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Re: Car-Certified Lexus LS 460 Vs New ES 350 Vs New RX 350

Post by htdrag11 » Thu Sep 18, 2014 9:24 am

ram wrote:Nice info to have before going to the dealer. Thx.
The car was on the lot over 62 days, giving me add'l leverage. They have over 50 in the lot all with crazy sticker prices. They also have another dealership (same owner) about 15 miles away. Their original dealership is about 30 miles north, so all were competing against each other but they all knew that I went to the other 2 dealers. It's a fairly level playing field, except for the trade-in.

As long as you're not picky about color and options, Lexus are like Chevy's here so supply is plenty.

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Post by ram » Fri Sep 19, 2014 12:57 am

htdrag,
I assume that you are talking about the McGrath Lexus dealerships (downtown chicago (division st) and Westmont). There is also an Arlington Lexus, Palatine and Lexus of highland park. Any thoughts on any one being better than other. Thx.
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Post by Bustoff » Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:47 am

livesoft wrote:... You can look up for free the carfax reports on the cars before you go. Look at truecar.com, edmunds.com, kbr.com, etc. ...
Have always liked the RX 350 . Prompted by livesoft's older RX post, I started to shop.
I discovered that we can not get Lexus RX 350 pricing reports from these sources. For example, truecar.com reports the following regarding the RX 350 : Unfortunately, there are no TrueCar Certified Lexus Dealers near you.
This is very odd since there are two huge Lexus dealers here in town.

Edmunds will give you a TMV they claim is based on actual sales.

Edmunds TMV for a CPO 2011 RX 350 with no added options, FWD, clean condition , 45,000 mi.= $28,083
Edmunds TMV for a CPO 2011 RX 350 with no added options, FWD, outstanding condition , 45,000 mi.= $29,581

One of the Lexus dealers here currently shows one CPO RX 350, AWD, (no nav), with 53,000 mi. for sale at $33,940
Edmunds TMV on that unit is $28,814.

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Post by livesoft » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:35 am

Bustoff wrote:Unfortunately, there are no TrueCar Certified Lexus Dealers near you.
This is very odd since there are two huge Lexus dealers here in town.
You should probably look up what "TrueCar Certified" means. I think you might be surprised at first, but afterwards you should understand why a Lexus dealer does not participate in the TrueCar program.

Also note that cars are often sold for less than the reported TMV.
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Post by Bustoff » Fri Sep 19, 2014 9:15 am

livesoft wrote: You should probably look up what "TrueCar Certified" means. I think you might be surprised at first, but afterwards you should understand why a Lexus dealer does not participate in the TrueCar program.
It would have been very nice of you to simply share that information in your reply?

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Post by livesoft » Fri Sep 19, 2014 9:45 am

It's been a while since I explored that topic and I don't want to give misinformation and I don't want to go research for information again. I hope you can understand that I am not a walking encyclopedia (wikipedia?) with infinite real-time knowledge on everything.
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Post by htdrag11 » Fri Sep 19, 2014 9:57 am

ram wrote:htdrag,
I assume that you are talking about the McGrath Lexus dealerships (downtown chicago (division st) and Westmont). There is also an Arlington Lexus, Palatine and Lexus of highland park. Any thoughts on any one being better than other. Thx.
No. I'm in NJ; the dealer is Ray Catena who strives to be Number 1 (in Florida). They claimed #2 but I did not verify.

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Post by htdrag11 » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:00 am

Bustoff wrote:
livesoft wrote:... You can look up for free the carfax reports on the cars before you go. Look at truecar.com, edmunds.com, kbr.com, etc. ...
Have always liked the RX 350 . Prompted by livesoft's older RX post, I started to shop.
I discovered that we can not get Lexus RX 350 pricing reports from these sources. For example, truecar.com reports the following regarding the RX 350 : Unfortunately, there are no TrueCar Certified Lexus Dealers near you.
This is very odd since there are two huge Lexus dealers here in town.

Edmunds will give you a TMV they claim is based on actual sales.

Edmunds TMV for a CPO 2011 RX 350 with no added options, FWD, clean condition , 45,000 mi.= $28,083
Edmunds TMV for a CPO 2011 RX 350 with no added options, FWD, outstanding condition , 45,000 mi.= $29,581

One of the Lexus dealers here currently shows one CPO RX 350, AWD, (no nav), with 53,000 mi. for sale at $33,940
Edmunds TMV on that unit is $28,814.
That is high in NJ where my dealer has 3 branches within a 30 mile radius. My 2012 CPO w/o navigation out the door for $32,500 (couple minor scratches).

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Post by Bustoff » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:34 am

htdrag11 wrote:
Bustoff wrote: One of the Lexus dealers here currently shows one CPO RX 350, AWD, (no nav), with 53,000 mi. for sale at $33,940
Edmunds TMV on that unit is $28,814.
That is high in NJ where my dealer has 3 branches within a 30 mile radius. My 2012 CPO w/o navigation out the door for $32,500 (couple minor scratches).
htdrag-thanks for that information. It always helpful to know what prices others are getting.

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Re: Car-Certified Lexus LS 460 Vs New ES 350 Vs New RX 350

Post by ram » Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:48 pm

This weekend I drove a Hyundai genesis AWD 2015. It is nicely built, is sporty, is relatively cheap, but it is a noisy car for this segment. It is noisier than my 2006 toyota avalon. I have eliminated it, I drove a 2011 and a 2013 Lexus RX and they were good cars and are under consideration.

But I liked the LS 460 the best. The LS has rightfully been described as a dull car by some, but it is a very comfortable and very quiet car on a straight highway and serves my requirements well. So currently I am trying to buy one of these. Even in a big city like Chicago there are only a handful of precertifieds for sale.

Car A) LS 460 AWD, 2011, 36000 miles. "Not certified". Newly arrived and I have not seen it yet. Listed at 43000 + dealer fees. ( I have asked a OTD price). Edmunds appraises it at 39000 private party, 41000 dealer, 43700 certified. KBB appraises it at 38700 priv party. It has a comfort package which is worth 1900 on a new car and 1000 on used per Edmunds. A new 2014 similarly equipped car is worth 71000 at kbb fair value and 78000 MSRP.

Car B)Certified LS 460 AWD, 2011, 25000 miles. Listed OTD $ 45000. I was pressed to offer a price right after the test drive and offered 35K which was promptly rejected.

Car C) Certified LS 460 AWD, 2012, 13000 miles, Listed OTD 55000, Offered 46000, offer rejected.

I am in no hurry. I also saw some RX 350's and one salesman did say that he had more leeway to negotiate a LS than a RX.
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Post by stingray5688 » Fri Sep 26, 2014 12:24 am

Remember that even a non CPO car may still be covered by the original factory warranty, depending on age and mileage.

Along the same lines, you can refuse the CPO warranty on a CPO car in exchange for a price reduction (1000?). There are some CPO cars that, because of the age and mileage, the CPO warranty gets you nothing in addition to the remaining factory warranty. If you go this route, I would negotiate the OTD price first, then get the additional 1000 knocked off at the end.
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Post by Leesbro63 » Fri Sep 26, 2014 12:45 pm

Some thoughts from a longtime Lexus owner. We currently have a 2014 RX350AWD and an 2009 LS460AWD. Someone mentioned that the LS is now 8 model years old and pretty much the same car that debuted in the fall of 2006. That's correct. The later years have more up to date electronics (I wish I could stream music from my iPhone, but the regular "phone call" Bluetooth works fine). But as also mentioned, LS sales are off because the car is the same-ol-same-ol. And because those of us who have them are experiencing a solid ownership experience ("no grief") and see no need to spend, in my case, $50,000 to update to a 2015 version of the same car I have. By far this (2009 LS460AWD) is the best car I've ever owned (and I've had a lot...more back before I became a Boglehead but I still am a "new car guy" at heart). The MPGs are not great, but for an AWD car of this size it's pretty respectable. As long as gas prices don't explode I don't care. Someone mentioned winter. Contrary to the comment, the RWD version (I had a 2007RWD before trading for the 2009AWD) of this car SUCKS in the snow, even with tank tracks or a snow plow mounted on the front! But AWD is a champ! DO NOT BUY A RWD VERSION OF THIS CAR IF YOU LIVE IN THE SNOWBELT. Anyway, as I said, the LS is an amazing automotive experience, even now, 5 years and 60,000 miles into it.

The RX350 is also good, but different than a sedan. Wife loves it. I've had Mercedes, Audi, Volvo, Cadillac, Lincoln and a few others. If you are OK with a "sedate" ride (I learned on a 1975 Lincoln Continental...the biggest car in production that year, so that's my preference), the "no-grief" experience of Lexus is the way to go.

BTW, I had the first-year (1990, purchased fall 1989) LS400. Kept it a few years then went German. 12 years later, in 2002, I had an "ah-ha" moment. That the LS was the best car/best experience and that in the "German years" since I had nothing but grief. Been Lexus ever since.

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Re: Car-Certified Lexus LS 460 Vs New ES 350 Vs New RX 350

Post by htdrag11 » Fri Sep 26, 2014 6:14 pm

ram wrote:This weekend I drove a Hyundai genesis AWD 2015. It is nicely built, is sporty, is relatively cheap, but it is a noisy car for this segment. It is noisier than my 2006 toyota avalon. I have eliminated it, I drove a 2011 and a 2013 Lexus RX and they were good cars and are under consideration.

But I liked the LS 460 the best. The LS has rightfully been described as a dull car by some, but it is a very comfortable and very quiet car on a straight highway and serves my requirements well. So currently I am trying to buy one of these. Even in a big city like Chicago there are only a handful of precertifieds for sale.

Car A) LS 460 AWD, 2011, 36000 miles. "Not certified". Newly arrived and I have not seen it yet. Listed at 43000 + dealer fees. ( I have asked a OTD price). Edmunds appraises it at 39000 private party, 41000 dealer, 43700 certified. KBB appraises it at 38700 priv party. It has a comfort package which is worth 1900 on a new car and 1000 on used per Edmunds. A new 2014 similarly equipped car is worth 71000 at kbb fair value and 78000 MSRP.

Car B)Certified LS 460 AWD, 2011, 25000 miles. Listed OTD $ 45000. I was pressed to offer a price right after the test drive and offered 35K which was promptly rejected.

Car C) Certified LS 460 AWD, 2012, 13000 miles, Listed OTD 55000, Offered 46000, offer rejected.

I am in no hurry. I also saw some RX 350's and one salesman did say that he had more leeway to negotiate a LS than a RX.
I put in a 30 mile radius search in my area, close to NYC; there are only about 11 LS AWD vs. 136 RX, both under $40k. It's supply and demand. There are 2 from 2010 CPO around 40k miles w/ an asking price of $39,900; both are from Lexus dealers.

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Post by sambb » Fri Sep 26, 2014 7:56 pm

i have owned several european brands. I have also had the a few lexuses. Lexus reliability is unbelievably good. Agree with any AWD model for snow belt.

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Post by ram » Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:07 am

Update: I bought a Lexus LS 460, 2012 model CPO with 41000 miles. It had just completed a 3 yr lease. It was listed at 46 K and I got it for 40,200 (40,000 and 200 documentation fee, plus tax and plates). I have been using it now for the last 3-4 weeks and we both like it. Paid cash. There was no trade in. My old vehicle (Avalon 2006 model) went to my daughter.

Last year I saw 2 or 3 CPO vehicles but did not get a good price and once the winter came I stopped looking for it as I have to travel 2 to 5 hrs from my rural location to a Lexus dealer.

I am hoping that a toyota dealer can handle the usual maintenance (40 minutes away) and oil changes can be done by the guy in town who has done it for my Avalon and Honda Odyssey.

Thanks to everybody for their advice.
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Post by jabberwockOG » Tue Sep 15, 2015 6:58 am

The 2001-2006 LS430 was likely best Lexus ever built for quality and reliability. We have owned one for many years and it has been bulletproof. The current LS460 is a wonderful car, way more powerful, worse mpg, and a little heavier than the LS430, but it can be had with AWD. The LS460s are significantly more complex cars in many areas and more expensive to maintain than LS430s. Personally if I had your choice I'd go with new RX350 or the 2016 Honda Pilot in Limited trim. I see little reason to ever buy another sedan.

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Post by livesoft » Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:14 am

ram wrote:Update: I bought a Lexus LS 460, ...
Thanks for the update. Now you have to answer threads when folks ask about how to buy a used car at 40% off new price. :)
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Post by bostonsnowboarder » Wed Oct 28, 2015 9:04 pm

This is a great discussion. Thanks. It was a good read for me.

I am considering between the same three cars, however the priority factor in a car for me is COMFORT, since I have back pain issues and a 45-60 mile drive to work each way. So I'm trying to figure out which car gives the best combination of a smooth, cushy ride and a SUPER comfortable seat!

I have a price limit of approx $40,000 - $45,000 (self imposed limit), so feasibly it is a question between a CPO LS versus new ES or RX.

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Post by jlawrence01 » Thu Oct 29, 2015 5:49 pm

bostonsnowboarder wrote:This is a great discussion. Thanks. It was a good read for me.

I am considering between the same three cars, however the priority factor in a car for me is COMFORT, since I have back pain issues and a 45-60 mile drive to work each way. So I'm trying to figure out which car gives the best combination of a smooth, cushy ride and a SUPER comfortable seat!

I have a price limit of approx $40,000 - $45,000 (self imposed limit), so feasibly it is a question between a CPO LS versus new ES or RX.

Not meaning to sound like a smart alack BUT ... YOU have to put YOUR BUTT in the seat of each of the vehicles in order for you to tell what you find to be the most comfortable. Fifty people can ride a vehicle and not all of them will find a vehicle comfortable.

As a fleet manager, I have test driven perhaps 250 models over the years. There are certain subcompact cars that I have driven that have been very comfortable and some full sized vehicles that I found to be human torture racks at 6'2" and 250#.

I have had two friends with significant back issues swear that the Ford Crown Victoria was the most comfortable car that they have driven. It is not a car that I would consider but that was their feedback.

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Re: Car-Certified Lexus LS 460 Vs New ES 350 Vs New RX 350

Post by Gnirk » Thu Oct 29, 2015 6:00 pm

We've owned the Lexus GX470 (purchased new), LS460 (bought used), and currently own a 2015 Lexus RX350 (bought new).
In my opinion, if you want both reliability and pure driving comfort, I'd choose the LS460. It's a dream to both drive, and ride in as a passenger. I love my RX350, but it's not nearly as quiet or provides the smooth ride offered by the LS460. I, too, have back issues (I cannot even ride in most Ford vehicles), and the LS 460 seat adjustments make for a very comfortable seat for me, both as driver and as passenger.

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Post by randomguy » Thu Oct 29, 2015 6:34 pm

jlawrence01 wrote:
bostonsnowboarder wrote:This is a great discussion. Thanks. It was a good read for me.

I am considering between the same three cars, however the priority factor in a car for me is COMFORT, since I have back pain issues and a 45-60 mile drive to work each way. So I'm trying to figure out which car gives the best combination of a smooth, cushy ride and a SUPER comfortable seat!

I have a price limit of approx $40,000 - $45,000 (self imposed limit), so feasibly it is a question between a CPO LS versus new ES or RX.

Not meaning to sound like a smart alack BUT ... YOU have to put YOUR BUTT in the seat of each of the vehicles in order for you to tell what you find to be the most comfortable. Fifty people can ride a vehicle and not all of them will find a vehicle comfortable.

As a fleet manager, I have test driven perhaps 250 models over the years. There are certain subcompact cars that I have driven that have been very comfortable and some full sized vehicles that I found to be human torture racks at 6'2" and 250#.

I have had two friends with significant back issues swear that the Ford Crown Victoria was the most comfortable car that they have driven. It is not a car that I would consider but that was their feedback.
To some extent you really need to rent it for a day. It is easy for a seat to be comfortable for 20 mins. When you are talking 1+, sometimes those comfortable seats are not so great.

Same thing as far as cushy rides and the like. The LS,ES and RX are all pretty cushy (assuming you don't get some sport package) cars for most people. Things like easy of entry (a lot of people like the step into SUVs versus step donw cars) could be a factor depending on what your back issues are. For some people they cross the line from cushy to not enough feedback.

Personally I think the LS is too big of car. That rear seat room is great when you are being chauferred around but I find 200+" cars to be too big. That extra 10" over the ES makes parking tricky. Maybe if I had a deeper garage. And no the added LS 0-60 doesn't do anything for me.

The RX versus ES is all about AWD and form factor preference. But you would have to buy an RX before the new model comes out. So far the new look isn't doing it for me. Maybe it looks better in person...

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Re: Car-Certified Lexus LS 460 Vs New ES 350 Vs New RX 350

Post by ShoogyBee » Thu Oct 29, 2015 7:21 pm

jlawrence01 wrote:As a fleet manager, I have test driven perhaps 250 models over the years. There are certain subcompact cars that I have driven that have been very comfortable and some full sized vehicles that I found to be human torture racks at 6'2" and 250#.
Sorry to go off on a tangent, but I have to ask since I'm about the same height and weight as you. Which subcompact cars are comfortable for you? I drive a 2010 Camry with a power driver's seat, so I can get reasonably comfortable since I'm able to adjust the seat cushion angle for proper thigh support, as well as fine-tune the lumbar area and seatback angle. I just wish I had another couple of inches of leg room. It gets to be somewhat uncomfortable after an hour behind the wheel. I find that the 2015 Altima has significantly more stretch-out legroom than my car, for example.

Most subcompacts have a single lever to adjust the seat cushion height. I have to jack it up fairly high so that I can get sufficient thigh support, but that also places the seat closer to the pedals. That means I have to sit with my knees splayed to the sides, left knee pressed firmly into the door panel, right knee pressed against the center console. Cars such as the Subaru Impreza, Toyota Corolla, Nissan Sentra, etc. just didn't do it for me. I wouldn't mind downsizing to a smaller, more economical car at some point, but the lack of seat adjustments is a dealbreaker for me.

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ShoogyBee wrote:
jlawrence01 wrote:As a fleet manager, I have test driven perhaps 250 models over the years. There are certain subcompact cars that I have driven that have been very comfortable and some full sized vehicles that I found to be human torture racks at 6'2" and 250#.
Sorry to go off on a tangent, but I have to ask since I'm about the same height and weight as you. Which subcompact cars are comfortable for you? I drive a 2010 Camry with a power driver's seat, so I can get reasonably comfortable since I'm able to adjust the seat cushion angle for proper thigh support, as well as fine-tune the lumbar area and seatback angle. I just wish I had another couple of inches of leg room. It gets to be somewhat uncomfortable after an hour behind the wheel. I find that the 2015 Altima has significantly more stretch-out legroom than my car, for example.

Most subcompacts have a single lever to adjust the seat cushion height. I have to jack it up fairly high so that I can get sufficient thigh support, but that also places the seat closer to the pedals. That means I have to sit with my knees splayed to the sides, left knee pressed firmly into the door panel, right knee pressed against the center console. Cars such as the Subaru Impreza, Toyota Corolla, Nissan Sentra, etc. just didn't do it for me. I wouldn't mind downsizing to a smaller, more economical car at some point, but the lack of seat adjustments is a dealbreaker for me.

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Comfortable:

Chevrolet Sonic
Nissan Versa


Uncomfortable:

Ford Fusion
Ford Taurus
Mazda 3


I have driven 10k+ miles in rental Sonics this summer on cross-country trips and have been very surprised as to how comfortable they were.

The Versa is a fairly comfortable car in all four seating positions. I have been in the rear seat behind a driver my size and found it very comfortable. Having said that, passenger comfort is the ONLY endearing quality of that car. It suffers from a poor ride as well as reliability.

Not to sound repetitive, but never buy without a LONG test drive or a daily rental.

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Re: Car-Certified Lexus LS 460 Vs New ES 350 Vs New RX 350

Post by bostonsnowboarder » Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:31 am

randomguy wrote:
jlawrence01 wrote:
bostonsnowboarder wrote:This is a great discussion. Thanks. It was a good read for me.

I am considering between the same three cars, however the priority factor in a car for me is COMFORT, since I have back pain issues and a 45-60 mile drive to work each way. So I'm trying to figure out which car gives the best combination of a smooth, cushy ride and a SUPER comfortable seat!

I have a price limit of approx $40,000 - $45,000 (self imposed limit), so feasibly it is a question between a CPO LS versus new ES or RX.

Not meaning to sound like a smart alack BUT ... YOU have to put YOUR BUTT in the seat of each of the vehicles in order for you to tell what you find to be the most comfortable. Fifty people can ride a vehicle and not all of them will find a vehicle comfortable.

As a fleet manager, I have test driven perhaps 250 models over the years. There are certain subcompact cars that I have driven that have been very comfortable and some full sized vehicles that I found to be human torture racks at 6'2" and 250#.

I have had two friends with significant back issues swear that the Ford Crown Victoria was the most comfortable car that they have driven. It is not a car that I would consider but that was their feedback.
To some extent you really need to rent it for a day. It is easy for a seat to be comfortable for 20 mins. When you are talking 1+, sometimes those comfortable seats are not so great.

Same thing as far as cushy rides and the like. The LS,ES and RX are all pretty cushy (assuming you don't get some sport package) cars for most people. Things like easy of entry (a lot of people like the step into SUVs versus step donw cars) could be a factor depending on what your back issues are. For some people they cross the line from cushy to not enough feedback.

Personally I think the LS is too big of car. That rear seat room is great when you are being chauferred around but I find 200+" cars to be too big. That extra 10" over the ES makes parking tricky. Maybe if I had a deeper garage. And no the added LS 0-60 doesn't do anything for me.

The RX versus ES is all about AWD and form factor preference. But you would have to buy an RX before the new model comes out. So far the new look isn't doing it for me. Maybe it looks better in person...
Good points - and a great idea to rent it for a day or two. A bit of exploration on Google shows that at least some of the Lexus models CAN actually be rented by the day...

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Re: Car-Certified Lexus LS 460 Vs New ES 350 Vs New RX 350

Post by tim1999 » Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:13 am

ram wrote:Update: I bought a Lexus LS 460, 2012 model CPO with 41000 miles. It had just completed a 3 yr lease. It was listed at 46 K and I got it for 40,200 (40,000 and 200 documentation fee, plus tax and plates). I have been using it now for the last 3-4 weeks and we both like it. Paid cash. There was no trade in. My old vehicle (Avalon 2006 model) went to my daughter.
Not sure if you will see this, but I am curious to hear how your negotiations played out. In my area, as with many others, the Lexus dealer prices their used cars way over market value. Same exact LS460 sitting on the used lot at a Mercedes, Audi, etc. dealer will almost always be listed for a few thousand less. My opening offer on a LS460 listed for $50k that had been sitting there for 2 months was $44k and they basically said "sorry sir we can't do that." No counter offer from them, nothing, game over, goodbye. I ended up not buying a Lexus but would consider attempting to buy one again.

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Post by ram » Sun Feb 07, 2016 6:21 pm

Saw this today. I got exact same response from some of the dealerships but not this one . Of note I had seen a private party LS earlier that day and had a bill from a mechanic that I had evaluated it paying my own money. They knew I was serious. I told them that is what I would pay or else I was going for the private party sale. I actually walked out because they rejected my offer by $500. My wife was angry with me for not spending the last $500. And just then the guy came running behind me to say they accept my offer.
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Post by LadyIJ » Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:59 am

bostonsnowboarder wrote:This is a great discussion. Thanks. It was a good read for me.

I am considering between the same three cars, however the priority factor in a car for me is COMFORT, since I have back pain issues and a 45-60 mile drive to work each way. So I'm trying to figure out which car gives the best combination of a smooth, cushy ride and a SUPER comfortable seat!

I have a price limit of approx $40,000 - $45,000 (self imposed limit), so feasibly it is a question between a CPO LS versus new ES or RX.
Did you buy a car, and if so, what did you get and how did it work out. This could be ME - comfort and the back issues. I will be trading in a beautiful car that was a mistake for my back issues. Yes, I know NOW you have to test drive for more than an HOUR to know. Oh, and as another poster said - Marquis. Ugh. not for me - I'm not THAT old YET.

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Re: Car-Certified Lexus LS 460 Vs New ES 350 Vs New RX 350

Post by Nova1967 » Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:47 am

Browser wrote:Where you live, who is going to do the maintenance on a Lexus? As I recall, the warranty for Lexus is 4 years, so you might have a little left on a 2011 but it will need to go to a Lexus dealer for warranty service I imagine. Also, another poster mentioned the sky high maintenance costs on Lexus, which I've heard also. If you're willing to part with up to $42K, you might want to consider a new Highlander since you've liked Toyotas. I drove a 2015 and found it to have a very nice ride over bumpy surfaces, was very quiet also. I drove the Limited with leather and the goodies and very nice interior also. Not as sporty as Lexus but if I lived in rural Wisconsin, sporty would probably not be way up the list of desirable characteristics.
A Lexus a basically a luxury Toyota can be maintained at a Toyota dealership for half the cost.

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