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Post by Ykcor » Tue May 12, 2020 8:19 pm

My wife wants one for her birthday. Her fitness classes at her gym are closed and she may not return when opens. Very expensive ($4,200) but we can afford it. She wants the virtual fitness classes like offered with Nordic Track or Peloton. Yes, I know Peloton is not delivering currently with the coronavirus pandemic but suspect that will end soon.

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Post by TallBoy29er » Tue May 12, 2020 8:25 pm

Peloton does have live classes. They went down for a couple weeks, but are now filming 1 class per day from instructors' homes. Not perfect, but pretty nice.

We have had a great experience w the bike, and have friends that love the tread. We have shut down our gym membership as well. The Peloton is a tool in your workout toolbox. An expensive tool, but if you can afford it, a very worthy tool. No regrets.

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Post by decapod10 » Wed May 13, 2020 12:00 am

We just purchased a ProForm Pro 5000, it comes with a 1 year subscription to iFit, which has classes and also virtual hikes/runs (Macchu PIcchu, Hawaii, things like that) and then costs $15 per month or $33 for a family subscription after the trial period. I just got it a week or two ago, so I don't really know if the iFit classes are any good, the treadmill seems fine though. It cost around $1600.
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Post by HEDGEFUNDIE » Wed May 13, 2020 12:02 am

Treadmill or bike? That is the question...

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Post by marshall » Wed May 13, 2020 12:37 am

We chose to purchase a really nice bike (higher quality than Peloton bike) for $1,000 and subscribed to the Peloton App. The first 90 days of the app is free and it costs about $13.00 a month after that. The app is great and I would encourage you to research it before shelling out the $4,200. We use Apple TV to project the Peloton App videos onto our big screen TV. There are other times we just watch TV shows while riding the bike.

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Post by decapod10 » Wed May 13, 2020 12:45 am

marshall wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:37 am
We chose to purchase a really nice bike (higher quality than Peloton bike) for $1,000 and subscribed to the Peloton App. The first 90 days of the app is free and it costs about $13.00 a month after that. The app is great and I would encourage you to research it before shelling out the $4,200. We use Apple TV to project the Peloton App videos onto our big screen TV. There are other times we just watch TV shows while riding the bike.
I don't know how the Peloton system works exactly, but for the ProForm treadmill one slight advantage of using the integrated iFit system is that the settings (incline, speed) adjust automatically during the workout. If you just watch classes on TV/iPad it doesn't do that. I would assume for the Peloton treadmill it would be the same. Of course, the question is whether it's worth the extra cost.

Edit: also I think there are some game elements to it that people like (leaderboards, etc), though not 100% sure
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Post by manatee2005 » Wed May 13, 2020 12:46 am

HEDGEFUNDIE wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:02 am
Treadmill or bike? That is the question...
My urologist said if you're a man, skip the bike, get the treadmill.

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Post by HEDGEFUNDIE » Wed May 13, 2020 12:51 am

manatee2005 wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:46 am
HEDGEFUNDIE wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:02 am
Treadmill or bike? That is the question...
My urologist said if you're a man, skip the bike, get the treadmill.
Would your orthopedic surgeon agree?

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Post by marshall » Wed May 13, 2020 12:53 am

I don't know how the Peloton system works exactly, but for the ProForm treadmill one slight advantage of using the integrated iFit system is that the settings (incline, speed) adjust automatically during the workout. If you just watch classes on TV/iPad it doesn't do that. I would assume for the Peloton treadmill it would be the same. Of course, the question is whether it's worth the extra cost.

Edit: also I think there are some game elements to it that people like (leaderboards, etc), though not 100% sure
If you are highly competitive, the integrated Peloton system works the best (versus the app). This makes it easier for the game elements you referenced. This was not the case for our family. Just looking to burn some calories and stay healthy :happy

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Post by manatee2005 » Wed May 13, 2020 12:53 am

HEDGEFUNDIE wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:51 am
manatee2005 wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:46 am
HEDGEFUNDIE wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:02 am
Treadmill or bike? That is the question...
My urologist said if you're a man, skip the bike, get the treadmill.
Would your orthopedic surgeon agree?
I don't know, don't have one yet :wink: But between a pain in the groin vs the knee or hip, I'd gladly take the pain in the knee and hip.

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Post by phantom0308 » Wed May 13, 2020 1:31 am

Ykcor wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 8:19 pm
My wife wants one for her birthday. Her fitness classes at her gym are closed and she may not return when opens. Very expensive ($4,200) but we can afford it. She wants the virtual fitness classes like offered with Nordic Track or Peloton. Yes, I know Peloton is not delivering currently with the coronavirus pandemic but suspect that will end soon.
I recently researched treadmills and ended up with a Landice L7.
I was specifically avoiding the online classes though.

Most of the research I did pointed to Peloton being a low quality treadmill relative to its price point. The motor is underpowered compared to a similarly priced alternative and the warranty isn’t as good if I remember correctly. Consumer reports and treadmillreview had good reviews. NordicTrack 1750 is rated well and Costco is selling treadmills with 1 year of iFit (online classes) included. Letsrun and runnit also had some forums on the topic.

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Post by goblue100 » Wed May 13, 2020 5:55 am

manatee2005 wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:53 am
HEDGEFUNDIE wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:51 am
manatee2005 wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:46 am
HEDGEFUNDIE wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:02 am
Treadmill or bike? That is the question...
My urologist said if you're a man, skip the bike, get the treadmill.
Would your orthopedic surgeon agree?
I don't know, don't have one yet :wink: But between a pain in the groin vs the knee or hip, I'd gladly take the pain in the knee and hip.
I suppose you are talking about nerve issues in the perineum? Unless you ride exceedingly long hours on an ill fitting seat, it should not be a problem. And much easier on knee's, hips and shins.
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Post by bovineplane » Wed May 13, 2020 8:21 am

phantom0308 wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 1:31 am
I recently researched treadmills and ended up with a Landice L7.
I was specifically avoiding the online classes though.

Most of the research I did pointed to Peloton being a low quality treadmill relative to its price point. The motor is underpowered compared to a similarly priced alternative and the warranty isn’t as good if I remember correctly. Consumer reports and treadmillreview had good reviews. NordicTrack 1750 is rated well and Costco is selling treadmills with 1 year of iFit (online classes) included. Letsrun and runnit also had some forums on the topic.
This is a practical vs brand name decision. Akin to a coach vs LV purse.

I have a Nordic track 2450. I renewed ifit by buying a subscription for 2 years off eBay for less than half the regular price. It is a good treadmill for the money. I can't speak to the Peloton but I can't imagine it is $3k better treadmill.

At the same time, if you can afford it and wifey wants a Peloton then maybe the $3k difference isn't worth buying her an "inferior" less socially acceptable treadmill.

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Post by lazydavid » Wed May 13, 2020 8:37 am

My wife absolutely loves hers, but she doesn't take the classes. Ours replaced a Rebook 8000 that she basically used until it wore out.

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Post by azanon » Wed May 13, 2020 8:56 am

manatee2005 wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:53 am
HEDGEFUNDIE wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:51 am
manatee2005 wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:46 am
HEDGEFUNDIE wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:02 am
Treadmill or bike? That is the question...
My urologist said if you're a man, skip the bike, get the treadmill.
Would your orthopedic surgeon agree?
I don't know, don't have one yet :wink: But between a pain in the groin vs the knee or hip, I'd gladly take the pain in the knee and hip.
I'm so glad my gym doesn't force that choice on me. This is why I use an elliptical. If Peloton doesn't have one yet, they need one IMO.

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Post by Ykcor » Wed May 13, 2020 9:06 am

HEDGEFUNDIE wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:02 am
Treadmill or bike? That is the question...
I would love the bike but my postmenopausal wife read that bike and spine classes do nothing to prevent osteoporosis. Apparently you need axial loading like walking or running.

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Post by Ykcor » Wed May 13, 2020 9:11 am

phantom0308 wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 1:31 am
Ykcor wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 8:19 pm
My wife wants one for her birthday. Her fitness classes at her gym are closed and she may not return when opens. Very expensive ($4,200) but we can afford it. She wants the virtual fitness classes like offered with Nordic Track or Peloton. Yes, I know Peloton is not delivering currently with the coronavirus pandemic but suspect that will end soon.
I recently researched treadmills and ended up with a Landice L7.
I was specifically avoiding the online classes though.

Most of the research I did pointed to Peloton being a low quality treadmill relative to its price point. The motor is underpowered compared to a similarly priced alternative and the warranty isn’t as good if I remember correctly. Consumer reports and treadmillreview had good reviews. NordicTrack 1750 is rated well and Costco is selling treadmills with 1 year of iFit (online classes) included. Letsrun and runnit also had some forums on the topic.
Yes it does bother me that the Peloton only has a 2 HP motot whereas most quality treadmills have a 3HP motor. Also the one year warranty is very short though I suppose with the right credit card I could add on a year.

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Post by Ykcor » Wed May 13, 2020 9:16 am

P.S. Consumer Repots raved about this treadmill like it was the best thing since French Toast. I'm a multi-decades subscriber to CR but I've come to questioning some of their rating of products.

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Post by lazydavid » Wed May 13, 2020 9:51 am

azanon wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 8:56 am
I'm so glad my gym doesn't force that choice on me. This is why I use an elliptical. If Peloton doesn't have one yet, they need one IMO.
And this is why variety is great. I have long legs, so every elliptical I've ever tried absolutely destroys my hips, because the pivot points are all wrong for me. We will likely buy almost anything that Peloton produces (rumor has it that a rower is up next), except an elliptical. :mrgreen:

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Post by azanon » Wed May 13, 2020 10:24 am

lazydavid wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 9:51 am
azanon wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 8:56 am
I'm so glad my gym doesn't force that choice on me. This is why I use an elliptical. If Peloton doesn't have one yet, they need one IMO.
And this is why variety is great. I have long legs, so every elliptical I've ever tried absolutely destroys my hips, because the pivot points are all wrong for me. We will likely buy almost anything that Peloton produces (rumor has it that a rower is up next), except an elliptical. :mrgreen:
I'm surprised a "deep" setting on an elliptical (where the distance is great from top to bottom) doesn't resolve that issue. The one I use at the gym has the ability to vary the depth of movement pretty considerably, maybe even beyond my own body's capability.

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Post by manatee2005 » Wed May 13, 2020 5:36 pm

azanon wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 8:56 am
manatee2005 wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:53 am
HEDGEFUNDIE wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:51 am
manatee2005 wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:46 am
HEDGEFUNDIE wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:02 am
Treadmill or bike? That is the question...
My urologist said if you're a man, skip the bike, get the treadmill.
Would your orthopedic surgeon agree?
I don't know, don't have one yet :wink: But between a pain in the groin vs the knee or hip, I'd gladly take the pain in the knee and hip.
I'm so glad my gym doesn't force that choice on me. This is why I use an elliptical. If Peloton doesn't have one yet, they need one IMO.
I like the elliptical too, lost 40 lbs over a 2 year period thanks to it.

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Post by Beehave » Wed May 13, 2020 5:53 pm

Ykcor wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 9:06 am
HEDGEFUNDIE wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:02 am
Treadmill or bike? That is the question...
I would love the bike but my postmenopausal wife read that bike and spine classes do nothing to prevent osteoporosis. Apparently you need axial loading like walking or running.
Biking and swimming are great exercise. However, for bone health, weight bearing exercise is recommended. Here's a quote from the NIH website:

"Weight-bearing and resistance exercises are the best for your bones. Weight-bearing exercises force you to work against gravity. They include walking, hiking, jogging, climbing stairs, playing tennis, and dancing. Resistance exercises – such as lifting weights – can also strengthen bones. Other exercises such as swimming and bicycling can help build and maintain strong muscles and have excellent cardiovascular benefits, but they are not the best way to exercise your bones."

My own feeling is that it's a good idea to mix different types of exercise (including core) to keep muscles and range of motion in balance.

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Post by Nowizard » Wed May 13, 2020 5:58 pm

The monthly fee for the videos is significant.

Tim

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Post by stoptothink » Wed May 13, 2020 6:40 pm

Nowizard wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 5:58 pm
The monthly fee for the videos is significant.

Tim
I've used the bike and I guess I can kinda sorta see the appeal (if the app was free), but I am clearly not the target customer and I am definitely not one to skimp on exercise equipment (my garage gym costed more than my car new).

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Post by HEDGEFUNDIE » Wed May 13, 2020 6:48 pm

Nowizard wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 5:58 pm
The monthly fee for the videos is significant.

Tim
Same price as Netflix. Better for you.

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Post by JstSomeGuy » Wed May 13, 2020 8:29 pm

marshall wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:37 am
We chose to purchase a really nice bike (higher quality than Peloton bike) for $1,000 and subscribed to the Peloton App. The first 90 days of the app is free and it costs about $13.00 a month after that. The app is great and I would encourage you to research it before shelling out the $4,200. We use Apple TV to project the Peloton App videos onto our big screen TV. There are other times we just watch TV shows while riding the bike.

I'm curious about which bike you chose, marshall, if you don't mind sharing.

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Post by Geronkas » Wed May 13, 2020 9:43 pm

We just bought a Landice 7 with the pro sport console. I did a lot of research before spending $4000 on this treadmill. I bought it because of the lifetime warranty on all parts and it is made in the United States, an indication of quality, in my opinion. Landice is expensive but most of that money is in the treadmill and not fancy technological extras. My DW uses the treadmill everyday for a run/walk combo. I enjoy running outside but have enjoyed running/walking on the Landice 7. We live in hot Phoenix so it is nice having the treadmill for days it is too hot to exercise outside. One thing that discouraged us from buying the Peleton was the recurring fee for classes. We are extremely happy with the Landice 7 despite it’s high cost.

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Post by marshall » Wed May 13, 2020 10:09 pm

I'm curious about which bike you chose, marshall, if you don't mind sharing.
After conducting extensive research, we bought the Sole SB900. It’s a light commercial grade bike with a 48 pound chrome plated flywheel. It’s built like a tank and very smooth. It’s very high quality and does not require bike shoes. We are very happy with the purchase.

https://www.soletreadmills.com/bikes/sb900-sole-bike

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Post by UALflyer » Thu May 14, 2020 7:57 am

Geronkas wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 9:43 pm
We just bought a Landice 7 with the pro sport console. I did a lot of research before spending $4000 on this treadmill. I bought it because of the lifetime warranty on all parts and it is made in the United States, an indication of quality, in my opinion. Landice is expensive but most of that money is in the treadmill and not fancy technological extras. My DW uses the treadmill everyday for a run/walk combo. I enjoy running outside but have enjoyed running/walking on the Landice 7. We live in hot Phoenix so it is nice having the treadmill for days it is too hot to exercise outside. One thing that discouraged us from buying the Peleton was the recurring fee for classes. We are extremely happy with the Landice 7 despite it’s high cost.
The L7 is a great, high quality treadmill, but the belt is only 20" x 58". I suppose it depends on your height and speed, but this amount of money for such a short and narrow belt was a non-starter for me. The L8 has a proper 22" x 63" belt, but is $1K more, which is absurd.

I ended up getting a Sole F80 instead.

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Post by tea_pirate » Thu May 14, 2020 9:19 am

bovineplane wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 8:21 am
At the same time, if you can afford it and wifey wants a Peloton then maybe the $3k difference isn't worth buying her an "inferior" less socially acceptable treadmill.
That's really the gist of it. We have the Peloton bike. In my opinion it's overpriced, though not necessarily overrated. Luckily we had one in our apartment gym so my girlfriend got to ride it for several months to make sure she'd stick with it, but she wanted one for the following reasons:

- Network effect due to some friends already having them. It's definitely partially a status symbol.

- Only form of exercise she's found enjoyable enough to stick with and do regularly. She rides it 5+ times per week. IMO this is where the value is and if having the "inferior" product would reduce motivation to develop healthy exercise habits, then maybe the premium is worth it.

- Gamification aspect. Even if you get a different bike and do the cheaper app subscription, you don't get points, can't track stats/progress and can't compete on the leaderboard with friends/strangers.

My biggest complaint is the poor quality control with respect to factory calibration. I am pretty fit and couldn't even complete a 30 min class by sticking to the middle of the suggested resistance and cadence ranges. I burned out halfway through. Come to find out, our bike was calibrated "too hard." I found this out by turning the resistance knob as far as it would go, and it bottomed out with the brake fully engaged at only 94% resistance. Most people online reported they got 1-2 extra turns from the knob after hitting 100% resistance (as an engineer I disagree that it should be able to move at all at 100%, but according to Peloton that's a valid resistance level). We complained, they sent us a calibration kit, and I got it set up properly.

Anecdotally comparing the feel before and after, I'd say our bike was +15% resistance harder than it should have been. What is supposed to be a flat road (30-35%) felt like a moderate incline (45-50%). I'm absolutely positive there's a bunch of people out there with the opposite issues, whose bikes are calibrated towards the easy side. I just disregard the top of the leaderboard. I'm sure there's quite a few professional cyclists who use Peloton and have genuine numbers, but I think they're dwarfed by the number of people up there with janky miscalibrated bikes.

Not sure if the treadmill has any similar reported issues, but for twice the price I'd be cautious given their history with the bikes. Especially if the treadmill isn't as easily user-serviceable.

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Post by Geronkas » Thu May 14, 2020 1:51 pm

UALflyer,

The Sole F80 is a good quality treadmill, we looked at it during our treadmill research. And you are correct, the Landice L7 does have a smaller belt, and it is recommended for individuals under 6ft 3”; I am nowhere close to that 😀. For anyone over that height, Landice has the L8 with the lager belt.

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Post by DaftInvestor » Thu May 14, 2020 2:29 pm

Geronkas wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 1:51 pm
UALflyer,

The Sole F80 is a good quality treadmill, we looked at it during our treadmill research. And you are correct, the Landice L7 does have a smaller belt, and it is recommended for individuals under 6ft 3”; I am nowhere close to that 😀. For anyone over that height, Landice has the L8 with the lager belt.
I see both Sole and Landis offer a lifetime warranty on the motor - good deal! I've had to replace the motor on my aging Pacemaster Gold-Elite twice (on my dime) followed by replacement of the computer-board - next time anything else goes - I'm done with it and moving on to something else - preferably with a motor warranty. I thought I was doing well as I got many years out of each motor - but if Landis/Sole/others really have motors they stand behind for a lifetime - I'm in.

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Post by lazydavid » Thu May 14, 2020 2:36 pm

DaftInvestor wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 2:29 pm
I see both Sole and Landis offer a lifetime warranty on the motor - good deal! I've had to replace the motor on my aging Pacemaster Gold-Elite twice (on my dime) followed by replacement of the computer-board - next time anything else goes - I'm done with it and moving on to something else - preferably with a motor warranty. I thought I was doing well as I got many years out of each motor - but if Landis/Sole/others really have motors they stand behind for a lifetime - I'm in.
To be fair though, you could very nearly buy three complete Pacemaster Gold Elites (not just the motor) for the price of one Landis L8. If the primary decider there is the warranty (obviously there are other factors too), that's an expensive warranty.

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Post by UALflyer » Thu May 14, 2020 3:22 pm

Geronkas wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 1:51 pm
UALflyer,

The Sole F80 is a good quality treadmill, we looked at it during our treadmill research. And you are correct, the Landice L7 does have a smaller belt, and it is recommended for individuals under 6ft 3”; I am nowhere close to that 😀. For anyone over that height, Landice has the L8 with the lager belt.
The Landice should be significantly more durable and is otherwise a very solid treadmill. So, I am not crapping on it in any way. It just seems insane that the L7 comes with such a narrow and short belt, which is otherwise typically included on budget treadmills (even though nothing about Landice's quality or price is budget).

My point with the belt is that once you've used a wider and longer belt, such as those on the gyms' commercial treadmills, it's something that becomes very noticeable. Even if you aren't very tall, it's really nice not to have to worry about your foot missing the belt on the sides. When I run, if someone says something to me and I turn my head, my foot immediately goes wide, which would be a big problem on the L7's belt. Likewise, a longer belt gives you additional flexibility: sometimes I like running right up against the front (not very good for the treadmill), and sometimes I like being closer to the middle. I can't really do that on a shorter belt.

I cannot imagine that it would cost Landice a lot more to put a 22" x 60" belt on, and it tends to be a pretty desirable feature, so it seems crazy that they don't do it. I guess they want people to pay $1K more for the L8, but that's a very large premium for this feature.

By the way, I am not claiming that the Sole F80 is the best thing since sliced bread. It's a very good treadmill for the money, although, if I was doing it again, I'd pay a little more for the F85 for additional stability or get one of Sole's non-folding treadmills. I like my treadmill, but it's definitely not as solid as the true commercial treadmills at the gyms.

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Post by Geronkas » Thu May 14, 2020 7:12 pm

UALflyer,

In no way do I feel you were crapping the Landice 7. And I can understand your point about the L7’s shorter and narrower belt. So far it has not been a problem for us, and I was definitely not spending another $1000 for the L8; I already feel I violated the Bogleheads code by buying a $4000 treadmill 😀

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Post by Dottie57 » Thu May 14, 2020 7:20 pm

bovineplane wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 8:21 am
phantom0308 wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 1:31 am
I recently researched treadmills and ended up with a Landice L7.
I was specifically avoiding the online classes though.

Most of the research I did pointed to Peloton being a low quality treadmill relative to its price point. The motor is underpowered compared to a similarly priced alternative and the warranty isn’t as good if I remember correctly. Consumer reports and treadmillreview had good reviews. NordicTrack 1750 is rated well and Costco is selling treadmills with 1 year of iFit (online classes) included. Letsrun and runnit also had some forums on the topic.
This is a practical vs brand name decision. Akin to a coach vs LV purse.

I have a Nordic track 2450. I renewed ifit by buying a subscription for 2 years off eBay for less than half the regular price. It is a good treadmill for the money. I can't speak to the Peloton but I can't imagine it is $3k better treadmill.

At the same time, if you can afford it and wifey wants a Peloton then maybe the $3k difference isn't worth buying her an "inferior" less socially acceptable treadmill.
I assume LV is Louis Vuitton. Sigh... I consider Coach to be very expensive.

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Dottie57 wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 7:20 pm

I assume LV is Louis Vuitton. Sigh... I consider Coach to be very expensive.
Correct. And I wasn't saying anything concerning or poor about Coach. The discussion was about quality treadmills. The Nordic track 1750 is a good entry level quality treadmills and still costs $1750. Sole f80 is I recall is $1600-1800. These are the coach purses of treadmills. Quality units but lower range of prices.

$4-6k for a Landice/Peloton is the LV of treadmills.

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Post by CharacterCounts » Thu May 14, 2020 9:38 pm

DaftInvestor wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 2:29 pm
Geronkas wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 1:51 pm
UALflyer,

The Sole F80 is a good quality treadmill, we looked at it during our treadmill research. And you are correct, the Landice L7 does have a smaller belt, and it is recommended for individuals under 6ft 3”; I am nowhere close to that 😀. For anyone over that height, Landice has the L8 with the lager belt.
I see both Sole and Landis offer a lifetime warranty on the motor - good deal! I've had to replace the motor on my aging Pacemaster Gold-Elite twice (on my dime) followed by replacement of the computer-board - next time anything else goes - I'm done with it and moving on to something else - preferably with a motor warranty. I thought I was doing well as I got many years out of each motor - but if Landis/Sole/others really have motors they stand behind for a lifetime - I'm in.
We've used the Landis warranty to replace a motor and the belt over the past 17 years. I've trained for 2 marathons on it and it gets daily use from both my wife and me. At 5'8" no problem with belt size. Highly recommend. Same for LeMond G-Force Recumbent Bike.

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Post by psychoslowmatic » Thu May 14, 2020 11:12 pm

Not sure why Woodway hasn’t been mentioned yet. They’re undoubtably the best and undoubtedly the most expensive treadmills. They’re the Cadillac of treadmills, they cost way more to get you from point A to point A but you’ll go nowhere in style

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Post by tiburblium » Fri May 15, 2020 2:06 am

We have the Sole Fitness TT8 which has been great:

22” wide x 60” long deck
No tie-ins to any subscription video services (a plus in my opinion)
Built like a tank, very stable platform, powerful motor, huge and not foldable (this model is marketed for light commercial use)
power adjust incline and decline
half the cost of the peloton (at time of purchase)

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Post by Go Blue 99 » Fri May 15, 2020 7:44 am

azanon wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 8:56 am
I'm so glad my gym doesn't force that choice on me. This is why I use an elliptical. If Peloton doesn't have one yet, they need one IMO.
My wife and I prefer ellipticals over treadmill and cycle as well. But whenever I do research on buying one for the home, I end up at a bunch of gym forums criticizing them. For whatever reason, it seems like they don't get respect in the home gym world.

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Post by boston85 » Fri May 15, 2020 8:32 am

Ykcor wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 8:19 pm
My wife wants one for her birthday. Her fitness classes at her gym are closed and she may not return when opens. Very expensive ($4,200) but we can afford it. She wants the virtual fitness classes like offered with Nordic Track or Peloton. Yes, I know Peloton is not delivering currently with the coronavirus pandemic but suspect that will end soon.
We have the bike and the tread. Love both of them. Started with the bike since DW used to take Spin classes. After doing some analysis on the cost and breakeven, it was a no brainer for her to drop the actual classes and buy the bike. Especially since 1 bike/tread gets you multiple logins to the Peloton App.

I am more of a runner than cyclist. We used to have a treadmill that we threw out when we moved a year ago. Being in the northeast I wanted to get another one due to cold winters and snow. Being so happy with the Peloton Bike, we decided to get the tread. Again we did some analysis on whether to join a local all encompassing gym that would have been around $300 a month between DW and I. While we technically had access to the whole Peloton library of classes with the bike, by having the Tread too I feel like I can take more advantage of it. I especially like the bootcamp classes for days when I don't feel like doing a full run. You can do 60 minute bootcamp which is around 30 minutes run and 30 minutes strength. Sometimes this is broken out 30/30, other times it is 15 min run, 15 floor, 15 run, 15 floor.

As for the tread quality itself I think it is great. I do a lot of outdoor running, and this tread feels the closest to that from any tread I have tried. It also is lightning fast to respond to speed increases and incline changes. A regular tread may take 10 seconds to come up to speed if you have a big jump. On Peloton it is less than 3 seconds. Very helpful if you are doing interval or speed work.

It is not cheap, which I fully understand, but once the tread is paid off (you can get 0% financing) then my wife and I will only be paying $40 a month for the membership, which beats any gym I can think of. With Peloton subscription, you get all of their classes. Runnign, Cycling, Yoga, Strength, Bootcamp, meditation, HIIT workouts. It is great. To each his own with their opinion of it, but in my opinion it is well worth the money when you think about how much you can get out of it.

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Post by stoptothink » Fri May 15, 2020 8:44 am

psychoslowmatic wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 11:12 pm
Not sure why Woodway hasn’t been mentioned yet. They’re undoubtably the best and undoubtedly the most expensive treadmills. They’re the Cadillac of treadmills, they cost way more to get you from point A to point A but you’ll go nowhere in style
There are now a number of competitors to Woodway in the "treaded" treadmill segment, at a much lower cost.

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Post by RobLyons » Fri May 15, 2020 8:45 am

There is a lot of hype around Peloton these days and if the wife really wants it and the interactive classes then go for it but I actually prefer our Horizon T101 due to the price. The Horizon T101 is about 3 years old and currently sells for $599 at Dick's Sporting Goods, a savings of $3,601. They both do the same job, but no interactive classes and I would give the nod to Peloton for build quality but I cannot justify the price difference.
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Post by stoptothink » Fri May 15, 2020 8:51 am

Ykcor wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 8:19 pm
It is not cheap, which I fully understand, but once the tread is paid off (you can get 0% financing) then my wife and I will only be paying $40 a month for the membership, which beats any gym I can think of. With Peloton subscription, you get all of their classes. Runnign, Cycling, Yoga, Strength, Bootcamp, meditation, HIIT workouts. It is great. To each his own with their opinion of it, but in my opinion it is well worth the money when you think about how much you can get out of it.
$40/month beats any gym you can think of? Every single commercial gym in my area (VASA/Gold's, 24hr Fitness, Planet Fitness) is <$20/month, and every one of them has at least a dozen treadmills that are higher quality than the Peleton and offers a variety of classes.

I definitely understand the appeal of working out at home, I have a garage gym that rivals a small CrossFit box and haven't been a member of a commercial gym for over a decade.

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Post by UALflyer » Fri May 15, 2020 9:16 am

bovineplane wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 9:02 pm
Dottie57 wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 7:20 pm

I assume LV is Louis Vuitton. Sigh... I consider Coach to be very expensive.
Correct. And I wasn't saying anything concerning or poor about Coach. The discussion was about quality treadmills. The Nordic track 1750 is a good entry level quality treadmills and still costs $1750. Sole f80 is I recall is $1600-1800. These are the coach purses of treadmills. Quality units but lower range of prices.

$4-6k for a Landice/Peloton is the LV of treadmills.
Well, this implies that the differences center around the design and the name rather than function and that they'll all otherwise function and last about the same amount of time. When it comes to various treadmills, that's not true.

Sole's F80 treadmill, for instance, comes with a 2 ply belt. All the Landice treadmills come with a much more durable 4 ply belt, which will last way longer. Landice uses 1" thick, self-lubricating decks (although most techs will tell you that it's still a very good idea to lubricate them, which will reduce friction and further extend their lifespan). The Sole F80's deck isn't as durable and is not self-lubricating, so it has to be lubricated regularly. Everything about the Landice treadmills is significantly more durable and solid and will last much longer than the Sole F80 (although Sole's frame, motor and deck come with a lifetime warranty, so you'll only be paying for labor), as it should, as it's so much more expensive.

Peloton's tread is totally different than either of the above. It only comes with a 2hp motor -- even the much cheaper Sole F80 has a 3.5 hp motor. Landice uses a 4 hp motor. At the same load, a 2hp motor will generally run twice as hot as a 4 hp motor, and the hotter a motor runs, the faster it'll burn out. Peloton only includes a 1 year warranty, which is insanely short. With Peloton, its claim to fame has to do with its fantastic classes and is the primary reason that people are willing to pay a premium for Peloton's tread. Otherwise, the specs of its tread and its warranty do not measure up to the competition. If you really want their subscription though, which a lot of people really enjoy, then that's a totally different story. So, Peloton appeals to a totally different category of runners who are looking for something quite different. Personally, I have never used any pre-programmed features on any treadmill and find classes and subscriptions annoying and distracting. I just want my own music and a high quality, responsive treadmill with a wide and long belt that provides solid, non-wobbly feel. So, in my case, even if various subscriptions were included for free, I'd never use them, just like I don't ever use pre-programmed features. Others are the exact opposite and find all the subscriptions fun and enjoyable.

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UALflyer wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 9:16 am
With Peloton, its claim to fame has to do with its fantastic classes and is the primary reason that people are willing to pay a premium for Peloton's tread. Otherwise, the specs of its tread and its warranty do not measure up to the competition. If you really want their subscription though, which a lot of people really enjoy, then that's a totally different story. So, Peloton appeals to a totally different category of runners who are looking for something quite different. Personally, I have never used any pre-programmed features on any treadmill and find classes and subscriptions annoying and distracting. I just want my own music and a high quality, responsive treadmill with a wide and long belt that provides solid, non-wobbly feel. So, in my case, even if various subscriptions were included for free, I'd never use them, just like I don't ever use pre-programmed features. Others are the exact opposite and find all the subscriptions fun and enjoyable.
This totally sums it up. If you are someone who values the interactive classes, then Peleton is a great (probably the best) option, but for the rest of us it makes zero sense. You are paying for the classes, period. Wife and I have both tried our friend's Peleton bike and it is definitely not for me, but she enjoyed it (although she agreed there is no way she'd pay that cost).

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Post by lazydavid » Fri May 15, 2020 9:47 am

UALflyer wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 9:16 am
Peloton's tread is totally different than either of the above. It only comes with a 2hp motor -- even the much cheaper Sole F80 has a 3.5 hp motor. Landice uses a 4 hp motor. At the same load, a 2hp motor will generally run twice as hot as a 4 hp motor, and the hotter a motor runs, the faster it'll burn out.
You keep coming back to the motor, but I don't think it's as big a deal as you make it out to be. running a slat belt across ball bearings requires a great deal less torque than dragging a smooth belt across a smooth surface. About 50% less, if you believe Woodway.

And on that note, the $18,000 Woodway 4Front also comes with a 2 hp motor. Does that mean it's poor quality, because they didn't include a 3 or 4 hp motor?

Also note that a 2hp motor running full-out consumes 24 amps at 115v. The circuit you plug your treadmill into is either 15A or 20A (Many treadmill manuals specify 20A). Motors are generally designed to run at 50-100% of rated output, and operate most efficiently at 60-80% of their rated capacity (efficiency typically peaks at around 75%), so that's 14.4-19.2A. Contrast this with a 4 hp motor. It will pop a 20A breaker at 42% of its rated capacity, which is already below ideal operating conditions. Most of the time it will be running at 20% or less, which is not good for the life of the motor. Perhaps this is why there are so many reports in this thread of the larger Sole and Landis motors needing to be replaced. :twisted:

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Post by UALflyer » Fri May 15, 2020 9:54 am

RobLyons wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 8:45 am
There is a lot of hype around Peloton these days and if the wife really wants it and the interactive classes then go for it but I actually prefer our Horizon T101 due to the price. The Horizon T101 is about 3 years old and currently sells for $599 at Dick's Sporting Goods, a savings of $3,601. They both do the same job, but no interactive classes and I would give the nod to Peloton for build quality but I cannot justify the price difference.
Do you run on yours? To me, it's a fine budget option for walking, but not for running, so it's not a fair comparison. The belt is 20" x 55" and it starts shaking and wobbling at even moderate speeds.

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Post by UALflyer » Fri May 15, 2020 11:28 am

lazydavid wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 9:47 am
You keep coming back to the motor, but I don't think it's as big a deal as you make it out to be. running a slat belt across ball bearings requires a great deal less torque than dragging a smooth belt across a smooth surface. About 50% less, if you believe Woodway.

And on that note, the $18,000 Woodway 4Front also comes with a 2 hp motor. Does that mean it's poor quality, because they didn't include a 3 or 4 hp motor?

Also note that a 2hp motor running full-out consumes 24 amps at 115v. The circuit you plug your treadmill into is either 15A or 20A (Many treadmill manuals specify 20A). Motors are generally designed to run at 50-100% of rated output, and operate most efficiently at 60-80% of their rated capacity (efficiency typically peaks at around 75%), so that's 14.4-19.2A. Contrast this with a 4 hp motor. It will pop a 20A breaker at 42% of its rated capacity, which is already below ideal operating conditions. Most of the time it will be running at 20% or less, which is not good for the life of the motor. Perhaps this is why there are so many reports in this thread of the larger Sole and Landis motors needing to be replaced. :twisted:
These are all good and fair points. I don't know enough about Woodway to say anything about it (my understanding is that it is quite different from a regular treadmill, such that standard rules do not apply), but I don't think you'll find much out there recommending regular treadmills with 2hp motors to runners. See this, for instance: https://www.treadmillreviews.net/treadm ... d-to-know/ or https://treadmill-ratings-reviews.com/t ... ide/#motor or http://www.treadmilltrends.com/horsepower/

Most treadmill techs are likely to tell you that most cases of premature motor failure are caused by excess friction. A ton of home treadmill users don't lubricate their decks/belts regularly, which increases friction and wears out the belt and the motor. There is, of course, also overuse, power surges, etc..., but most treadmill techs will immediately mention lack of maintenance/lubrication as something that they constantly see on home treadmills.
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