Ford EVs (and other EVs?) switching to Tesla chargers

[harikaried]

Ford just announced their EVs will get a CCS-to-Tesla adapter for existing vehicles, but more importantly their future vehicles will use the North American Charging Standard (NACS), which is Tesla officially opening up their connector. Potentially this might lead to all EVs in the US directly plugging into Tesla Supercharger network for Level 3 charging and presumably regular charging for Level 1 and Level 2 at home and businesses.

Ford EV Customers To Gain Access to 12,000 Tesla Superchargers; Company to Add North American Charging Standard Port in Future EVs

Rebecca Tinucci, Tesla’s senior director of charging infrastructure: “We’ve spent the last 10 years building an industry-leading Charging Network that enables freedom to travel and provides charging confidence for our Tesla owners. We’re excited to deliver on our mission to accelerate the world’s transition to sustainable energy by welcoming Ford owners, and other electric vehicles who adopt NACS, to our thousands of Superchargers across North America.”

A Tesla-developed adapter will provide Ford F-150 Lightning, Mustang Mach-E and E-Transit vehicles fitted with the Combined Charging System (CCS) port access to Tesla’s V3 Superchargers. Ford will equip future EVs with the NACS charge port, removing the need for an adapter for direct access to Tesla Superchargers, starting in 2025.

“Tesla has led the industry in creating a large, reliable and efficient charging system and we are pleased to be able to join forces in a way that benefits customers and overall EV adoption,” said Marin Gjaja, chief customer officer, Ford Model e. “The Tesla Supercharger network has excellent reliability and the NACS plug is smaller and lighter. Overall, this provides a superior experience for customers.”

We currently have two Teslas sharing a Tesla mobile connector with Tesla/NACS plug for charging at home, but we were thinking of installing a more permanent wall charger at home and at work. If other automakers switch to NACS, it seems like it gives us more future flexibility to buy and charge non-Tesla EVs? Previously, people around here have suggested installing a more generic J1772 for better compatibility, but this seems like it should change those recommendations?

[cmr79]

Very very interesting development. I do think Tesla's NACS is a superior adapter, and the Supercharger network is by far the best in the business, but I had figured that the ship had sailed in terms of other major auto manufacturers adopting NACS because Tesla waited too long to open it up as an alternative to CCS.

[billaster]

Might be a little late for Tesla to open their proprietary standard. The Department of Transportation and Department of Energy have already deemed the CCS connector to be the national standard. There is $2.5 billion dedicated to installing up to 500,000 public EV chargers, all of which must be CCS. Tesla applied for grants as part of this which means Tesla will be converting 7,500 charging station to be CCS compatible. NACS may soon find itself in the minority.

All of the Tesla cars sold in the EU are already compatible with the EU CCS version of the standard.

It's not yet clear what Ford plans to do. They will use a NACS to CCS adapter for the next two years and then add a built in NACS connector in 2025. But they haven't said whether the NACS connector will be standalone or side by side with the CCS connector. Seems it would be rather risky for Ford to hitch their future entirely to the whims of Elon Musk.

One of the issues is that NACS uses the same two wires for AC and DC while CCS had separate wires for AC and DC. This means that a NACS-only car requires a different electrical topology and big internal switches that can handle very high amperage to switch AC and DC inputs.

[mrb09]

It's not yet clear what Ford plans to do. They will use a NACS to CCS adapter for the next two years and then add a built in NACS connector in 2025. But they haven't said whether the NACS connector will be standalone or side by side with the CCS connector. Seems it would be rather risky for Ford to hitch their future entirely to the whims of Elon Musk.

Ford did say you can continue to use existing chargers, so I'm assuming that they'll keep the CCS port. Otherwise the Ford dealers that they made put in CCS charging stations are going to be very angry . A Nissan Leaf is kinda like that, it has a separate CHAdeMO and J1772 port.

My understanding is that internally Tesla switched to CCS signal protocol a while back while keeping their Tesla/NACS physical pins, so adapters back and forth (like the Tesla->CCS magic dock on the Tesla chargers, or the CCS->Tesla adapter Tesla sells to owners) aren't that hard, at least they're not having to change the signal protocol.

Maybe CCS will need to be renamed ACCS (Almost Combined Charging System)

[billaster]

The CEO of Ford clarified their position today. He says he thinks it's possible that NACS could emerge as the national standard so hedging their bet. Seems like a long bet given the Department of Transportation is spending $2.5 billion on CCS and Tesla is converting 7,500 of their stations to CCS and most of the rest of the world is CCS.

But it seems the stock market liked it. Both Ford and Tesla stocks jumped on the news.

[zie]

The CEO of Ford clarified their position today. He says he thinks it's possible that NACS could emerge as the national standard so hedging their bet. Seems like a long bet given the Department of Transportation is spending $2.5 billion on CCS and Tesla is converting 7,500 of their stations to CCS and most of the rest of the world is CCS.

But it seems the stock market liked it. Both Ford and Tesla stocks jumped on the news.

Just to be clear, The rest of the world(meaning essentially Europe) adopted CCS2, the US is on CCS1. The connectors are not the same. The evil details are described in IEC 62196-2. China and some other parts of Asia are doing ChaoJi, a totally different connector(but still mostly doing CCS protocol from what I understand).

The closest thing we have to a standard is the CCS communication protocol(which Tesla's NACS, CCS1, CCS2 and ChaoJi all do) but the physical ports cars are using are still all over the map when looked at across the globe.

[billaster]

Just to be clear, The rest of the world(meaning essentially Europe) adopted CCS2, the US is on CCS1. The connectors are not the same. The evil details are described in IEC 62196-2. China and some other parts of Asia are doing ChaoJi, a totally different connector(but still mostly doing CCS protocol from what I understand).

The closest thing we have to a standard is the CCS communication protocol(which Tesla's NACS, CCS1, CCS2 and ChaoJi all do) but the physical ports cars are using are still all over the map when looked at across the globe.

CCS2 is CCS1 with two extra pins to accommodate optional three-phase AC, which is relatively common in the EU, even in residences, but only in large commercial locations in the U.S. China is also using a version of CCS. There seems to be general convergence on some form of CCS around the world except Japan which still is using CHAdeMO.

The only place Tesla's NACS is in use is, as the name implies, North America.

EVs are still in their infancy. It's going to take a few years for this all to shake out.

[zie]

Just to be clear, The rest of the world(meaning essentially Europe) adopted CCS2, the US is on CCS1. The connectors are not the same. The evil details are described in IEC 62196-2. China and some other parts of Asia are doing ChaoJi, a totally different connector(but still mostly doing CCS protocol from what I understand).

The closest thing we have to a standard is the CCS communication protocol(which Tesla's NACS, CCS1, CCS2 and ChaoJi all do) but the physical ports cars are using are still all over the map when looked at across the globe.

CCS2 is CCS1 with two extra pins to accommodate optional three-phase AC, which is relatively common in the EU, even in residences, but only in large commercial locations in the U.S. China is also using a version of CCS. There seems to be general convergence on some form of CCS around the world except Japan which still is using CHAdeMO.

The only place Tesla's NACS is in use is, as the name implies, North America.

EVs are still in their infancy. It's going to take a few years for this all to shake out.

Something I'm not sure you have internalized or understood from what I wrote: NACS also uses the CCS protocol. You seem to really dislike NACS, even though every physical connector is essentially geographically localized. It's not like NACS is some freakish outlier here.

Yes EV's are in their infancy, but I don't really see any region changing out their physical connectors anytime soon. The only real problem is the USA which has 2 competing physical connectors, I really hope one of them dies, it's just stupid to have them both. I personally could care less which one wins, I just hope one of them does sooner rather than later.

[RichK]

Green Car Reports had the following comment from Ford regarding the switch to Tesla's NACS standard:

As new Ford EVs are introduced, it will be abandoning the CCS standard in the U.S. completely. When asked whether next-generation Ford EVs will have the CCS port, Ford replied to Green Car Reports: “Gen 2 EVs with the NACS port will have the option of charging at CCS chargers via an adapter.“

So it seems there will not be a dual port which makes sense from a cost and packaging perspective.

I have a Mach E. Ford's app presently works as plug-and-play (well, most of the time) with a number of non-Tesla providers. In 2024 there will be a NACS adaptor available that will enable Ford vehicles to use the Ford app with Tesla superchargers. I would be interested as it would increase charging flexibility on trips. Presently I use mainly Electrify America on trips, and the experience can be spotty. It requires planning your stops and doing anecdotal research to determine which charging station is likely to give you the best results. Tesla Superchargers would be more reliable, but the cord location and length is a bit of an issue.

[TravellingTechOnFire]

Just to be clear, The rest of the world(meaning essentially Europe) adopted CCS2, the US is on CCS1. The connectors are not the same. The evil details are described in IEC 62196-2. China and some other parts of Asia are doing ChaoJi, a totally different connector(but still mostly doing CCS protocol from what I understand).

The closest thing we have to a standard is the CCS communication protocol(which Tesla's NACS, CCS1, CCS2 and ChaoJi all do) but the physical ports cars are using are still all over the map when looked at across the globe.

CCS2 is CCS1 with two extra pins to accommodate optional three-phase AC, which is relatively common in the EU, even in residences, but only in large commercial locations in the U.S. China is also using a version of CCS. There seems to be general convergence on some form of CCS around the world except Japan which still is using CHAdeMO.

The only place Tesla's NACS is in use is, as the name implies, North America.

EVs are still in their infancy. It's going to take a few years for this all to shake out.

Something I'm not sure you have internalized or understood from what I wrote: NACS also uses the CCS protocol. You seem to really dislike NACS, even though every physical connector is essentially geographically localized. It's not like NACS is some freakish outlier here.

Yes EV's are in their infancy, but I don't really see any region changing out their physical connectors anytime soon. The only real problem is the USA which has 2 competing physical connectors, I really hope one of them dies, it's just stupid to have them both. I personally could care less which one wins, I just hope one of them does sooner rather than later.

I have a CCS EV, and a NACS EV. I sincerely hope it is CCS that dies out. The plug is just so enormous and gangly. NACS is a much better design.

I agree, there is no worldwide standard. Every region has their own plug, so saying CCS is a global standard is just inaccurate.

With Rivian and Lucid in their infancy and struggling, they would be wise to strike a similar deal with Tesla.

[cmr79]

It wouldn't make a lot of sense for Lucid with their ~900V architecture until Tesla rolls out the next gen Superchargers in the US. Their cars charge poorly when using Magic Dock chargers currently because they have to convert the lower Supercharger voltage to match the battery pack.

[KarenC]

The Munro Live folks have an interesting, albeit opinionated, take at https://youtu.be/zsNiupN1X7s

[harikaried]

There is $2.5 billion dedicated to installing up to 500,000 public EV chargers, all of which must be CCS

You've mentioned that more than once, but even the former Ford CEO Mark Fields believes Tesla is now eligible for federal funding to build out charging infrastructure with non-proprietary NACS connector?

https://youtu.be/D23nxNhbGL0?t=99

[billaster]

There is $2.5 billion dedicated to installing up to 500,000 public EV chargers, all of which must be CCS

You've mentioned that more than once, but even the former Ford CEO Mark Fields believes Tesla is now eligible for federal funding to build out charging infrastructure with non-proprietary NACS connector?

https://youtu.be/D23nxNhbGL0?t=99

Tesla is getting IRA money to modify 7,500 of their charging ports to have CCS connectors. Only CCS ports are eligible for federal grants. Tesla is getting federal grants, but only for adding CCS connectors.

Musk tried to get a deal where he only had to put one CCS connector in an entire station, but the Department of Transportation is requiring a certain minimum number at each station in order to qualify.

[hunoraut]

CCS2, while larger than NCS, can be done well.

Tesla’s European V3 superchargers uses CCS2 head but is slim and lightweight, and that even goes for the cable itself. And it does this while delivering 250kw to the cars.

Thats compared to any other charging providers (of which there are many), and even their own V2 hardware.

[harikaried]

I had figured that the ship had sailed in terms of other major auto manufacturers adopting NACS because Tesla waited too long to open it up as an alternative to CCS

Yeah, it'll be an interesting dynamic now with the top 2 EV makers in the US with more than ⅔ market share are using this standard going forwards. Presumably other automakers will eat into that market share pushing the current leaders under 50% as EVs become the majority of miles driven, but others might also switch especially if NACS is cheaper and the automaker wants to scale to millions of annual EV production.

The transition period that Ford and others will need to go through of taking care of existing customers with the old port will probably affect a relatively small number of vehicles if automakers plan on making even more EVs with NACS for the many years to come.

[harikaried]

My understanding is that internally Tesla switched to CCS signal protocol a while back while keeping their Tesla/NACS physical pins, so adapters back and forth (like the Tesla->CCS magic dock on the Tesla chargers, or the CCS->Tesla adapter Tesla sells to owners) aren't that hard, at least they're not having to change the signal protocol.

Oh that's interesting. I would guess Tesla updated vehicle charging software in 2018 so that Europe Model 3s would support CCS plugs ahead of new Europe S/X since mid-2019 not needing a CCS adapter and retrofit. Potentially Tesla vehicles were still using Tesla's protocol for Supercharging, and it might not have been until late 2021 when Superchargers in Netherlands had software updated to handle CCS protocol as part of the original non-Tesla Supercharger pilot.

As for Teslas in North America, some people used the official CCS adapter originally only available in Korea and required a late 2021 vehicle update to use. The CCS adapter only officially became available for North America in 2022 with retrofits needed for vehicles made before October 2020, so it seems like both the vehicle hardware and software were CCS-ready for a while probably due to the original development to support European vehicles.

It does seem natural for Tesla to switch to CCS protocol for their vehicles and Superchargers that then allowed for Ford and other automakers to be compatible with NACS connector.

[mark_in_denver]

Just to be clear, The rest of the world(meaning essentially Europe) adopted CCS2, the US is on CCS1. The connectors are not the same. The evil details are described in IEC 62196-2. China and some other parts of Asia are doing ChaoJi, a totally different connector(but still mostly doing CCS protocol from what I understand).

The closest thing we have to a standard is the CCS communication protocol(which Tesla's NACS, CCS1, CCS2 and ChaoJi all do) but the physical ports cars are using are still all over the map when looked at across the globe.

CCS2 is CCS1 with two extra pins to accommodate optional three-phase AC, which is relatively common in the EU, even in residences, but only in large commercial locations in the U.S. China is also using a version of CCS. There seems to be general convergence on some form of CCS around the world except Japan which still is using CHAdeMO.

The only place Tesla's NACS is in use is, as the name implies, North America.

EVs are still in their infancy. It's going to take a few years for this all to shake out.

Something I'm not sure you have internalized or understood from what I wrote: NACS also uses the CCS protocol. You seem to really dislike NACS, even though every physical connector is essentially geographically localized. It's not like NACS is some freakish outlier here.

Yes EV's are in their infancy, but I don't really see any region changing out their physical connectors anytime soon. The only real problem is the USA which has 2 competing physical connectors, I really hope one of them dies, it's just stupid to have them both. I personally could care less which one wins, I just hope one of them does sooner rather than later.

I have a CCS EV, and a NACS EV. I sincerely hope it is CCS that dies out. The plug is just so enormous and gangly. NACS is a much better design.

I agree, there is no worldwide standard. Every region has their own plug, so saying CCS is a global standard is just inaccurate.

With Rivian and Lucid in their infancy and struggling, they would be wise to strike a similar deal with Tesla.

Absolutely agree. That CCS DCFC plug is terrible.

Most people aren't impacted if there are multiple checking standards worldwide.

Ford did the right thing. Half the CCS DCFC chargers are busted. They must have saw the writing on the wall.

[cmr79]

Ford did the right thing. Half the CCS DCFC chargers are busted. They must have saw the writing on the wall.

Do you have a citation for that? Honestly curious...the best data that I've seen was the UC Berkeley study from last year that found 22% of CCS chargers were inoperable, but that was only looking at CCS chargers in the SF Bay area.

[mrb09]

Ford did the right thing. Half the CCS DCFC chargers are busted. They must have saw the writing on the wall.

Do you have a citation for that? Honestly curious...the best data that I've seen was the UC Berkeley study from last year that found 22% of CCS chargers were inoperable, but that was only looking at CCS chargers in the SF Bay area.

That's my seat-of-the-pants experience with Electrify America, they usually have 4 stations, and often one is out of commission. That kind of makes sense, with 4 stations and if one breaks, there's a repair time involved, and they usually manage to fix it before another one breaks.

I think the problem is more on the point of sale side rather than the connector side though. I've never actually seen a broken connector.

[cmr79]

Ford did the right thing. Half the CCS DCFC chargers are busted. They must have saw the writing on the wall.

Do you have a citation for that? Honestly curious...the best data that I've seen was the UC Berkeley study from last year that found 22% of CCS chargers were inoperable, but that was only looking at CCS chargers in the SF Bay area.

That's my seat-of-the-pants experience with Electrify America, they usually have 4 stations, and often one is out of commission. That kind of makes sense, with 4 stations and if one breaks, there's a repair time involved, and they usually manage to fix it before another one breaks.

I think the problem is more on the point of sale side rather than the connector side though. I've never actually seen a broken connector.

That was the finding of the Berkeley study as well...usually screen or payment processing issues, not the physical infrastructure. EA complained that they might have double counted dual cord chargers, but at the same time it seems like they counted chargers that were delivering far below rates power as "working" from my brief skim, so probably valid arguments that 22% could be either over or undercounting the number of "inoperable" chargers.

[mark_in_denver]

Ford did the right thing. Half the CCS DCFC chargers are busted. They must have saw the writing on the wall.

Do you have a citation for that? Honestly curious...the best data that I've seen was the UC Berkeley study from last year that found 22% of CCS chargers were inoperable, but that was only looking at CCS chargers in the SF Bay area.

4 Stations: 1 or 2 busted, 1 slow (which equates to almost useless), and maybe 2 working as advertised. When EA installed a station near me, within a few weeks one was busted for months.

50kW is not fast charging, Berkeley should have eliminated any and all of those chargers from their study.

[hunoraut]

I think the problem is more on the point of sale side rather than the connector side though. I've never actually seen a broken connector.

It is completely baffling to me that there is not (in my experience) a charging station with a simple, 1-action, RFID tap-to-pay option. There are parking meters and vending machines that do this, and obviously gas stations too, but not charging?

Most of them require downloading an app, registering an account, saving payment profiles, etc... and THEN turns out the station doesnt work anyway.

[Valuethinker]

I think the problem is more on the point of sale side rather than the connector side though. I've never actually seen a broken connector.

It is completely baffling to me that there is not (in my experience) a charging station with a simple, 1-action, RFID tap-to-pay option. There are parking meters and vending machines that do this, and obviously gas stations too, but not charging?

Most of them require downloading an app, registering an account, saving payment profiles, etc... and THEN turns out the station doesnt work anyway.

You might not know this but at one time Los Angeles electricity supply was on a different frequency than the rest of the USA. I believe New York City that might still be the case (some old buildings?) ie not 60 HZ? Japan is *still* split between the German-originated grid (50HZ) and the American one (60HZ). The world's 4th largest economy and they sit on 2 incompatible regional electricity grids (there is special equipment to allow power flows between them).

There used to be towns with 2 incompatible telephone networks. People even had 2 phones 1 for each network.

What you describe is certainly present in some European countries, I believe. We Anglo-Saxons tend to prefer a more "bottom up" anarchy, it seems.

[hunoraut]

You might not know this but at one time Los Angeles electricity supply was on a different frequency than the rest of the USA. I believe New York City that might still be the case (some old buildings?) ie not 60 HZ? Japan is *still* split between the German-originated grid (50HZ) and the American one (60HZ). The world's 4th largest economy and they sit on 2 incompatible regional electricity grids (there is special equipment to allow power flows between them).

There used to be towns with 2 incompatible telephone networks. People even had 2 phones 1 for each network.

What you describe is certainly present in some European countries, I believe. We Anglo-Saxons tend to prefer a more "bottom up" anarchy, it seems.

The most seamless I've found was with a (L2) Monta charger at a Danish hotel, where the box had QR code on it.

Scanning the code with my iPhone brought up a link directly opening the app.

Tapped once to choose using Apple Pay (there was also option for using a card), and another tap to confirm payment, and charging started.

Weird thing is I'd never installed the app, didn't approve to install the app, and it wasn't hosted through a browser either. Somehow the app simply appeared temporarily on the phone.... it was available during the charging session to monitor the charge and cost. And as of right now, it does not exist on the phone, for sure I'd never myself "uninstalled" it.

However it worked it worked well.

[Valuethinker]

You might not know this but at one time Los Angeles electricity supply was on a different frequency than the rest of the USA. I believe New York City that might still be the case (some old buildings?) ie not 60 HZ? Japan is *still* split between the German-originated grid (50HZ) and the American one (60HZ). The world's 4th largest economy and they sit on 2 incompatible regional electricity grids (there is special equipment to allow power flows between them).

There used to be towns with 2 incompatible telephone networks. People even had 2 phones 1 for each network.

What you describe is certainly present in some European countries, I believe. We Anglo-Saxons tend to prefer a more "bottom up" anarchy, it seems.

The most seamless I've found was with a (L2) Monta charger at a Danish hotel, where the box had QR code on it.

Scanning the code with my iPhone brought up a link directly opening the app.

Tapped once to choose using Apple Pay (there was also option for using a card), and another tap to confirm payment, and charging started.

Weird thing is I'd never installed the app, didn't approve to install the app, and it wasn't hosted through a browser either. Somehow the app simply appeared temporarily on the phone.... it was available during the charging session to monitor the charge and cost. And as of right now, it does not exist on the phone, for sure I'd never myself "uninstalled" it.

However it worked it worked well.

That kind of thing sends a chill up my spine.

If you've ever read about Stuxnet the (presumed Israeli-US) attack on the Iranian nuclear centrifuges, which then "weaponised" that approach against embedded devices all across the world. There is some belief that what they did was spread contaminated USB keys around places outside the operation where staff would likely pick them up.

Certainly our USB ports don't work for anything other than charging. However I have heard of malware that can attack via the charger ...

[cmr79]

Ford did the right thing. Half the CCS DCFC chargers are busted. They must have saw the writing on the wall.

Do you have a citation for that? Honestly curious...the best data that I've seen was the UC Berkeley study from last year that found 22% of CCS chargers were inoperable, but that was only looking at CCS chargers in the SF Bay area.

4 Stations: 1 or 2 busted, 1 slow (which equates to almost useless), and maybe 2 working as advertised. When EA installed a station near me, within a few weeks one was busted for months.

50kW is not fast charging, Berkeley should have eliminated any and all of those chargers from their study.

They did describe an "operational" charger as one that is capable of charging at the rated speed and >= 50 kW, however they didn't mention in the methods or results section counting any chargers as non-functional due to lower than rated charging speeds. They also used a Chevy Bolt for some of the testing, which would have prevented them from identifying whether a 150 or 350 kW charger was able to charge at or close to a reasonable speed. Many issues with evaluating charger ability to do >200 kW, though (grid issues, other vehicles charging and total charger bank power limitations, temperature/vehicle limitations), so not evaluating charging beyond whether it was capable of charging a vehicle with at least 50 kW was probably a reasonable first step.

I'm still not clear, though...was your statement just a gut feeling based on the one 4-stall station near you, or was it based on some larger, more representative sample?

[mrb09]

I think the problem is more on the point of sale side rather than the connector side though. I've never actually seen a broken connector.

It is completely baffling to me that there is not (in my experience) a charging station with a simple, 1-action, RFID tap-to-pay option. There are parking meters and vending machines that do this, and obviously gas stations too, but not charging?

Most of them require downloading an app, registering an account, saving payment profiles, etc... and THEN turns out the station doesnt work anyway.

Hopefully the chargex-consortium will eventually help

[evancox10]

You might not know this but at one time Los Angeles electricity supply was on a different frequency than the rest of the USA. I believe New York City that might still be the case (some old buildings?) ie not 60 HZ? Japan is *still* split between the German-originated grid (50HZ) and the American one (60HZ). The world's 4th largest economy and they sit on 2 incompatible regional electricity grids (there is special equipment to allow power flows between them).

There used to be towns with 2 incompatible telephone networks. People even had 2 phones 1 for each network.

What you describe is certainly present in some European countries, I believe. We Anglo-Saxons tend to prefer a more "bottom up" anarchy, it seems.

The most seamless I've found was with a (L2) Monta charger at a Danish hotel, where the box had QR code on it.

Scanning the code with my iPhone brought up a link directly opening the app.

Tapped once to choose using Apple Pay (there was also option for using a card), and another tap to confirm payment, and charging started.

Weird thing is I'd never installed the app, didn't approve to install the app, and it wasn't hosted through a browser either. Somehow the app simply appeared temporarily on the phone.... it was available during the charging session to monitor the charge and cost. And as of right now, it does not exist on the phone, for sure I'd never myself "uninstalled" it.

However it worked it worked well.

That kind of thing sends a chill up my spine.

If you've ever read about Stuxnet the (presumed Israeli-US) attack on the Iranian nuclear centrifuges, which then "weaponised" that approach against embedded devices all across the world. There is some belief that what they did was spread contaminated USB keys around places outside the operation where staff would likely pick them up.

Certainly our USB ports don't work for anything other than charging. However I have heard of malware that can attack via the charger ...

It was likely just an App Clip, nothing nefarious: https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/ ... 73ec53/ios

[FoolStreet]

If you have 2 teslas, I would certainly install the Tesla chargers at home. The discussion above is funny.

For work, there is a lot more info needed. Often, the cost is running electrical, not the end plug. I’m hesitant to offer an opinion since it’s not clear whether you are talking about two plugs in a workshop office or a row of 30 plugs in a commercial building. Also, unclear on your local users. Work chargers tend to be charge point j1772s and is appropriate for diversity.

Also, suggest making the chargers farthest away from the building to prevent misuse by engine cars.

Also, consider longer cables accessible 2 bays to the left and 2 bays to the right and on both sides of the aisle. This allows a morning charge by 2 cars and as long as they leave the chargers unlocked an after lunch crowd can charge, all without moving their cars.

Tesla is the only legitimate fast charger standard in North America. By the time any govt money is spent, Tesla will have built way more stations.

Check out this link for what new chargers are planned in your area.

https://supercharge.info/changes