Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

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Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by markcoop » Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:50 pm

Deciding between these 3 payment options to buy new car:
1) Pay full amount - get $750 discount
2) 0% 36 months - no discount
3) 0.9% 60 months - no discount

Assuming I can afford either option, which do you think is best?

I believe the answer lies in what interest rate I can get for the money I am holding. In case 1, I earn a small amount of interest on the $750 saved. In case 2, it's just the balance of the loan times the interest rate for each period. In case 3, it's the balance of the loan times the interest rate for each period minus the interest paid. Plugging in some numbers into a spread sheet, at a low interest rate (roughly below 1.5%) option 1 is best, at a middle interest rate (around 2%) option 2 is best and at a higher interest rate (roughly above 2.5%) option 3 is best.

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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by John Z » Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:06 pm

My question is: what is the full amount price (not in dollars but is it the final negotiated price, sticker price, invoice price, etc.)? If you have already rec'd what you consider the lowest price that you could get I think you should get at least $1000 discount assuming a mid-priced model. More if this is the sticker or so called invoice price. It's always nice to think about the money you'd make by not paying cash but chances are you would use the money for other items along the way. By paying cash you cannot use those dollars for other things.

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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by FiveK » Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:07 pm

markcoop wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:50 pm
I believe the answer lies in what interest rate I can get for the money I am holding.
I believe you are correct. Gaze into your crystal ball, and....

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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by Jags4186 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:13 pm

Pay in full. This is 100% psychology.

Let's say you take out a 60 month loan on a $30k car at 0%. That's $500/mo. $500 a month is easy to swallow when the car is brand new. But $500/mo when the car is 4.5 years old, a few things start to break, you need to put tires on it, brakes need to be done, it's not as shiny anymore and the new car smell has worn off makes you start thinking "gee for $500/mo I could be driving a lot nicer car." Next thing you know you have a brand new car.

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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by inbox788 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:40 pm

How much is the car? Answer may be different for $10k vs $75k.

750/10k = 7.5%, 750/75k = 1%, 750/25k = 3%

For most balances, 0% for 36 months is likely the best answer.

Also, 0.9% x 5 years / 2 = 2.25% (total interest over linear estimate average balance). Around 1.5%+ this one might be the better long term deal.
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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by markcoop » Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:53 pm

inbox788 wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:40 pm
How much is the car? Answer may be different for $10k vs $75k.

750/10k = 7.5%, 750/75k = 1%, 750/24k = 3%

For most balances, 0% for 36 months is likely the best answer.

Also, 0.9% x 5 years / 2 = 2.25% (total interest over linear estimate average balance).
Around $30,000.

Not sure I understand what's the total interest over linear estimate average balance and how I would use it.
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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by inbox788 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:05 pm

markcoop wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:53 pm
inbox788 wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:40 pm
How much is the car? Answer may be different for $10k vs $75k.

750/10k = 7.5%, 750/75k = 1%, 750/24k = 3%

For most balances, 0% for 36 months is likely the best answer.

Also, 0.9% x 5 years / 2 = 2.25% (total interest over linear estimate average balance).
Around $30,000.

Not sure I understand what's the total interest over linear estimate average balance and how I would use it.
It's a simple interest calculation estimate. $691 interest/ $30k = 2.3% over the total life of the loan (5 years). This is your cost that you subtract from whatever your alternate investment total turns out to be. And in case where $750 cash, you add interest earned and add it to your total gains. Begin with $30k in a savings account and see how taking money out and putting it back into the savings account each month for 5 years changes based on your 3 choices. It's easy to figure out if savings account earns 0%. Try 5% and see that option 3 should be best. Around 1-2% it's about the same all around.

https://www.google.com/search?q=car+loan+calculator
Loan amount

30,000
$
Interest rate (%)

0.9
Loan period (months)

60
Total cost of car loan$30,691
Monthly payments$512

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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by Tal- » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:14 pm

There aren't any bad options here.

Mathematically, you only need to return something like 1.3% to break even on a 750 discount after 3 years, or 1.6% for the five year option. This better than treasury bonds (~2.5%) and is lower than the expected returns from a diversified portfolio.

With that said, I would happily take the $750 discount and pay cash. I tend to be open to debt, and even a fan of debt arbitrage in some situations like this - but I'd opt for the simplicity, peace of mind, and even pride that comes with simply owning the car outright.

My two cents.
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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by soccerrules » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:21 pm

I support #1 for these reasons from previous posts.

Pay in full. This is 100% psychology.
Let's say you take out a 60 month loan on a $30k car at 0%. That's $500/mo. $500 a month is easy to swallow when the car is brand new. But $500/mo when the car is 4.5 years old, a few things start to break, you need to put tires on it, brakes need to be done, it's not as shiny anymore and the new car smell has worn off makes you start thinking "gee for $500/mo I could be driving a lot nicer car." Next thing you know you have a brand new car.


With that said, I would happily take the $750 discount and pay cash. ......... but I'd opt for the simplicity, peace of mind, and even pride that comes with simply owning the car outright.
Don't let your outflow exceed your income or your upkeep will be your downfall.

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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by JoeRetire » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:21 pm

markcoop wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:50 pm
Deciding between these 3 payment options to buy new car:
1) Pay full amount - get $750 discount
2) 0% 36 months - no discount
3) 0.9% 60 months - no discount

Assuming I can afford either option, which do you think is best?
"Best" is contextual. Don't decide any significant financial move in a vacuum.
Consider:

How much available cash do you have?
If withdrawing the $30k brings you to zero, you might get a different answer than if you have $2M.

If you will be withdrawing from invested funds, what rate are you currently getting?
If you get 6-7% on those investments, you might get a different answer than if you get 0.1-1%.

How long will you keep the car?
If you purchase a new car every 2 years, you might get a different answer than if you drive your cars until they die.

How debt averse are you?
If any debt leaves you lying awake sweating at night, you might get a different answer than if you often make moderate-risk investments and sleep well.

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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by mega317 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:28 pm

And even when the math isn't strictly in favor of the loan, there are situations where additional liquidity could be worth paying a small premium for. I believe I have posted recently that when I bought a car I took out a cheap loan because I expected in the next few years a job change, move, and pregnancy. Fortunately all of those have now happened without significant hiccups, so I might pay the loan. Of course I can now beat the rate with risk-free investments so I might do that instead.

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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by quantAndHold » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:39 pm

Running time value of money calculations using a 1.5% interest rate for alternative investments, and a $30,000 car gives this...
  • cash - $29,250
  • 0% interest, 36 months - $29,317
  • 0.9% interest, 60 months - $29,551
Higher interest rates, of course, favor taking a loan. At 2%, the best deal is the 0%, 36 month loan. At 2.5% and above, the 0.9%, 60 month loan becomes the best.

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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by nura » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:16 pm

markcoop wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:50 pm
3) 0.9% 60 months - no discount
I would go with the third option for two reasons:
1) Liquidity: even if you have can pay off the car in cash today, you don't have to sell it if you ran out of cashflow to pay for essentials like food and shelter in the next 5 years.
2) Plenty of investments that will return 0.9% after taxes if you hold them for 5 years.

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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by TSR » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:18 pm

Assuming there are no prepayment penalties, this would be a cash-flow question for me. I could afford to buy a $25,000 car outright, but it would deplete my emergency fund to a level I would not feel great about. So perhaps I would take the 5-year loan, allowing me an extremely leisurely repayment schedule. I'd use that "leisure" to rebuild my savings, then I'd pay the whole thing off after six months or so. YMMV -- sounds like a lot of good options.

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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by inbox788 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:05 pm

Based on returns, 2% is about the break even point of indifference.
0% return, $750 vs. $0 vs. -$691
1%, $788 vs. $481 vs. $79
2%, $828 vs. 1001 vs. $902
5% $962 vs. 2817 vs. 3714

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Savings	Loan	Payment	Month		Savings	Loan	Payment	Month		Savings	Loan	Payment	Month
$750.00	0		0		$30,000.00	30000	833.33	0		$30,000.00	30000	511.52	0
$750.00			1		$29,166.67	29166.67	833.33	1		$29,488.48	$29,510.98	511.52	1
$750.00			2		$28,333.34	28333.34	833.33	2		$28,976.96	$29,021.59	511.52	2
$750.00			3		$27,500.01	27500.01	833.33	3		$28,465.44	$28,531.84	511.52	3
$750.00			4		$26,666.68	26666.68	833.33	4		$27,953.92	$28,041.72	511.52	4
$750.00			5		$25,833.35	25833.35	833.33	5		$27,442.40	$27,551.23	511.52	5
$750.00			6		$25,000.02	25000.02	833.33	6		$26,930.88	$27,060.37	511.52	6
$750.00			7		$24,166.69	24166.69	833.33	7		$26,419.36	$26,569.15	511.52	7
$750.00			8		$23,333.36	23333.36	833.33	8		$25,907.84	$26,077.56	511.52	8
$750.00			9		$22,500.03	22500.03	833.33	9		$25,396.32	$25,585.59	511.52	9
$750.00			10		$21,666.70	21666.7	833.33	10		$24,884.80	$25,093.26	511.52	10
$750.00			11		$20,833.37	20833.37	833.33	11		$24,373.28	$24,600.56	511.52	11
$750.00			12		$20,000.04	20000.04	833.33	12		$23,861.76	$24,107.49	511.52	12
$750.00			13		$19,166.71	19166.71	833.33	13		$23,350.24	$23,614.05	511.52	13
$750.00			14		$18,333.38	18333.38	833.33	14		$22,838.72	$23,120.24	511.52	14
$750.00			15		$17,500.05	17500.05	833.33	15		$22,327.20	$22,626.06	511.52	15
$750.00			16		$16,666.72	16666.72	833.33	16		$21,815.68	$22,131.51	511.52	16
$750.00			17		$15,833.39	15833.39	833.33	17		$21,304.16	$21,636.59	511.52	17
$750.00			18		$15,000.06	15000.06	833.33	18		$20,792.64	$21,141.30	511.52	18
$750.00			19		$14,166.73	14166.73	833.33	19		$20,281.12	$20,645.64	511.52	19
$750.00			20		$13,333.40	13333.4	833.33	20		$19,769.60	$20,149.60	511.52	20
$750.00			21		$12,500.07	12500.07	833.33	21		$19,258.08	$19,653.19	511.52	21
$750.00			22		$11,666.74	11666.74	833.33	22		$18,746.56	$19,156.41	511.52	22
$750.00			23		$10,833.41	10833.41	833.33	23		$18,235.04	$18,659.26	511.52	23
$750.00			24		$10,000.08	10000.08	833.33	24		$17,723.52	$18,161.73	511.52	24
$750.00			25		$9,166.75	9166.75	833.33	25		$17,212.00	$17,663.84	511.52	25
$750.00			26		$8,333.42	8333.42	833.33	26		$16,700.48	$17,165.56	511.52	26
$750.00			27		$7,500.09	7500.09	833.33	27		$16,188.96	$16,666.92	511.52	27
$750.00			28		$6,666.76	6666.76	833.33	28		$15,677.44	$16,167.90	511.52	28
$750.00			29		$5,833.43	5833.43	833.33	29		$15,165.92	$15,668.50	511.52	29
$750.00			30		$5,000.10	5000.1	833.33	30		$14,654.40	$15,168.73	511.52	30
$750.00			31		$4,166.77	4166.77	833.33	31		$14,142.88	$14,668.59	511.52	31
$750.00			32		$3,333.44	3333.44	833.33	32		$13,631.36	$14,168.07	511.52	32
$750.00			33		$2,500.11	2500.11	833.33	33		$13,119.84	$13,667.18	511.52	33
$750.00			34		$1,666.78	1666.78	833.33	34		$12,608.32	$13,165.91	511.52	34
$750.00			35		$833.45	833.45	833.33	35		$12,096.80	$12,664.26	511.52	35
$750.00			36		$0.12	0.12		36		$11,585.28	$12,162.24	511.52	36
$750.00			37		$0.12			37		$11,073.76	$11,659.84	511.52	37
$750.00			38		$0.12			38		$10,562.24	$11,157.07	511.52	38
$750.00			39		$0.12			39		$10,050.72	$10,653.92	511.52	39
$750.00			40		$0.12			40		$9,539.20	$10,150.39	511.52	40
$750.00			41		$0.12			41		$9,027.68	$9,646.48	511.52	41
$750.00			42		$0.12			42		$8,516.16	$9,142.19	511.52	42
$750.00			43		$0.12			43		$8,004.64	$8,637.53	511.52	43
$750.00			44		$0.12			44		$7,493.12	$8,132.49	511.52	44
$750.00			45		$0.12			45		$6,981.60	$7,627.07	511.52	45
$750.00			46		$0.12			46		$6,470.08	$7,121.27	511.52	46
$750.00			47		$0.12			47		$5,958.56	$6,615.09	511.52	47
$750.00			48		$0.12			48		$5,447.04	$6,108.53	511.52	48
$750.00			49		$0.12			49		$4,935.52	$5,601.59	511.52	49
$750.00			50		$0.12			50		$4,424.00	$5,094.27	511.52	50
$750.00			51		$0.12			51		$3,912.48	$4,586.57	511.52	51
$750.00			52		$0.12			52		$3,400.96	$4,078.49	511.52	52
$750.00			53		$0.12			53		$2,889.44	$3,570.03	511.52	53
$750.00			54		$0.12			54		$2,377.92	$3,061.19	511.52	54
$750.00			55		$0.12			55		$1,866.40	$2,551.97	511.52	55
$750.00			56		$0.12			56		$1,354.88	$2,042.36	511.52	56
$750.00			57		$0.12			57		$843.36	$1,532.37	511.52	57
$750.00			58		$0.12			58		$331.84	$1,022.00	511.52	58
$750.00			59		$0.12			59		-$179.68	$511.25	511.52	59
$750.00			60		$0.12			60		-$691.20	$0.11	511.52	60

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Savings	Loan	Payment	Month		Savings	Loan	Payment	Month		Savings	Loan	Payment	Month
$750.00	0		0		$30,000.00	30000	833.33	0		$30,000.00	30000	511.52	0
$750.63			1		$29,191.67	29166.67	833.33	1		$29,513.48	$29,510.98	511.52	1
$751.25			2		$28,382.67	28333.34	833.33	2		$29,026.55	$29,021.59	511.52	2
$751.88			3		$27,572.99	27500.01	833.33	3		$28,539.22	$28,531.84	511.52	3
$752.50			4		$26,762.64	26666.68	833.33	4		$28,051.49	$28,041.72	511.52	4
$753.13			5		$25,951.61	25833.35	833.33	5		$27,563.34	$27,551.23	511.52	5
$753.76			6		$25,139.90	25000.02	833.33	6		$27,074.79	$27,060.37	511.52	6
$754.39			7		$24,327.52	24166.69	833.33	7		$26,585.83	$26,569.15	511.52	7
$755.01			8		$23,514.47	23333.36	833.33	8		$26,096.47	$26,077.56	511.52	8
$755.64			9		$22,700.73	22500.03	833.33	9		$25,606.70	$25,585.59	511.52	9
$756.27			10		$21,886.32	21666.7	833.33	10		$25,116.51	$25,093.26	511.52	10
$756.90			11		$21,071.23	20833.37	833.33	11		$24,625.93	$24,600.56	511.52	11
$757.53			12		$20,255.46	20000.04	833.33	12		$24,134.93	$24,107.49	511.52	12
$758.17			13		$19,439.01	19166.71	833.33	13		$23,643.52	$23,614.05	511.52	13
$758.80			14		$18,621.88	18333.38	833.33	14		$23,151.70	$23,120.24	511.52	14
$759.43			15		$17,804.07	17500.05	833.33	15		$22,659.48	$22,626.06	511.52	15
$760.06			16		$16,985.57	16666.72	833.33	16		$22,166.84	$22,131.51	511.52	16
$760.70			17		$16,166.40	15833.39	833.33	17		$21,673.79	$21,636.59	511.52	17
$761.33			18		$15,346.54	15000.06	833.33	18		$21,180.33	$21,141.30	511.52	18
$761.96			19		$14,526.00	14166.73	833.33	19		$20,686.46	$20,645.64	511.52	19
$762.60			20		$13,704.77	13333.4	833.33	20		$20,192.18	$20,149.60	511.52	20
$763.23			21		$12,882.86	12500.07	833.33	21		$19,697.49	$19,653.19	511.52	21
$763.87			22		$12,060.27	11666.74	833.33	22		$19,202.38	$19,156.41	511.52	22
$764.51			23		$11,236.99	10833.41	833.33	23		$18,706.86	$18,659.26	511.52	23
$765.14			24		$10,413.02	10000.08	833.33	24		$18,210.93	$18,161.73	511.52	24
$765.78			25		$9,588.37	9166.75	833.33	25		$17,714.59	$17,663.84	511.52	25
$766.42			26		$8,763.03	8333.42	833.33	26		$17,217.83	$17,165.56	511.52	26
$767.06			27		$7,937.00	7500.09	833.33	27		$16,720.66	$16,666.92	511.52	27
$767.70			28		$7,110.29	6666.76	833.33	28		$16,223.07	$16,167.90	511.52	28
$768.34			29		$6,282.88	5833.43	833.33	29		$15,725.07	$15,668.50	511.52	29
$768.98			30		$5,454.79	5000.1	833.33	30		$15,226.66	$15,168.73	511.52	30
$769.62			31		$4,626.00	4166.77	833.33	31		$14,727.83	$14,668.59	511.52	31
$770.26			32		$3,796.53	3333.44	833.33	32		$14,228.58	$14,168.07	511.52	32
$770.90			33		$2,966.36	2500.11	833.33	33		$13,728.92	$13,667.18	511.52	33
$771.54			34		$2,135.50	1666.78	833.33	34		$13,228.84	$13,165.91	511.52	34
$772.19			35		$1,303.95	833.45	833.33	35		$12,728.34	$12,664.26	511.52	35
$772.83			36		$471.71	0.12		36		$12,227.43	$12,162.24	511.52	36
$773.48			37		$472.10			37		$11,726.10	$11,659.84	511.52	37
$774.12			38		$472.50			38		$11,224.35	$11,157.07	511.52	38
$774.76			39		$472.89			39		$10,722.18	$10,653.92	511.52	39
$775.41			40		$473.29			40		$10,219.60	$10,150.39	511.52	40
$776.06			41		$473.68			41		$9,716.59	$9,646.48	511.52	41
$776.70			42		$474.07			42		$9,213.17	$9,142.19	511.52	42
$777.35			43		$474.47			43		$8,709.33	$8,637.53	511.52	43
$778.00			44		$474.87			44		$8,205.07	$8,132.49	511.52	44
$778.65			45		$475.26			45		$7,700.38	$7,627.07	511.52	45
$779.30			46		$475.66			46		$7,195.28	$7,121.27	511.52	46
$779.95			47		$476.05			47		$6,689.76	$6,615.09	511.52	47
$780.60			48		$476.45			48		$6,183.81	$6,108.53	511.52	48
$781.25			49		$476.85			49		$5,677.45	$5,601.59	511.52	49
$781.90			50		$477.24			50		$5,170.66	$5,094.27	511.52	50
$782.55			51		$477.64			51		$4,663.45	$4,586.57	511.52	51
$783.20			52		$478.04			52		$4,155.81	$4,078.49	511.52	52
$783.85			53		$478.44			53		$3,647.76	$3,570.03	511.52	53
$784.51			54		$478.84			54		$3,139.27	$3,061.19	511.52	54
$785.16			55		$479.24			55		$2,630.37	$2,551.97	511.52	55
$785.81			56		$479.64			56		$2,121.04	$2,042.36	511.52	56
$786.47			57		$480.04			57		$1,611.29	$1,532.37	511.52	57
$787.12			58		$480.44			58		$1,101.11	$1,022.00	511.52	58
$787.78			59		$480.84			59		$590.51	$511.25	511.52	59
$788.44			60		$481.24			60		$79.48	$0.11	511.52	60

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Savings	Loan	Payment	Month		Savings	Loan	Payment	Month		Savings	Loan	Payment	Month					
$750.00	0		0		$30,000.00	30000	833.33	0		$30,000.00	30000	511.52	0			$0.00	$0.00	$0.00
$751.25			1		$29,216.67	29166.67	833.33	1		$29,538.48	$29,510.98	511.52	1			$50.00	$27.50	-$22.50
$752.50			2		$28,432.03	28333.34	833.33	2		$29,076.19	$29,021.59	511.52	2			$98.69	$54.60	-$44.10
$753.76			3		$27,646.09	27500.01	833.33	3		$28,613.13	$28,531.84	511.52	3			$146.08	$81.29	-$64.79
$755.01			4		$26,858.84	26666.68	833.33	4		$28,149.30	$28,041.72	511.52	4			$192.16	$107.58	-$84.58
$756.27			5		$26,070.27	25833.35	833.33	5		$27,684.70	$27,551.23	511.52	5			$236.92	$133.47	-$103.46
$757.53			6		$25,280.39	25000.02	833.33	6		$27,219.32	$27,060.37	511.52	6			$280.37	$158.94	-$121.43
$758.79			7		$24,489.20	24166.69	833.33	7		$26,753.16	$26,569.15	511.52	7			$322.51	$184.01	-$138.49
$760.06			8		$23,696.68	23333.36	833.33	8		$26,286.23	$26,077.56	511.52	8			$363.32	$208.68	-$154.65
$761.33			9		$22,902.85	22500.03	833.33	9		$25,818.52	$25,585.59	511.52	9			$402.82	$232.93	-$169.89
$762.59			10		$22,107.69	21666.7	833.33	10		$25,350.03	$25,093.26	511.52	10			$440.99	$256.77	-$184.22
$763.87			11		$21,311.20	20833.37	833.33	11		$24,880.76	$24,600.56	511.52	11			$477.83	$280.20	-$197.64
$765.14			12		$20,513.39	20000.04	833.33	12		$24,410.71	$24,107.49	511.52	12			$513.35	$303.22	-$210.14
$766.41			13		$19,714.25	19166.71	833.33	13		$23,939.87	$23,614.05	511.52	13			$547.54	$325.82	-$221.72
$767.69			14		$18,913.78	18333.38	833.33	14		$23,468.25	$23,120.24	511.52	14			$580.40	$348.01	-$232.39
$768.97			15		$18,111.97	17500.05	833.33	15		$22,995.85	$22,626.06	511.52	15			$611.92	$369.78	-$242.14
$770.25			16		$17,308.83	16666.72	833.33	16		$22,522.65	$22,131.51	511.52	16			$642.11	$391.14	-$250.97
$771.54			17		$16,504.35	15833.39	833.33	17		$22,048.67	$21,636.59	511.52	17			$670.96	$412.08	-$258.88
$772.82			18		$15,698.52	15000.06	833.33	18		$21,573.90	$21,141.30	511.52	18			$698.46	$432.60	-$265.86
$774.11			19		$14,891.36	14166.73	833.33	19		$21,098.34	$20,645.64	511.52	19			$724.63	$452.70	-$271.93
$775.40			20		$14,082.85	13333.4	833.33	20		$20,621.98	$20,149.60	511.52	20			$749.45	$472.38	-$277.07
$776.69			21		$13,272.99	12500.07	833.33	21		$20,144.83	$19,653.19	511.52	21			$772.92	$491.64	-$281.28
$777.99			22		$12,461.78	11666.74	833.33	22		$19,666.88	$19,156.41	511.52	22			$795.04	$510.47	-$284.57
$779.28			23		$11,649.22	10833.41	833.33	23		$19,188.14	$18,659.26	511.52	23			$815.81	$528.88	-$286.93
$780.58			24		$10,835.31	10000.08	833.33	24		$18,708.60	$18,161.73	511.52	24			$835.23	$546.87	-$288.36
$781.88			25		$10,020.03	9166.75	833.33	25		$18,228.26	$17,663.84	511.52	25			$853.28	$564.43	-$288.86
$783.19			26		$9,203.40	8333.42	833.33	26		$17,747.12	$17,165.56	511.52	26			$869.98	$581.56	-$288.42
$784.49			27		$8,385.41	7500.09	833.33	27		$17,265.18	$16,666.92	511.52	27			$885.32	$598.27	-$287.06
$785.80			28		$7,566.06	6666.76	833.33	28		$16,782.44	$16,167.90	511.52	28			$899.30	$614.54	-$284.76
$787.11			29		$6,745.34	5833.43	833.33	29		$16,298.89	$15,668.50	511.52	29			$911.91	$630.39	-$281.52
$788.42			30		$5,923.25	5000.1	833.33	30		$15,814.53	$15,168.73	511.52	30			$923.15	$645.80	-$277.35
$789.73			31		$5,099.79	4166.77	833.33	31		$15,329.37	$14,668.59	511.52	31			$933.02	$660.78	-$272.24
$791.05			32		$4,274.96	3333.44	833.33	32		$14,843.40	$14,168.07	511.52	32			$941.52	$675.33	-$266.20
$792.37			33		$3,448.76	2500.11	833.33	33		$14,356.62	$13,667.18	511.52	33			$948.65	$689.44	-$259.21
$793.69			34		$2,621.18	1666.78	833.33	34		$13,869.03	$13,165.91	511.52	34			$954.40	$703.12	-$251.28
$795.01			35		$1,792.21	833.45	833.33	35		$13,380.62	$12,664.26	511.52	35			$958.76	$716.36	-$242.41
$796.34			36		$961.87	0.12		36		$12,891.40	$12,162.24	511.52	36			$961.75	$729.16	-$232.59
$797.66			37		$963.47			37		$12,401.37	$11,659.84	511.52	37			$963.47	$741.53	-$221.95
$798.99			38		$965.08			38		$11,910.52	$11,157.07	511.52	38			$965.08	$753.45	-$211.63
$800.33			39		$966.69			39		$11,418.85	$10,653.92	511.52	39			$966.69	$764.93	-$201.76
$801.66			40		$968.30			40		$10,926.36	$10,150.39	511.52	40			$968.30	$775.97	-$192.33
$803.00			41		$969.91			41		$10,433.05	$9,646.48	511.52	41			$969.91	$786.57	-$183.34
$804.33			42		$971.53			42		$9,938.92	$9,142.19	511.52	42			$971.53	$796.72	-$174.81
$805.67			43		$973.15			43		$9,443.96	$8,637.53	511.52	43			$973.15	$806.43	-$166.72
$807.02			44		$974.77			44		$8,948.18	$8,132.49	511.52	44			$974.77	$815.69	-$159.08
$808.36			45		$976.40			45		$8,451.58	$7,627.07	511.52	45			$976.40	$824.51	-$151.89
$809.71			46		$978.02			46		$7,954.14	$7,121.27	511.52	46			$978.02	$832.87	-$145.15
$811.06			47		$979.65			47		$7,455.88	$6,615.09	511.52	47			$979.65	$840.79	-$138.86
$812.41			48		$981.29			48		$6,956.79	$6,108.53	511.52	48			$981.29	$848.26	-$133.03
$813.77			49		$982.92			49		$6,456.86	$5,601.59	511.52	49			$982.92	$855.27	-$127.65
$815.12			50		$984.56			50		$5,956.10	$5,094.27	511.52	50			$984.56	$861.83	-$122.73
$816.48			51		$986.20			51		$5,454.51	$4,586.57	511.52	51			$986.20	$867.94	-$118.27
$817.84			52		$987.84			52		$4,952.08	$4,078.49	511.52	52			$987.84	$873.59	-$114.26
$819.20			53		$989.49			53		$4,448.81	$3,570.03	511.52	53			$989.49	$878.78	-$110.71
$820.57			54		$991.14			54		$3,944.71	$3,061.19	511.52	54			$991.14	$883.52	-$107.62
$821.94			55		$992.79			55		$3,439.76	$2,551.97	511.52	55			$992.79	$887.80	-$105.00
$823.31			56		$994.45			56		$2,933.98	$2,042.36	511.52	56			$994.45	$891.62	-$102.83
$824.68			57		$996.10			57		$2,427.35	$1,532.37	511.52	57			$996.10	$894.97	-$101.13
$826.05			58		$997.76			58		$1,919.87	$1,022.00	511.52	58			$997.76	$897.87	-$99.89
$827.43			59		$999.43			59		$1,411.55	$511.25	511.52	59			$999.43	$900.30	-$99.12
$828.81			60		$1,001.09			60		$902.38	$0.11	511.52	60			$1,001.09	$902.27	-$98.82

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Savings	Loan	Payment	Month		Savings	Loan	Payment	Month		Savings	Loan	Payment	Month					
$750.00	0		0		$30,000.00	30000	833.33	0		$30,000.00	30000	511.52	0			$0.00	$0.00	$0.00
$753.13			1		$29,291.67	29166.67	833.33	1		$29,613.48	$29,510.98	511.52	1			$125.00	$102.50	-$22.50
$756.26			2		$28,580.39	28333.34	833.33	2		$29,225.35	$29,021.59	511.52	2			$247.05	$203.76	-$43.29
$759.41			3		$27,866.14	27500.01	833.33	3		$28,835.60	$28,531.84	511.52	3			$366.13	$303.76	-$62.37
$762.58			4		$27,148.92	26666.68	833.33	4		$28,444.23	$28,041.72	511.52	4			$482.24	$402.51	-$79.73
$765.76			5		$26,428.71	25833.35	833.33	5		$28,051.23	$27,551.23	511.52	5			$595.36	$500.00	-$95.36
$768.95			6		$25,705.50	25000.02	833.33	6		$27,656.59	$27,060.37	511.52	6			$705.48	$596.21	-$109.27
$772.15			7		$24,979.28	24166.69	833.33	7		$27,260.30	$26,569.15	511.52	7			$812.59	$691.16	-$121.43
$775.37			8		$24,250.03	23333.36	833.33	8		$26,862.37	$26,077.56	511.52	8			$916.67	$784.81	-$131.86
$778.60			9		$23,517.74	22500.03	833.33	9		$26,462.77	$25,585.59	511.52	9			$1,017.71	$877.18	-$140.53
$781.84			10		$22,782.40	21666.7	833.33	10		$26,061.52	$25,093.26	511.52	10			$1,115.70	$968.25	-$147.45
$785.10			11		$22,044.00	20833.37	833.33	11		$25,658.59	$24,600.56	511.52	11			$1,210.63	$1,058.02	-$152.60
$788.37			12		$21,302.52	20000.04	833.33	12		$25,253.98	$24,107.49	511.52	12			$1,302.48	$1,146.48	-$155.99
$791.66			13		$20,557.95	19166.71	833.33	13		$24,847.68	$23,614.05	511.52	13			$1,391.24	$1,233.63	-$157.61
$794.95			14		$19,810.28	18333.38	833.33	14		$24,439.69	$23,120.24	511.52	14			$1,476.90	$1,319.45	-$157.45
$798.27			15		$19,059.49	17500.05	833.33	15		$24,030.01	$22,626.06	511.52	15			$1,559.44	$1,403.94	-$155.50
$801.59			16		$18,305.57	16666.72	833.33	16		$23,618.61	$22,131.51	511.52	16			$1,638.85	$1,487.10	-$151.76
$804.93			17		$17,548.52	15833.39	833.33	17		$23,205.50	$21,636.59	511.52	17			$1,715.13	$1,568.91	-$146.22
$808.29			18		$16,788.31	15000.06	833.33	18		$22,790.67	$21,141.30	511.52	18			$1,788.25	$1,649.37	-$138.87
$811.66			19		$16,024.93	14166.73	833.33	19		$22,374.11	$20,645.64	511.52	19			$1,858.20	$1,728.48	-$129.72
$815.04			20		$15,258.37	13333.4	833.33	20		$21,955.82	$20,149.60	511.52	20			$1,924.97	$1,806.22	-$118.75
$818.43			21		$14,488.61	12500.07	833.33	21		$21,535.78	$19,653.19	511.52	21			$1,988.54	$1,882.59	-$105.96
$821.84			22		$13,715.65	11666.74	833.33	22		$21,113.99	$19,156.41	511.52	22			$2,048.91	$1,957.58	-$91.33
$825.27			23		$12,939.47	10833.41	833.33	23		$20,690.45	$18,659.26	511.52	23			$2,106.06	$2,031.19	-$74.87
$828.71			24		$12,160.06	10000.08	833.33	24		$20,265.14	$18,161.73	511.52	24			$2,159.98	$2,103.40	-$56.57
$832.16			25		$11,377.39	9166.75	833.33	25		$19,838.06	$17,663.84	511.52	25			$2,210.64	$2,174.22	-$36.42
$835.63			26		$10,591.47	8333.42	833.33	26		$19,409.19	$17,165.56	511.52	26			$2,258.05	$2,243.63	-$14.42
$839.11			27		$9,802.27	7500.09	833.33	27		$18,978.55	$16,666.92	511.52	27			$2,302.18	$2,311.63	$9.45
$842.60			28		$9,009.78	6666.76	833.33	28		$18,546.10	$16,167.90	511.52	28			$2,343.02	$2,378.21	$35.18
$846.12			29		$8,213.99	5833.43	833.33	29		$18,111.86	$15,668.50	511.52	29			$2,380.56	$2,443.36	$62.79
$849.64			30		$7,414.89	5000.1	833.33	30		$17,675.81	$15,168.73	511.52	30			$2,414.79	$2,507.07	$92.28
$853.18			31		$6,612.45	4166.77	833.33	31		$17,237.93	$14,668.59	511.52	31			$2,445.68	$2,569.34	$123.66
$856.74			32		$5,806.68	3333.44	833.33	32		$16,798.24	$14,168.07	511.52	32			$2,473.24	$2,630.17	$156.93
$860.31			33		$4,997.54	2500.11	833.33	33		$16,356.71	$13,667.18	511.52	33			$2,497.43	$2,689.53	$192.10
$863.89			34		$4,185.03	1666.78	833.33	34		$15,913.34	$13,165.91	511.52	34			$2,518.25	$2,747.44	$229.18
$867.49			35		$3,369.14	833.45	833.33	35		$15,468.13	$12,664.26	511.52	35			$2,535.69	$2,803.87	$268.17
$871.10			36		$2,549.85	0.12		36		$15,021.06	$12,162.24	511.52	36			$2,549.73	$2,858.82	$309.09
$874.73			37		$2,560.47			37		$14,572.13	$11,659.84	511.52	37			$2,560.47	$2,912.29	$351.81
$878.38			38		$2,571.14			38		$14,121.33	$11,157.07	511.52	38			$2,571.14	$2,964.26	$393.11
$882.04			39		$2,581.86			39		$13,668.64	$10,653.92	511.52	39			$2,581.86	$3,014.73	$432.87
$885.71			40		$2,592.61			40		$13,214.08	$10,150.39	511.52	40			$2,592.61	$3,063.69	$471.08
$889.40			41		$2,603.42			41		$12,757.62	$9,646.48	511.52	41			$2,603.42	$3,111.14	$507.72
$893.11			42		$2,614.26			42		$12,299.25	$9,142.19	511.52	42			$2,614.26	$3,157.06	$542.79
$896.83			43		$2,625.16			43		$11,838.98	$8,637.53	511.52	43			$2,625.16	$3,201.45	$576.29
$900.57			44		$2,636.09			44		$11,376.79	$8,132.49	511.52	44			$2,636.09	$3,244.30	$608.20
$904.32			45		$2,647.08			45		$10,912.67	$7,627.07	511.52	45			$2,647.08	$3,285.60	$638.53
$908.09			46		$2,658.11			46		$10,446.62	$7,121.27	511.52	46			$2,658.11	$3,325.35	$667.24
$911.87			47		$2,669.18			47		$9,978.63	$6,615.09	511.52	47			$2,669.18	$3,363.54	$694.36
$915.67			48		$2,680.31			48		$9,508.69	$6,108.53	511.52	48			$2,680.31	$3,400.16	$719.85
$919.49			49		$2,691.47			49		$9,036.79	$5,601.59	511.52	49			$2,691.47	$3,435.19	$743.72
$923.32			50		$2,702.69			50		$8,562.92	$5,094.27	511.52	50			$2,702.69	$3,468.65	$765.96
$927.17			51		$2,713.95			51		$8,087.08	$4,586.57	511.52	51			$2,713.95	$3,500.50	$786.56
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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by White Coat Investor » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:07 pm

markcoop wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:50 pm
Deciding between these 3 payment options to buy new car:
1) Pay full amount - get $750 discount
2) 0% 36 months - no discount
3) 0.9% 60 months - no discount

Assuming I can afford either option, which do you think is best?

I believe the answer lies in what interest rate I can get for the money I am holding. In case 1, I earn a small amount of interest on the $750 saved. In case 2, it's just the balance of the loan times the interest rate for each period. In case 3, it's the balance of the loan times the interest rate for each period minus the interest paid. Plugging in some numbers into a spread sheet, at a low interest rate (roughly below 1.5%) option 1 is best, at a middle interest rate (around 2%) option 2 is best and at a higher interest rate (roughly above 2.5%) option 3 is best.

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How long do you want to be in debt for? I'm not interested in going back into debt, so I'd choose option 1, especially with a discount. No brainer for me.

But yes, the mathematically optimal thing is usually to maximally leverage your life whenever possible.
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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by Tamarind » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:31 pm

If it's an apples to apples comparison, pay in full.

If your credit score is strong enough to get those rates, you should expect to be offered some kind of sweetener to take the financing. Usually this comes in the form of a reduction in price with requirement to keep the loan for some period of time.

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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by TheOscarGuy » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:35 pm

markcoop wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:50 pm
Deciding between these 3 payment options to buy new car:
1) Pay full amount - get $750 discount
2) 0% 36 months - no discount
3) 0.9% 60 months - no discount

Assuming I can afford either option, which do you think is best?

I believe the answer lies in what interest rate I can get for the money I am holding. In case 1, I earn a small amount of interest on the $750 saved. In case 2, it's just the balance of the loan times the interest rate for each period. In case 3, it's the balance of the loan times the interest rate for each period minus the interest paid. Plugging in some numbers into a spread sheet, at a low interest rate (roughly below 1.5%) option 1 is best, at a middle interest rate (around 2%) option 2 is best and at a higher interest rate (roughly above 2.5%) option 3 is best.

Opinions?
If you can afford it, but it in cash.
For a period of 5 years or earlier, I can not justify monies be invested -- which means your options are limited, as you stated in your spreadsheet analysis, I think. At this low numbers, its really trivial difference.
For me, pay full amount and get full peace of mind of owing a car fair and square.

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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by livesoft » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:43 pm

Don't forget to factor in inflation over the term of the loan. :twisted: You will be repaying with dollars that may have lost value.

Back of envelope calculation: 3-year loan of $30K will have an average balance outstanding of $15K which can easily earn 1.5% each year. That's $225 a year or $675 total less any taxes. The $750 discount is like being paid about $250 a year or a simple rate of 1.67% on $15K, so any bump in interest earned on investing gives you a win.

Of course, you could invest the $30K on an RBD and very likely make more than 1.5% in a few days.

I took the 0% loan a few years ago and made whatever the stock market gave me over the past 3 years.

Now people will complain: But you didn't invest risk-free which is what paying cash gives you. Sure, I took the risk that I would not sell if I lost money in the stock market, but would wait until I made money. That is, I had no need to sell at a loss except for tax-loss harvesting purposes. I could practically guarantee that the stock market would not be lower every single day over the 3 years of my loan.
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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by 2m2037 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:48 pm

I would pay in full just so that I don't have to deal with the administrative costs of making regular payments (for example, if you close the bank account you use for automatic payments).

The opportunity cost, if any, is likely to be immaterial.

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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by JBTX » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:57 pm

The 36 month loans comes out to approx 0.8% interest per year

The 60 month loan is approx .9+0.5= 1.4% per year.

You could probably easily find a 5 year cd at 1.4%.

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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by Clever_Username » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:04 pm

Assuming the insurance requirements are the same, I would go with a loan. I would do this *after* determining what the (pre-interest, in event of option 3) cost is. If I had to buy a new car tomorrow, I could write a check for the one I want (well, I'd need to order a checkbook, but other than that).

Here's why I'd go with a loan: I already have a significantly positive cash flow every month, so swinging a car payment isn't an issue. And if you gave me the option to borrow a good sum of money at 0% for 36 months, requiring regular payments, I'd take it in a heartbeat. And at 0.9% for 60 months, also requiring payments, I'd do that too.

If the option came up tomorrow, I'd keep the car purchase price in my taxable bond fund (as it already is), order the checkbook, and write a check from that account each month for the car payments.
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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by Toons » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:09 pm

1) Pay full amount - get $750 discount

Bingo.
Do That.
Then forget about it.
Let Go Of The Mental Baggage
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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by mortfree » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:11 pm

If you get a loan you can put down 5k or 10k or any other amount.

It’s somewhere in between the three ideas you listed.

I’m surprised you’re getting a discount for cash. I’ve read several situations where the person was going to pay cash but the dealership gave them a lower price to finance through them. YMMV in those cases

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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by markcoop » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:26 pm

Thanks all. I think there were a number of interesting responses. I posed the question taking nothing else into account (the best way to initially work on a problem), but of course, as one poster mentioned, you have to take everything into consideration.

Some comments:
1) I don't think the correct comparison is to find a 5-year investment because I need to keep making payments. maybe you could divide into 4ths (keep one years worth liquid) and buy 1 yr, 2yr, 3 yr, 4yr cds.

2) My view is to view it as a short term goal and should be invested conservatively. In reality, I'm much more likely to just take it out of my one big pot of money, so the rate would be my AA.

3) One piece I didn't mention here was my cash flow. Pay in full is possible, but would be alot easier for my cash flow to do one of the loans.

4) My initial gut was to do to the 3-year loan and at this point that is the way I am still leaning.

I do believe I would be fine with any of these options, but I am never one to shy away from a good math-related problem. In fact, I thought it was a great question to share with my kids.
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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by misterno » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:24 pm

markcoop wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:50 pm
Deciding between these 3 payment options to buy new car:
1) Pay full amount - get $750 discount
2) 0% 36 months - no discount
3) 0.9% 60 months - no discount

Assuming I can afford either option, which do you think is best?

I believe the answer lies in what interest rate I can get for the money I am holding. In case 1, I earn a small amount of interest on the $750 saved. In case 2, it's just the balance of the loan times the interest rate for each period. In case 3, it's the balance of the loan times the interest rate for each period minus the interest paid. Plugging in some numbers into a spread sheet, at a low interest rate (roughly below 1.5%) option 1 is best, at a middle interest rate (around 2%) option 2 is best and at a higher interest rate (roughly above 2.5%) option 3 is best.

Opinions?
I would pay full and save from interest and then get liability only insurance save from there also

but this is me. I am a cheap skate

Say I am in a very good mood and my wife smiles all day long, then I can go with the 5 yr option with 0.9% interest.

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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by Cramerica » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:45 pm

When these auto loan percentages are quoted, are they simple or compound interest?

I would pick 3 here myself.

It seems like some people are picking 2 by mixing the psychology of having a "0%" loan with the math advantage of leverage?

Otherwise, it seems that option 3 would clearly win given the decreased risk in equities with a longer holding period and the longer compounding period. What am I missing?

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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by staythecourse » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:54 pm

markcoop wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:50 pm
Deciding between these 3 payment options to buy new car:
1) Pay full amount - get $750 discount
2) 0% 36 months - no discount
3) 0.9% 60 months - no discount

Assuming I can afford either option, which do you think is best?

I believe the answer lies in what interest rate I can get for the money I am holding. In case 1, I earn a small amount of interest on the $750 saved. In case 2, it's just the balance of the loan times the interest rate for each period. In case 3, it's the balance of the loan times the interest rate for each period minus the interest paid. Plugging in some numbers into a spread sheet, at a low interest rate (roughly below 1.5%) option 1 is best, at a middle interest rate (around 2%) option 2 is best and at a higher interest rate (roughly above 2.5%) option 3 is best.

Opinions?
I'm totally biased and UNbogleheads in this type of situation. I EASILY choose low interest rate debt and would take the money and just throw it into my asset allocation.

Good luck.
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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by Nate79 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:12 pm

Pay in cash as long as you have a healthy emergency fund. The difference is picking pennies up off the ground. If this has any material affect on your future you likely can't afford the car in the first place.

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Post by Nate79 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:12 pm

Double post

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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by Nestegg_User » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:19 pm

mortfree wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:11 pm
If you get a loan you can put down 5k or 10k or any other amount.

It’s somewhere in between the three ideas you listed.

I’m surprised you’re getting a discount for cash. I’ve read several situations where the person was going to pay cash but the dealership gave them a lower price to finance through them. YMMV in those cases
Yep... I was a responder

choice after best price.... pay cash, no discount
or take financing and get $1250 off, paid two months of interest (total of $85) then paid it off....WIN :D

given the choices ... I’d go with three years at zero... and put into CD ladder as two year are over 2%, so 18 month and two year CD with rest in regular deposit account for cash flow. You can decide how much to put down vs finance to best match your cash flow needs.

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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by Agggm » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:24 pm

markcoop wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:50 pm
Deciding between these 3 payment options to buy new car:
1) Pay full amount - get $750 discount
2) 0% 36 months - no discount
3) 0.9% 60 months - no discount

Assuming I can afford either option, which do you think is best?

I believe the answer lies in what interest rate I can get for the money I am holding. In case 1, I earn a small amount of interest on the $750 saved. In case 2, it's just the balance of the loan times the interest rate for each period. In case 3, it's the balance of the loan times the interest rate for each period minus the interest paid. Plugging in some numbers into a spread sheet, at a low interest rate (roughly below 1.5%) option 1 is best, at a middle interest rate (around 2%) option 2 is best and at a higher interest rate (roughly above 2.5%) option 3 is best.

Opinions?
Unless you're buying a high end car with high relative demand, 750 discount is weak. None of these options are appealing.

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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by markcoop » Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:57 am

Agggm wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:24 pm
markcoop wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:50 pm
Deciding between these 3 payment options to buy new car:
1) Pay full amount - get $750 discount
2) 0% 36 months - no discount
3) 0.9% 60 months - no discount

Assuming I can afford either option, which do you think is best?

I believe the answer lies in what interest rate I can get for the money I am holding. In case 1, I earn a small amount of interest on the $750 saved. In case 2, it's just the balance of the loan times the interest rate for each period. In case 3, it's the balance of the loan times the interest rate for each period minus the interest paid. Plugging in some numbers into a spread sheet, at a low interest rate (roughly below 1.5%) option 1 is best, at a middle interest rate (around 2%) option 2 is best and at a higher interest rate (roughly above 2.5%) option 3 is best.

Opinions?
Unless you're buying a high end car with high relative demand, 750 discount is weak. None of these options are appealing.
I wasn't being totally honest in my description. Case (1) was actually save $1,450. Cases (2) and (3) were save $700. So, in all cases, I am going to save $700, so I took that out of the equation not to muddy the decision making process.
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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by flamesabers » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:09 am

markcoop wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:57 am
Case (1) was actually save $1,450. Cases (2) and (3) were save $700. So, in all cases, I am going to save $700, so I took that out of the equation not to muddy the decision making process.
My suggestion would be to pay in full. The savings for option #1 is immediate, guaranteed and tax-free. Nobody knows for certain what interest rates will be for the next 3-5 years.

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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by randomguy » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:46 am

mortfree wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:11 pm
If you get a loan you can put down 5k or 10k or any other amount.

It’s somewhere in between the three ideas you listed.

I’m surprised you’re getting a discount for cash. I’ve read several situations where the person was going to pay cash but the dealership gave them a lower price to finance through them. YMMV in those cases
A lot of the time the deal is you can get x bonus cash or a subsidies rate. This probably an OEM discount not a dealer one.

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Re: Math question to buy new car: pay full, 0% 36 months, 0.9% 60 months

Post by djpeteski » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:49 am

Option 1 is the best.

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