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getting two buildings painted on the outside. the owner has 3 workers in their 20's. They all seem to be doing a very good job and have a good attitude, half way into a 6 day project. I bought them all lunch once already and the owner mentioned they were able to get two lunches out of it.

so any ideas on an appropriate tip maybe $50 each fro the 3 workers. what about the owner do you tip him or just do a good yelp post, and mention I have one refer all for him already

thanks
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I didn't know tipping painters was a thing. Buying them lunch or running out and offering to bring back coffee seems fine to me.

This will be a 5 page debate here for sure. Every tipping thread becomes one.
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1. Quote job with an appropriate profit margin.
2. Complete job with best possible quality to improve word-of-mouth advertising.
3. Collect quoted payment.

Where does the tip fit in? Please stop perpetuating this dumb practice.
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Tip the owner, are you kidding?

Buying lunch or coffee/drinks is beyond what is expected, but certainly appreciated
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Fresh water and popsicles were offered to my painters. They seemed more than appreciative of the offer.
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I've done pizza once or twice, and that was a huge hit and greatly appreciated. Coffee was also mentioned above, and that's a good idea as well.

But money??? I'm a nice guy and all, but this is not the type of service that I would even consider tipping for.
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I’ve always just provided ice water, lemonade (when the trees are producing), and possibly brownies if it’s not too hot to run the oven. If they’re working inside the house and I’m making coffee for myself, I’ll offer them some.

For some guys that were digging trenches in my yard in 100 degree weather for minimum wage, I bought lunch every day. They were the only ones I’ve ever considered giving a cash tip to.
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Cheez-It Guy wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:07 am 1. Quote job with an appropriate profit margin.
2. Complete job with best possible quality to improve word-of-mouth advertising.
3. Collect quoted payment.

Where does the tip fit in? Please stop perpetuating this dumb practice.
Usually said by folks in their high paid white collar jobs who either never had, or don’t remember, what it was like to work a hard physical job for low pay.
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makingmistakes wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:43 am
Cheez-It Guy wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:07 am 1. Quote job with an appropriate profit margin.
2. Complete job with best possible quality to improve word-of-mouth advertising.
3. Collect quoted payment.

Where does the tip fit in? Please stop perpetuating this dumb practice.
Usually said by folks in their high paid white collar jobs who either never had, or don’t remember, what it was like to work a hard physical job for low pay.
I was doing hard manual labor 8yrs ago (moving company and loading concrete - don't recall ever receiving a tip), my wife 6yrs ago...needless to say, we definitely don't agree with you.
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I used to work construction and was perfectly happy with $20 since very few people tipped. The gesture was more important than the monetary amount. Give the money directly to the employees, not the owner.
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makingmistakes wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:43 am
Cheez-It Guy wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:07 am 1. Quote job with an appropriate profit margin.
2. Complete job with best possible quality to improve word-of-mouth advertising.
3. Collect quoted payment.

Where does the tip fit in? Please stop perpetuating this dumb practice.
Usually said by folks in their high paid white collar jobs who either never had, or don’t remember, what it was like to work a hard physical job for low pay.
I worked roofing from age 16 to about 24, never received nor expected a tip.

I now am an engineer, still don't receive nor expect a tip.

The "low pay" is between the worker(s) and the owner(s) and is where "Step 1: Quote job with an appropriate profit margin" comes in.
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Another vote for no-tip. In Arizona, I leave a large cooler of Powerade, etc for them daily.
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makingmistakes wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:43 am
Cheez-It Guy wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:07 am 1. Quote job with an appropriate profit margin.
2. Complete job with best possible quality to improve word-of-mouth advertising.
3. Collect quoted payment.

Where does the tip fit in? Please stop perpetuating this dumb practice.
Usually said by folks in their high paid white collar jobs who either never had, or don’t remember, what it was like to work a hard physical job for low pay.
I guess that's why I've spent the last few weeks cutting and splitting firewood in the hot and humid Southeast for NO pay. Because I don't understand what hot and hard work is. My regular job requires significant time spent on the manufacturing floor in a textile finishing plant where it can literally be 120 degrees and about 99% humidity. Tipping is still a terrible system.
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I go out of my way to not use services where a tip is customary other than eating at a restaurant just so I don’t have to worry if I tipped enough or to much. Never been tipped in my life and plenty of hard hot humid outdoor work (which I am now thankful for the experience) However, lunch, snacks, drinks etc are very nice above and beyond gestures that we would totally do and have..the dollar amount of something like that is not something that I would then have to fixate on.
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I painted my house last summer and the only tip I got was to drink plenty of fluids.
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Tip the workers if you want, especially if they went out of their way to keep your yard tidy and their trucks out of your way. I probably wouldn't and it's not standard as everyone else has mentioned. Tipping the owner would be very strange indeed.
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I might tip someone doing a one-day job if they went above and beyond the job description. On a hot day, I usually offer people a Gatorade.

I never tip the owner of a business because I expect them to set their rates based on what profit margin they expect.

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lomarica01 wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:59 am getting two buildings painted on the outside. the owner has 3 workers in their 20's. They all seem to be doing a very good job and have a good attitude, half way into a 6 day project. I bought them all lunch once already and the owner mentioned they were able to get two lunches out of it.

so any ideas on an appropriate tip maybe $50 each fro the 3 workers. what about the owner do you tip him or just do a good yelp post, and mention I have one refer all for him already

thanks
Interesting. I never thought to tip the painters. That being said, I appreciate people who show up on time, take pride in what they do and deliver what seems like exceptional service. For that I would pay extra to the person actually doing the work.

As a side note, I once bought bottles of water for some concrete laborers who were dropped off at the site, left all day in 100 degree heat with nothing to eat or drink. As they continued to work into the late afternoon I ordered several pizzas. Right when the pizzas showed up so did their boss. He picked up the guys, and the pizza. Probably dropped off the laborers then called his wife and told her not to make anything because he picked up pizza "on the way home".
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Barsoom wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:26 pm
I never tip the owner of a business because I expect them to set their rates based on what profit margin they expect.

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I've been tipping when I usually wouldn't. The lockdown has affected a lot of people. I have been passing out $10 and $20 bills, and I am usually cheap, cheap, cheap . . . Sometimes so cheap that I embarrass myself

Extraordinary tipping in extraordinary times.
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makingmistakes wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:43 am Usually said by folks in their high paid white collar jobs who either never had, or don’t remember, what it was like to work a hard physical job for low pay.
Every single one of my friends do trade work that's hard physically and they all make significantly more than me...even with a 6 figure white color job.
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I will provide cold drinks and may buy lunch once. I definitely would not tip the owner. For the workers, if they are doing an exceptionally good job, I will likely tip $10 each in your scenario. (From what I have read online, tipping is not expected.)
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ddurrett896 wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:10 pm
makingmistakes wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:43 am Usually said by folks in their high paid white collar jobs who either never had, or don’t remember, what it was like to work a hard physical job for low pay.
Every single one of my friends do trade work that's hard physically and they all make significantly more than me...even with a 6 figure white color job.
I have never understood this. I never talk about how much money I make or ask anyone else what they make. Nobody I know has ever brought this up.
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ddurrett896 wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:10 pm
makingmistakes wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:43 am Usually said by folks in their high paid white collar jobs who either never had, or don’t remember, what it was like to work a hard physical job for low pay.
Every single one of my friends do trade work that's hard physically and they all make significantly more than me...even with a 6 figure white color job.
People tell you how much they make? How odd...

If your friends are skilled tradespeople who own their own established businesses, they might be making decent money, but the original question was about painter grunts working for someone else. I would guess those guys make less than $20/hour, and they probably aren’t getting consistent full time work.
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When I hire someone, I am very particular about the type of work that's done (I range from being "fussy" to being outright annoying), so I generally tip people whose workmanship I like as a way to counter-balance that.
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Wife and i got our painters a couple dozen donuts to enjoy on their last day at our house. I think the painters appreciated the gesture, but unfortunately they didn't touch the donuts and we indulged way too much that night. :oops:
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cs412a wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:00 pm When I hire someone, I am very particular about the type of work that's done (I range from being "fussy" to being outright annoying), so I generally tip people whose workmanship I like as a way to counter-balance that.
I can understand and appreciate this one. I think I am probably the same way. I demand this kind of quality from myself. It's hard to find laborers that take the same pride in their work. Doubly annoying to pay them to do a poor job.
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If u got the means, tip away :sharebeer
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I don’t tip painters, nor plumbers, nor carpenters, nor electricians, nor masons, nor roofers, nor a contractor of any type.

I don’t tip the garbage man, nor the recycling guy, nor the lawn refuse picker upper guy, nor the mailman, nor the UPS man, nor the FedEx man, nor the DHL man, nor the Amazon man.

I don’t tip the people working at McDonalds, Jersey Mikes, Starbucks, Dunkin Donuts, Post Office, Shop Rite, Stop & Shop, Costco, nor the gas station.

I don’t tip the chimney sweep, the piano tuner, the car mechanic, the guy who does the chemicals on my lawn, the person who I hired to remove a tree, the gutter cleaners, nor the person who helps size me for a jacket at the department store.

Where do I tip?

Servers at a sit down restaurant.
Bartenders.
Poolside/beach servers at a resort or club.
Porters at the hotel who handle luggage.
Hotel cleaning staff.
The lady who gives me a drink while I play blackjack in casinos.
The hairdresser.
Valet parking attendant.
Food delivery workers.
Movers and in home delivery workers.
Taxi and ride share drivers.

I think thats it!

Edit:

I forgot I did tip someone out of character for me. We had a Kirby salesman come and give me one of their hour+ demonstrations. It was a kid who had just turned 18. He really was trying and he ended up shampooing the entire area rug in my living room. I liked him so much I gave him $20 because I felt bad I wasn’t giving him a sale. Hard to sell a $1500 vacuum to someone who only has a 9x12 area rug and hardwood or tile everywhere else.
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No.
Don't tip.

Buy lunch. Go get it.
Order take out pizza delivered to jobsite.
Have donuts and snacks passed out for breakfast.
Have cold soda and water available in a large ice chest and have that available for them through the day, leave it on your porch and offer.

But, don't tip as a general rule.
Also, the painters work for the contractor/owner of the company. Be polite to the painters. Interface with the owner. There is a sort of chain of command here.

Your gestures of generosity and "compliment thier work" goes a long way.

Tipping can also be cultural and regional.

I've spent a lot of my life with "bags on" and working with the crews, or on my own in early years. The few times I've been offered a tip, I refused, and most of my peers do also. Lunch is fine. Snacks are great. Sometimes an owner would give a case of beer to the crew but ask me first if it's okay and that's fine. But, not tipping. I think it depends on where and the general climate for tipping.
It can get awkward. Let's say an owner starts tipping a crew. Then the owner starts micro managing some things to be done the way he wants that is not in the job contract. But, some owners are well intentioned. It's just human nature. See?
On the other hand, I know some property owners who tip everyone in sight (He says, "something for lunch", the yardman, the janitor, the painters, etc, and are very sincere about it and people take the money and are fine because it's "for lunch".

Tipping threads are "interesting".
Similar to N95 Mask threads.
and Wearing N95 masks properly.
and buying a boat. . . .
or whether to invest in "international" or not. . . . .

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DaftInvestor wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:02 am I didn't know tipping painters was a thing. Buying them lunch or running out and offering to bring back coffee seems fine to me.

This will be a 5 page debate here for sure. Every tipping thread becomes one.
This is true. There was a 10-page debate about paying $10 for PPE to dentists.

Those guys most likely don't even make ends meet. Thanking them does nothing for them. $50 a piece is decent.
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Tipping contractors what a time to be alive!
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I wouldn't think to tip painters, who make more per hour than a Philadelphia lawyer. But, I have been known to tip people who work hard and hustle. Yesterday, I gave $20 to a kid who delivered a heavy piece of exercise equipment. We had talked about how quiet their business has been. This made me feel better and I think he very much appreciated it. Next week, when the Culligan guy delivers 40 50-pound bags of salt to my basement, he is going to get at least $40. Deserves it for trotting with a bag on each shoulder to make the delivery. We also always provide snacks and cold drinks to landscape workers, etc. in the summer. Also frequently "trade" a cold water bottle for our UPS packages. Both token amounts of cash and thoughtful sustenance are part of the fabric that keeps us together.
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lomarica01 wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:59 am getting two buildings painted on the outside. the owner has 3 workers in their 20's. They all seem to be doing a very good job and have a good attitude, half way into a 6 day project. I bought them all lunch once already and the owner mentioned they were able to get two lunches out of it.

so any ideas on an appropriate tip maybe $50 each fro the 3 workers. what about the owner do you tip him or just do a good yelp post, and mention I have one refer all for him already

thanks
I do not tip, but I would offer the painters water.
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Tip the painter(s)? You've got to be kidding.
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I've never heard of doing that. The only time I might pay extra is if they did something that was way above and beyond the job I agreed to pay for. I'm also not sure how that goes down with the guy in charge.

I obviously understand the dynamic with tipping a waiter or bartender and I tip well, but unless tipping is built into the compensation model, I sort of resent the concept of everyone gets a tip for just doing their job. Then you're the jerk for not giving a Christmas bonus to the guy that reads your gas meter.
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I guess giving workers some refreshments is a kind thing to do..but I would hope anyone working on my property would be smart enough to bring an adequate amount of water to drink during the day.
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Didn't even make it to page 2. Bogleheads, we can do better!
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Cheez-It Guy wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:00 pm Didn't even make it to page 2. Bogleheads, we can do better!
Perhaps tipping painters is not controversial enough. I'm sure threads about tipping your tarot card reader, Edward Jones financial advisor or even our board moderators will bring out the best in opposing viewpoints.

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Cheez-It Guy wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:59 pm
cs412a wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:00 pm When I hire someone, I am very particular about the type of work that's done (I range from being "fussy" to being outright annoying), so I generally tip people whose workmanship I like as a way to counter-balance that.
I can understand and appreciate this one. I think I am probably the same way. I demand this kind of quality from myself. It's hard to find laborers that take the same pride in their work. Doubly annoying to pay them to do a poor job.

Between quality and price, most people will always pick the low price first and quality second. That's why, for example, flying became such an awful experience, most people's one and main concern is cheap price.
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This is another case of the American culture of 'tip everyone' because you feel bad they don't make much money. It starts out with waiters because they make less than minimum wage (and is more often based on looks and guilt than service).

Then you have AAA come out and help you, painters, cable guys, roofers, and you start wondering if you're supposed to tip them. At some point, you're expected to think about how much everyone around you makes, it's exhausting.

I used to be a teacher making less than $2k/month and never got a tip. But I still tipped my hairdresser. Was she making more than me anyway? Who knows. Does it matter?

I once had my car flip over in a horrible storm and the guys (random locals, not AAA) came and helped me get back on the road within 10 minutes. I did give them some money. I was also a little lucky to be alive and uninjured.

Offering water/drinks/lunch for people working hard is definitely a nice touch.
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lomarica01 wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:59 am getting two buildings painted on the outside. the owner has 3 workers in their 20's. They all seem to be doing a very good job and have a good attitude, half way into a 6 day project. I bought them all lunch once already and the owner mentioned they were able to get two lunches out of it.

so any ideas on an appropriate tip maybe $50 each fro the 3 workers. what about the owner do you tip him or just do a good yelp post, and mention I have one refer all for him already

thanks
We signed a $4k contract with a company to paint the exterior of a rental property (3000-ish sqft). They started couple months after the start date stated in the contract (it wasn't a guaranteed date tho). 3 college kids came do the job, only one layer, took 1 week and didn't finish. One kid came back couple months later to finish it for a weekend. When I paid the balance, he said the norm was to tip. We tipped $100, and he said it was too low for a $4k contract. We didn't tip more given that we weren't happy with the work and time taken. (We didn't buy lunches though as we weren't there.)
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lomarica01 wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:59 am getting two buildings painted on the outside. the owner has 3 workers in their 20's. They all seem to be doing a very good job and have a good attitude, half way into a 6 day project. I bought them all lunch once already and the owner mentioned they were able to get two lunches out of it.

so any ideas on an appropriate tip maybe $50 each fro the 3 workers. what about the owner do you tip him or just do a good yelp post, and mention I have one refer all for him already

thanks
Don't be ridiculous. Zero tip. For anyone.
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No tip for contractors. That’s just silly. The bottom line price is what they have factored in for T&M. Maybe a cold beverage and definitely bathroom access as needed. I don’t run no sweatshop.

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Op here
thanks for all the input. I am somewhat surprised at so many of the No Tip at all comments but to give them water or Gatorade instead. Of course they already have a big cooler of drinks and snacks with them every day. I did buy them lunch and the owner said the workers got two lunches out of it.

They will be on day seven of the work this monday and it will be their last day. i am very pleased with their work and attitude so I will give the three young workers something.

Why because they will appreciated it and it might even make their day and it will make me feel good. I guess I am getting more generous as I get older.

best wishes to all
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Wow, these are surprising responses.
Maybe its regional?
Here in Northeast, tipping construction workers/painters etc is pretty standard for excellent work. Not owners.

We just had a complete reno of our main bathroom.
Well known, well regarded business. Big ticket (for us) budget, 30K.
The crew of 3 was superb. Worked long and hard every day to completion. Meticulous attention to detail. Good communication with us as job progressed. Respectful of our home.

I know that all I said should be standard.....but it often isnt.
One week in, we handed the crew chief $200 in twenties and asked him to split with the others. No doubt that he did.
That money was not much to us but seemed to be much appreciated.

To each their own.
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I think $30k is a lot of money. The issue is it's becoming expected for more and more items, and the minimum tip is becoming higher and higher. It used to be 15% minimum, now people say it's 20% (for waiters). After the pandemic, people might say it's 30%. It's a massive guilt-trip. As I previously wrote, we're supposed to tip people because they make less, not because they make less than minimum wage. So we need to keep track of who's making how much and count everyone's money. It's exhausting. I'd rather just pay the price, and if they don't live comfortably enough, they can charge more. I didn't get tips when I was a teacher making $18k/year.

This of course encourages more and more employers not to pay their employees a fair wage if they know the customers will do that for them.
I know that all I said should be standard.....but it often isnt.
The people who don't respect your property shouldn't be hired, and the ones who do should just do their job.
One week in, we handed the crew chief $200 in twenties and asked him to split with the others.
Minor issue I guess, but 200 isn't divisible by 3. Maybe not all deserve an equal tip, who knows.

There is also a difference when someone explicitly asks for a tip. I hired a crew to unload my furniture from my van into my apartment. Took them maybe 20 minutes and I probably spent $150, can't remember exactly. They asked me to tip them at the end. I said I didn't have cash on me (which happened to be true), and they said I could tip online, I said I'd look at it later (I don't think I had internet set up yet either). Asking for a tip like that leaves a sour taste in my mouth, plus they were a little immature, just some kids basically, I recall them making a silly joke about marijuana, etc. In my view, paying $150 for a few minutes of work is not insignificant.
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Re: how much to tip painters

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30K is absolutely alot of money to us. We are slowly upgrading our small lake retirement house we bought 2 years ago after 40+ yr careers.
Roof and HVAC are next.
No way would we recoup the cost of our beautiful new bath if we were to sell.
But we're not selling, this is our forever after home. Happy that we can customize it for our needs (and wants).

$200 not divisible by 3.
Yep, maybe the crew chief kept a few extra bucks for himself. He put up with alot of my OCD requests/demands and probably deserves it.
This tip was obviously a token thank you/recognition of superior work. We could not and would not feel need to "tip" 15 or 20% on a 30K job.

I would never tip someone who asks for it. And have never come across that. That is just absurd.
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Re: how much to tip painters

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stoptothink wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:48 am
makingmistakes wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:43 am
Cheez-It Guy wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:07 am 1. Quote job with an appropriate profit margin.
2. Complete job with best possible quality to improve word-of-mouth advertising.
3. Collect quoted payment.

Where does the tip fit in? Please stop perpetuating this dumb practice.
Usually said by folks in their high paid white collar jobs who either never had, or don’t remember, what it was like to work a hard physical job for low pay.
I was doing hard manual labor 8yrs ago (moving company and loading concrete - don't recall ever receiving a tip), my wife 6yrs ago...needless to say, we definitely don't agree with you.
I certainly tipped the movers who took heavy stuff up to the second floor of my house.
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