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Chrysler Pacifica?

Post by notmyhand » Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:06 pm

Chrysler just announced that it's 2021 Pacifica will come in AWD which adds it to a possibility for my next vehicle. I worry about longevity though - I'm used to buying Hondas/Subarus and keeping them for 10+ years/200,000+ miles with minimal repairs. Has anyone had a Chrysler last for a long time? Anyone have the Pacifica and willing to share the good, bad, ugly?

Thanks!

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Re: Chrysler Pacifica?

Post by Helo80 » Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:23 pm

Why a Pacifica and not an Odyssey?

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Re: Chrysler Pacifica?

Post by Wilmermj » Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:43 pm

Helo80 wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:23 pm
Why a Pacifica and not an Odyssey?
AWD... I have been waiting for Honda to make the odyssey AWD.

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Post by haystd » Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:45 pm

I have a 2012 Grand Caravan, the ancient and cheaper cousin to the Pacifica. It's fine. I knew when i bought it that it might have more issues than a Toyota or Honda. But I gambled that the $7500 cheaper price would more than compensate me for any issues. I won that gamble, it has been problem free.

Is it perfect? Not at all. The Pentastar is a fairly good engine, but likes to rev to build power. The transaxle is programmed for optimal mileage which shifts a bit much for my taste on grades. Otherwise, it has been a solid vehicle and has not needed anything but fluid changes.

Would I buy it (or a Pacifica) again? If I needed a van, probably. Actually, now that I think about it, two of my favorite vehicles were old school Chrysler V-8 rear drive sedans. But that was a different Chrysler, long before Daimler and Fiat.

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Re: Chrysler Pacifica?

Post by notmyhand » Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:47 pm

Helo80 wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:23 pm
Why a Pacifica and not an Odyssey?
Odyssey doesn’t come in AWD and I live on a mile long gravel driveway. My civic can’t make it out in the snow but the Subaru does fine.

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Re: Chrysler Pacifica?

Post by sport » Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:52 pm

What about a Toyota?

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Re: Chrysler Pacifica?

Post by notmyhand » Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:07 pm

sport wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:52 pm
What about a Toyota?
The 2021 Toyota Sienna is the other one on my list but I’m nervous about getting the first year redesign and not super excited about getting the final year of a decade old design. Basically down to the Pacifica to the Sienna right now. I feel like I can probably get the Pacifica for cheaper and I like the features and look a lot more but the reliability is causing me to hesitate.

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Re: Chrysler Pacifica?

Post by tibbitts » Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:13 pm

notmyhand wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:07 pm
sport wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:52 pm
What about a Toyota?
The 2021 Toyota Sienna is the other one on my list but I’m nervous about getting the first year redesign and not super excited about getting the final year of a decade old design. Basically down to the Pacifica to the Sienna right now. I feel like I can probably get the Pacifica for cheaper and I like the features and look a lot more but the reliability is causing me to hesitate.
How about an AWD Transit?

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Re: Chrysler Pacifica?

Post by notmyhand » Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:15 pm

tibbitts wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:13 pm
notmyhand wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:07 pm
sport wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:52 pm
What about a Toyota?
The 2021 Toyota Sienna is the other one on my list but I’m nervous about getting the first year redesign and not super excited about getting the final year of a decade old design. Basically down to the Pacifica to the Sienna right now. I feel like I can probably get the Pacifica for cheaper and I like the features and look a lot more but the reliability is causing me to hesitate.
How about an AWD Transit?
Don’t like the cargo van look unfortunately.

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Post by Cubicle » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:13 am

Final year of a "decade old design" can:

Get a nice $$$ discount.
Have almost no bugs/kinks as they have probably all been found & worked out.

Unless you're dead set against...

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Re: Chrysler Pacifica?

Post by Inframan4712 » Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:20 am

We bought a nearly new 2018 a few months ago. It's the #2 minivan on Edmunds.com. We prefer it to the #1 and #3 because of the StowNGo seats, which are amazing. The convenience cannot be overstated. No idea on reliability.

So quiet and smooth on the highway. Love the lane-keeping and the automatic cruise control. Lowers driving fatigue a lot. Good MPG for a minivan.

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Post by Winston19 » Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:28 am

A first year redesign of a Toyota is probably still going to be more reliable than the Chrysler.

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Post by twarnoldky » Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:29 am

Rumor last week is that 2021 Toyota Sienna will be hybrid - won't have gas only option.

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Post by lazydavid » Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:28 am

From a pure product perspective (design, features, etc), it's by far the best option in the minivan segment. Unfortunately, reliability has not been good at all. Maybe it will get better, I can't say. But I would definitely lease.

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Post by ncbill » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:44 am

lazydavid wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:28 am
From a pure product perspective (design, features, etc), it's by far the best option in the minivan segment. Unfortunately, reliability has not been good at all. Maybe it will get better, I can't say. But I would definitely lease.
Ditto...I've been a regular reader of the Pacifica online forum since it came out...and I love my old Grand Caravan, but based on what I've read I would only lease (not buy) a Pacifica.

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Post by flarf » Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:55 am

I wish the 2021 Pacifica was available today. Driving a diesel X3 right now that is about to be too small and need something that will seat six, and I'm not thrilled with any of the current options. The updated Pacifica appears to have the best combination of space (seating / storage / cargo), capability (AWD), and efficiency (we do mostly highway miles) that I can find.

Hard for me to really make a call on reliability, but honestly I'll be happy if I get five years out of it, at which point I'll probably want something new anyway. We've looked at all the three-row SUVs but the trunks are all too small unless you get into Suburban/Expedition Max territory. The new 2021 Tahoe/Yukon looks interesting, especially with the 3.0 diesel option, but price tag is nearly 2x the Pacifica.

What really needs AWD (and an interior upgrade) is the Metris...

It's a really frustrating class of vehicles, given how relatively little competition there is given the demand for SUVs as an alternative.

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Post by Watty » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:08 pm

I have not followed it, how is Chrysler doing as a business these days?

My main concern would be if there could be problems with the warranty if they get into trouble again.

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Post by finite_difference » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:10 pm

notmyhand wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:47 pm
Helo80 wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:23 pm
Why a Pacifica and not an Odyssey?
Odyssey doesn’t come in AWD and I live on a mile long gravel driveway. My civic can’t make it out in the snow but the Subaru does fine.
Does your civic have snow tires and have you tried reversing out of your driveway?

I would get the hybrid Pacifica, otherwise opt for the Toyota Sienna AWD.
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Post by flarf » Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:09 pm

Watty wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:08 pm
I have not followed it, how is Chrysler doing as a business these days?

My main concern would be if there could be problems with the warranty if they get into trouble again.
Fiat Chrysler Automobiles does over $120 billion in sales a year, makes money, and is merging with Peugeot to become the fourth-largest carmaker in the world. If the company goes out of business during the warranty period, chances are that will be the least of your worries.

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Post by TheGreyingDuke » Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:24 pm

finite_difference wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:10 pm
notmyhand wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:47 pm
Helo80 wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:23 pm
Why a Pacifica and not an Odyssey?
Odyssey doesn’t come in AWD and I live on a mile long gravel driveway. My civic can’t make it out in the snow but the Subaru does fine.
Does your civic have snow tires and have you tried reversing out of your driveway?

I would get the hybrid Pacifica, otherwise opt for the Toyota Sienna AWD.
Mile-long driveway in reverse??
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Post by Jack FFR1846 » Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:27 pm

I've had my Jeep for 6 years. Only problems involved winching myself out of situations I've put myself into.

There are places a snow tire'd Civic cannot go. Such as up my driveway after 6" of snow. All of our cars can easily get through except our Fusion with Dunlop Graspic snow tires. (all our other vehicles are AWD or 4wd with snows) and with over 8" of ground clearance.
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Post by smalliebigs » Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:30 pm

I am biased as I work for FCA. But the Pacifica is a very good minivan. Stow n go, Pentastar engine, AWD, lots of safety features, etc.

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Post by rooms222 » Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:41 pm

To answer your longevity question, my Daughter's 2011 Dodge Avenger is starting to wear out at 220,000 miles. Our Plymouth Voyager was stolen and then sold after theft recovery with 175,000 miles on it.

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Post by 02nz » Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:51 pm

notmyhand wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:06 pm
Chrysler just announced that it's 2021 Pacifica will come in AWD which adds it to a possibility for my next vehicle. I worry about longevity though - I'm used to buying Hondas/Subarus and keeping them for 10+ years/200,000+ miles with minimal repairs. Has anyone had a Chrysler last for a long time? Anyone have the Pacifica and willing to share the good, bad, ugly?

Thanks!
There was another thread recently where someone shared that his very low-rated Fiat 500 (made by the same conglomerate) was reliable.

I'd take a good look at Consumer Reports' reliability data before buying. It's not perfect but probably the best measure of auto reliability available. IIRC the Pacifica got the lowest possible rating.

The Sienna also has AWD.

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Post by smalliebigs » Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:54 pm

rooms222 wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:41 pm
To answer your longevity question, my Daughter's 2011 Dodge Avenger is starting to wear out at 220,000 miles. Our Plymouth Voyager was stolen and then sold after theft recovery with 175,000 miles on it.
I can fully appreciate some of the concerns about reliability of FCA's vehicles, given the checkered past. But we always stress test our vehicles to well beyond the warranty period, as do all other OEMs. Granted, there is always manufacturing variance, but we do our best to prevent paying out during warranty.

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Post by Woodshark » Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:16 pm

Our 1998 Plymouth Grand Voyager is getting too old to take on long trips. It's held up way longer than I thought it would, but it's time for something newer. With the stow & go seats, the comfortable ride and the ability to hold the occasional 4x8 sheet of plywood, The Pacifica fits the bill. It's the only vehicle we are seriously considering. I've been trying to find slightly used Pacifica for sale but it's hard. I'm looking for one to that was owned by and individual and/or coming off lease. Unfortunately, about 95% of what's out there are used rental car fleet vehicles. Something I'm just not comfortable with.

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Post by rooms222 » Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:38 pm

smalliebigs wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:54 pm
rooms222 wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:41 pm
To answer your longevity question, my Daughter's 2011 Dodge Avenger is starting to wear out at 220,000 miles. Our Plymouth Voyager was stolen and then sold after theft recovery with 175,000 miles on it.
I can fully appreciate some of the concerns about reliability of FCA's vehicles, given the checkered past. But we always stress test our vehicles to well beyond the warranty period, as do all other OEMs. Granted, there is always manufacturing variance, but we do our best to prevent paying out during warranty.
Yes, that was my point about Chrysler products. The people that I know that have had them as well as my family, have generally racked up the miles on them.

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Post by UpperNwGuy » Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:47 pm

Helo80 wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:23 pm
Why a Pacifica and not an Odyssey?
My sister has an Odyssey and likes it. When my daughter and her auto mechanic husband needed a mini-van for the kids last year, they looked at both the Pacifica and the Odyssey. My son-in-law quickly gravitated to the Pacifica as the much better value of the two vehicles, so they bought a recent model used Pacifica. They've been extremely happy with it.

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Post by dukeblue219 » Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:56 pm

What about the Subaru Ascent? I have never driven one, but if you have liked Subarus in the past and need third row seating I think it might work.

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Post by orangeandwhite » Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:11 pm

notmyhand wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:06 pm
Chrysler just announced that it's 2021 Pacifica will come in AWD which adds it to a possibility for my next vehicle. I worry about longevity though - I'm used to buying Hondas/Subarus and keeping them for 10+ years/200,000+ miles with minimal repairs. Has anyone had a Chrysler last for a long time? Anyone have the Pacifica and willing to share the good, bad, ugly?

Thanks!
We’ve had the Pacifica Hybrid for two years. It was by far a better value than the competing minivans and has done very well for us. It had one or two bugs to get worked out but these got fixed and it’s been smooth sailing since then.

Online complaints seem to be, at this point, mostly about failed 12V batteries, which are annoying but an easy fix. If you’re concerned about reliability, invest some of the many, many thousands you’d save over Odyssey in a warranty, which you can get for reasonable prices from dealers that sell online.

Odyssey was missing a ton of features that we wanted, and was very expensive. It was also not obvious to me that the reliability was any different. Sienna was just old, and kind of cheap-feeling inside.

I wonder how much you really need AWD. Our van is a ski-trip hauler and does just fine.

Don’t lease a Pacifica. That’s ruinous financially. Buy an ex-rental instead.

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Post by retire57 » Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:18 pm

Following as I am interested in the Pacifica too and have the same concerns as you. In fact, going to test-drive one soon.

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Post by toast0 » Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:23 pm

We've got a mid-2016 (model year 2017) Pacifica. From my experience, I would recommend waiting for at least the second model year. All cars have issues, but this one seems worse than other vehicles we got new. Here's my list of things I remember:

We had an issue within a couple months of delivery where apparently one of the bus cables wasn't making a good connection, and it took an extra long time to figure it out, because there was no service manual for the vehicle at the time. We've had a pretty large number of fiddly things needing repair, including I the passenger side seat back screen twice. The original battery failed after 3 years, and the replacement failed after 4 months; when the battery fails, it doesn't act like other vehicles I've had --- all the interior lights work fine, but then when you try to start it, it doesn't crank at all, and asks to service the transmission.

I'm not a big fan of the transmission in general. Selecting low doesn't offer much engine braking, so going down hills without speeding involves a lot of braking (the discs are nicely sized, though). Also, it occasionally does some pretty hard shifts around 15-20m; this seems to happen more when DW drives, but I don't think she's doing anything wrong. The local dealership service department is always backed up (but the local Ford dealer with the same ownership isn't); and where we used to live was also backed up; I don't know if this is a brand issue or a local issue, but it's frustrating.

All that said, I think we'd buy the same van, it's served our needs pretty well, and stow-n-go seating is super useful when it fits your needs. Ex: road trip to visit family, can bring a bunch of stuff, and then cart everyone around when you get there.

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Post by Northern Flicker » Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:39 pm

I like to buy cars used that have steep depreciation but nonetheless have a good reputation for reliability. A 2-year-old lease return might be a great buy.
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Re: Chrysler Pacifica?

Post by finite_difference » Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:12 pm

TheGreyingDuke wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:24 pm
finite_difference wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:10 pm
notmyhand wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:47 pm
Helo80 wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:23 pm
Why a Pacifica and not an Odyssey?
Odyssey doesn’t come in AWD and I live on a mile long gravel driveway. My civic can’t make it out in the snow but the Subaru does fine.
Does your civic have snow tires and have you tried reversing out of your driveway?

I would get the hybrid Pacifica, otherwise opt for the Toyota Sienna AWD.
Mile-long driveway in reverse??
Shouldn’t be a big deal with a backup camera, plus will keep your driving skills sharp :)
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