
Didn't get going until late in life (early 40s)
The Money Rat
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Year Age Net-Worth Investments Comments
Updated for 2017 - great year.SeaToTheBay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:33 pm 2006: 47k. Graduated college, bought condo 50/50 with parents (bad timing, good location - still have it and renting out). Had saved all money from birthdays, Christmas, etc. since I was 5, mutual fund since 10, usually $300/mo from HS/college side jobs into a Roth IRA. My parents set me up well with regards to a saving mindset!![]()
2007: 81k (age 23, first full year of employment, four-figure college debt due to parents' help, working during college, and low in-state tuition)
2008: 89k (I remember 2008 I saved 39k and lost 40k in investments... like pouring water into a strainer)
2009: 109k
2010: 164k
2011: 157k (started full-time MBA)
2012: 72k
mid-2013: 56k (graduated MBA along with now-wife, started work again, 110k in student loans)
2013: 95k
2014: 161k
2015: 270k single / 432k married![]()
2016: 657k married (bought townhouse in HCOL area)
2017: 1,125k, finished paying off student loans
We are now accumulating much faster than we were before. Jobs are paying better (+60% since graduating MBA), investments doing well, RE doing well, student loans done, cars paid off. We are very fortunate, especially with wife getting a full ride to undergrad and MBA. Would be a lot more difficult if our student loan debt was doubled.
Agreed. my unofficial goal is to keep my invested $ level vis a vis contributions in case of a major correction.letsgobobby wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:55 pm I wonder how popular this thread will be at the bottom of our next major market correction.
Is there any predictive value to NP/day? The more new posts there are the lower future market returns are expected to be?
Find your local fortune teller. Her guess will be as good as that of anyone else.letsgobobby wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:36 pm I’m an obsessive recordkeeper like many Bogleheads and have tracked quarterly net worth since I was 25 years old. I stopped tracking everything for about a year in 2008 and 2009 because it was so painful. I only know my numbers because years later I went back and filled in the blanks.
It was very painful and I have ten times as much at risk now. So... I think this thread’s popularity may be peaking around the same time as the market. Now, if someone will just tell me when that is.
I suppose you could have said the same thing back in May of 2013 (the date of this initial posting). And yet here we are today (over 3 1/2 years later) with a much higher stock market (and no major stock market correction). You're correct about this thread not being popular at the bottom of our next major stock market correction. Good luck predicting when that will happen.letsgobobby wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:55 pm I wonder how popular this thread will be at the bottom of our next major market correction.
Is there any predictive value to NP/day? The more new posts there are the lower future market returns are expected to be?
Perhaps you need to redefine your risk level. After all, it’s all about ones need, ability and willingness to take risk. Lighten up on your stock exposure and sleep better at night (works better than a "My Pillow"letsgobobby wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:36 pm I’m an obsessive recordkeeper like many Bogleheads and have tracked quarterly net worth since I was 25 years old. I stopped tracking everything for about a year in 2008 and 2009 because it was so painful. I only know my numbers because years later I went back and filled in the blanks.
It was very painful and I have ten times as much at risk now. So... I think this thread’s popularity may be peaking around the same time as the market. Now, if someone will just tell me when that is.
I like this approach. Is that on a log scale? I am surprised it does not show more of an exponential growth pattern.TomatoTomahto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:34 am
This represents our progression over the past two decades or so. I've intentionally obscured the amounts. What is important is that patience and LBYM works. Progress was slow in the first decade. The funny bumps in the line are due to my wife's bonuses, which are a considerable part of her compensation. Some of the dips are due to kids' tuition, home renovations, market setbacks, etc., but I think that the overlapping dots do a nice job of showing the steady progress.
No, not a log scale
TomatoTomahto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:31 pmNo, not a log scale![]()
We have always had a larger bond allocation than most people, and have been putting 4 kids through college at full pay, two of them also in private HS at almost equal tuition. I was mostly protecting against a black swan; slow and steady was good enough for me. You’ll see that we didn’t do badly during the unpleasantness in 2007/8.
Not to get political, and my wife has done well recently (some years after I became a SAHD), but her earnings have been affected by the still existing gender discrimination. It’s better than it was, but your earnings don’t ever catch up.
Most probably don't because one just does not know how much one will have to pay in taxes just as you have proven.straws46 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:00 pm Have not seen this mentioned when discussing net worth. I am retired and my only liability is deferred taxes, but it is a substantial sum. I add up all tax deferred accounts and used to factor 34% federal taxes plus 4.8% state taxes to determine my differed tax liability. With the new tax rates, my federal incremental rate went down to 24% which resulted in a substantial bump in net worth on January 1st. Do other bogleheads consider deferred taxes when calculating net worth?
"Unpaid Taxes" are listed as a liability, but I think that applies to taxes that are due and payable on the date of the statement.A net worth statement reports the market value of your assets and the balance owed on your debts at a MOMENT in time (compare to an income statement and/or budget). For example, you might create a net worth statement for yourself as of December 31, 2014. The difference between the total value of your assets and the total balance of your debt is your net worth.
For our story ...ThreeBears wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:14 am I suppose this is like anything else, where the people who respond are the people with the best stories . . . like the vacation posts that have the people who take amazing vacations.
So, many of these posts are "well, i started like, but I saved hard for the last 3 years and I can retire in 4 more years."
I save a lot by most standards. I have about $300k in liquid assets. I don't think I'll reach $1 million for another 10 years. And that's a decent amount of money, but I doubt I'll retire for a long time after that (assuming I have the option . . . as Mr. Klang likes to remind people).
No kidding! I hit $200k last year and being in my early 30's, I think I'm doing very well as compared to the general population.Go Blue 99 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:55 am You know you're on Bogleheads when 38 is considered late to hit 2 comma status![]()
Lol.. I thought the same thing when I read that.Go Blue 99 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:55 amYou know you're on Bogleheads when 38 is considered late to hit 2 comma status![]()
snackdog - I found your analysis to be very intriguing, especially the convergence to a 20% CAGR after 25 years or so (which matches my personal CAGR exactly). I appreciate the effort you put into compiling and analyzing the data. Nice work!snackdog wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:05 am With about 200 respondents, I plotted up some of the data for your review (at least for those which it was straightforward to understand the entries). I used the starting and ending net worth along with period intervening to calculate average increase per year and to calculate a CAGR.
The CAGR seems to converge to around 20% after 25 years or so. Note that this figure includes anything which contributed to (or subtracted from) your net worth - savings, investment return, real estate appreciation (if included), inheritances/windfalls, etc.
Plotted on log scale, it is interesting that the maximum CAGR drops over time from about 200% to less than 40%. The CAGR floor stays constant around 10%. I highlighted some of the larger ending numbers (>$4 million net worth).
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What are non taxable investments?Count of Notre Dame wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:43 pm 34-year old married couple with two kids. I'm in investment operations for a mutual fund complex and she's an OB-GYN doc.
https://imgur.com/a/Ax4I2
Kudos very-special Penta Millionaire!
Awesome Penta Millionaire again! It's close to $600k/year new monies injested into market each year. Very successful indeed !
2017 - ages 39/53 - 138k (investments EOY 166k (36k contribution, pretty proud of that), 28k loan balance (different loan than last year, paid off that one, but had to buy replacement vehicle after accident totaled spouse's, 3 years too early in terms of saving up for it), still waiting on SSDI application/appeal for spouse)Edie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:51 pm Decided to share even though not as impressive as others. I only have approximate #s in the earlier years, since I didn't actually track until 2012 when I became eligible for 401k at work. Loans and investments only, mortgage/equity is left out of the calculations because our house is where we live, not an investment (we have lots of equity from buying near the bottom of the market, but no desire to move), and there's another small chunk of money in our HSA, but with spouse's health issues I don't count that as part of our net worth either. It's just accumulating to be spent.
1996 - 2006 (first marriage) 18 to 28, assume +/-2k depending on time of year, tax refunds or CC debt
2006 - age 28 - 0 (left abusive marriage with nothing to my name but the best thing to ever happen to me, my 3 girls, net worth was actually probably negative with credit card debt from my ex, but I don't even remember/care anymore, calling it zero, game over, hard reset to last save point of HS grad (I'm obviously a product of the Nintendo generation, a few years older maybe, but still!))
2007 - age 29 - (8k) (started school at community college, had to pay out of state tuition rate first year, but my amazing mom paid a year's rent up front to let me focus on my girls, my studies and my psyche)
2008 - age 30 - (13k) (started receving merit scholarships and grants this year and in-state tuition rates, but still large loan increase to pay for living expenses and rent since working two part-time jobs wasn't covering it)
2009 - age 31 - (19k) (switched from CC to university, more loans)
2010 - age 32 - (25k) (year of home purchase, not included in calcs)
2011 - ages 33/47 - (35k) (graduated and started great job a week later, leased new car
, remarried <3 and gained a son, a few months younger than my oldest)
2012 - ages 34/48 - (31k) (investments EOY 9k, loan balances 40k, purchased car for my mom to drive to help pick up kids from schoolwas a trade off between gas for her gas-guzzling tank (suburban), or this, which the kids would then be able to drive eventually)
2013 - ages 35/49 - 0!!! (investments EOY 27k, loan balances 27k)
2014 - ages 36/50 - 35k (investments EOY 51k, loan balances 16k, paid off "mom/kid car" loan, bought out the lease on my Prius, spouse put on disability)
2015 - ages 37/51 - 72k (investments EOY 83k, loan balances 9k, new great job, oldest started college)
2016 - ages 38/52 - 104k (investments EOY 110k, 6k loan balance, final student loan paid off a couple months before 5 years out of school, son started (and stopped) college this year, permanent disability for spouse per insurance
but still waiting on SSDI application/appeal)
Hoping to increase the investment/loan payoff amounts this year past 30k with only one kid in college again, but single income (+ small disability insurance for spouse) and spouse's health are limiting factors.
I am truly curious to know if people making statements such as that - "hoping to hit $1m this year, a bit late at age 38" - realize how out of touch they are with reality or if it is kind of a humblebrag? FWIW, I'm currently 36 (wife is 31) and we'll likely be just a bit short of $1m in 2yrs and we feel absolutely fabulous about our current position, and without really having a clue about our networth (but, I believe, actually greatly underestimating it), we are (not so secretly) viewed as the "rich ones" among our family and circle of friends.bligh wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:00 pmLol.. I thought the same thing when I read that.Go Blue 99 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:55 amYou know you're on Bogleheads when 38 is considered late to hit 2 comma status![]()
That is 96th percentile based on the DQYDJ net worth percentile calculator for that age group. If that was a grade, it would be an A+.
Even half as much (500K) would have you at 92%. Which would still be an A.
I think it's mostly the fact that people on boggleheads are not an even cross-section of society, and people are comparing themselves to other people on the site and in their social circle rather than society at large. Perceptions of wealth are extremely context dependent.Traveling in a rural part of a developing country, I would feel fabulously wealthy. Sitting in a room full public company CEOs, I would feel rather poor.stoptothink wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:59 amI am truly curious to know if people making statements such as that - "hoping to hit $1m this year, a bit late at age 38" - realize how out of touch they are with reality or if it is kind of a humblebrag? FWIW, I'm currently 36 (wife is 31) and we'll likely be just a bit short of $1m in 2yrs and we feel absolutely fabulous about our current position, and without really having a clue about our networth (but, I believe, actually greatly underestimating it), we are (not so secretly) viewed as the "rich ones" among our family and circle of friends.bligh wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:00 pmLol.. I thought the same thing when I read that.Go Blue 99 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:55 amYou know you're on Bogleheads when 38 is considered late to hit 2 comma status![]()
That is 96th percentile based on the DQYDJ net worth percentile calculator for that age group. If that was a grade, it would be an A+.
Even half as much (500K) would have you at 92%. Which would still be an A.