Agreed, and I apologize for not also differentiating between working hard for material status and working hard for freedom. I also encounter many people every day who fit the materialistic bill. Shopping in a busy store - especially a Wal Mart on Black Friday - is literally one version of my personal hell.DDMP20 wrote:Maverick3320 wrote: The best things in life are free - exactly. I want my children (when I have them) to have the best shot at life so they can have the freedom to choose a career that doesn't have to be long hours, and spend more time with their children. I want to give them a choice. In other words, I'm "investing" my time in their (and their children's) futures. I can't speak for everyone else here, but I "obsess" over money on this site for the exact purpose of retiring early (to spend more time with family) and to give my future family more: more time, more freedom of choices, etc.
I tend to find that those who lash out at people working hard (and harder than them) often justify their lack of hard work by assuming that those who work harder are "worse" people than they are, and have substandard goals. Sure, take life easy, take a hipster-ish "meh" mindset, and scoff at hard work. Just know that some of us actually have a plan, and it has nothing to do with the newest Iphone (which, ironically, those that are taking life easy all seem to have).
The way I see it the greatest thing money can buy is freedom and freedom to me is the ability to wake up every morning with the knowledge that you don't have to worry about a damn thing when it comes to the basics and money and that day is entirely your's to do whatever the heck you want with. It means you don't have to go to a job you don't like and be around people you don't like for the next eight to ten hours. Most of us will never know this kind of freedom but many of us can come close to this in varying degrees. I'm certainly not of the "scoff at hard work hipster mentality" but I also refuse to allow myself to be a wage slave, grovelling before some manager who couldn't give a damn if I dropped dead.
Maybe I haven't made it clear but I see a sharp distinction between people who work hard to make money so that they can have a lot of fancy, status symbol material possessions and people who work hard so that they can have financial freedom and more time with their families at some point later on. Maybe it was a bit unfair to suggest that others are obsessed with material possessions but I did say some and I encounter so many people every day in real life who fit this bill. Maybe you didn't notice but we have people that will trample each other at Walmart on Black Friday to save a few bucks on the latest vogue trinkets.
I have a plan too. That's why I'm here. I understand where you're coming from. You mentioned freedom of choices. Money does provide more than just the flashy status symbols. I get that; it's what I was alluding to at the start of this post. I just wish we weren't so deeply rooted in the mentality that the chief measure of success and happiness is money and material possessions. I am also just so tired of the crass, vulgar, celebrity worshipping, dumbed down, materialistic,
culture and the morons that I have the misfortune of having to interact with every day that take part in it.
It certainly does seem like materialism is a culture problem. You can't turn on TV these days without tripping over a lawyer/doctor drama in the big city, or whatever the newest Real Housewives or Kardashian show is. In our culture, it's not how much you make, it's how much you spend. Unfortunately, in 20-30 years when my peer group is retiring, most people are going to realize that they probably should have saved more.