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I’ve been exploring AI apps lately.

I first tried Replika. It was interesting bouncing and exchanging ideas back and forth with an AI companion, a kind of digital being. It was tiresome though with the regurgitated knowledge mixed with weird games, like the time it shut down when I answered back I wasn’t interested in acquiring super powers. Not at all like talking to a real person, or even a house pet.

Finding knowledge is good though. I learned something I’ve always wondered about, why an apple with a worm living in its core is so much sweeter than the other apples around it—enzymes.

Tiring of Replika after a couple days, I’m now on the free version of ChatGPT. It works well. Just a machine without pretense. It’s answered several daily questions, like for example, “Pollution by Tom Lehrer is a satirical song that addresses environmental issues and the impact of pollution. Lehrer humorously explores the consequences of human actions on the environment, touching on topics such as smog, deforestation, and contamination of natural resources. The song uses clever wordplay and witty commentary to highlight the absurdity of certain human behaviors contributing to environmental degradation. Lehrer's unique blend of humor and social commentary is a characteristic feature of his work.”

I think AI is also very good for language learning and there are AI apps dedicated to several other tasks, photo editing, writing, etc.
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tetractys wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:14 pm I’ve been exploring AI apps lately.

I first tried Replika. It was interesting bouncing and exchanging ideas back and forth with an AI companion, a kind of digital being. It was tiresome though with the regurgitated knowledge mixed with weird games, like the time it shut down when I answered back I wasn’t interested in acquiring super powers. Not at all like talking to a real person, or even a house pet.

Finding knowledge is good though. I learned something I’ve always wondered about, why an apple with a worm living in its core is so much sweeter than the other apples around it—enzymes.

Tiring of Replika after a couple days, I’m now on the free version of ChatGPT. It works well. Just a machine without pretense. It’s answered several daily questions, like for example, “Pollution by Tom Lehrer is a satirical song that addresses environmental issues and the impact of pollution. Lehrer humorously explores the consequences of human actions on the environment, touching on topics such as smog, deforestation, and contamination of natural resources. The song uses clever wordplay and witty commentary to highlight the absurdity of certain human behaviors contributing to environmental degradation. Lehrer's unique blend of humor and social commentary is a characteristic feature of his work.”

I think AI is also very good for language learning and there are AI apps dedicated to several other tasks, photo editing, writing, etc.
As I understand it:

- AI, or Large Language Models (LLMs) to be technically more specific, "hallucinate" - they invent stuff. That limits their usability because you still have to check them

- a lot of what we are getting from LLMs, as above, reads like a wikipedia entry. In that one of the teaching sources is wikipedia

I still haven't seen a compelling use for LLMs, so far the results seem toy-like. I am however not involved professionally with the science, and I haven't necessarily seen what it can do in a "live ammunition" exercise.
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I'm finding google Bard helpful. Also used Bing, but just didn't work good enough for me.

What I've been doing more and more each day, is taking an OP question and asking Bard about that. I think of Bard sitting atop the google search, reducing the 1,000,000 hits into a good starting position for knowledge. Then you go deeper with a tuned question, or followup for additional questions.

Asking for imagery is also engaging. Some things are not allowed with the Chat GPT 4.0 implementations of the large tech companies.

For social media (and I mean serious communities) many questions could be first handed off to an AI concierge, who would point to specific page(s) that has the specific answer for a question.
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I have avoided them for now. But I also rarely use unconstrained search which also tends to produce a lot of chaff.

Hopefully there will be disclosures of when output of various "systems" are AI generated.
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Letter writing, email writing, homework help for our daughter, help me learn new topics, recipes with limited ingredients, etc.
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I am a professional writer. When I am working on a topic I sometimes ask ChatGPT to write a short essay on it along with the intended audience. The result is a very handy reference for all the clichés (and, for that matter, outright misunderstandings of the material) that I must avoid in my actual writing. If my writing is anything like what ChatGPT wrote, I revise.

Current LLMs are the most efficient cliché generators (at every level — diction, interpretation, structure) ever devised. They are truly extraordinary in this regard. They also are exceptionally good at bullshit, as carefully defined by the philosopher Harry Frankfurt: "speech intended to persuade without regard to truth" (per the Wikipedia entry on his book). Since cliché and bullshit, along with sentimentality, are the very things I must avoid to do my work well, LLMs are in a certain sense quite useful. :)
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I use it for grammar when writing.
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ChatGPT pro account through work. We also host an open source LLM model (llamav2) which will eventually be integrated into an event detection platform of ours for academic research.

ChatGPT alone has saved about 30-50K in my time over the last three months.

LLMs like ChatGPU are significant force multipliers.
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Ironically, I am not smart enough to use artificial intelligence.
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For important email, I use it to check whether there are writing issues.
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student wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:05 am For important email, I use it to check whether there are writing issues.
How is that working out?

I tried an AI language app. It evaluated various aspects of my speaking skills, including grammar and speaking order. Even a skilled speaker could find areas to improve. They are expensive; but I think worth it for a serious student.
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tetractys wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:55 am
student wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:05 am For important email, I use it to check whether there are writing issues.
How is that working out?

I tried an AI language app. It evaluated various aspects of my speaking skills, including grammar and speaking order. Even a skilled speaker could find areas to improve. They are expensive; but I think worth it for a serious student.
Good enough for my purpose, as I am bad at placing commas in appropriate places, and ChatGPT helps in this area.
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We use it at work. For some professions it is estimated to already boost productivity 40%.
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student wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:22 am
tetractys wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:55 am
student wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:05 am For important email, I use it to check whether there are writing issues.
How is that working out?

I tried an AI language app. It evaluated various aspects of my speaking skills, including grammar and speaking order. Even a skilled speaker could find areas to improve. They are expensive; but I think worth it for a serious student.
Good enough for my purpose, as I am bad at placing commas in appropriate places, and ChatGPT helps in this area.
How do you do that, submit your text and ask for comma correction? Sorry but I’m really curious.
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student wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:05 am For important email, I use it to check whether there are writing issues.
Just make sure these are important but NOT private emails. Anything you give them - they collect and can use.
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snackdog wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:31 am We use it at work. For some professions it is estimated to already boost productivity 40%.
I can believe that. Last night I woke up with a test question for ChatGPT and it gave a pretty good answer:

Q: What’s a good chordal progression to move from C major to E Major?

A: A common chordal progression to move from C major to E major could involve using chords that smoothly connect the two keys. You might try something like C major (I) → A minor (vi) → E major (V), or C major (I) → G major (V) → E major (I). These progressions incorporate chords that exist in both C major and E major keys, helping create a smooth transition between them.

This is a good answer and close to 0 thinking required! Not only the simple answer is given; but also the applicable and extended useful method.
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SmileyFace wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:39 am
student wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:05 am For important email, I use it to check whether there are writing issues.
Just make sure these are important but NOT private emails. Anything you give them - they collect and can use.
it may already be "searched"; after years of warnings from in-house counsel, I have learned to never put anything in an email that I wouldn't want someone else to see.

Unless you are using encryption, I would not assume "private" emails are private.
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tetractys wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:34 am
student wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:22 am
tetractys wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:55 am
student wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:05 am For important email, I use it to check whether there are writing issues.
How is that working out?

I tried an AI language app. It evaluated various aspects of my speaking skills, including grammar and speaking order. Even a skilled speaker could find areas to improve. They are expensive; but I think worth it for a serious student.
Good enough for my purpose, as I am bad at placing commas in appropriate places, and ChatGPT helps in this area.
How do you do that, submit your text and ask for comma correction? Sorry but I’m really curious.
I usually ask it to correct grammar in a typed message. Then it will give me a revised version.
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student wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:22 am
tetractys wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:55 am
student wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:05 am For important email, I use it to check whether there are writing issues.
How is that working out?

I tried an AI language app. It evaluated various aspects of my speaking skills, including grammar and speaking order. Even a skilled speaker could find areas to improve. They are expensive; but I think worth it for a serious student.
Good enough for my purpose, as I am bad at placing commas in appropriate places, and ChatGPT helps in this area.
Here is a fun book on the subject.

https://www.amazon.com/Eats-Shoots-Leav ... ook&sr=8-1
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SmileyFace wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:39 am
student wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:05 am For important email, I use it to check whether there are writing issues.
Just make sure these are important but NOT private emails. Anything you give them - they collect and can use.
Thanks for the reminder.
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jebmke wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:47 am
student wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:22 am
tetractys wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:55 am
student wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:05 am For important email, I use it to check whether there are writing issues.
How is that working out?

I tried an AI language app. It evaluated various aspects of my speaking skills, including grammar and speaking order. Even a skilled speaker could find areas to improve. They are expensive; but I think worth it for a serious student.
Good enough for my purpose, as I am bad at placing commas in appropriate places, and ChatGPT helps in this area.
Here is a fun book on the subject.

https://www.amazon.com/Eats-Shoots-Leav ... ook&sr=8-1
Looks interesting. Thanks.
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SmileyFace wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:39 am
student wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:05 am For important email, I use it to check whether there are writing issues.
Just make sure these are important but NOT private emails. Anything you give them - they collect and can use.
Is that true for all AI apps? I know Replika and of course Google collects data; but I believe there are other AI apps do not.
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I use it to write code. Saves me a lot of time.
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It's impressive but rarely tells you anything you didn't already know. As mentioned before, it just reads like a wikipedia article.

One useful thing is my son has a pine nut allergy. I asked it what foods contain that and it came with some unexpected answers like Baklava. Not sure if that is a "hallucination" or true? I don't recall ever eating baklava that has pine nuts?
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knightrider wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:02 am It's impressive but rarely tells you anything you didn't already know. As mentioned before, it just reads like a wikipedia article.

One useful thing is my son has a pine nut allergy. I asked it what foods contain that and it came with some unexpected answers like Baklava. Not sure if that is a "hallucination" or true? I don't recall ever eating baklava that has pine nuts?
It seems that it is not uncommon. https://shariblogs.com/experimenting-wi ... delicious/
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knightrider wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:02 am It's impressive but rarely tells you anything you didn't already know. As mentioned before, it just reads like a wikipedia article.

One useful thing is my son has a pine nut allergy. I asked it what foods contain that and it came with some unexpected answers like Baklava. Not sure if that is a "hallucination" or true? I don't recall ever eating baklava that has pine nuts?
Q: What’s baklava? Does all baklava have pine nuts?

A: Baklava is a sweet dessert made of layers of phyllo pastry, nuts (commonly pistachios, walnuts, or almonds), and sweetened with honey or syrup. While some recipes include pine nuts, they are not a necessary ingredient in all baklava variations. The nut mixture can vary based on regional preferences or personal recipes.
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I use it for things like Excel formulas where I know what I want and see if it can find a better way to write a compound formula versus me doing multiple cells and formulas to accomplish the same thing. I've also used it to take on personas and respond to questions. For instance, "you are a senior director in XYZ, what are the most important metrics for you?" "You are in marketing, write a campaign for announcing a new product". It helps give me some new ideas on how to approach problems.

The problem I keep running into is you need to almost know the answer to enter the prompt properly. "what do you think about X?" is not getting the same result as "You are an expert in X, you are writing a plan on A and you need to consider B,C,D as constraints. Respond in the format of a bullet list with 3 sub bullets". Not everyone thinks like that or can articulate their needs properly. You may get what you want if you can work through your requirements in having a conversation. It's like me trying to feed my kids...they say they want food. I give them options and they choose but it's still not what they wanted or arranged in the right way.
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tetractys wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:52 am
SmileyFace wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:39 am
student wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:05 am For important email, I use it to check whether there are writing issues.
Just make sure these are important but NOT private emails. Anything you give them - they collect and can use.
Is that true for all AI apps? I know Replika and of course Google collects data; but I believe there are other AI apps do not.
I don't know that I know ALL AI Apps :)
My concern isn't really private data about me (I assume that's out there these days anyway) - but if I have a something proof-read or checked - that can be ingested in the AI engine and used to answer questions by others.
Imagine you asking "ChatGPT: What do you think of this algorithm I came up with for goobligook: (xyzxyzxyz)"
Now your competitor comes along and asks "ChatGPT: Can you give me an algorithm for googligook?". ChatGPT then answers "Sure - here is one I learned recently (xyzxyzxyz)".
Imagine a student writing a paper for school and having it proofread. Another student then asks for a paper on the same topic gets a version of that same paper as it was ingested and used to feed the AI machine.
Just assume - anything you give - will in turn be given.
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student wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:06 am
knightrider wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:02 am It's impressive but rarely tells you anything you didn't already know. As mentioned before, it just reads like a wikipedia article.

One useful thing is my son has a pine nut allergy. I asked it what foods contain that and it came with some unexpected answers like Baklava. Not sure if that is a "hallucination" or true? I don't recall ever eating baklava that has pine nuts?
It seems that it is not uncommon. https://shariblogs.com/experimenting-wi ... delicious/
Interesting , but that article seems to be AI generated. So that's why I question the future of AI when a lot of what it learns from is polluted by its own output. Not a big deal today, but likely a big problem in 5+ years. There really is no substitute for human moderation.
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knightrider wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:12 am
student wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:06 am
knightrider wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:02 am It's impressive but rarely tells you anything you didn't already know. As mentioned before, it just reads like a wikipedia article.

One useful thing is my son has a pine nut allergy. I asked it what foods contain that and it came with some unexpected answers like Baklava. Not sure if that is a "hallucination" or true? I don't recall ever eating baklava that has pine nuts?
It seems that it is not uncommon. https://shariblogs.com/experimenting-wi ... delicious/
Interesting , but that article seems to be AI generated. So that's why I question the future of AI when a lot of what it learns from is polluted by its own output. Not a big deal today, but likely a big problem in 5+ years. There really is no substitute for human moderation.
Fuse an internet riddled with misinformation with a system that hallucinates and you are asking for trouble.

My recollection of baklava is that most contain crushed nuts of various kinds.
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knightrider wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:12 am
student wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:06 am
knightrider wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:02 am It's impressive but rarely tells you anything you didn't already know. As mentioned before, it just reads like a wikipedia article.

One useful thing is my son has a pine nut allergy. I asked it what foods contain that and it came with some unexpected answers like Baklava. Not sure if that is a "hallucination" or true? I don't recall ever eating baklava that has pine nuts?
It seems that it is not uncommon. https://shariblogs.com/experimenting-wi ... delicious/
Interesting , but that article seems to be AI generated. So that's why I question the future of AI when a lot of what it learns from is polluted by its own output. Not a big deal today, but likely a big problem in 5+ years. There really is no substitute for human moderation.
I guess I am not very good at detecting articles that are written by AI. Here is a link to a company that sells baklava with pine nuts https://tahoon.com/products/pine-nuts-baklava-organic so the warning is probably correct.
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jebmke wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:16 am Fuse an internet riddled with misinformation with a system that hallucinates and you are asking for trouble.
For sure. I post a lot on reddit and notice anything "unpopular" gets heavily downvoted even though it is technically correct. Complex problems have complex solutions which the average redditor don't bother to understand. It's a shoot from the hips culture which then feeds these LLM models with gibberish opinions..
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SmileyFace wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:09 am
tetractys wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:52 am
SmileyFace wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:39 am
student wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:05 am For important email, I use it to check whether there are writing issues.
Just make sure these are important but NOT private emails. Anything you give them - they collect and can use.
Is that true for all AI apps? I know Replika and of course Google collects data; but I believe there are other AI apps do not.
I don't know that I know ALL AI Apps :)
My concern isn't really private data about me (I assume that's out there these days anyway) - but if I have a something proof-read or checked - that can be ingested in the AI engine and used to answer questions by others.
Imagine you asking "ChatGPT: What do you think of this algorithm I came up with for goobligook: (xyzxyzxyz)"
Now your competitor comes along and asks "ChatGPT: Can you give me an algorithm for googligook?". ChatGPT then answers "Sure - here is one I learned recently (xyzxyzxyz)".
Imagine a student writing a paper for school and having it proofread. Another student then asks for a paper on the same topic gets a version of that same paper as it was ingested and used to feed the AI machine.
Just assume - anything you give - will in turn be given.
Q: Are ChatGPT conversations public?

A: No, your conversations with ChatGPT are private and not publicly accessible. Your interactions with the AI are not shared or viewable by anyone else unless you choose to share the content yourself.
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tetractys wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:22 am
SmileyFace wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:09 am
tetractys wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:52 am
SmileyFace wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:39 am
student wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:05 am For important email, I use it to check whether there are writing issues.
Just make sure these are important but NOT private emails. Anything you give them - they collect and can use.
Is that true for all AI apps? I know Replika and of course Google collects data; but I believe there are other AI apps do not.
I don't know that I know ALL AI Apps :)
My concern isn't really private data about me (I assume that's out there these days anyway) - but if I have a something proof-read or checked - that can be ingested in the AI engine and used to answer questions by others.
Imagine you asking "ChatGPT: What do you think of this algorithm I came up with for goobligook: (xyzxyzxyz)"
Now your competitor comes along and asks "ChatGPT: Can you give me an algorithm for googligook?". ChatGPT then answers "Sure - here is one I learned recently (xyzxyzxyz)".
Imagine a student writing a paper for school and having it proofread. Another student then asks for a paper on the same topic gets a version of that same paper as it was ingested and used to feed the AI machine.
Just assume - anything you give - will in turn be given.
Q: Are ChatGPT conversations public?

A: No, your conversations with ChatGPT are private and not publicly accessible. Your interactions with the AI are not shared or viewable by anyone else unless you choose to share the content yourself.
While they won't post what you say with your name on it publicly - they are ingesting everything and they feel free to re-use any content they collect. A lot of companies are updating their computer usage policies warning employees NOT to use ChatGPT for this reason.
There are dozens (or hundreds) of articles on this. An example:
"However, it's important to remember that the information you share with it could well be used to train the platform, and may appear in other users requests, in various forms. You can opt out of having your data used by ChatGPT, and we'd suggest familiarizing yourself with how the platform uses your data."
From: https://tech.co/news/things-never-share ... our%20data.

And no - I am not sure I trust any opt-outs. The whole point to AI is to keep on learning.
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tetractys wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:22 am
SmileyFace wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:09 am
tetractys wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:52 am
SmileyFace wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:39 am
student wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:05 am For important email, I use it to check whether there are writing issues.
Just make sure these are important but NOT private emails. Anything you give them - they collect and can use.
Is that true for all AI apps? I know Replika and of course Google collects data; but I believe there are other AI apps do not.
I don't know that I know ALL AI Apps :)
My concern isn't really private data about me (I assume that's out there these days anyway) - but if I have a something proof-read or checked - that can be ingested in the AI engine and used to answer questions by others.
Imagine you asking "ChatGPT: What do you think of this algorithm I came up with for goobligook: (xyzxyzxyz)"
Now your competitor comes along and asks "ChatGPT: Can you give me an algorithm for googligook?". ChatGPT then answers "Sure - here is one I learned recently (xyzxyzxyz)".
Imagine a student writing a paper for school and having it proofread. Another student then asks for a paper on the same topic gets a version of that same paper as it was ingested and used to feed the AI machine.
Just assume - anything you give - will in turn be given.
Q: Are ChatGPT conversations public?

A: No, your conversations with ChatGPT are private and not publicly accessible. Your interactions with the AI are not shared or viewable by anyone else unless you choose to share the content yourself.
That's what I would say if I were ChatGPT. :twisted:
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There’s been a lot of interesting responses here! I’m learning that AI apps can be very useful when used intelligently.
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knightrider wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:21 am
jebmke wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:16 am Fuse an internet riddled with misinformation with a system that hallucinates and you are asking for trouble.
For sure. I post a lot on reddit and notice anything "unpopular" gets heavily downvoted even though it is technically correct. Complex problems have complex solutions which the average redditor don't bother to understand. It's a shoot from the hips culture which then feeds these LLM models with gibberish opinions..
I have similar feeling about reddit, too many low quality posts. So sometimes I read for entertainment and I have only posted once there. This is really the only forum that I post.
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jebmke wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:28 am
tetractys wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:22 am
SmileyFace wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:09 am
tetractys wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:52 am
SmileyFace wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:39 am

Just make sure these are important but NOT private emails. Anything you give them - they collect and can use.
Is that true for all AI apps? I know Replika and of course Google collects data; but I believe there are other AI apps do not.
I don't know that I know ALL AI Apps :)
My concern isn't really private data about me (I assume that's out there these days anyway) - but if I have a something proof-read or checked - that can be ingested in the AI engine and used to answer questions by others.
Imagine you asking "ChatGPT: What do you think of this algorithm I came up with for goobligook: (xyzxyzxyz)"
Now your competitor comes along and asks "ChatGPT: Can you give me an algorithm for googligook?". ChatGPT then answers "Sure - here is one I learned recently (xyzxyzxyz)".
Imagine a student writing a paper for school and having it proofread. Another student then asks for a paper on the same topic gets a version of that same paper as it was ingested and used to feed the AI machine.
Just assume - anything you give - will in turn be given.
Q: Are ChatGPT conversations public?

A: No, your conversations with ChatGPT are private and not publicly accessible. Your interactions with the AI are not shared or viewable by anyone else unless you choose to share the content yourself.
That's what I would say if I were ChatGPT. :twisted:
lol. It has its fingers crossed.
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jebmke wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:45 am
SmileyFace wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:39 am
student wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:05 am For important email, I use it to check whether there are writing issues.
Just make sure these are important but NOT private emails. Anything you give them - they collect and can use.
it may already be "searched"; after years of warnings from in-house counsel, I have learned to never put anything in an email that I wouldn't want someone else to see.

Unless you are using encryption, I would not assume "private" emails are private.
Certainly anything that is used in a corporate email system is viewable/searchable by your employer and may actually be archived forever for regulatory or other reasons.
I also wouldn't trust privacy with most service providers either.
But if you then take this email and also feed it into AI - now you have a whole new exposure.
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tetractys wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:32 am There’s been a lot of interesting responses here! I’m learning that AI apps can be very useful when used intelligently.
That is true with a lot of automation. I spent my career in the industrial automation business. Having the right skills and training were key factors in how well our customers achieved the productivity gains inherently available in the technology. Training was a significant source of revenue for us.
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student wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:35 am
jebmke wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:28 am
tetractys wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:22 am
SmileyFace wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:09 am
tetractys wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:52 am Is that true for all AI apps? I know Replika and of course Google collects data; but I believe there are other AI apps do not.
I don't know that I know ALL AI Apps :)
My concern isn't really private data about me (I assume that's out there these days anyway) - but if I have a something proof-read or checked - that can be ingested in the AI engine and used to answer questions by others.
Imagine you asking "ChatGPT: What do you think of this algorithm I came up with for goobligook: (xyzxyzxyz)"
Now your competitor comes along and asks "ChatGPT: Can you give me an algorithm for googligook?". ChatGPT then answers "Sure - here is one I learned recently (xyzxyzxyz)".
Imagine a student writing a paper for school and having it proofread. Another student then asks for a paper on the same topic gets a version of that same paper as it was ingested and used to feed the AI machine.
Just assume - anything you give - will in turn be given.
Q: Are ChatGPT conversations public?

A: No, your conversations with ChatGPT are private and not publicly accessible. Your interactions with the AI are not shared or viewable by anyone else unless you choose to share the content yourself.
That's what I would say if I were ChatGPT. :twisted:
lol. It has its fingers crossed.
Is taking some of the "content" out of a conversation - feeding it to an AI engine with millions of other conversations - then using the results without crediting to you "making it public"? ChatGPT lawyers will tell you of course not.

Sorry to derail the originally intent of the thread - but hopefully you see my point.
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SmileyFace wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:26 am And no - I am not sure I trust any opt-outs. The whole point to AI is to keep on learning.
Q: Can opt-outs on AI apps be trusted? Is the whole purpose of AI to keep learning?

A: Opt-outs in AI apps often pertain to user data and preferences rather than the core learning mechanism of the AI. The purpose of AI is indeed to learn, but opt-outs usually refer to stopping data collection or personalization rather than halting the learning process itself. While AI's primary function is to continuously learn and improve, opting out might limit how much personal data is used rather than completely stopping the learning process. Trust depends on the app's transparency and adherence to privacy policies.

My take: You have legitimate concerns. AI apps are useful; but should be used wisely.
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tetractys wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:39 am
SmileyFace wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:26 am And no - I am not sure I trust any opt-outs. The whole point to AI is to keep on learning.
Q: Can opt-outs on AI apps be trusted? Is the whole purpose of AI to keep learning?

A: Opt-outs in AI apps often pertain to user data and preferences rather than the core learning mechanism of the AI. The purpose of AI is indeed to learn, but opt-outs usually refer to stopping data collection or personalization rather than halting the learning process itself. While AI's primary function is to continuously learn and improve, opting out might limit how much personal data is used rather than completely stopping the learning process. Trust depends on the app's transparency and adherence to privacy policies.
There you have it!
Consider this before you ask the question:
"Hi ChatGPT - What do you think of my Grandmother's super secret recipe for marinara sauce - here it is: xxxxx".
:D
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SmileyFace wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:37 am
student wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:35 am
jebmke wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:28 am
tetractys wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:22 am
SmileyFace wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:09 am

I don't know that I know ALL AI Apps :)
My concern isn't really private data about me (I assume that's out there these days anyway) - but if I have a something proof-read or checked - that can be ingested in the AI engine and used to answer questions by others.
Imagine you asking "ChatGPT: What do you think of this algorithm I came up with for goobligook: (xyzxyzxyz)"
Now your competitor comes along and asks "ChatGPT: Can you give me an algorithm for googligook?". ChatGPT then answers "Sure - here is one I learned recently (xyzxyzxyz)".
Imagine a student writing a paper for school and having it proofread. Another student then asks for a paper on the same topic gets a version of that same paper as it was ingested and used to feed the AI machine.
Just assume - anything you give - will in turn be given.
Q: Are ChatGPT conversations public?

A: No, your conversations with ChatGPT are private and not publicly accessible. Your interactions with the AI are not shared or viewable by anyone else unless you choose to share the content yourself.
That's what I would say if I were ChatGPT. :twisted:
lol. It has its fingers crossed.
Is taking some of the "content" out of a conversation - feeding it to an AI engine with millions of other conversations - then using the results without crediting to you "making it public"? ChatGPT lawyers will tell you of course not.

Sorry to derail the originally intent of the thread - but hopefully you see my point.
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I use Bing Chat (Microsoftized chat gpt 4.0 to web real time), vanilla chat gpt 3.5 (stuck in time), and Bard. When one gives me an answer about which I am dubious or worse I ask it if it’s sure, or compare answers from the other two, and I go out to the web to fact check. I use it for tons of stuff, the way I used to use Google. But, I don’t use them for writing. As you can probably tell.

They do just totally make stuff up sometimes, big massive whoppers, so reality testing is a necessary skill when using this stuff. But isn’t that the case for the interwebs in general? Most often, I’d say 95 percent of the time, if I ask “are you sure” and then write the part of the answer I am concerned about, it corrects itself and offers an abject apology,
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In radiology, there is AI software based on LLMs that will generate in impression at the end of your dictated reports. (Impression is the summary after you dictate all the details of what you see.) It learns from your previous reports and replicates your phrasing. Our group has decided not to implement it at this time, but the pitch claimed to save one hour of work time per day.

Other programs are geared toward limited image analysis and can, for example, assist the radiologist to find breast cancers, lung cancers, or brain bleeds. We use these and they are moderately unreliable at the moment. I expect things to improve over the coming years and decades. Most in the field believe radiologists will use AI as a tool to improve accuracy and efficiency in the short/intermediate term future. At some point I would not surprised to be out of a job, but hopefully I'll be ready to retire at that point :sharebeer
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I don't know all the ways I'm using AI, because they are mostly buried in other apps. Does the adaptive cruise control in our 2016 car use AI?

I don't want to pay for the full version of Photoshop but I am definitely looking forward to the day when I will be able to use "generative fill" at an acceptable cost. It was only a few years ago that a family group of about nine wanted a group picture, so we sat on some front steps, and the one on the left got up and took a picture and sat down in the same place, and the one on the right got up and took a picture. I used Photoshop Element to blend the two into a very acceptable single group picture of all nine of us. But I do believe AI could probably do things like that with a lot less work.

I think the large language model stuff is insanely overhyped, not world-changing*, and faddish. But then, when I was a student at MIT I took a course in computer programming from Joseph Weizenbaum and, along the way, had ELIZA demonstrated to me by Weizenbaum itself. He spent a lot of the rest of his career warning people not to be fooled by what we now call chatbots.

I have used one of them, probably Bing Chat, to create instructional materials for language learning, specifically "please rewrite this story in simple English at the comprehension level of a second grader." It ain't bad, and of course you can quickly check it for errors. Main problem is that the free tools won't rewrite passages longer than maybe ten paragraphs.

*Are 3D printing, Google Translate-level machine translation, and self-balancing vehicles like Segways world-changing? If, arguably, they are, then LLM chatbots arguably are.
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I’m having fun with ChatGPT free open source. So far I haven’t gotten any fresh responses, which is good IMO. Here’s a conversation I just did that says a lot about capability:

Q: A Yang Ming freighter is anchored in Yukon Harbor, Puget Sound. Where will its cargo end up?

A: The destination of cargo on a Yang Ming freighter anchored in Yukon Harbor, Puget Sound, can vary. Yang Ming operates worldwide, so the cargo could be destined for various locations globally, depending on the specific shipment's contents and intended recipients. The goods might be unloaded locally in Puget Sound or further distributed via other transportation modes to different regions or countries based on the consignee's needs.

Q: Its cargo will definitely be unloaded locally. Where will it go from there, to what specific recipients?

A: I don't have real-time access to specific shipping manifests or real-time information about individual cargo on a Yang Ming freighter anchored in Yukon Harbor, Puget Sound. The destination and recipients of the cargo could include local warehouses, distribution centers, or specific companies or retailers in the Puget Sound region or nearby areas. The specific recipients would depend on the contents of the cargo and the agreements between the shipper, recipient, and any intermediaries involved in the logistics chain.
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tetractys wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:34 am I’m having fun with ChatGPT free open source. So far I haven’t gotten any fresh responses, which is good IMO. Here’s a conversation I just did that says a lot about capability:

Q: A Yang Ming freighter is anchored in Yukon Harbor, Puget Sound. Where will its cargo end up?

A: The destination of cargo on a Yang Ming freighter anchored in Yukon Harbor, Puget Sound, can vary. Yang Ming operates worldwide, so the cargo could be destined for various locations globally, depending on the specific shipment's contents and intended recipients. The goods might be unloaded locally in Puget Sound or further distributed via other transportation modes to different regions or countries based on the consignee's needs.

Q: Its cargo will definitely be unloaded locally. Where will it go from there, to what specific recipients?

A: I don't have real-time access to specific shipping manifests or real-time information about individual cargo on a Yang Ming freighter anchored in Yukon Harbor, Puget Sound. The destination and recipients of the cargo could include local warehouses, distribution centers, or specific companies or retailers in the Puget Sound region or nearby areas. The specific recipients would depend on the contents of the cargo and the agreements between the shipper, recipient, and any intermediaries involved in the logistics chain.
It is impressive technology from an intellectual perspective. As a personal consumer (and to your original post) I am struggling to see how I would utilize this, since Wikipedia already exists. What is your takeaway from this conversation?
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