Best non-Tesla EV?

[z91]

My wife's car is getting long in the tooth and I want to prepare myself to pull the trigger on a new car when the time comes. We would have bought a Tesla Model Y but are not interested in Tesla at all at this point.

Purpose would be to shuttle our school-aged kids to classes and the occasional road trip. Our other car is a rather new SUV which is AWD and takes gas so it would be better suited for road trips so we don't have to worry about charging.

We definitely want to get an EV this time around, and are open to anything compact to an SUV. Ideally we'd spend under 50k for it, so things like Rivian and Lucid are out. Reliability is high on our list of things to look out for.

[kinless]

Probably look at Ford Mustang Mach-E, Hyundai Ioniq 5, or Honda Prologue. All of them start under $50k and get 300+ miles per charge. They're all fairly new so it's hard to speak to long-term reliability (5+ years).

(These are the ones I've been researching for my own purchase this year, but I'm leaning more towards a PHEV for longer trips and will only have the one ride.)

edit: yes I meant Prologue, not Prelude. My bad!

[MnD]

We love everything about our Hyundai Ioniq 5 we leased in December.
It qualifies for the "EV lease loophole" to capture the $7500 federal credit, our state EV credit was $5350, Hyundai added a $7500 rebate on top of the $7500 EV credit and the dealer took another $2500 off.

Our two year lease 24K mile ended up costing a grand total of $4,966 (single payment at signing) for the $59.5K top of the line Limited trim.
Effectively $224 per month.

Here's a link to the deal specifics.
https://leasehackr.com/calculator?make= ... e_das=4966

[alfaspider]

My wife's car is getting long in the tooth and I want to prepare myself to pull the trigger on a new car when the time comes. We would have bought a Tesla Model Y but are not interested in Tesla at all at this point.

Purpose would be to shuttle our school-aged kids to classes and the occasional road trip. Our other car is a rather new SUV which is AWD and takes gas so it would be better suited for road trips so we don't have to worry about charging.

We definitely want to get an EV this time around, and are open to anything compact to an SUV. Ideally we'd spend under 50k for it, so things like Rivian and Lucid are out. Reliability is high on our list of things to look out for.

You can find lightly used Lucid Airs (less than 10k miles and only 1-2 years old) for $50k. That would be my choice for $50k. Besides that, the Hyundai Ioniq 5 (SUV-ish) and 6 (Sedan) earn high marks. The 5 recently got a refresh, while the 6 is due to get one later this year (Better range, among other things).

[Longdog]

Probably look at Ford Mustang Mach-E, Hyundai Ioniq 5, or Honda Prelude. All of them start under $50k and get 300+ miles per charge. They're all fairly new so it's hard to speak to long-term reliability (5+ years).

(These are the ones I've been researching for my own purchase this year, but I'm leaning more towards a PHEV for longer trips and will only have the one ride.)

What country are you in, to be considering a Prelude at this time? My understanding is it’s hybrid, not an EV. I’m hopeful that when it reaches the United States, it will pick up where its predecessor left off, in terms of performance and handling. Would love to see one in action.

[anoop]

Probably look at Ford Mustang Mach-E, Hyundai Ioniq 5, or Honda Prelude. All of them start under $50k and get 300+ miles per charge. They're all fairly new so it's hard to speak to long-term reliability (5+ years).

(These are the ones I've been researching for my own purchase this year, but I'm leaning more towards a PHEV for longer trips and will only have the one ride.)

What country are you in, to be considering a Prelude at this time? My understanding is it’s hybrid, not an EV. I’m hopeful that when it reaches the United States, it will pick up where its predecessor left off, in terms of performance and handling. Would love to see one in action.

Prologue is what was meant. It's been selling like hot cakes. And that would probably be my pick in this price range. I really like the looks and ride of the ID.4 but I think reliability has been sketchy. I am hearing of people getting killer deals on them, though.

[HooCares]

Probably look at Ford Mustang Mach-E, Hyundai Ioniq 5, or Honda Prelude. All of them start under $50k and get 300+ miles per charge. They're all fairly new so it's hard to speak to long-term reliability (5+ years).

(These are the ones I've been researching for my own purchase this year, but I'm leaning more towards a PHEV for longer trips and will only have the one ride.)

What country are you in, to be considering a Prelude at this time? My understanding is it’s hybrid, not an EV. I’m hopeful that when it reaches the United States, it will pick up where its predecessor left off, in terms of performance and handling. Would love to see one in action.

I'm sure he meant the Honda Prologue.

[kinless]

What country are you in, to be considering a Prelude at this time? My understanding is it’s hybrid, not an EV. I’m hopeful that when it reaches the United States, it will pick up where its predecessor left off, in terms of performance and handling. Would love to see one in action.

Thanks for catching that, I meant the Prologue. Fixed my original post.

[srt7]

Honda Prologue or Ford Mustang Mach-e would be my recommendations. Alternatively I do like the retro styling of Hyundai's Ioniq, but it is very subjective.

[Vogatrice]

I’m really enjoying my all-electric Volvo XC-40. I’ve had it a year now and it’s been flawless. Cost a bit more than you suggested, but if you have a bit of wiggle room, take a look.

[hedge_hog88]

The alternative would be a plug-in hybrid. I find battery-only EV is best if you have the charging infrastructure at home. Toyota Prius Prime would be perfect for hauling kids around town.

[alfaspider]

What country are you in, to be considering a Prelude at this time? My understanding is it’s hybrid, not an EV. I’m hopeful that when it reaches the United States, it will pick up where its predecessor left off, in terms of performance and handling. Would love to see one in action.

Prologue is what was meant. It's been selling like hot cakes. And that would probably be my pick in this price range. I really like the looks and ride of the ID.4 but I think reliability has been sketchy. I am hearing of people getting killer deals on them, though.

Prologue = Chevy Equinox. It's a rebadge. That's not a bad thing, but it means you can cross-shop. The Chevy version may be cheaper for the same car.

[Catalina25]

The Chevy Blazer EV caught my eye.

[mrb09]

Been very happy with our 2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5. We mostly use it around town, but have done a few multi day road trips, and regularly do a day trip where we need to charge, the charging speed is great. The 2025's are now built in the US and have the new NACS ports for charging, they're supposed to be eligible for the Fed rebate again, although who knows these days.

There's been some discussion of ICCU failures (the computer that controls 12v battery charging), and there have been a few recalls to adjust the programming, but we've never had issues.

[anoop]

Prologue is what was meant. It's been selling like hot cakes. And that would probably be my pick in this price range. I really like the looks and ride of the ID.4 but I think reliability has been sketchy. I am hearing of people getting killer deals on them, though.

Prologue = Chevy Equinox. It's a rebadge. That's not a bad thing, but it means you can cross-shop. The Chevy version may be cheaper for the same car.

I don’t like the styling, interior design, or what they did with the infotainment (no CarPlay) in the Chevy.

[niceguy7376]

Been very happy with our 2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5. We mostly use it around town, but have done a few multi day road trips, and regularly do a day trip where we need to charge, the charging speed is great. The 2025's are now built in the US and have the new NACS ports for charging, they're supposed to be eligible for the Fed rebate again, although who knows these days.

There's been some discussion of ICCU failures (the computer that controls 12v battery charging), and there have been a few recalls to adjust the programming, but we've never had issues.

22 Hyundai Ioniq 5 owner. Already at 45K+.
Did a 3K 10 day trip from GA to Maine using EA charging network in 2022.

You either love or hate the shape/outside design but inside is very comfortable and pretty good leg space even in the second row.

chevy equinox is the cheapest EV that has 250+ miles range I think

[rogue_economist]

Our other car is a rather new SUV which is AWD and takes gas so it would be better suited for road trips so we don't have to worry about charging.

Although it would be better for road trips than an EV, I wouldn't consider that a good road trip car. Might be worth going back to the drawing board a bit on your vehicle lineup generally. Maybe skip getting an EV and get a good road trip car as the second car.

[Catalina25]

Prologue = Chevy Equinox. It's a rebadge. That's not a bad thing, but it means you can cross-shop. The Chevy version may be cheaper for the same car.

Honda uses GM's Chevy Blazer EV architecture for the Prologue.

[Mayacallie]

I own a 2018 Tesla S, but understand the lack of love.
I’ve driven the Honda Prologue and the Acura version ZDX. I have 2 other Hondas, and love the brand. Great cares to drive, but the range isn’t useful for road trips, especially with the patchwork quilt of non Tesla charging. If local driving, they are great. The local, Arizona dealers, can’t give them away, so great lease offers are posted every month. The Honda was $299/ month when I was looking, but higher now?

[simas]

My wife's car is getting long in the tooth and I want to prepare myself to pull the trigger on a new car when the time comes. We would have bought a Tesla Model Y but are not interested in Tesla at all at this point.

Purpose would be to shuttle our school-aged kids to classes and the occasional road trip. Our other car is a rather new SUV which is AWD and takes gas so it would be better suited for road trips so we don't have to worry about charging.

We definitely want to get an EV this time around, and are open to anything compact to an SUV. Ideally we'd spend under 50k for it, so things like Rivian and Lucid are out. Reliability is high on our list of things to look out for.

not much choice (I am shopping the same price category) - Kia , Hyundai and GM are options.
GM - prepare to pay for subscriptions as part of their strategy. Quality is GM (not good). plus- probably cheapest.
Hyundai/Kia - all massively behind in heating and cooling tech for EVs behind Testa. Search in youtube for car care nut reviews and watch him going through Tesla and other EVs, you will learn fair amount. He thought (and justified) that Tesla is many years ahead in technology and simplicity (and therefore reliability) compare to anything else in the same or higher price range. He also thought that Tesla spent all of its budget on internal tech and rest of it was 'glued together with cheap glue'.

[alfaspider]

Prologue = Chevy Equinox. It's a rebadge. That's not a bad thing, but it means you can cross-shop. The Chevy version may be cheaper for the same car.

Honda uses GM's Chevy Blazer EV architecture for the Prologue.

It's not just the architecture. They are built side by side in the same factory. But there are stylistic and infotainment differences (such as lack of Carplay in the GM version).

[Harmanic]

Porsche Taycan is pretty sweet.

[TN_Boy]

Our other car is a rather new SUV which is AWD and takes gas so it would be better suited for road trips so we don't have to worry about charging.

Although it would be better for road trips than an EV, I wouldn't consider that a good road trip car. Might be worth going back to the drawing board a bit on your vehicle lineup generally. Maybe skip getting an EV and get a good road trip car as the second car.

Without even knowing the make and model of the SUV, how can one assert it is not a good road trip vehicle??

[rogue_economist]

Although it would be better for road trips than an EV, I wouldn't consider that a good road trip car. Might be worth going back to the drawing board a bit on your vehicle lineup generally. Maybe skip getting an EV and get a good road trip car as the second car.

Without even knowing the make and model of the SUV, how can one assert it is not a good road trip vehicle??

By knowing its an SUV, which is a poorly optimized design for road travel. Doesn't matter which make or model.

[TN_Boy]

Without even knowing the make and model of the SUV, how can one assert it is not a good road trip vehicle??

By knowing its an SUV, which is a poorly optimized design for road travel. Doesn't matter which make or model.

Well, that's one opinion. Millions and millions of American car buyers disagree .

[rogue_economist]

By knowing its an SUV, which is a poorly optimized design for road travel. Doesn't matter which make or model.

Well, that's one opinion. Millions and millions of American car buyers disagree .

Millions and millions of car buyers really have no clue what they are doing. Millions of people also pay asset managers 2% to invest their money in high cost actively managed funds that badly underperform the market, but that doesn't make that a good decision either.

The average buyer ends up with what commercials and a sales person told them was for them. Add on top of that unintended regulatory consequences dumped SUVs on Americans and it isn't surprising that is what people end up with.

However, that has nothing to do with being the right vehicle design for the task at hand.

[TN_Boy]

Well, that's one opinion. Millions and millions of American car buyers disagree .

Millions and millions of car buyers really have no clue what they are doing. Millions of people also pay asset managers 2% to invest their money in high cost actively managed funds that badly underperform the market, but that doesn't make that a good decision either.

The average buyer ends up with what commercials and a sales person told them was for them. Add on top of that unintended regulatory consequences dumped SUVs on Americans and it isn't surprising that is what people end up with.

However, that has nothing to do with being the right vehicle design for the task at hand.

I shouldn't have started this digression and will refrain from responding (though I disagree with most of your post). The OP has wit enough to know if their SUV is a good road trip vehicle or not.

[Yarlonkol12]

With how much used EVs are discounted, even though I could easily afford a new one I would most likely just buy a used one when as can get a 1-2 year old version of pretty much any EV for 50% off, or more.

I really like the look of Ioniq 5, and I hear great things about them from car reviews, that's probably the one I would go with. However, my use case would just be charging at home and driving around town.

[heyyou]

Consumer Reports magazine has an annual car issue every April, and updated car info in shorter articles throughout the year, and they have a website where searching might help with consolidated info on specific brands.

[mrb09]

Hyundai/Kia - all massively behind in heating and cooling tech for EVs behind Testa. Search in youtube for car care nut reviews and watch him going through Tesla and other EVs, you will learn fair amount. He thought (and justified) that Tesla is many years ahead in technology and simplicity (and therefore reliability) compare to anything else in the same or higher price range. He also thought that Tesla spent all of its budget on internal tech and rest of it was 'glued together with cheap glue'.

Never heard that, heating and cooling seems fine on the Ioniq 5. Are there are source other than "car nut" youtube reviews? Pretty sure all Ioniq 5's have heat pumps now, although some of the early lower trim models didn't.

The simplicity of using a touch screen for everything seems subjective, I personally like to have a few knobs (and a door I can open manually if needed).

[quantAndHold]

The Ioniq 5 is (my opinion) ugly as sin, but otherwise top of the class for compact SUV’s. I suspect people buy it because it’s a good car despite its appearance, not because of its appearance.

We love our Chevy Bolt, except for the slow DC charging. We thought we would always be charging at home, but the state (CA) sent us a $2k credit card for public charging, and being too frugal for our own good, we seem doomed to spend the next 2 years sitting at public chargers, “fast” charging for free. Otherwise, it’s a fabulous car. Very reliable. Of course you can’t get one now, but apparently Chevy is coming out with a new Bolt later this year, with a redesigned power train, which will hopefully solve the charging issue. We got a $199 NACS adapter which allows us to charge at Tesla chargers. As much as I don’t want that man to have any of my money, having that adapter makes my life easier.

[Average Investor]

Another vote for the Chevy Bolt (2023). Best car I’ve ever owned. Charging is slow by today’s standards but it’s manageable imho. I drove my car cross country and back, no issues.

The EUV model has extra rear legroom which would be great for kids. The EV model has standard rear legroom.

These cars can found relatively cheaply now and may still qualify for a $4k tax credit at dealers.

[jimhend1]

the state (CA) sent us a $2k credit card for public charging,

How'd you do that? I bought in Cali Jan2024 and never saw state sponsored charging.

[anoop]

the state (CA) sent us a $2k credit card for public charging,

How'd you do that? I bought in Cali Jan2024 and never saw state sponsored charging.

https://cleanvehiclerebate.org/en/faqs
https://cleanvehiclerebate.org/en/eligi ... guidelines
(It looks like it stopped after Nov 2023.)

[Wannaretireearly]

We like our EV9. $3k down and $400 ish a month for 24 months.
I like the lease concept for EVs at these prices.

I can imagine a flood of these EV vehicles coming for sale after leases are over.

[hunoraut]

Never heard that, heating and cooling seems fine on the Ioniq 5. Are there are source other than "car nut" youtube reviews?

Heating and cooling in this context does not mean the cabin climate. It means temperature management of battery, which is required for longevity and optimal performance. For example, to get the highest charging power, the battery must be brought to a certain temperature window. Tesla will predict when you arrive at a charger, so it will start to preheat the battery to reach its optimum when you arrive (without overconsumption or wastefulness by scavenging heat). Its a fairly sophisticated algorithm that other companies don't do as well.

The Ioniq 5 is (my opinion) ugly as sin, but otherwise top of the class for compact SUV’s. I suspect people buy it because it’s a good car despite its appearance, not because of its appearance.

It's a standout design for sure, and many people like the retro uniqueness. My friend was drawn to one for the looks. It's one of the roomier cars in its class, which is actually larger than it looks.

[TN_Boy]

Never heard that, heating and cooling seems fine on the Ioniq 5. Are there are source other than "car nut" youtube reviews?

Heating and cooling in this context does not mean the cabin climate. It means temperature management of battery, which is required for longevity and optimal performance. For example, to get the highest charging power, the battery must be brought to a certain temperature window. Tesla will predict when you arrive at a charger, so it will start to preheat the battery to reach its optimum when you arrive (without overconsumption or wastefulness by scavenging heat). Its a fairly sophisticated algorithm that other companies don't do as well.

The Ioniq 5 is (my opinion) ugly as sin, but otherwise top of the class for compact SUV’s. I suspect people buy it because it’s a good car despite its appearance, not because of its appearance.

It's a standout design for sure, and many people like the retro uniqueness. My friend was drawn to one for the looks. It's one of the roomier cars in its class, which is actually larger than it looks.

I actually like the look of the Ioniq 5! It seems like a pretty capable car from the reviews.

In practical terms, what does Tesla's better temperature management get you? Faster charging in cold weather? Battery life extended?

[TrueBlueNYC]

Seconding this vote for the IONIQ 5! I bought mine three years ago, and it has performed flawlessly. Very solid build quality, excellent mileage, very generous headroom/trunk, etc. And at the time I bought mine, I got $8,000 off in combined fed/state incentives, so this made it a no brainer!!!

We love everything about our Hyundai Ioniq 5 we leased in December.
It qualifies for the "EV lease loophole" to capture the $7500 federal credit, our state EV credit was $5350, Hyundai added a $7500 rebate on top of the $7500 EV credit and the dealer took another $2500 off.

Our two year lease 24K mile ended up costing a grand total of $4,966 (single payment at signing) for the $59.5K top of the line Limited trim.
Effectively $224 per month.

Here's a link to the deal specifics.
https://leasehackr.com/calculator?make= ... e_das=4966

[TomatoTomahto]

In practical terms, what does Tesla's better temperature management get you? Faster charging in cold weather? Battery life extended?

It does get you faster charging in cold weather. I’m not so sure that Tesla is better than my Mercedes (have owned both), but can’t speak to Ioniq. As far as extending battery life, I don’t think that’s an issue as long as you don’t fast charge constantly.

[Startled Cat]

Lots of love here for the Ioniq 5. I've been leasing one for the past year and regret the choice.

Getting the pros out of the way: Very comfortable, mechanically sound, good range, fast level 3 charging. Came with free Electrify America charging for the life of the lease, which I use almost exclusively. Good entertainment system
and CarPlay integration.

Negatives: Safety/assistance features range from pointless to aggravating... i.e. random beeps in traffic because it thinks I'm parking. I had to disable the blind spot warning entirely because it's way too conservative to the point of being useless. There's no support for just showing the visual indicator and not !$&@$! beeping at me, which is a real shame. I tried the smart cruise control with lane following a few times and found it to be a silly gimmick - it yelled at me constantly because it couldn't reliably detect my cold hands on the steering wheel. Poor turning radius. Bigger car than I personally want (not a SUV person). No rear windshield wiper on my 2024, which is a HUGE miss. The rear window is also tinted and hard to see through even during the daytime (I thought my rearview mirror was defective at first and went back to the dealer about this)! The digital key doesn't work with iOS (what were they thinking?). There's no location-aware scheduled charging, which is important when you pay time-of-use electric rates at home.

Plus it's no fun to drive. Highly subjective, but I just feel like it has no soul. And I still find it so ugly.

I deeply miss my Bolt.

[neilpilot]

In practical terms, what does Tesla's better temperature management get you? Faster charging in cold weather? Battery life extended?

It does get you faster charging in cold weather. I’m not so sure that Tesla is better my Mercedes (have owned both), but can’t speak to Ioniq. As far as extending battery life, I don’t think that’s an issue as long as you don’t fast charge constantly.

I agree with TomatoTomahto.

However, as the aftermarket battery industry for EVs develops companies will likely begin to offer more large-scale and economic battery rebuild options.

In general, Tesla owners will have much less options for spent batteries to be "rebuilt" since Tesla battery modules are generally not accessible, but instead encased in a plastic structure where individual modules cannot be replaced. Maybe newer Tesla batteries are different, but traditionally you don't repair the Tesla structural pack, you grind it down and recycle the chemical components. OTOH non-Tesla EVs often have a more modular battery pack, where you can relatively easily unbolt and replace some or all of the "spent" modules.

[simas]

Hyundai/Kia - all massively behind in heating and cooling tech for EVs behind Testa. Search in youtube for car care nut reviews and watch him going through Tesla and other EVs, you will learn fair amount. He thought (and justified) that Tesla is many years ahead in technology and simplicity (and therefore reliability) compare to anything else in the same or higher price range. He also thought that Tesla spent all of its budget on internal tech and rest of it was 'glued together with cheap glue'.

Never heard that, heating and cooling seems fine on the Ioniq 5. Are there are source other than "car nut" youtube reviews? Pretty sure all Ioniq 5's have heat pumps now, although some of the early lower trim models didn't.

The simplicity of using a touch screen for everything seems subjective, I personally like to have a few knobs (and a door I can open manually if needed).

you are awfully defensive of your Ioniq 5 , which is fine. and physics is physics, it does not care about your brand preferences. people open the hood and raise EVs in mechanic shops to look at how the engineering was done. Tesla started it earlier and does it way better right now in terms of engineering than any competitors we have here in USA. there are Chinese EVs that copied and improved on it however we have no access to it.

also, I strongly share your preference for physical buttons, I do not like these design choices. I want (require) doors to open even if battery is dead too, I do not want to depend on 12V battery not running out and expect if I have the key door should open. I also want quiet cabin at this point in my life and Teslas had issues with build quality on their 'lower models' (3, Y, etc) which is a strike against it. All of that to say is that while personally I believe Tesla's engineering is five plus years ahead of GM, KIA, Hyndai where it matters (key component reliability, battery heating/cooling) , I am still not sure it is for me for other reasons mentioned. I want to see V2L and V2H enabled (Ioniq 5 can do V2L and people have shown Ioniq can do V2H with it) before I buy an EV.

[cityscapex5]

I think every manufacturer has an EV or line of EV's that will meet your needs. The amount of choices out there are great with sportier models. luxury and SUV's Don't over rotate on fast charging unless it is your only vehicle or won't have access to a 240V home charger. I've had an EV since the first Nissan Leaf and 3 others since then and just got a Blazer EV which is fantastic and a good choice for families given it's size and comfort, the Prologue should be equivalent. I've never needed to bring any of them in for regular service or repairs in a combined 140K miles. None of them have been a Tesla.

[simas]

Heating and cooling in this context does not mean the cabin climate. It means temperature management of battery, which is required for longevity and optimal performance. For example, to get the highest charging power, the battery must be brought to a certain temperature window. Tesla will predict when you arrive at a charger, so it will start to preheat the battery to reach its optimum when you arrive (without overconsumption or wastefulness by scavenging heat). Its a fairly sophisticated algorithm that other companies don't do as well.




It's a standout design for sure, and many people like the retro uniqueness. My friend was drawn to one for the looks. It's one of the roomier cars in its class, which is actually larger than it looks.

I actually like the look of the Ioniq 5! It seems like a pretty capable car from the reviews.

In practical terms, what does Tesla's better temperature management get you? Faster charging in cold weather? Battery life extended?

it gets you much better expected reliability - simpler design means less things to break. less parts/less moving parts -> less likely to break, easier and cheaper to repair.

there are known car manufacturers that went further than others in particular areas - i.e. AWD at Subaru is very different from AWD I get on my Honda right now (computer assisted jump in 'if needed' vs real always running all while drive) and Subaru is very good at that. i.e. Toyota did hybrids for car generations now and have one of the most proven and widely available hybrid designs (5th gen now?). Smart car manufacturers (i.e. Mazda) just license it for their cars knowing it who is the tech leader in that specific space. Tesla does EVs in terms of engineering of things that matter way ahead of 'newcomers' in same space/price range (I can not speak for Lucid or other luxury as I simply do not know), that is just it. if they would also license their tech I would happily consider Tesla internal engineering and non-Tesla cabin design choices (physical buttons, etc) however that is not available right now to my knowledge.

[MnD]

Hyundai/Kia - all massively behind in heating and cooling tech for EVs behind Testa. Search in youtube for car care nut reviews and watch him going through Tesla and other EVs, you will learn fair amount. He thought (and justified) that Tesla is many years ahead in technology and simplicity (and therefore reliability) compare to anything else in the same or higher price range. He also thought that Tesla spent all of its budget on internal tech and rest of it was 'glued together with cheap glue'.

Our 2024 Ioniq 5 has excellent interior heating and cooling. The best in a vehicle we have ever owned.
It has a heat pump and battery warming and cooling tech for faster charging.
The only issue is that our nearest free charger is 3 minutes away so battery warming I assume really doesn't have time to do the work required when we set it to "going to charger" mode. Unless we just let it sit for 15 minutes or whatever before heading over.

I've seen several comparisons where Ioniq 5's are charging faster at Tesla charging stations than Tesla's. Not by much but that suggest there isn't anything "way behind" on battery temperature management.

[TSR]

Happy with my 2023 Ioniq5 so far. I find them to be pretty attractive -- I realize some people don't.

[PottedPlant]

We own a VW ID.4 which we really like.
Our next door neighbors love their Kia EV6.

Even though we never lease, I would look at a lease. So many deals.

[TN_Boy]

I actually like the look of the Ioniq 5! It seems like a pretty capable car from the reviews.

In practical terms, what does Tesla's better temperature management get you? Faster charging in cold weather? Battery life extended?

it gets you much better expected reliability - simpler design means less things to break. less parts/less moving parts -> less likely to break, easier and cheaper to repair.

there are known car manufacturers that went further than others in particular areas - i.e. AWD at Subaru is very different from AWD I get on my Honda right now (computer assisted jump in 'if needed' vs real always running all while drive) and Subaru is very good at that. i.e. Toyota did hybrids for car generations now and have one of the most proven and widely available hybrid designs (5th gen now?). Smart car manufacturers (i.e. Mazda) just license it for their cars knowing it who is the tech leader in that specific space. Tesla does EVs in terms of engineering of things that matter way ahead of 'newcomers' in same space/price range (I can not speak for Lucid or other luxury as I simply do not know), that is just it. if they would also license their tech I would happily consider Tesla internal engineering and non-Tesla cabin design choices (physical buttons, etc) however that is not available right now to my knowledge.

I'm not understanding what battery temperature management has to do with "simpler design means less things to break. less parts/less moving parts -> less likely to break, easier and cheaper to repair. " Could you elaborate?

Not owning any EV, I have no opinion on whose under the hood tech is better other than whatever I might have read. A couple of posters on this thread have owned Teslas as well as other brand EVs.

For cars in general, there are lots of areas now where a tech might be better but I'm not sure what the real-world implications are. Subaru has a well regarded AWD, but will I notice the difference between Subaru AWD and that of Honda or Toyota or BMW, etc? (That's partly a question, partly a comment ... I have owned some of the vehicles mentioned with AWD). Where will I notice the difference?

I do not like the overemphasis (in my opinion) on touchscreens in many modern cars, including both ICE and EVs. Large displays with touchscreens are actually quite useful, but sometimes there wasn't enough thought applied on how the driver can safely operate touchscreen controls while underway (of course, some of that is probably just cost-cutting).

[chazas]

I really like my new Cadillac Lyriq when it’s not glitched. Good range, exceedingly comfortable.

[simas]

I'm not understanding what battery temperature management has to do with "simpler design means less things to break. less parts/less moving parts -> less likely to break, easier and cheaper to repair. " Could you elaborate?

look at this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSX02f9qepY

Hyndai - overcomplicated design , two different cooling system with two different coolants, etc. Sincere attempt to make mass electric car, finally decent charging times (10-80% <20 min)

Compare with actual video of how it works underneight model y, single valve responsible for all of the above. just use your own eyes on parts, design, etc. by the way, this specific reviewer does NOT like insides of Tesla, wants physical buttons (as I do) and does not like the build quality (separate from thermal management engineering).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HC72p2gfuQ

Not owning any EV, I have no opinion on whose under the hood tech is better other than whatever I might have read. A couple of posters on this thread have owned Teslas as well as other brand EVs.

For cars in general, there are lots of areas now where a tech might be better but I'm not sure what the real-world implications are. Subaru has a well regarded AWD, but will I notice the difference between Subaru AWD and that of Honda or Toyota or BMW, etc? (That's partly a question, partly a comment ... I have owned some of the vehicles mentioned with AWD). Where will I notice the difference?

I do not like the overemphasis (in my opinion) on touchscreens in many modern cars, including both ICE and EVs. Large displays with touchscreens are actually quite useful, but sometimes there wasn't enough thought applied on how the driver can safely operate touchscreen controls while underway (of course, some of that is probably just cost-cutting).

Same, I want a simple, reliable car that ideally could serve as backup battery for my house. I buy cars once and keep it for over decade.