downgrade my internet service from 1000Mbps to 300Mbps

[2ball]

I have Verizon and right now and I am using their router. I am in a 3 level townhouse and I get terrible coverage. The router is on the first floor and there things are great, I get 700MBS on the first floor, I get 200Mbps on the 2nd floor and I get 60Mbps on the 3rd floor. I am also using the 6GHZ band to get signal to my gamming computer and I get 100 Mbps on the 3rd floor with that.
I have 1000Mbps service right now, If I switch to 300 Mbps will everything go down by a 3rd?

Will I get 210Mbps on the 1st floor, 60Mbps on the 2nd floor and like 6mps on the 3rd floor and 30 Mbps with the 6GHZ band?
or will the 2nd and 3rd floor speed stay the same?

While I am working on solving my poor signal problem, Mesh routers or an ethernet run, right now I am trying to figure out what will happen if I downgrade my service from 100Mbps to 300Mbps.

[02nz]

You may want to fix your title: you're asking about downgrading from 1 Gbps (or 1000 Mbps) to 300 Mbps. Lower vs upper case B makes a big difference - of 8X.

Anyway, no, not everything will become slower by 2/3. In the places where you're currently getting <100 Mbps, you're not going to see a slowdown. In fact, even where you're getting 700 Mbps over wifi, it's not going to feel like your speed fell by half, because there are latency and other issues that play a role in your perceived internet speed.

Anyway, you would do well to look at a mesh solution for your house. I highly recommend the Eero Pro 6 (not 6, not 6E). Two to three of those will probably do wonders for the spots where internet is slower.

[KlangFool]

OP,

A) Have you try complaining to Verizon? I believe that if you do, they may be able to provide you with an WiFi extender for free with your 1Gbps service.

B) I am in a 3 level townhouse. My Fios router is in the first floor. My WiFi extender is on the 3rd floor. I do not have the WiFi coverage problem. In my case, the WiFi extender is part of the 1Gbps package. But, Verizon only provide this to you if you complain about WiFi coverage problem.

C) You should try this first before spending extra money.

D) How old is your Verizon router? In my brother-in-law case, the WiFi coverage problem was solved when he complained and Verizon gave him the latest router.

KlangFool

[2ball]

OP,

A) Have you try complaining to Verizon? I believe that if you do, they may be able to provide you with an WiFi extender for free with your 1Gbps service.

B) I am in a 3 level townhouse. My Fios router is in the first floor. My WiFi extender is on the 3rd floor. I do not have the WiFi coverage problem. In my case, the WiFi extender is part of the 1Gbps package. But, Verizon only provide this to you if you complain about WiFi coverage problem.

C) You should try this first before spending extra money.

D) How old is your Verizon router? In my brother-in-law case, the WiFi coverage problem was solved when he complained and Verizon gave him the latest router.

KlangFool

I just moved here and just got internet installed. The installer tried to set up an extender, through the old coax cable to put a WiFi extender on the other end of the coax, but he was unable to find any of the other ends of the coax, so he gave up. Pretty sure my router is the newest one from verizon, so new it have the 6GHZ band.

I am seeing how router placement effects signal strength and I just ordered ethernet cable so I can move the router around a little bit.

[2ball]

You may want to fix your title: you're asking about downgrading from 1 Gbps (or 1000 Mbps) to 300 Mbps. Lower vs upper case B makes a big difference - of 8X.

Anyway, no, not everything will become slower by 2/3. In the places where you're currently getting <100 Mbps, you're not going to see a slowdown. In fact, even where you're getting 700 Mbps over wifi, it's not going to feel like your speed fell by half, because there are latency and other issues that play a role in your perceived internet speed.

Anyway, you would do well to look at a mesh solution for your house. I highly recommend the Eero Pro 6 (not 6, not 6E). Two to three of those will probably do wonders for the spots where internet is slower.

thanks, I will look for a black Friday deal is less costly solutions don't help enough.

[michaeljc70]

I moved recently from a 4 level townhome. We used a mesh router and that solved any signal problems. If the nodes are connected via Ethernet it is better than wireless. 3 nodes did it for us. Part of the problem with townhomes/condos is there is a lot of congestion from close by routers/devices. Just about every router has a manual or automatic option to change channels.

We had 600 Mbps home internet with TMO but when we moved we got Verizon which is 100 Mbps. We don't notice a difference unless downloading very large files.

[jabbahop]

We don’t have cable/fiber access in our neighborhood so have this wireless over the air internet and our plan is 30mbps - would Love 300 but we get by ok. Hope you fix your issue.

[2ball]

Part of the problem with townhomes/condos is there is a lot of congestion from close by routers/devices. Just about every router has a manual or automatic option to change channels.

We had 600 Mbps home internet with TMO but when we moved we got Verizon which is 100 Mbps. We don't notice a difference unless downloading very large files.

The congestion is big. I’m trying to figure out if my router automatically finds the best channels or if there is a setting I should be using.

[nisiprius]

In our previous house we had signal problems between a WiFi router at the east end of the first floor and a computer at the west end of the second floor. I bought a $50 "WiFi extender" at Staples, and positioned it at the west end of the first floor, and the problem was solved and stayed solved. I was particularly pleased to find that the WiFi extender was able to remember everything through power outages and didn't need to be set up again.

Not sure what the current generation of stuff does because in the house we moved into, the WiFi router our internet provider gave us worked fine. In our previous house, I DID find that it was worthwhile to use a WiFi channel analyzer--like a $2 app for my smartphone--to see what channels were being used in the vicinity and configure my router to avoid them.

[michaeljc70]

Part of the problem with townhomes/condos is there is a lot of congestion from close by routers/devices. Just about every router has a manual or automatic option to change channels.

We had 600 Mbps home internet with TMO but when we moved we got Verizon which is 100 Mbps. We don't notice a difference unless downloading very large files.

The congestion is big. I’m trying to figure out if my router automatically finds the best channels or if there is a setting I should be using.

My router has an optimization feature. Many don't but there is separate software (I've used on Windows and Android) that analyzes interference and recommends channels. Network Analyzer for Android is an example of such software. I can't recall the exact one I used.

[KlangFool]

In our previous house we had signal problems between a WiFi router at the east end of the first floor and a computer at the west end of the second floor. I bought a $50 "WiFi extender" at Staples, and positioned it at the west end of the first floor, and the problem was solved and stayed solved. I was particularly pleased to find that the WiFi extender was able to remember everything through power outages and didn't need to be set up again.

Not sure what the current generation of stuff does because in the house we moved into, the WiFi router our internet provider gave us worked fine. In our previous house, I DID find that it was worthwhile to use a WiFi channel analyzer--like a $2 app for my smartphone--to see what channels were being used in the vicinity and configure my router to avoid them.

Nisi,

FYI. I believe this is an built-in functionality of the Verizon router.

KlangFool

[LotsaGray]

1. Don’t use 6GHz. It isn’t faster than 5GHz but it has less range, esp. through walls. In fact, I might try 2.4GHz even though it’s Theo max is only 600 Mbps. Higher frequency has shorter range, esp through walls

2. You almost def need either an extender or a mesh network. If you can’t find coax or high speed Ethernet cable then look into mesh networks. Even if you can find Ethernet cabling, I prefer mesh over extenders. Dep3nding on factors, you likely need at least 3 nodes maybe even 5 or 6.

3. Dropping from 1Gbs to 300 Mbps won’t cause a 70% drop but you will likely still have poor performance at least on third floor

4. Definitely confirm there is congestion analysis happening.

5. Wireless feed can be very spotty but that doesn’t sound like your issue.

[PersonalFinanceJam]

I would echo what others have said. At a minimum I would recommend a good mesh system. The previously mentioned eero Pros are good. I have the 6E version and they've been good for me.

My additional comment would be if you are trying to maximize performance you need to run some ethernet (cat6 at least) especially to anything which you are using for online gaming. You will have a more consistent and lower latency connection than anything over wifi. The latency will especially be key for the gaming system.

The nice thing is you can go with something like the eero devices which will build a wireless mesh system and use wireless to communicate back to the main unit. This should improve your connection already. Once you get ethernet ran you can plug the eero devices into ethernet so they communicate to each other over the wired connection and probably get even better performance for anything still using wireless.

I have a split level single family home with the utilities all coming into the lowest level unfinished basement. So, I understand the struggle is real.

[rockstar]

Part of the problem with townhomes/condos is there is a lot of congestion from close by routers/devices. Just about every router has a manual or automatic option to change channels.

We had 600 Mbps home internet with TMO but when we moved we got Verizon which is 100 Mbps. We don't notice a difference unless downloading very large files.

The congestion is big. I’m trying to figure out if my router automatically finds the best channels or if there is a setting I should be using.

Check out small network builder’s website.

I did make some setting changes to optimize. And I did have to manually make changes to certain devices too. For example, I have my PS5 set to prefer 5 over 2.4. My 2.4 is only set to 20 channel width. And I’ve turned some stuff off too.

My dedicated router is using fq_codel for queuing.

The best part about this stuff is that you usually set it up once and then no longer need to worry about it. So I’ll spend a couple of hours configuring stuff and checking out logs. And then I’ll make a second pass of tweaks and leave it alone besides updates. Then when enough of my machines move forward to a newer WIFI standard, I upgrade my network. This is about every 5-7 years.

[Yarlonkol12]

Sounds like the issues you have are with your home network not your internet service provider, I would focus on that first

[2ball]

Thanks for the replies.

just thinking out loud. My gamming set up is on the 3rd floor. Right now I am using 6GHZ, because the other bands would keep dropping the signal and resetting the wireless adapter. 6ghz is the only band that will work. I am getting good signal, a little over 100mbps, and my ping usually looks good. I am happy with that connection. The wifi adapter is the only piece of equipment I have that has the ability to use 6GHZ. There are no tv's on the 3rd floor and the only other things that connect on the 3rd floor are cell phones.
The 2nd floor has a TV through a ROKU and that is the biggest problem right now. I have moved the router and ROKU a few feet to try and get a better signal but I am usually all over the place between 30 mbps and 200mbps. There is also a wifi laptop on the 2nd floor. The 1st floor is not an issue, 1 TV hooked thru a ROKU.

If gamming becomes more important I will just move my computer to the 1st floor and ethernet into the router.
cell phones work ok on all levels, signal is low 20-30 mbps but that seems to be enough.

I am not sure I need a mesh set up that does 6GHZ, but it would future proof me should 6ghz catch on.
I could probably get away with 2 mesh units, 1 at the verizon router and on the 2nd floor near the roku tv.

I will try to get an ethernet cable up to the 2nd floor from the router, but that will take some doing.

I will have a couple year old gamming router tp-link archer gx90 ax6600 gamming router to try pretty soon.

any other advise? my thinking is correct?

and

Is there a way to tell if my signal is coming in at wildly varying speeds from Verizon? as opposed to an inference issue?

[rockstar]

Upgrade your Roku. The latest version supports WIFI 6. Yours is probably only WIFI 5 like mine. It’s not 6E. But it might work better. If not, return it. I doubt it will make a huge difference. But it’s worth a try.

https://www.roku.com/products/roku-ultra

The best advice so far is run cat 6 throughout your home with dedicated APs.

[2ball]

So I just found out, that I have not been using the 6GHZ band for my 3rd floor gamming computer, I have been using the 2.4 Io T band. I am not sure why that band is not effected by interference as much as the regular 2.4 and 5 bands.

[2ball]

Upgrade your Roku. The latest version supports WIFI 6. Yours is probably only WIFI 5 like mine. It’s not 6E. But it might work better. If not, return it. I doubt it will make a huge difference. But it’s worth a try.

https://www.roku.com/products/roku-ultra

The best advice so far is run cat 6 throughout your home with dedicated APs.

I do have a ROKU ultra, not sure if its Wifi 6 but will will swap the ROKU's to see if that makes a difference, it feels like the ultra may have a better antenna.

running ethernet would take a lot of doing.

[rockstar]

Upgrade your Roku. The latest version supports WIFI 6. Yours is probably only WIFI 5 like mine. It’s not 6E. But it might work better. If not, return it. I doubt it will make a huge difference. But it’s worth a try.

https://www.roku.com/products/roku-ultra

The best advice so far is run cat 6 throughout your home with dedicated APs.

I do have a ROKU ultra, not sure if its Wifi 6 but will will swap the ROKU's to see if that makes a difference, it feels like the ultra may have a better antenna.

running ethernet would take a lot of doing.

For some stupid reason ROKU keeps the same product name and then randomly updates the hardware over time. I don’t get it. But this Ultra version came out a couple of months ago.

[2ball]

and

even though I am broadcasting 3 bands, it shows up as one band and the router picks the best one for for the connection. There does not seem to be a way for me to dictate what gets used.

[bloom2708]

Signal goes out and down. Gravity.

Try putting the router on the top or middle floor.

Extenders on the middle and/or lower floor.

[TomatoTomahto]

running ethernet would take a lot of doing.

If you have coax in your house, and most houses have it for old fashioned TV, you can use MoCa (Multimedia over Coax). I believe many routers (Fios, for example) have it as standard. If not, get both ends fitted with a MoCa adapter. Works almost as well as Ethernet cables and is already pulled.

We use MoCa to get from our house to our detached garage. We connect eero nodes to the MoCa adapters using short Ethernet cables.

[2ball]

running ethernet would take a lot of doing.

If you have coax in your house, and most houses have it for old fashioned TV, you can use MoCa (Multimedia over Coax). I believe many routers (Fios, for example) have it as standard. If not, get both ends fitted with a MoCa adapter. Works almost as well as Ethernet cables and is already pulled.

We use MoCa to get from our house to our detached garage. We connect eero nodes to the MoCa adapters using short Ethernet cables.

I am not sure exactly how hard the tech looked, but he said that he could not determine where the 2 coax ends that were in the telephone/internet closet ran to. He couldn't find the other end and guessed that they were cut somewhere along their run.

[LotsaGray]

Signal goes out and down. Gravity.

Try putting the router on the top or middle floor.

Extenders on the middle and/or lower floor.

I hope this was a facetious post.

[bloom2708]

Signal goes out and down. Gravity.

Try putting the router on the top or middle floor.

Extenders on the middle and/or lower floor.

I hope this was a facetious post.

Not at all. Do you think your signal just goes up into outer space?

[LotsaGray]

If you have coax in your house, and most houses have it for old fashioned TV, you can use MoCa (Multimedia over Coax). I believe many routers (Fios, for example) have it as standard. If not, get both ends fitted with a MoCa adapter. Works almost as well as Ethernet cables and is already pulled.

We use MoCa to get from our house to our detached garage. We connect eero nodes to the MoCa adapters using short Ethernet cables.

I am not sure exactly how hard the tech looked, but he said that he could not determine where the 2 coax ends that were in the telephone/internet closet ran to. He couldn't find the other end and guessed that they were cut somewhere along their run.

This tech does not impress me. Finding the ends of coax is easy and the odds of two separate runs being cut, esp. post installation, is tiny.

[LotsaGray]

I hope this was a facetious post.

Not at all. Do you think your signal just goes up into outer space?

Well I don’t think that SETI depends on earth’s tiny gravitational field.

BTW, space is neither up or down otherwise Australians would need to stand on their heads to drink a beer (wo a straw).

[seawolf21]

What is your use case? If streaming, 40-50 is more than enough as 4K is around 25-30mpbs.

If you don’t mind being tied to Ethernet, try powerline adapters and leverage your existing electrical circuit to see if that gives you enough performance.

[talzara]

I am not sure exactly how hard the tech looked, but he said that he could not determine where the 2 coax ends that were in the telephone/internet closet ran to. He couldn't find the other end and guessed that they were cut somewhere along their run.

This tech does not impress me. Finding the ends of coax is easy and the odds of two separate runs being cut, esp. post installation, is tiny.

The Verizon technician has to work on multiple houses per day, so he can't spend more than a few minutes on the coax. If you live in the house, then you can take your time. You're a lot more motivated than the technician because you want higher speeds.

You can buy a coax continuity tester for as little as $20. There are more expensive testers that come with toners, so you can trace the cable from the other side of the wall.

You should've asked the installer to leave you three adapters and let you figure out where the coax goes. Verizon charges $100 for MoCA 2.5 Ethernet adapters, but you could try asking customer service to give them to you for free: https://www.verizon.com/home/accessorie ... t-adapter/

[finite_difference]

I’ve noticed some of the Roku wifi antennas are not great.

One idea would be to try Powerline Ethernet. You get two units that each plug into a power receptacle. One goes by your router. You plug an Ethernet cable from your router into it.

Your other unit goes by the Roku. Plug in the Ethernet cable into your Roku.

The two units sync with each other over your electrical line and encrypt the signal.

You should be able to get a quality pair of units for $45-75 on Black Friday.

https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/revi ... rking-kit/

[Vulcan]

I have 1000Mbps service right now, If I switch to 300 Mbps will everything go down by a 3rd?

No. You will not notice any difference whatsoever.

Nobody needs a Gig.

[KlangFool]

I am not sure exactly how hard the tech looked, but he said that he could not determine where the 2 coax ends that were in the telephone/internet closet ran to. He couldn't find the other end and guessed that they were cut somewhere along their run.

This tech does not impress me. Finding the ends of coax is easy and the odds of two separate runs being cut, esp. post installation, is tiny.

The Verizon technician has to work on multiple houses per day, so he can't spend more than a few minutes on the coax. If you live in the house, then you can take your time. You're a lot more motivated than the technician because you want higher speeds.

You can buy a coax continuity tester for as little as $20. There are more expensive testers that come with toners, so you can trace the cable from the other side of the wall.

You should've asked the installer to leave you three adapters and let you figure out where the coax goes. Verizon charges $100 for MoCA 2.5 Ethernet adapters, but you could try asking customer service to give them to you for free: https://www.verizon.com/home/accessorie ... t-adapter/

talzara,

Verizon Router and the WiFi extender has the built-in MoCA adapter. So, OP does not need to buy anything. OP just need to plug in the Coax at the router and move the extender around and try the coax end on the other side.

https://www.verizon.com/home/accessories/fios-extender/

https://www.verizon.com/support/residen ... ios-router

I have Ethernet cable wired to every room. So, I connect my extender via Ethernet cable instead.

KlangFool

[2ball]

I flip flopped my two Roku devices, and moved the Roku on top of the wood tv cabinet. These tweaks may be enough to get an acceptable signal. I got a 20 foot Ethernet cable coming to see how moving the router around the 1st floor will affect the signal.

I may be able to fix this without spending much money.

I’ll drop down to 300mbps and if I’m good call it fixed.

[snic]

I have 1000Mbps service right now, If I switch to 300 Mbps will everything go down by a 3rd?

No. You will not notice any difference whatsoever.

Nobody needs a Gig.

Exactly right. The OP is almost certainly wasting money on the 1 GB tier.

The way to think about the different speeds is in terms of bottlenecks. Let's say you buy the 1GB tier, and you find that a computer connected via an ethernet cable to a 1 GB router connected to the internet yields speeds of close to 1 GB/s. If the same computer connected via wifi has a speed of 60 MB/s, it's because the wifi is the bottleneck. You could connect 17 computers (1000 / 60) to the 60 MB network and run the speed test on all of them at the same time and you would get the full 60 MB/s on each of them. If you then dropped the internet speed to 300 MB/s and did the same test, yes, the speed on all of those 17 simultaneous tests would drop to about 20 MB/s. But you could run 5 speed tests simultaneously and still get 60 MB/s on each.

The right way to solve the OP's variation in wifi speeds on different floors is a mesh router. Ideally connect the nodes via LAN cables, but that's not necessary - wireless backhaul will probably work fine and will greatly increase the wifi speed on the top floor.

[Sandtrap]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B082L ... =UTF8&th=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CGJ ... =UTF8&th=1
amazon.com
works for 3 levels and much more in our home.

j

[rockstar]

No. You will not notice any difference whatsoever.

Nobody needs a Gig.

Exactly right. The OP is almost certainly wasting money on the 1 GB tier.

The way to think about the different speeds is in terms of bottlenecks. Let's say you buy the 1GB tier, and you find that a computer connected via an ethernet cable to a 1 GB router connected to the internet yields speeds of close to 1 GB/s. If the same computer connected via wifi has a speed of 60 MB/s, it's because the wifi is the bottleneck. You could connect 17 computers (1000 / 60) to the 60 MB network and run the speed test on all of them at the same time and you would get the full 60 MB/s on each of them. If you then dropped the internet speed to 300 MB/s and did the same test, yes, the speed on all of those 17 simultaneous tests would drop to about 20 MB/s. But you could run 5 speed tests simultaneously and still get 60 MB/s on each.

The right way to solve the OP's variation in wifi speeds on different floors is a mesh router. Ideally connect the nodes via LAN cables, but that's not necessary - wireless backhaul will probably work fine and will greatly increase the wifi speed on the top floor.

The only reason to pay for gig is if you don’t have symmetrical speeds and want a faster upload. I only get 10% of my download speed for upload. I’m 250/25 now. It used to be 250/10. If I want 100 up, I have to pay for gig. This makes sense if you have large cloud backups.

[snic]

The only reason to pay for gig is if you don’t have asymmetrical speeds and want a faster upload. I only get 10% of my download speed for upload. I’m 250/25 now. It used to be 250/10. If I want 100 up, I have to pay for gig. This makes sense if you have large cloud backups.

Good point. Although if you run your backups at night, most likely you won't have a problem even with slow upload speeds. It really depends on what you're doing - I guess if you're a photographer or videographer and you're constantly backing up multi-GB files, you'd need the higher upload speed.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B082L ... =UTF8&th=1
amazon.com
works for 3 levels and much more in our home.

j

Good choice. You don't need an internet-connected app to manage it. Some mesh systems require that, which I view as a security risk.

[Sandtrap]

The only reason to pay for gig is if you don’t have asymmetrical speeds and want a faster upload. I only get 10% of my download speed for upload. I’m 250/25 now. It used to be 250/10. If I want 100 up, I have to pay for gig. This makes sense if you have large cloud backups.

Good point. Although if you run your backups at night, most likely you won't have a problem even with slow upload speeds. It really depends on what you're doing - I guess if you're a photographer or videographer and you're constantly backing up multi-GB files, you'd need the higher upload speed.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B082L ... =UTF8&th=1
amazon.com
works for 3 levels and much more in our home.

j

Good choice. You don't need an internet-connected app to manage it. Some mesh systems require that, which I view as a security risk.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CGJ ... =UTF8&th=1
amazon.com

DW is a professional photographer. Raw photo's, etc, make for huge files. We have the fastest upload/download service available in our area, service to the house and street is fiber optic. Upload speed is a priority.
Even at that, service slows down at various times to a snails pace, comparitively.

Although the 3 level wifi system is used by computers on every floor, etc, DW's office computer is hard wired to retain the fastest speeds available.

We have several buildings on 20 acres, the home is over 5000 s.f on 3 levels. The wifi is outstanding.
j

[RXfiles]

Buy a mesh router system. I have eero pro with 4 nodes. 6000 square foot house with a big shop about 75 feet from house. Works great. I get wifi on like half of my 3 arce lot with my set up.

The real question is do you need that speed. Most likely no. If stop doing speed tests you'll probably never know whether you have 1gb or 25mgb

[TomatoTomahto]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B082L ... =UTF8&th=1
amazon.com
works for 3 levels and much more in our home.

j

Good choice. You don't need an internet-connected app to manage it. Some mesh systems require that, which I view as a security risk.

Be careful. It has a limit of 100 devices. We have a fair amount of IoT devices, but nothing crazy, and we are up to 91 devices connected. They seem to multiply like rabbits.

[RXfiles]

Good choice. You don't need an internet-connected app to manage it. Some mesh systems require that, which I view as a security risk.

Be careful. It has a limit of 100 devices. We have a fair amount of IoT devices, but nothing crazy, and we are up to 91 devices connected. They seem to multiply like rabbits.

How on earth do you have 91 devices? I have 4 tvs. 4 cell phone. 2 pcs. Smart locks and some speakers that connect to wifi. I think I have like 22 and i thought that was excessive. I can't imagine 91. Is every light bulb and switch on device?

[LilyFleur]

I think a lot depends on the tech who comes out. We were having buffering problems on every device in a 1000-square-foot ground-floor condo in a 3-story building. We had 75/75. Frontier shipped me an ugly big black router which I was not able to get running.

Frontier (previously Verizon, and now re-bought by Verizon and transitioning back) then sent out a tech for a free upgrade to 300 mbps. He was great! Took extra time to install a really nice small white router into a more centralized location that was wired already (the new one Frontier had sent me was ugly, big, and black), also got rid of an old big box (sorry, that's as technical as I can be) in my patio closet, putting the new, much smaller box into the centralized location near the router. A good move as evidently rodents had been nice and warm in the box when it was in the patio closet and had left some gifts behind. The new router sits atop a bookcase vs. the old one which was closer to the ground.

The new router is run via the eero app, and, so far, it is a much improved system.

The previous time, the tech was in and out very quickly.

[Dottie57]

Just an anecdote:

Back 5 years or so ago, i couldn’t get wifi on my desck. A mesh network was the solution. The wifi needed to go through 3 walls and 3 condos of plumbing. I am betting it was the plumbing that caused a problem.

[2ball]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B082L ... =UTF8&th=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CGJ ... =UTF8&th=1
amazon.com
works for 3 levels and much more in our home.

j

haha, the $1800 the 2nd one cost is almost 5 time the cost of a years work of internet at 300mbps!

[EnjoyIt]

Thanks for the replies.

just thinking out loud. My gamming set up is on the 3rd floor. Right now I am using 6GHZ, because the other bands would keep dropping the signal and resetting the wireless adapter. 6ghz is the only band that will work. I am getting good signal, a little over 100mbps, and my ping usually looks good. I am happy with that connection. The wifi adapter is the only piece of equipment I have that has the ability to use 6GHZ. There are no tv's on the 3rd floor and the only other things that connect on the 3rd floor are cell phones.
The 2nd floor has a TV through a ROKU and that is the biggest problem right now. I have moved the router and ROKU a few feet to try and get a better signal but I am usually all over the place between 30 mbps and 200mbps. There is also a wifi laptop on the 2nd floor. The 1st floor is not an issue, 1 TV hooked thru a ROKU.

If gamming becomes more important I will just move my computer to the 1st floor and ethernet into the router.
cell phones work ok on all levels, signal is low 20-30 mbps but that seems to be enough.

I am not sure I need a mesh set up that does 6GHZ, but it would future proof me should 6ghz catch on.
I could probably get away with 2 mesh units, 1 at the verizon router and on the 2nd floor near the roku tv.

I will try to get an ethernet cable up to the 2nd floor from the router, but that will take some doing.

I will have a couple year old gamming router tp-link archer gx90 ax6600 gamming router to try pretty soon.

any other advise? my thinking is correct?

and

Is there a way to tell if my signal is coming in at wildly varying speeds from Verizon? as opposed to an inference issue?

You can always try something like this power line adapter
https://a.co/d/467X5Z2
It basically runs the internet via your AC powerlines in the house. You can run one from the router to anywhere in the house you need a hard line connection such as your failing PC. It works wonders.

[snic]

Good choice. You don't need an internet-connected app to manage it. Some mesh systems require that, which I view as a security risk.

Be careful. It has a limit of 100 devices. We have a fair amount of IoT devices, but nothing crazy, and we are up to 91 devices connected. They seem to multiply like rabbits.

I doubt an $800 router has a limit of only 100 devices. According to this Netgear discussion forum, the limit is 256, although I haven't verified that.

[talzara]

Verizon Router and the WiFi extender has the built-in MoCA adapter. So, OP does not need to buy anything. OP just need to plug in the Coax at the router and move the extender around and try the coax end on the other side.

We don't know if the OP has an extender. The OP said that the tech "tried to set up an extender." Does that mean they left it behind, or does that mean they took it away?

It doesn't matter if it's a MoCA-to-Ethernet adapter or a device with built-in MoCA. It just has to have MoCA.

[talzara]

If you don’t mind being tied to Ethernet, try powerline adapters and leverage your existing electrical circuit to see if that gives you enough performance.

One idea would be to try Powerline Ethernet. You get two units that each plug into a power receptacle. One goes by your router. You plug an Ethernet cable from your router into it.

You can always try something like this power line adapter

MoCA is much more reliable than powerline. The OP should try to connect over coax before considering powerline.

[KlangFool]

Verizon Router and the WiFi extender has the built-in MoCA adapter. So, OP does not need to buy anything. OP just need to plug in the Coax at the router and move the extender around and try the coax end on the other side.

We don't know if the OP has an extender. The OP said that the tech "tried to set up an extender." Does that mean they left it behind, or does that mean they took it away?

It doesn't matter if it's a MoCA-to-Ethernet adapter or a device with built-in MoCA. It just has to have MoCA.

I believe the WiFi extender is a standard option with the 1Gbps plan if OP asked for it. It comes free with my 1 Gbps plan.

KlangFool