What’s the deal with turntables?

[Tony-S]

I was in my local Barnes and Noble and they had hundreds of vinyl albums and several types of turntables for sale. I really don’t get it - what’s the allure of listening to all those snap, crackle and pops? Why not just buy rice crispies? When CDs came out, I stopped buying albums because the audio quality was so much better.

Ok turntablers, what’s your story?

[snackdog]

Turntables can produce a warm, rich sound that's unique to vinyl records and can't be replicated by digital music. Vinyl's analog format captures the full sound wave without the compression of digital formats

[rockstar]

Some new stuff is only coming out on vinyl. It's nostalgia.

I also heard about some recent VHS releases as well. This I really don't get.

[02nz]

Turntables can produce a warm, rich sound that's unique to vinyl records and can't be replicated by digital music.

You used a lot of words to say distortion.

[bobn60014]

I'm looking for another working Dual 1229q with base and cover.

Nostalgia? Yes. But, there is a large group that just loves the sound, the interaction with all the equipment and the mellowness of the sound that can't be beat.

[Boglenaut]

Vinyl's analog format captures the full sound wave...

Citation?

This is an incredible claim that I believe is incorrect. Think about the mechanics of how that sound is being captured and stored.

[Audioarc]

Trendy. Younger people especially will buy a mediocre turntable, amp and speakers thinking it’s better than CDs or streaming when in reality it isn’t. Audiophiles go down the analog rabbit hole and spend ungodly amounts on turntable, phono stage and cartridge which in a proper system sound great but in my experience the high end digital is not necessarily inferior sounding.

[Teague]

This debate did not start recently.

About a couple of decades ago or longer a leading hi-fi magazine decided to poll the most highly esteemed audio recording engineers of the day, the stars of that industry: Which produces better sound, a well mastered and recorded vinyl album, or a well mastered and recorded CD?

To a one they preferred CDs. Their comments were emphatic, the contest was not close.

[runner3081]

It is the teens. They have turntables, plenty of vinyls and now….gasp, cassettes are coming back.

Everything cycles in and out of popularity.

Having a CD is lame… owning the vinyl makes a statement.

Well and sharing playlists on Spotify is another status symbol or brag.

[Random Musings]

I'll take a high quality reel to reel recording over vinyl. That was the recording standard before digital.

However, reel to reel decays when compared to digital when replaying. Although you still have to mitigate against CD "rot", but that is longer term. Other factors as well come into play (like dynamic range), but most listeners would find both formats pleasing.

RM

[RJC]

This debate did not start recently.

About a couple of decades ago or longer a leading hi-fi magazine decided to poll the most highly esteemed audio recording engineers of the day, the stars of that industry: Which produces better sound, a well mastered and recorded vinyl album, or a well mastered and recorded CD?

To a one they preferred CDs. Their comments were emphatic, the contest was not close.

+1. Digital sound is superior to vinyl in every way, but purists will never accept it.

[Doctor Rhythm]

Some people like the lower fidelity, dynamic range compression, and high-frequency roll-off of vinyl compared to digital. That's fine.

People also like to have things that other people don't (exclusivity). Everyone can have access to millions of songs via streaming service, but you can feel special by having a collection of vinyl records and a turntable. There's also a whole body of knowledge and mythology around analog audio that you can acquire, which is another form of exclusivity. It's also easier to fetishize vinyl than a digital file. Some people like the ritual of cleaning an LP and carefully putting the tone arm down on the groove. That's also fine, I guess.

[windaar]

Analog simply sounds better to the human ear. The waves rise and fall curved like sand dunes. Digital rises and falls with sharp edges like a zuggurat. CDs also sound dead like there's a velvet curtain in the background soaking up all of the sound. LPs have a dynamic, warmer sound. If you have a good stereo system you can put this to the test by switching between a CD and an LP playing the same album. Give it a try with Miles Davis's Kind of Blue. there is no comparison.

[Mr. Rumples]

It is a warmer sound. It's a more natural sound - at least to my ears.

[JakeyLee]

It is nostalgia. And it’s a superior auditory experience compared to digital.

[Random Poster]

I inherited a bunch of records and wanted to play them.

To buy them as CDs would have cost more than the turntable and speakers cost.

[tigermilk]

Vinyl's analog format captures the full sound wave...

Citation?

This is an incredible claim that I believe is incorrect. Think about the mechanics of how that sound is being captured and stored.

If the original sound is recorded with analog devices it will capture the sound wave. If the source material is recorded digitally and transferred to a vinyl master via a digital to analog process (which would be the case) the sound on the vinyl would also be analog. If the DAC is capable of fully reconstructing the analog signal from those 0 and 1s, the spectral content would be the same. Now do CDs and records sound the same? No. Why? Some alluded to distortion. Vinyl has more distortion due to the medium. But that distortion can be pleasant to the ears. I have great sounding vinyl and CDs and lousy sounding vinyl and CDs. I haveso recordings on both, and the "sound waves" are faithfully recreated on both (well, for CD obviously on the output of the DAC stage), yet the 2 media sound different (e.g., the subjective term "warmer"). But honestly, the amp and speakers or headphones affect sound more than the same recording on vinyl or CD.

[windaar]

But honestly, the amp and speakers or headphones affect sound more than the same recording on vinyl or CD.

Yes, a tube amp vs. solid state changes everything, and speakers are a huge variable in sound quality. Yet I repeat my challenge: with a good sound system, toggle between CD and LP of the same album and LP will sound superior.

[mike@jb]

I have CDs and vinyl LPs. Vinyl does not necessarily have better quality sound, but often have excellent dynamic range.
There are high fidelity CDs that have incredible dynamic range. I’ve also heard poor sounding CDs. It’s not a problem with the digital technology, it’s too much limiting and poor recording quality.
I like vinyl LPs for the jacket art, lyric sheets and general nostalgia.
I like well recorded CDs for long listening sessions at home and in the car.

[Nekrotok]

Not a turntabler myself but I imagine this has something to do with digital music sounding worse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war

Myself I just gave up on high fidelity and settled on just good enough. I don't have the mental energy to deal with the amount of BS in the recording industry, sadly. On the bright side, just going for the easy wins is still pretty decent and saves a bunch of extra aggravation.

But if others want to go out of their way to experience music a different way, more power to them. Makes no difference to me.

[hunoraut]

I was in my local Barnes and Noble and they had hundreds of vinyl albums and several types of turntables for sale. I really don’t get it - what’s the allure of listening to all those snap, crackle and pops? Why not just buy rice crispies? When CDs came out, I stopped buying albums because the audio quality was so much better.

Ok turntablers, what’s your story?

I like thumbing through records at the store. I like having the vinyl cover art sitting on the shelf. I like pulling the big platter from the sleeve and placing it on the turntable. Guests like looking through the collection. There's a tangible, permanence to the record, and the idea of collecting rare or sought-after pressings -- different variants of ostensibly the same album.

I also have digital streaming accounts for convenience.

Absolute audio quality is just 1 dimension of enjoyment. You also enjoy the 'imperfect' stuff. I want a painting of a place. I dont want a bit-perfect photographic reproduction of it. I have a fast and comfortable new car, but a fun car would be a 60s era roadster with a stick shift that's measurably slower. I have electric heating in my house but I enjoy a wood fire at night.

[rob]

Citation?

This is an incredible claim that I believe is incorrect. Think about the mechanics of how that sound is being captured and stored.

If the original sound is recorded with analog devices it will capture the sound wave. If the source material is recorded digitally and transferred to a vinyl master via a digital to analog process (which would be the case) the sound on the vinyl would also be analog. If the DAC is capable of fully reconstructing the analog signal from those 0 and 1s, the spectral content would be the same. Now do CDs and records sound the same? No. Why? Some alluded to distortion. Vinyl has more distortion due to the medium. But that distortion can be pleasant to the ears. I have great sounding vinyl and CDs and lousy sounding vinyl and CDs. I haveso recordings on both, and the "sound waves" are faithfully recreated on both (well, for CD obviously on the output of the DAC stage), yet the 2 media sound different (e.g., the subjective term "warmer"). But honestly, the amp and speakers or headphones affect sound more than the same recording on vinyl or CD.

Yeah the actual story is more complex depending on the process - I doubt there are many analogue only process flows today. Reel to reel was a blast for sound quality but bring your $$ and tin foil hat.

I bought a tube amp (with horn speakers) over covid and love it for SOME music but it's certainly not a clear winner. Yeah, "warmth" is just distortion that sounds good and it's more about trendy for some and nostalgia for others

[HooCares]

Some people think it’s fun! Just like some people like tinkering with old computers or playing old video games. The best part about vinyl is the giant cover art that is much larger than you’d get on a CD jewel case.

For me, I don’t want to own more physical media so never had an interest. Had a hard enough time getting rid of my CDs and DVDs.

[Journeylover]

My Gen Z son has a turntable and lots of albums. We had given all ours away decades ago so for him it's something unique new but still nostalgic. He relaxes each evening with music. Lots of new record stores have opened. I'd like to buy him a big credenza or furniture piece for his setup that has a lot of room for many albums, but haven't found one yet on any website.

[hunoraut]

In the recording studio analog reels lasted until, lets say around the 80s. Since then it's been digital tape -- meaning the original-most recording of the artists' studio performance has already been quantized from the very start. In recent times it's been digital directly "to disk", and remain digital for the rest of the production/mixing chain.

Even for recording from the 50s an 60s, you can assume at some point its been transferred to digital, and all the subsequent production for retail consumption (as CD, tapes, vinyls, streaming sources) are derived from that digital source. You're not getting that ultra-pristine original-original master.

Anyway, all of this nuance really misses the point. If you're scrutinizing this level of technicality about the music chain, you're probably not focusing enough on the music itself.

[HooCares]

Some people think vinyl is just too new school and over processed, anyway. To get that real authentic sound you need some of these:

[Mr. Rumples]

Think of it as the difference between cooking in a microwave and an oven.

[ScubaHogg]

Having a CD is lame… owning the vinyl makes a statement.

I can’t wait for the next generation of teens who will invariably think of vinyl as a lame “old person” hobby and get super into CDs

[yankees60]

Turntables can produce a warm, rich sound that's unique to vinyl records and can't be replicated by digital music.

You used a lot of words to say distortion.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[watchnerd]

I was in my local Barnes and Noble and they had hundreds of vinyl albums and several types of turntables for sale. I really don’t get it - what’s the allure of listening to all those snap, crackle and pops? Why not just buy rice crispies? When CDs came out, I stopped buying albums because the audio quality was so much better.

Ok turntablers, what’s your story?

You don't get nearly as much crackle and pop if you use really premium pressings and high end cartridges.

I have about 500 LPS, my turntable, tone arm, and cartridge combined are worth about $10K.

Mostly it's about fun.

And also, it works when the internet is down.

[Tony-S]

Yet I repeat my challenge: with a good sound system, toggle between CD and LP of the same album and LP will sound superior.

Well you made me dig out my old, medium budget TEAC with its stock cartridge and stylus, and connected it to my Onkyo 7.1 receiver and plugged in my high-quality Sennheiser open back headphones. I put on Pink Floyd’s “The Wall” and listened several songs. Then I did the same with my CD rip (Apple Lossless) and it wasn’t even close. The digital file was superior. The pops and hissing on the album were really distracting, especially during quiet passages, and the songs lacked clarity. Granted , this album is more than 40 years old and likely was played a hundred times before relegation to the closet, so I’m sure that’s contributing to its poor performance.

Needless to say, the turntable is now back in the closet where it belongs.

[Tony-S]

Think of it as the difference between cooking in a microwave and an oven.

The vinyl is the microwave?

[watchnerd]

Turntables can produce a warm, rich sound that's unique to vinyl records and can't be replicated by digital music. Vinyl's analog format captures the full sound wave without the compression of digital formats

I love my turntable, but that's just wrong if you're using lossless uncompressed digital formats.

But one of the cool things about LPs is that it has a built-in reverb effect where the sound coming from the speakers gets picked up by the cartridge, which can make it sound more lively via euphonic distortion.

(You can test this by ripping an LP to digital with speakers on vs off and then playback over headphones. The difference is obvious.)

[watchnerd]

Yet I repeat my challenge: with a good sound system, toggle between CD and LP of the same album and LP will sound superior.

Well you made me dig out my old, medium budget TEAC with its stock cartridge and stylus, and connected it to my Onkyo 7.1 receiver and plugged in my high-quality Sennheiser open back headphones. I put on Pink Floyd’s “The Wall” and listened several songs. Then I did the same with my CD rip (Apple Lossless) and it wasn’t even close. The digital file was superior. The pops and hissing on the album were really distracting, especially during quiet passages, and the songs lacked clarity. Granted , this album is more than 40 years old and likely was played a hundred times before relegation to the closet, so I’m sure that’s contributing to its poor performance.

Needless to say, the turntable is now back in the closet where it belongs.

Don't listen to LPs on headphones (see above comment about acoustic feedback for why).

But, yes, digital is objectively superior to LP. No sane person argues that vinyl is objectively better than digital.

[Tony-S]

You don't get nearly as much crackle and pop if you use really premium pressings and high end cartridges.
I have about 500 LPS, my turntable, tone arm, and cartridge combined are worth about $10K.

Mostly it's about fun.

$10k? That’s not very Bogleheady of you.

[yankees60]

I have a long history of all of this.

Bought my first four records in 1966. Now have 7,000.

Only originally bought cassette tapes to record live performances of either the bands I was managing at the time or to record live performances of big-time bands (by smuggling in my cassette recorder / player). Have since acquired a lot of recorded cassette tapes but have never listened to any of them.

Did not acquire my first CDs until the mid-90s. Now have 5,000.

Now have over 1 TB of recorded music on hard drives attached to this computer.

In 1981 bought a Rega turntable with a Grace arm. People used to marvel at the latter aspect of it. I paid about $1,000 for it then which would be about $3,800 (!!!!) in today's $$$$. It was the completely inappropriate turntable for me since I listen to lock rock music which would cause it to howl plus walking anywhere near it would cause it to skip. The only solution for the latter was finally mounting it to a wall shelf.


I used to listen to 12, 14 records in a day when I was home. The entire sound system is in my living room while I was listening here in my bedroom (on Klipsch speakers with each having a horn). That was quite disruptive having to get out of this room about every 18-20 minutes to either turn the record over or pick out on another to play, taking off the prior and putting on the new one.

CDs were much better in that I'd not have to get up until about 40 minutes had passed.

I used to listen to CDs a lot in the CD players of computers while I was working. I'd mark off which songs I'd want to create as electronic versions so as to put them on my iPod. That ended up with over 10,000 handpicked songs on my iPod.

I have four huge Infinity speakers (each with 15" woofers) in my living room.

My listening habits now?

Rarely listen to music in the living room on those speakers. Few records listened to in the past few decades. CD listening is now almost none.

It's listening to that 1 TB of music I own or streaming via $150 Bose computer speakers or $150 Sony Professional Headphones. Both producing more than acceptable sounds for me. I rarely think of how much better the music would sound if I were listening via those four huge Infinity speakers (now also supplemented by a recently purchased pair of JBL speakers).

Also, when I was outside listening to that iPod via $15 Koss headphones I was always astounded by the quality of the sound. I know Neil Young would object but I don't think most of us in his age range can even hear all he wants in his purest way for us to hear.

I have a 2004 Honda Accord with the original sound system to it. I either listen to a CD or a radio station and I'm again amazed at how good the music sounds are on that music system.

I was just thinking this morning how I'll never give up my record / CD collection as being a collector and a music lover that are an integral part of my fabric.

I long ago stopped acquiring records. I have enough. 7,000 take up a lot of room. Will acquire a random CD here and there but certainly at a tiny fraction of the rate at which I used to acquire them.

All this puts me in the convenience camp of listening to music from electronic files with no record listening and not much CD listening.

[watchnerd]

Having a CD is lame… owning the vinyl makes a statement.

I can’t wait for the next generation of teens who will invariably think of vinyl as a lame “old person” hobby and get super into CDs

I know teens who are into cassettes.

[yankees60]

I was in my local Barnes and Noble and they had hundreds of vinyl albums and several types of turntables for sale. I really don’t get it - what’s the allure of listening to all those snap, crackle and pops? Why not just buy rice crispies? When CDs came out, I stopped buying albums because the audio quality was so much better.

Ok turntablers, what’s your story?

You don't get nearly as much crackle and pop if you use really premium pressings and high end cartridges.

I have about 500 LPS, my turntable, tone arm, and cartridge combined are worth about $10K.

Mostly it's about fun.

And also, it works when the internet is down.

I just relayed how my 1980 turntable, tone arm, cartridge would have cost about $3,800 in today's $$$$ but what is not even half what yours are worth! I know mine is a Rega Planar 2. Don't remember the exact Grace arm model or what was the original cartridge.

[yankees60]

Yet I repeat my challenge: with a good sound system, toggle between CD and LP of the same album and LP will sound superior.

Well you made me dig out my old, medium budget TEAC with its stock cartridge and stylus, and connected it to my Onkyo 7.1 receiver and plugged in my high-quality Sennheiser open back headphones. I put on Pink Floyd’s “The Wall” and listened several songs. Then I did the same with my CD rip (Apple Lossless) and it wasn’t even close. The digital file was superior. The pops and hissing on the album were really distracting, especially during quiet passages, and the songs lacked clarity. Granted , this album is more than 40 years old and likely was played a hundred times before relegation to the closet, so I’m sure that’s contributing to its poor performance.

Needless to say, the turntable is now back in the closet where it belongs.

I was once told when all we had were records were that after you played a record the walls of it were soft for an hour so you should wait an hour before you played it again otherwise you could damage the grooves while they were quite soft.

I observed that after I learned the "fact". Anyone know if that was true or not?

[watchnerd]

You don't get nearly as much crackle and pop if you use really premium pressings and high end cartridges.

I have about 500 LPS, my turntable, tone arm, and cartridge combined are worth about $10K.

Mostly it's about fun.

And also, it works when the internet is down.

I just relayed how my 1980 turntable, tone arm, cartridge would have cost about $3,800 in today's $$$$ but what is not even half what yours are worth! I know mine is a Rega Planar 2. Don't remember the exact Grace arm model or what was the original cartridge.

Rega is solid.

I use a Michell Gyro SE with an SME M2-9R arm and rotate cartridges a lot. Right now, it flops between a Nagaoka MP-500 when I'm in MM mood, and an Audio Technica AT-ART9XA when I'm in MC mood.

[watchnerd]

Well you made me dig out my old, medium budget TEAC with its stock cartridge and stylus, and connected it to my Onkyo 7.1 receiver and plugged in my high-quality Sennheiser open back headphones. I put on Pink Floyd’s “The Wall” and listened several songs. Then I did the same with my CD rip (Apple Lossless) and it wasn’t even close. The digital file was superior. The pops and hissing on the album were really distracting, especially during quiet passages, and the songs lacked clarity. Granted , this album is more than 40 years old and likely was played a hundred times before relegation to the closet, so I’m sure that’s contributing to its poor performance.

Needless to say, the turntable is now back in the closet where it belongs.

I was once told when all we had were records were that after you played a record the walls of it were soft for an hour so you should wait an hour before you played it again otherwise you could damage the grooves while they were quite soft.

I observed that after I learned the "fact". Anyone know if that was true or not?

I've read some studies on this.

Back in the day when 45s and LPs were mass market products made as cheaply as possible (the opposite of today) and often used low weight vinyl, combined with "groove chewer" high VTF ceramic mono styli with no vertical compliance of the early 45/LP era, yes, it could happen.

Once people started using stereo microtip diamond styli with vertically compliant suspensions as the default (say by the early 1970s), not very true.

[tuningfork]

Much of the allure of vinyl is the ritual of selecting the record from your collection, placing it on the turntable, cleaning the surface, lowering the tonearm, and sitting down with the sleeve to view the artwork, read the liner notes, the lyrics. You are in the groove, so to speak, focused on nothing else other than the artist and their music.

A CD with a single CD player has some of this, but the artwork is tiny, the liner notes usually abridged. So you still get to select the CD from your collection, but then you sorta let the music play and probably go do other things. Nothing wrong with that, it's just not the same experience.

If all you want is background music without any of the ritual or focus, streaming is generally the easiest. A multi-disc CD player on shuffle provides a similar experience.

[hunoraut]

Also, when I was outside listening to that iPod via $15 Koss headphones I was always astounded by the quality of the sound. I know Neil Young would object but I don't think most of us in his age range can even hear all he wants in his purest way for us to hear.

I have a 2004 Honda Accord with the original sound system to it. I either listen to a CD or a radio station and I'm again amazed at how good the music sounds are on that music system.

Wonders of human psychology, and in this case psychoacoustics. Everything we perceive is relative and we adapt to recency. If all youve heard for a while is a 2004 Accord, you can still perceive bass as bassy even if it doesnt reproduce bass fully and your memory/mind fills in the gaps.

And in the end your brain allows you to enjoy the music.

[watchnerd]

Much of the allure of vinyl is the ritual of selecting the record from your collection, placing it on the turntable, cleaning the surface, lowering the tonearm, and sitting down with the sleeve to view the artwork, read the liner notes, the lyrics. You are in the groove, so to speak, focused on nothing else other than the artist and their music.

A CD with a single CD player has some of this, but the artwork is tiny, the liner notes usually abridged. So you still get to select the CD from your collection, but then you sorta let the music play and probably go do other things. Nothing wrong with that, it's just not the same experience.

If all you want is background music without any of the ritual or focus, streaming is generally the easiest. A multi-disc CD player on shuffle provides a similar experience.

For me, CDs were the worst combination of attributes. I ripped all my CDs to lossless FLAC and keep them on a NAS and stream using Roon.

Why have physical digital media sucking up space if I don't need to?

And as you say, the liner notes are tiny and lame compared to LP.

[watchnerd]

I was in my local Barnes and Noble and they had hundreds of vinyl albums and several types of turntables for sale. I really don’t get it - what’s the allure of listening to all those snap, crackle and pops? Why not just buy rice crispies? When CDs came out, I stopped buying albums because the audio quality was so much better.

Ok turntablers, what’s your story?

If you really want to go off the deep end, reel-to-reel is where the real analog obsession is.

I have 3 full size Revox and Studer reel-to-reel decks.

Blank tape costs about $75, pre-recorded albums are about $450.

[quantAndHold]

I know teens who are into cassettes.

I’m still waiting for 78’s to come back into fashion.

Of course digital sounds better. Anyone who lived through the transition from vinyl to digital knows this. But there are full grown adults who never went to Tower Records, at least not when Tower actually sold records.

I do miss album covers and liner notes, though.

[watchnerd]

I know teens who are into cassettes.

I’m still waiting for 78’s to come back into fashion.

Of course digital sounds better. Anyone who lived through the transition from vinyl to digital knows this. But there are full grown adults who never went to Tower Records, at least not when Tower actually sold records.

I do miss album covers and liner notes, though.

I don't think there is any tooling or supply chain left to make 78s anymore.

The vinyl revival lucked out in that there was still some remnant LP production capacity to serve the chunk of the affluent audiophile crowd that never fully embraced CD.

[watchnerd]

Just in time for holiday shopping, Chet Baker reissue now available.

Only 395 GBP.

https://www.theelectricrecordingco.com/ ... pen-to-you

[yankees60]

I just relayed how my 1980 turntable, tone arm, cartridge would have cost about $3,800 in today's $$$$ but what is not even half what yours are worth! I know mine is a Rega Planar 2. Don't remember the exact Grace arm model or what was the original cartridge.

Rega is solid.

I use a Michell Gyro SE with an SME M2-9R arm and rotate cartridges a lot. Right now, it flops between a Nagaoka MP-500 when I'm in MM mood, and an Audio Technica AT-ART9XA when I'm in MC mood.

So you ARE still actively using your turntable? What is MM and MC?

I stopped using that Rega turntable. I now have a Thorens in place if I ever want to again play a record.

I think I now own about 8 turntables. I kept buying any cheap I found at tag sales as before this record / turntable renaissance I was fearing that turntables would become obsolete and no longer obtainable. Did not want to risk having my huge record collection with nothing to play them on.

[yankees60]

I was once told when all we had were records were that after you played a record the walls of it were soft for an hour so you should wait an hour before you played it again otherwise you could damage the grooves while they were quite soft.

I observed that after I learned the "fact". Anyone know if that was true or not?

I've read some studies on this.

Back in the day when 45s and LPs were mass market products made as cheaply as possible (the opposite of today) and often used low weight vinyl, combined with "groove chewer" high VTF ceramic mono styli with no vertical compliance of the early 45/LP era, yes, it could happen.

Once people started using stereo microtip diamond styli with vertically compliant suspensions as the default (say by the early 1970s), not very true.

My first stereo system was purchase for $100 around 1968. About $900 now.

My first year college roommate told me that he had about $30,000 worth of things in our room, which included his sound system, which was obviously of far better quality than mine. He did not want any of his records played on my turntable because he said mine had a weight of a gram? Or, something much heavier than his.

When the Crosby Stills Nash Young Deja Vu came out he thought it so valuable to preserve that he recorded it on a cassette and said that was the only way we could listen to it as he did not want to damage the record by playing it any more times.