UCs also make little sense for California kids whose parents make more than 80k and can’t take advantage of Blue and gold plan which gives free tuition.cheapskate wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:43 pm 1) With very few exceptions, it makes very little sense to go to any U of California campuses if you are a CA non-resident. You get little for the non-resident tuition you pay. Very large classes, difficult to sign up for classes, getting a slot even at TA hours very hard etc.
2) As many have mentioned, at Berkeley, CS is offered with Engg (EECS) and within Letters and Sciences. EECS is direct admit, with an admission rate in the very low single digits. It is often the case that kids who are denied EECS are admitted into Stanford. CS in L&S is not direct admit, you get admitted into L&S, then admission into CS is competitive, on the basis of your GPA in 3 gateway CS classes. Make no mistake, these 3 gateway CS classes are *brutal*. Getting the 3.3+ GPA is these 3 gateway classes is not easy. The story is similar in a few other flagship state universities (UWashington and a few others), but the competition is no less fierce at these.
3) Outside of the L&S route, it is nearly impossible to switch into CS in most well known and top ranked (for CS) public universities. Anyone who tells you otherwise is just angling for your out of state tuition dollars.
4) The usual advice of local state school, direct admit CS/Engg is almost always the correct advice. It eliminates all the stress of trying to compete for the few spots in CS after admit.
5) UIllinois (Urbana-Champaign) is a school that offers CS+X majors in Letters and Sciences (in addition to CS/Engineering). All of these are direct admit. There is very little or no difference between the 2. Admission to CS+X is slightly easier than CS/Engr. Something like CS+Math or CS+Statistics might be tougher than CS/Enginering at UIUC. A few CA kids I know have attended Illinois (both CS/Engr, and CS+Statistics). It is one of the few schools where out of state tuition is probably worth it.
I’ve heard horror stories, comically large classes, comical teaching, can’t sign up for classes you want. They’re really overrated.