their last day of pay. This was not the common indstry practice at the time, BUT this employer did it all the time. It came as a shock to some, but once the word got out - employees considered it in their plans. Two weeks pay is very significant. Just be ready..

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Re: Quitting job - what to do if getting walked to the door

Post by bungalow10 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:31 am

He should change his email out of office notice just prior to giving his notice, both internal and external. Just give whatever basic information needed and contact info.... nothing cute.
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Re: Quitting job - what to do if getting walked to the door

Post by samsoes » Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:37 am

Looking4Answers wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:45 am
However, he is going to work for a direct competitor to his present employer. He was advised by the person conducting his job interview that under these circumstances there is a strong likelihood that he will immediately be asked to turn in any company property and be walked to the door.
He shouldn't divulge the new employer's identity when he gives his notice to the current employer.

I've worked with a number of people over the years who didn't disclose the identity of their new employer to anyone.
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Re: Quitting job - what to do if getting walked to the door

Post by TravelforFun » Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:03 am

Does he have a contract with the current employer? If yes, does the contract have a non-compete clause?

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Re: Quitting job - what to do if getting walked to the door

Post by Looking4Answers » Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:06 am

TravelforFun wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:03 am
Does he have a contract with the current employer? If yes, does the contract have a non-compete clause?

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Re: Quitting job - what to do if getting walked to the door

Post by LawyersGunsAndMoney » Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:24 am

Most likely scenario is that HC will continue through end of month, and COBRA docs will either be given to him upon termination or mailed thereafter. Companies can sometimes drag ass on how quickly they mail out COBRA information.

Should consider how soon new employer's healthcare will kick in.

Factor in costs of COBRA coverage vs. adding him to your employer plan or an ACA plan to bridge the gap. Latter 2 will require documentation of his termination of benefits to quality for special enrollment.

If he's healthy, doesn't have any regular medical expenses and new insurance is starting relatively soon - you may want to do nothing and have the option of retro-actively enrolling in COBRA should something arise. In this scenario, good idea to have him complete the COBRA documentation and keep it in an envelope in the worst-case scenario that he suffers some sort of accident in the interim period and is not able to enroll himself.

Other than that - if he gets walked about, be professional about it and then reach out to former colleagues via personal email.

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Re: Quitting job - what to do if getting walked to the door

Post by delamer » Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:25 am

I did not read all of the responses, so apologies if this is repetitious.

If your husband can only access his paystubs and benefit information through the employee Intranet, make sure he has copies of anything relevant before he turns in his resignation.

For instance, if he has vacation pay that he’ll get paid a lump sum for upon resigning then he should print a written copy of his most recent leave statement indicating the number of hours.

That way if he loses access to payroll, benefits, etc. immediately, he will still have documentation.

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Re: Quitting job - what to do if getting walked to the door

Post by snowman » Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:56 am

When I was still in corporate world, I was in both positions - being walked out, as well as walking out my employees. So speaking from experience.

You already received good advice, right on target. I will just offer some additional pointers.

First and foremost, your husband needs to understand company's policy. Generally speaking, it's no secret, and pretty much everyone knows what it is. Then you use that policy to your benefit.

You always try to terminate early in the month for uninterrupted health insurance coverage, even if the new employer begs for you to start tomorrow. Don't worry, they will understand if you explain there is important project you want to finish before you leave etc etc. They will appreciate you are being responsible employee - they know at some point in the future you might leave them, so this gives them confidence they are hiring the right person.

Every major company in the industry I worked in had similar policy - if you go to your direct competitor, you get walked out the door immediately. And everyone knew who was considered "direct competitor" and who wasn't. Most companies were NOT direct competitor. Everyone got paid 2 weeks irregardless. I never heard of that not being the case, but I am sure there is a company somewhere that is an exception to the rule.

Going to direct competitor has its advantages, mostly being able to take unplanned vacation, or being double paid, whichever you prefer. I was walked out twice, and I've done it both ways. First time I went for the money, second time around I chose vacation.

As others have said, if the policy is to escort to the door, then the following rules apply BEFORE you submit your resignation: you clean out your desk of personal items, transfer contacts, personal files etc, clean your PC of all personal stuff, download all 401k statements, paystubs, health policy etc etc. Once you give notice, you don't have access to any of this - you go straight to the door. It's very weird feeling when it happens for the first time!

I wish you and your husband good luck!

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Re: Quitting job - what to do if getting walked to the door

Post by dm200 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:12 pm

I never heard of that not being the case, but I am sure there is a company somewhere that is an exception to the rule.


My employer several decades ago (a megacorp - then and now) was an exception.

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Re: Quitting job - what to do if getting walked to the door

Post by MathIsMyWayr » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:38 pm

A few years ago, some employees left to a direct competitor together. Later that day, there was a group email from a top manager detailing escorting them out because of their jumping to a direct competitor. More recently, there were two occasions in which employees gave a notice without telling where they were going to. In each occasion, they were escorted out the door. Separating immediately may avoid an awkward situation for both - no hard feeling on both parties. I think that is the way companies work in the commercial field. It was somewhat different when I was with a defense company. People moved back and forth among competitors depending on who got big defense contracts. If Hughes lost a big contract to Rockwell, then there was a large movement of people from Hughes to Rockwell. Next year, the tide may reverse. As a courtesy, give a standard two week notice, but be prepared or assume to be shown the door immediately.

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Post by Steelersfan » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:05 pm

Jack FFR1846 wrote:
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Bring all physical, personal items out to the car prior to giving notice. When he's walked to the door, there should be nothing left for HR to mail. I've seen people walked out and then co-workers and/or boss putting personal things in boxes that will be FedEx'd to the former employee. Assume this will happen.
That became standard practice at the large company I worked for the last several years I worked there.

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Re: Quitting job - what to do if getting walked to the door

Post by Captain kangaroo » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:13 pm

Why bother giving two weeks notice?

Pack your stuff bring it to your car, and come back in and say you quit.

Giving two weeks is about not burning bridges and being respectful. This kinda goes out the window though when you're crossing the bridge to join a group of people who want the bridge to burn. Company A won't give a good reference regardless of the two weeks notice because you're joining competition.

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Re: Quitting job - what to do if getting walked to the door

Post by dm200 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:18 pm

Captain kangaroo wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:13 pm
Why bother giving two weeks notice?
Pack your stuff bring it to your car, and come back in and say you quit.
Giving two weeks is about not burning bridges and being respectful. This kinda goes out the window though when you're crossing the bridge to join a group of people who want the bridge to burn. Company A won't give a good reference regardless of the two weeks notice because you're joining competition.
Giving "two weeks notice" is somewhat of a standard and defensible notice - Many employers do want you to stay and most will pay for the time.

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Re: Quitting job - what to do if getting walked to the door

Post by staythecourse » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:21 pm

Great thread.

My advice, is do NOT tell anything to anybody UNTIL you have a contract signed by both parties. Also, review your current contract in regards to restrictive covenants. Otherwise, you will find out very quickly the term "Tortious Interference". That usually ends up in a letter to the new employer and ends up them withdrawing your contract and leaving you with no job.

Good luck.
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