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Perpetual vs Subscription License - Microsoft Office

Post by socialforums2019 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:07 am

Which license do you use and why?

Perpetual license is a one time $149.99 fee vs a subscription fee of $69.99/year. If you're going to own your device for more than 2 years, doesn't it make sense to get pay the one time perpetual license?

I don't use Powerpoint as the only time I'll need to use it is for work, and work has Office 365 on its laptop. I use the gmail web based app for e-mail. And the free tier 5gb of Onedrive is just fine to store my Word/Excel files.

So what am I missing on why someone would choose subscription over perpetual?

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Post by runner3081 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:17 am

If I had to choose, I would do one-time. Heck, I am still running Office 2010 on my laptop.

However, I would not actually pay money for MS Office these days. LibreOffice is what we have on the laptops for my wife and daughter.

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Post by petulant » Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:43 am

socialforums2019 wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:07 am
Which license do you use and why?

Perpetual license is a one time $149.99 fee vs a subscription fee of $69.99/year. If you're going to own your device for more than 2 years, doesn't it make sense to get pay the one time perpetual license?

I don't use Powerpoint as the only time I'll need to use it is for work, and work has Office 365 on its laptop. I use the gmail web based app for e-mail. And the free tier 5gb of Onedrive is just fine to store my Word/Excel files.

So what am I missing on why someone would choose subscription over perpetual?
You get more devices with the subscription. I did a subscription so I could put Excel on iPad, have it on iPhone for emergencies, and put it on my laptop. I may also put another on my wife's computer when she loses her school license. IiRC the one-time license is one device.

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Post by stan1 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:47 am

We use M365 on five devices for $99/year so the numbers work out better. Have also used the storage on OneDrive.

Unfortunately we have not been successful at getting to one platform for several reasons such as commonality with extended family members and have a hybrid Apple, Google, Dropbox, Evernote, and Microsoft envrionment (paid for Dropbox, Microsoft and 0.99/month for extra Apple storage).

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Post by socialforums2019 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:49 am

runner3081 wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:17 am
If I had to choose, I would do one-time. Heck, I am still running Office 2010 on my laptop.

However, I would not actually pay money for MS Office these days. LibreOffice is what we have on the laptops for my wife and daughter.
I just looked into LibreOffice. Will use this for the time being to decide if I really need a Microsoft product. Really all I'm using it for is tracking finances in Excel.

Quick question, when I save a document in LibreOffice, it looks like it can save as .xlsx file. I haven't tested it, but is this true?

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Post by jebmke » Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:51 am

runner3081 wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:17 am
If I had to choose, I would do one-time. Heck, I am still running Office 2010 on my laptop.

However, I would not actually pay money for MS Office these days. LibreOffice is what we have on the laptops for my wife and daughter.
I’m still running 2010 also, although increasingly I have migrated to Google docs. This makes my files available on any device.
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Post by BBQ Nut » Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:18 am

My lifestyle choice is for perpetual license.

Heavy user of Excel, but only on my laptop at home as I don't want or feel the need to have access to programs or my files on multiple devices or in the cloud. When I'm out, I'm out and doing other stuff.

So, that choice has saved me money over time.

Just my way of doing things, not the only...obviously. :happy
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Post by midareff » Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:19 am

I am still running Office 2010... bought the disc many years ago and have it now installed on this machine the last 5 or 6 years. I delete it from old machines before I sell them. Can you buy the disc or is it download only and I would go perpetual unless you change machines way too frequently.

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Post by Kenkat » Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:29 am

Office 2010 goes out of support in October of this year. Not that that will be the end of it, but it will leave users increasingly exposed to vulnerabilities in the internet connected world. One benefit of the subscription is that you will always have the most recent iteration of the product, patched and up to date. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Microsoft drop the perpetual licensing at some point if only to prevent having to maintain multiple product versions (2010, 2013, 20116, etc.).

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Post by cjking » Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:30 am

I'm as averse to subscriptions as anyone.

What initially triggered me to reconsider is when I came across new Excel functions/features that are only available in the subscription version. The new XLOOKUP function for example. I didn't even realise then how much better this is than it's predecessors, as it's only recently that I've wanted to do lookups based on two or more criteria, which it can do. Apparently non-subscription versions will never get this, so it looks to me that Microsoft might have a policy of gradually relegating the non-subscription versions of Office.

I also decided I would be willing to pay a small amount per month for more cloud space than I can use. This makes the configuration (including backups) of my computers much simpler and less likely to have an unnoticed error. I have three family computers to maintain. Using Onedrive files-on-demand means that each of three users can login to any of three machines, and have all their data available, even if the local SSD doesn't have enough space for all of that persons files.

Lastly, as as a worker at a corporation that uses Microsoft products, I discovered I could get a lifetime 30% discount on a family subscription.

My 365 subscription is reasonable value, to me, just for the cloud space. So I see the additional benefit of Office 365 as being virtually free.

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Post by gtd98765 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:48 am

socialforums2019 wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:49 am


Quick question, when I save a document in LibreOffice, it looks like it can save as .xlsx file. I haven't tested it, but is this true?
Yes. While the default formats for LibreOffice are Open Document, you can set it to save in MS Office formats like .xlsx by default if you like.
Select Tools/Options/LoadSave/General and pick Spreadsheet as File Type to get to the right place.

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Post by Iowa David » Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:03 am

Your employer may participate in Microsoft's Home Use Program, which allows for employees to purchase an Office 365 subscription at a 30% discount.

Check it out as it may help sway which direction you choose.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/home-us ... -questions

Also, Microsoft just announced their "Money in Excel" feature, which allows you to more easily import your 3rd party financial data.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft ... t-feature/

In my book - subscription is the way to go. (You can even use the trial.)
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Post by Broken Man 1999 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:41 am

FWIW, Costco has a Microsoft365 Family 15 month subscription for $89.99. Good for 6 users.

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Post by squirm » Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:55 am

Broken Man 1999 wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:41 am
FWIW, Costco has a Microsoft365 Family 15 month subscription for $89.99. Good for 6 users.

Broken Man 1999
Thanks for that, I'll tell my sister, she's looking into a MS office subscription.

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Post by hudson » Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:57 am

socialforums2019 wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:07 am
Which license do you use and why?
So what am I missing on why someone would choose subscription over perpetual?
socialforums2019,

I've owned office licenses continually since the beginning. I searched my computer and found licenses for Office 97, 2003, 2007, 2010, and 2013. I got my money's worth out of each. I wanted the newest version so I just bought Microsoft 365 which has the old stuff and some new stuff for $100 per year for 5 licenses. I see that you can get a single yearly license for $70 per year. When I installed it, it added a folder to my Windows 10 PC called "OneDrive"; it's on my hard drive and in the cloud. Any file that I choose to put in that folder backs up the file with every keystroke. It also keeps some previous versions. I don't put sensitive stuff in this folder. I hated the auto backup for a few weeks; now I've warmed up to it.

My grandchildren are whizzes with the free Google word processor. It's amazing in that they can send me an email and I can proofread, or help them with their work while they watch the same file in motion from wherever they are. If I get tired of MS365, I'll just gut it up and go Google.

You can try it free for one month.

Maybe look at the details: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microso ... aprimaryr1

Bottom Line...Why did I change over: I wanted the latest after 7 years with Office 2013. I have a use for all 5 of the licenses. It wasn't a monetary type decision as Office 2013 still worked. I just wanted to move on. I wanted to learn about the latest version. I also have new licenses that work on iPhones, iPads, and for other users under my roof.
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Post by Big Dog » Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:57 am

Broken Man 1999 wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:41 am
FWIW, Costco has a Microsoft365 Family 15 month subscription for $89.99. Good for 6 users.

Broken Man 1999
I get the 2019 perpetual from Costco for a one-time purchase of $129. But it is only for one device, which is fine for our iMac.

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Post by 02nz » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:09 am

squirm wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:55 am
Broken Man 1999 wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:41 am
FWIW, Costco has a Microsoft365 Family 15 month subscription for $89.99. Good for 6 users.

Broken Man 1999
Thanks for that, I'll tell my sister, she's looking into a MS office subscription.
In the past Amazon has run a promo on the 12-month, 6-user 365 subscription for Prime Day and/or Black Friday - $100 which is the regular price, but with a $50 Amazon gift card. I would expect it to return again.

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Post by 02nz » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:11 am

socialforums2019 wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:07 am
Which license do you use and why?

Perpetual license is a one time $149.99 fee vs a subscription fee of $69.99/year. If you're going to own your device for more than 2 years, doesn't it make sense to get pay the one time perpetual license?
If you have any need for cloud storage (OneDrive works great and is well-integrated with Windows 10) or multiple users, 365 is the best value. 6 users for $100/year.

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Post by eye.surgeon » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:14 am

People pay to use office? There are perfectly viable free open source options widely available. I haven't paid to use an office-like product in about 10 years.
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Post by Voltaire2.0 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:33 am

Perpetual.

Generally disinclined to "subscribe" (marketing-speak for enhanced revenue) for software. You can often find good deals for perpetual MS Office licenses if you shop around the internet, especially if you want the home version and are willing to use a version that is a couple years old.

FWIW, I have found that freeware replicas of Office from Google, Open Office, etc. are deficient of features and quirky.

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Post by runner3081 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:42 am

jebmke wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:51 am
runner3081 wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:17 am
If I had to choose, I would do one-time. Heck, I am still running Office 2010 on my laptop.

However, I would not actually pay money for MS Office these days. LibreOffice is what we have on the laptops for my wife and daughter.
I’m still running 2010 also, although increasingly I have migrated to Google docs. This makes my files available on any device.
Same here, it is pretty much all Google now.

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Post by ncbill » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:46 am

runner3081 wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:17 am
If I had to choose, I would do one-time. Heck, I am still running Office 2010 on my laptop.

However, I would not actually pay money for MS Office these days. LibreOffice is what we have on the laptops for my wife and daughter.
Ditto, used to buy student versions for Mac/Windows given our multiple machines, but none of us ever used any advanced features.

So LibreOffice is now on all our machines, configured by default to open any Office & Open Office documents received.

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Post by carolinaman » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:52 am

I am a long time user of Office. I just switched from perpetual 2010 license on desktop PC to subscription license. I use Outlook, Word and Excel a lot for personal use and a small non profit where I serve as treasurer. The subscription appealed to me for multiple licenses. The setup for 2nd and 3rd devices was not simple. IMO, way too complicated for most people. MS support has been good so far. I doubt I would have got that level of support for perpetual but I would not have needed it.

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Post by SB1234 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:57 am

Although I purchased a perpetual license last year when I upgraded my home PC after many years, one benefit for the office 365 could be there money in excel template that's only available with the subscription. It was not available when I purchased last year.

https://templates.office.com/en-us/mone ... tm77948210

Although i haven't used the template I think it can be used to track financial accounts. That might make it worth it if you consider that on a sizeable account you could be paying a lot more in expenses

PS. I tried libre office and I think it's suitable if you use it exclusively but if you interact with excel or other programs to edit sheets on different systems then libre office may not work as well. (It corrupted some of my data when I tried that)

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Post by cheese_breath » Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:04 pm

I use Office 2019 on the PC. Figured it was time to upgrade from 2010 when I replaced my 2012 XP laptop with a new Windows 10 desktop. (*)

(*) Then after I did all that I discovered the thread here that showed me how to upgrade the laptop to Windows 10 free. So now I have two W/10 systems. Keep my private data on the desktop and use the laptop for streaming and non mission critical stuff.
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Post by DetroitRick » Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:32 pm

It's no contest for us - Subscription License for Office 365, for maybe last 7 years.

Reasons: 2 users in household, both heavy users of Excel, Word and OneDrive, occasional user of PowerPoint (just me, actually), and want to get deeper into OneNote soon. Very much prefer subscription model anyway, and definitely prefer Excel and Word over competitors (so far).

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Post by CurlyDave » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:56 pm

Is the perpetual license for one user or for one machine? I.e. what happens when you update the computer?

Comment: I use Office 365 on my Mac -- it is essentially free since DW needs it for the little bit of consulting work she still does and I get one of the 5 pack. If I do not use one of the components for a few weeks, it has to "phone home" for updates before it will open, which can take several minutes. A real inconvenience. Of course we live in a rural environment so our internet is slow.

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Post by Riprap » Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:03 pm

CurlyDave wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:56 pm
Is the perpetual license for one user or for one machine? I.e. what happens when you update the computer?
I'm wondering the same thing. I'm the only one in my household now who uses Excel.

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Post by 02nz » Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:09 pm

Riprap wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:03 pm
CurlyDave wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:56 pm
Is the perpetual license for one user or for one machine? I.e. what happens when you update the computer?
I'm wondering the same thing. I'm the only one in my household now who uses Excel.
One user and I believe one machine for the regular, non-365 version. If you change some components on the computer, you should be fine. If however you replace the whole computer, you'll need to re-activate, which can sometimes involve a call to Microsoft, where you are prompted to type a code from your software and Microsoft gives you another code to type into your computer. A bit of a hassle but less than 10 minutes.

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Post by RudyS » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:37 pm

gtd98765 wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:48 am
socialforums2019 wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:49 am


Quick question, when I save a document in LibreOffice, it looks like it can save as .xlsx file. I haven't tested it, but is this true?
Yes. While the default formats for LibreOffice are Open Document, you can set it to save in MS Office formats like .xlsx by default if you like.
Select Tools/Options/LoadSave/General and pick Spreadsheet as File Type to get to the right place.
I use OpenOffice, seems to work that way too.

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Post by Katietsu » Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:26 am

Office 365 also includes access to a support line for all questions even something as simple as adding a page break. Maybe not helpful to many of us but very useful to the right person.

I tried to switch to Google Docs and Sheets. I do use it for one organization I am involved with so we can all share. But, I struggled with Google products for creating mailing labels - have had to throw away half a sheet of expensive Avery labels because the template did not exactly match. And I have had Excel and Word documents from others that have not completed translated.

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Post by zlandar » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:00 am

I'm still using Office 2007. Unless you need the features with the subscription version I would buy a standalone copy of Office (2007 or later).

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Post by babarock » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:37 am

Office 365 at work. Have moved to LibreOffice at home and have had zero issues.

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Post by sycamore » Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:32 pm

What? No Bogleheads clinging to 30 year old versions of Lotus 123 and WordPerfect? :)

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Post by rich126 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:56 pm

I've avoided the subscription license since I don't need the latest versions. I think I've had 2003, 2011 and 2019 (?). I do some very involved Excel spreadsheets and have no interest/time in trying to get this to work on Numbers or some free version.

The subscription is probably worth a look if you have multiple users.

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Post by cheese_breath » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:10 pm

sycamore wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:32 pm
What? No Bogleheads clinging to 30 year old versions of Lotus 123 and WordPerfect? :)
I think they all upgraded to Symphony.
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Post by wriley4409 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:45 pm

I use this whenever I upgrade - http://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html

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Post by jrbdmb » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:57 pm

cjking wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:30 am
I'm as averse to subscriptions as anyone.

What initially triggered me to reconsider is when I came across new Excel functions/features that are only available in the subscription version. The new XLOOKUP function for example. I didn't even realise then how much better this is than it's predecessors, as it's only recently that I've wanted to do lookups based on two or more criteria, which it can do. Apparently non-subscription versions will never get this, so it looks to me that Microsoft might have a policy of gradually relegating the non-subscription versions of Office.
I'd be surprised if MIcrosoft is able to ditch the standalone non-sub version altogether, as corporate customers have to spend an inordinate amount of time checking out new versions of Office before rolling it out to their workers and would object mightily to a perpetually updated product. (Ex. my company is still on Office 2016, even though Office 2019 has been out for close to two years.)

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Post by crinkles2 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:18 pm

Subscription, as all 5 of our family members need their own login, and onedrive is our defacto backup system as well. Each member gets 1TB cloud storage.

As someone mentioned, still really hard to achieve 1 ecosystem. Google is really handy but I prefer the integration of Microsoft products on laptop and desktop.

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Post by Dyloot » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:28 pm

O365. Pay $12.50 a month for the Business Standard license. It’s a fantastic package of products and services. Love it.

I still use Google Sheets often. Depends on the task.

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Post by Rob5TCP » Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:42 pm

I paid $99.95 for MS Officce 2016 Student and Home and it has all that I need.
Support ends in 5 1/2 years. Since I am the only user, the cost is about $15-$20
per YEAR. Prior to this I had MS Office 2007.

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Post by michaelingp » Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:01 pm

Like others here, I'm still running Office 2010 and have really seen no reason to upgrade. Everything works fine which is pretty amazing for 10 y.o. software. I work with people at all different levels of Office, and they don't seem to have many features I don't have. One issue for us is we use Publisher, which is not included with the normal Office perpetual license, although it looks like you can buy it perpetual for $139. I've tried LibreOffice (although not recently). It would not faithfully render a very complex document that I need to maintain, plus I had problems importing its files into Office in one case. I've used Google apps. They are a little primitive and too tied to the cloud (actually totally tied to the cloud). So, I'm pretty resigned to one day going to Microsoft 365. Really $100 a year for 6 licenses (including Publisher) is not going to break the bank. Unfortunately, I don't have any use for the cloud storage.

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