2018 Camry. What's wrong with me?

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2018 Camry. What's wrong with me?

Post by GoldenGoose » Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:31 am

Last weekend I test drove a 2018 Camry. After the drive I walked away feeling numbed. It seemed the new Camry didn't instill any sense of emotions into me. No wows. No oohs. Nothing. It was a nice compliant drive but lacking any connections and excitement. Could it be that I already set up myself for failure by driving to the dealership in a 2001 325ci? I don't know. I wanted to like the new Camry so bad but I just could not do it. What's wrong with me? I am so depressed. :confused

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Post by UpperNwGuy » Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:39 am

You need a new BMW.

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Post by just frank » Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:56 am

You need an EV.

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Post by William4u » Wed Apr 04, 2018 4:34 am

I like the Camry, since it is a reliable, safe, economical, comfortable car. It is not a BMW, which is safe and comfortable but not reliable or economical by comparison. It sounds like you might want an impossible combination of a Camry and a BMW, with all the Camry goodness plus a great driving experience.

You will need to compromise somewhere.

PS- Did you try the V6 Camry, which has a lot more power?

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Post by StevieG72 » Wed Apr 04, 2018 5:09 am

Do not be alarmed, the BMW set you up for failure.

This can be overcome! Drive around a beater for 6 months. No AC, aftermarket radio from 1990, squeeling belts when you start it, car diesals for a solid minute after turning it off, seats feel like bleachers, manual everything etc.

Then go drive the Camry and it will knock your socks off!
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Post by DaftInvestor » Wed Apr 04, 2018 5:29 am

Two nights ago I ate at Capital Grill and last night I ate at Applebees. For some reason Applebees didn't excite me - something wrong with me?
Applebees is designed to provide a good reliable family meal at a good value. Capital Grill is designed to provide an experience - it should be no surprise that Applebees won't excite me if I typically eat at Capital Grill.

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Post by Cyclesafe » Wed Apr 04, 2018 5:34 am

Camry is transportation. It's not supposed to also excite you. Kinda like your mom.
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Post by munemaker » Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:23 am

GoldenGoose wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:31 am
It seemed the new Camry didn't instill any sense of emotions into me. ...I am so depressed. :confused
I don't think a Camry is anything to get emotional about. People buy these for economical, comfortable, reliable & safe transportation for their families, not to hot-rod around in.

The nice thing is there are a lot of choices in the automobile market, so nothing to get depressed about. Buy something you like.

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Post by jpohio » Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:29 am

Try the 2018 Accord.

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Post by beardsworth » Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:34 am

GoldenGoose wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:31 am
wows . . . oohs . . . a nice compliant drive . . . connections . . . excitement.
Those are the kinds of qualities one expects, or at least hopes for, in a human spouse. :)

A car is for reliable transportation in reasonably pleasant surroundings. The money saved by buying a car like a Camry, instead of something costing twice or three times more, is for early retirement.

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Post by alpaca1 » Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:35 am

If you're comparing a Camry to a BMW 3 series this is apples to oranges.

Coming from a guy who has gone through many cars over the years I'd have to say that no matter the cost you need the vehicle that brings out the emotions that you desire. If you don't, you will just sit there and think about that other car over the next few years while sitting in traffic, or you will stare when it goes by. Don't be that guy.

Don't believe in any of the practicality or frugality stuff that people will tell you here. (Unless you are broke or you absolutely need the utility).

People who are not car people will not understand.
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Post by Watty » Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:36 am

GoldenGoose wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:31 am
What's wrong with me?
Carseats?

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Post by GoldenGoose » Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:43 am

jpohio wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:29 am
Try the 2018 Accord.
I am afraid so.

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Post by dm200 » Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:52 am

GoldenGoose wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:31 am
Last weekend I test drove a 2018 Camry. After the drive I walked away feeling numbed. It seemed the new Camry didn't instill any sense of emotions into me. No wows. No oohs. Nothing. It was a nice compliant drive but lacking any connections and excitement. Could it be that I already set up myself for failure by driving to the dealership in a 2001 325ci? I don't know. I wanted to like the new Camry so bad but I just could not do it. What's wrong with me? I am so depressed. :confused
Old age or mid-life crisis

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Post by GoldenGoose » Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:59 am

UpperNwGuy wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:39 am
You need a new BMW.
Nah I am done with BMW. They are too expensive to own. Maybe the better alternative is to buy a new Camry, take my old BMW and smash them together to get a Bamwry. :D

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Post by coupleofcents » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:02 am

No car excites me. I suggest looking for excitement somewhere else.

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Post by GoldenGoose » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:03 am

alpaca1 wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:35 am
If you're comparing a Camry to a BMW 3 series this is apples to oranges.

Coming from a guy who has gone through many cars over the years I'd have to say that no matter the cost you need the vehicle that brings out the emotions that you desire. If you don't, you will just sit there and think about that other car over the next few years while sitting in traffic, or you will stare when it goes by. Don't be that guy.

Don't believe in any of the practicality or frugality stuff that people will tell you here. (Unless you are broke or you absolutely need the utility).

People who are not car people will not understand.
If I followed you advise I would be looking for a Porsche 911 turbo. Ah that's THE car!

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Post by GoldenGoose » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:05 am

coupleofcents wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:02 am
No car excites me. I suggest looking for excitement somewhere else.
Between car payments vs alimony payments, I think I'd take the former.

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Post by JBTX » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:08 am

A couple of years ago I rented a Camry for a long trip. It served its purpose perfectly well. But I agree it isn’t something you fall in love with, compared with something like even an Avalon.

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Post by GoldenGoose » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:09 am

just frank wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:56 am
You need an EV.
Seriously I would buy something like a tesla model 3 if it costs the same as a camry. Paying 30k or more for a car is not in my plan.

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Post by shawndoggy » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:12 am

I recently testdrove the mazda 6 and walked away feeling the same way. Really wanted to fall in love with a sporty sedan that gets great mileage but left feeling like "eh, that'd be a competent rental car." ugh.

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Post by Broken Man 1999 » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:18 am

coupleofcents wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:02 am
No car excites me. I suggest looking for excitement somewhere else.
Be careful where you seek that excitement, at least a Camry won't take 50% of your portfolio when you break up!

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Post by NotWhoYouThink » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:26 am

What a relief to read your post. I was afraid you were going to say you found the Camry exciting, and that would have been something to worry about.

Now that you have driven the Camry, try a Mazda. It's not a BMW, but it's less boring than a Camry, and quite reliable.

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Post by junior » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:28 am

GoldenGoose wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:31 am
Last weekend I test drove a 2018 Camry. After the drive I walked away feeling numbed. It seemed the new Camry didn't instill any sense of emotions into me. No wows. No oohs. Nothing. It was a nice compliant drive but lacking any connections and excitement. Could it be that I already set up myself for failure by driving to the dealership in a 2001 325ci? I don't know. I wanted to like the new Camry so bad but I just could not do it. What's wrong with me? I am so depressed. :confused
5 year true cost to own of BMW 3 series is $68,572 according to Edmunds.com. The Camry cost is 37,070.

Does $31,502 + a Camry excite you more than a BMW?

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Post by TinyElvis » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:34 am

NotWhoYouThink wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:26 am
Now that you have driven the Camry, try a Mazda. It's not a BMW, but it's less boring than a Camry, and quite reliable.
My 2004 Mazda3 hatchback still has the zoom zoom. The new ones look very sharp and are very reasonably priced.

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Post by dm200 » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:37 am

Almost 50 years ago, I learned a hard lesson - NEVER fall in love with a car. You can end up with a broken heart - I did.

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Post by Ron » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:39 am

That's why I have two cars, one for my body - one for my soul.

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Post by jebmke » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:46 am

We just ought a 2018 Camry Hybrid in December for my spouse. I don't expect to be wowed by a car. I expect reliable, safe and efficient transportation. This seems to do the job although the dashboard and all the safety bells and whistles are very distracting. There is always something flashing at you or beeping. Fortunately most of them can be shut off.
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Post by just frank » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:53 am

GoldenGoose wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:09 am
just frank wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:56 am
You need an EV.
Seriously I would buy something like a tesla model 3 if it costs the same as a camry. Paying 30k or more for a car is not in my plan.
The Bolt is about $30k after GM discounts and tax rebate. If you can get past the Dork exterior, its a blast to drive.

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Post by cutterinnj » Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:04 am

Try a Lexus.
Fractionally more than the Camry, but very nice to drive

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Post by bloom2708 » Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:06 am

cutterinnj wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:04 am
Try a Lexus.
Fractionally more than the Camry, but very nice to drive
+1 for a Lexus. Toyota luxury brand, more zing.

I also like the EV idea. Driving an all electric offers a new experience.
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Post by rayson » Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:09 am

Camry is sort of like a 3-fund portfolio. Boring but works and is reliable. Cheers :beer

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Post by alfaspider » Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:29 am

just frank wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:53 am
GoldenGoose wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:09 am
just frank wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:56 am
You need an EV.
Seriously I would buy something like a tesla model 3 if it costs the same as a camry. Paying 30k or more for a car is not in my plan.
The Bolt is about $30k after GM discounts and tax rebate. If you can get past the Dork exterior, its a blast to drive.
Eh, "blast" is a bit of an exaggeration. It's a bit more lively than a Camry, but let's not kid ourselves and pretend it's a sports car.

To the OP: I'm not sure why you expected to find a Camry fun to drive? They are great cars if you are just looking for something comfortable, economical, and reliable, but nobody in their right mind has ever called a Camry fun. May I suggest a hot hatch like the VW GTI or Subaru WRX/STI if you are looking for a 4-door in the $30k range with a bit more driving engagement?

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Post by El Greco » Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:32 am

If you're looking for a fun "driver's car" look elsewhere than Toyota and Lexus. Though very reliable, I've always found them to be a quite boring and staid driving experiences. As mentioned before, If you want a practical, reliable sedan that's a bit more fun and has some driving dynamics, try a Honda Accord or the 2018 Mazda 6 coming out soon with turbo.

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Post by Texanbybirth » Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:34 am

Did you test drive the V6 or the 4-banger? I'd expect quite a different drive between the two - try the V6 XSE. Or a 2018 Honda Accord Touring 2.0T.

And like another poster pointed out, give me the Camry and the $31k cash difference from a BMW please! :beer

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Post by parsi1 » Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:35 am

bloom2708 wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:06 am
cutterinnj wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:04 am
Try a Lexus.
Fractionally more than the Camry, but very nice to drive
+1 for a Lexus. Toyota luxury brand, more zing.

I also like the EV idea. Driving an all electric offers a new experience.
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Post by edgeagg » Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:38 am

In jest: You need a car wife (Camry) and a car mistress (BMW/Tesla/....).

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Post by Dottie57 » Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:44 am

After driving a 1980's Honda Civic rust bucket and then a Chevy Nova, I found a 1992 Camry V6 Very exciting to drive! All in the comparison.

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Post by runner3081 » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:18 am

There is a reason it is called America's Most Boring Car.

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Post by NotWhoYouThink » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:24 am

TinyElvis wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:34 am
NotWhoYouThink wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:26 am
Now that you have driven the Camry, try a Mazda. It's not a BMW, but it's less boring than a Camry, and quite reliable.
My 2004 Mazda3 hatchback still has the zoom zoom. The new ones look very sharp and are very reasonably priced.
DH has his BMW, but if he has to drive my 2014 Mazda 3 Grand Touring hatchback with the paddle shifters he at least doesn't whine. Now my mom's CRV makes him sad. But I can't remember that it has ever had any unscheduled maintenance.

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Post by dknightd » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:35 am

GoldenGoose wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:31 am
Last weekend I test drove a 2018 Camry. After the drive I walked away feeling numbed. It seemed the new Camry didn't instill any sense of emotions into me. No wows. No oohs. Nothing. It was a nice compliant drive but lacking any connections and excitement. Could it be that I already set up myself for failure by driving to the dealership in a 2001 325ci? I don't know. I wanted to like the new Camry so bad but I just could not do it. What's wrong with me? I am so depressed. :confused
The new Camry is probably faster then you old bmw
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Post by Leesbro63 » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:39 am

Funny. I got an '18 Camry as a rental car recently and was totally impressed at the improvements. Particularly they lowered the center console for more leg-movement room side to side. Dollar for dollar a Camry with a standard option package seems like a great deal/value/quality.

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Post by ChasingSirens » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:52 am

How about a Subaru WRX? It has 4 doors, is sporty, reliable, and practical. Also, Subaru is part-owned by Toyota.

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Post by unclescrooge » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:54 am

cutterinnj wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:04 am
Try a Lexus.
Fractionally more than the Camry, but very nice to drive
Also consider Acura.

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dknightd wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:35 am
GoldenGoose wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:31 am
Last weekend I test drove a 2018 Camry. After the drive I walked away feeling numbed. It seemed the new Camry didn't instill any sense of emotions into me. No wows. No oohs. Nothing. It was a nice compliant drive but lacking any connections and excitement. Could it be that I already set up myself for failure by driving to the dealership in a 2001 325ci? I don't know. I wanted to like the new Camry so bad but I just could not do it. What's wrong with me? I am so depressed. :confused
The new Camry is probably faster then you old bmw
go visit http://forum.e46fanatics.com/
Fast isn't the same thing as fun to drive though. The original Porsche 911 had around 120hp and a 0-60 time of over 8 seconds. It was slower than most minivans today. But I know I'd have a lot more fun in a classic 911 than a minivan. Cars have gotten quicker, but less engaging as the driver gets more and more disconnected from the car itself. In fact, Road and Track did a test where they compared a Honda Odyssey to a classic Corvette (c2) on an autocross course. The Honda won handily.

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Post by HomerJ » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:57 am

Buy the Camry, and then get a boat/jetski/motorcycle

:)

But seriously, you decide what's right for you.

I drive a Honda Civic, and I get my excitement elsewhere with all the money I save. Spending an extra twenty thousand dollars to be "excited" driving to work each day seems completely and utterly foreign to me.

But if you're a car person, you're going to have to pay to get excitement.

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Post by midareff » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:57 am

I rented a Camry a few years ago for a trip from Asheville into the NC mountains for a few days. Served its purpose as utilitarian transportation. Same with a Maxima a couple years earlier. Would I buy either for my daily use .. nope.

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Post by BeautifulDisaster » Wed Apr 04, 2018 11:02 am

You don't buy a Camry for a 'wow' factor, you buy it to keep the Benjamins in your pocket.
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Post by FireSekr » Wed Apr 04, 2018 11:04 am

GoldenGoose wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:31 am
Last weekend I test drove a 2018 Camry. After the drive I walked away feeling numbed. It seemed the new Camry didn't instill any sense of emotions into me. No wows. No oohs. Nothing. It was a nice compliant drive but lacking any connections and excitement. Could it be that I already set up myself for failure by driving to the dealership in a 2001 325ci? I don't know. I wanted to like the new Camry so bad but I just could not do it. What's wrong with me? I am so depressed. :confused
Nothing...The camry has always been a snooze fest. Its a car designed for those with no pulse and no common sense. There are better cars for the same price and the Camry has no competitive advantage other than its reputation. They tried to fix that with the 2018 model, but obviously haven't gone far enough. The styling is more interesting than it ever has been, but not necessarily better

The Accord and Mazda 6 are both more fun and have better interiors. The Ford Fusion drives better but has a cheap interior and poor control layout. Nissan Altima doesn't drive great but has excellent seats

If you're expecting any modern car to feel like your E46, don't count on it, not even BMW has that level of steering feel anymore. You can come close though. I was out at BMW's performance driving center west in thermal last week and spent a day on the track with the M240 and 340i msport. The F30 generation of the 3 series has been criticized for not being as sharp as older 3-series cars. I must say, while it's not as good as older ones, its still pretty damn good. They've made a lot of improvements since it was introduced in 2012. I remember driving the 2012 and feeling like it drove like a Camry. The 2014 suspension improvements were helpful making the suspension feel more planted mid corner, but still wasn't where i'd like. Seems like BMW made even more improvements since 2014 suspension updates and the 2018 model certainly has more steering feel than any F30 i've driven in the past.

The M240 was a lot more fun though than the 340. If you don't need 4 doors, get an M240 or M2.

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GoldenGoose wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:31 am
Last weekend I test drove a 2018 Camry. After the drive I walked away feeling numbed. It seemed the new Camry didn't instill any sense of emotions into me. No wows. No oohs. Nothing. It was a nice compliant drive but lacking any connections and excitement. Could it be that I already set up myself for failure by driving to the dealership in a 2001 325ci? I don't know. I wanted to like the new Camry so bad but I just could not do it. What's wrong with me? I am so depressed. :confused
Yeah I can't believe people paying that much for a Camry. It's worth about $12-14k, not $25-30k based on what it does - get you from point A to point B.

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